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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Swissh: 5:26pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
thorrvik55:I don't have your time so I will just drop this. Swissh: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 5:28pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Ibeme:Are you the only one who does not know that Lampard began to play as a CM in the later years of his career? He played CM for Chelsea for years until he left. Partnering either Ramires or Mikel. https://www.transfermarkt.com/frank-lampard/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/3163/plus/1?saison=&verein=281&liga=&wettbewerb=GB1&pos=&trainer_id= Lampard scored 4 goals as a sub and 2 while starting. Now tell us, if going by your narrative, was Lampard more important as a sub or as a starter? If Lampard was that good at that age to guarantee league win, why did he not win it for Chelsea that season that we were topping the league until Liverpool, and then Manchester City came to overtake us to win the league? Like I said earlier, any manager starting Lampard in his team at that time, and hoping to win league with him is not only sick, but delusional. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 5:44pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
thorrvik55:where will kdb play AM in Belgium when they play two AMs in Hazard and Mertens? Go and check again. He plays CM for both teams with much freedom. He used to play as RAM or Cam for Belgium until he started to play CM for Manchester City, then Martinez came to Belgium and gave him the same role and started the 3-4-3/3-4-2-1. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 5:45pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
thorrvik55:I'm not sure anyone said he should be named among the greatest. People actually said he was a useless defender which is trash. Big trash. Ramos is very good. Lets leave analysis for another day. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibeme: 5:59pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Greatihex: I don't need you to tell me where Lampard played in his last years at Chelsea. It is Chelsea's own stüpidity to push him deep prematurely for the useless shiny new toy of Oscar and yet Lampard was still outproducing Oscar and making key differences where it matters. City allowed him the freedom to make the difference where he does it best, even in the last knockings of his career and he rewarded them with results. What Lampard did in Chelsea, even as a DM was go on scoring runs to secure UCL qualification when needed and topping the Chelsea scoring charts in the process. Despite having the most impotent striker upfront, his goals were crucial to securing UCL qualification. You can check his scoring run under Benitez including the goals against Aston Villa that secured us qualification. Take that Lampard despite another 2 years in his legs and put him infront of Fernandinho and Toure instead of dropping him in with the useless Mikel and Ramires, and what you get is 28 points from 10 starts. Imagine trying to discredit Lampard saying his replacement with Fabregas is what won the league, when Lampard has been carrying Chelsea above their level for the last 2 years with the useless Torres and useless Ramires, Oscar and snail Mikel in midfield. If not for Lampard contribution that period of 2012 to 2014, na 7th or 8th position for sure pass. The introduction of Matic to knock out those 2 useless midfielders and the introduction of Costa to knockout the Spanish Eunuch were key pieces of development to winning the league, so stop creating story that removing Lampard for Fabregas was what won the league. 6 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 6:00pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Leyqute:Henderson has been outstanding this season tbh |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 6:04pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Ibeme:Exactly... He's a leader, His winning mentality is top notch, And he's got balls of steel That's what makes him a great player... Defensively he can be error prone and reckless but he's such an All-rounder that he makes up for his defensive flaws.... 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:08pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Leyqute: Liverpool guys run the media. That is why Henderson is in conversation. If Henderson wins so 3 Liverpool guys win the best player award when they havent even won the league just once |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 6:08pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
nihilistjnr:I will still take a Peak Gerrard over KDB.. Also KDB ain't no box to box midfielder... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 6:10pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Suarez,salah and Van djik... Which players were more impressive than these players individually the seasons they won? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by thorrvik55(m): 6:12pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Swissh: I don't have time too. Let me quickly drop this thorrvik55: 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nitrogen(m): 6:13pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
What goes around comes around o, Na Lampard (Chelsea's legend) dem dry drag for ground like this, wow! Frank Lampard has scored, what a penalty! 8 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:13pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
kendrick93: There is nothing you need a defender to do that Ramos cannot, He is fearless, he gets stuck in, he doesnt run away from contests, he knows when to take the card and he is a winner. You think its easy to play in Madrid defence where Marcelo and Carvajal are upfront with Kroos and Modric shadow marking Its not the type of easy job that VVD does at Liverpool, where Matip, Wijnaldum and Henderson would have done the donkey work and he just cleansup. In Madrid there is no community defending, defenders have to engage, and face a lot of 1 vs 1 Go and see what became of WPOTY Canavaro when he landed in Madrid and had to cover 40yards by himself One season of Terry under AVB he became a joke the thing Ramos has been playign every season. I hope VVD goes to Madrid very soon and we see his traffic warden tactics work in 3 vs 3 situations 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:14pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
kendrick93: What was the reason for VVD winning? Suarez and Salah broke the goal scoring record. Tell why Henderson is even in conversation for the award this season 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nitrogen(m): 6:14pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
kendrick93: You support Liverpool? I don't know why a reasonable person would pick Gerrard over KDB.....peak Gerrard kor, cowbell Steven niii |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:15pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
nitrogen: You know everything in Liverpool to him is superior, that is why VVD is greater than all EPL defenders ever, Even Gerrard 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 6:18pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Liverpool play a very high line, infact this season klopp even tweaked the system to more higher line.... And Van djik is still excelling, he has faced lots of one on ones too...... It's nonsense to imply he Doesn't face 1 on 1. There's nothing defensively that Van djik doesn't Excell in which is why he's currently the Best CB in the world |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:20pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Ibeme:This is totally false. He plays in Madrid a system that doesnt play in low blocks, I have seen Ramos play in a protected system and he even did better than Terry and co Let us see VVD in Madrid where no one does donkey work for him and he has to engage attackers every minute, not the one he will be pointing and giving orders The same impeccable Canavaro in Juventus and Azzuri became a joke when he entered the Madrid system. That is what Ramos has been facing for the past 15yrs of his career 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 6:20pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Ibeme:I was only giving you a taste of your own medicine, since you like to make bogus conclusions. So, whether you like it or not, Chelsea won the league after they chased Lampard away and Manchester City could not win again after they got Lampard. ![]() Now, tell us, how many points did Lampard’s goal get from the 10 starts? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by thorrvik55(m): 6:20pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Greatihex: If u followed the last World cup or Belgium games, u would notice Belgium always used two CM's (Dembele/Witsel at the worldcup) as the duo in front of the defence. Debruyne was given a free role in midfield and he was not playing CM for Belgium. In the 3-4-3/ 3-4-2-1, there are two CM's and then KDB sits in front of them with the license to move higher up or drop deeper and dictate play. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 6:21pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Maybe his fellow professional football players who all voted him know more than you do ..... Just maybe |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 6:23pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
nitrogen:Reasonable ko... Ask any professional player and see their answers.... Or Were you a kid when Stevie was around? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:23pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
kendrick93: Liverpool have 3 hardworking midfielders that do the work and the ball hardly gets to the defence which is why VVD is only able to mop up Can you compare the defensive work of Wijnaldum and Henderson to what Kroos and Modric will do? or the defensive work of Robertson to Marcelo VVD is known to hide from engaging attckers which will not be possible when you have to go 3 vs 3 or 2vs 2 Pep like Klopp play a high line but his defenders face more 1 vs 1 because his midfielders dont put in the type of Defensive work Gini and Henderson does |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:24pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
kendrick93: Ballot paper awards |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 6:25pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
raumdeuter:I've been waiting for someone to say this. Ramos for the last decade or so has played in a Madrid that goes gung-ho from the get-go. Usually with Both fullbacks attacking. He's always having to cover large areas of space by himself. Anyone using Card stats to discredit him is simply being mischievous. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 6:28pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Where were this three hardworking midfielders before VVD joined? How come they couldn't protect matip, skrtel, sakho, Lovren from having the one of worst defences in the league for consecutive seasons... Or does this three hardworking midfielders shine only when VVd is around?? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:29pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Unlimited22: When Madrid plays, Carvajal is in opponent box, Marcelo is in opponent box, Kroos has no defensive bone in his body and just escort attackers, Most times its Ramos, Varane and Casemiro. He is even lucky now that they have Casemiro, before it used to be Khedira and Alonso Go and watch how Madrid turned Canavaro into a basket just after he was named best player in the world, People think because you can play community defence you suddenly become great Look at whenever Man City is under attack how its usually 2 vs 3 with every defender answering his papa name, That is what Ramos has been facing for 15yrs. 9 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Expert17: 6:30pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Greatihex: Lampard was starting against small clubs and regular customers...... Even without Lampard, they will trash those clubs. ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:31pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
kendrick93: Fabinho hasnt joined, Robertson hasnt been discovered, Gini and Henderson were still finding their feet, Salah hasnt been discovered Rather it was Moreno, Clyne, Can etc 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Expert17: 6:32pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
kendrick93: Pls which year was that ![]() Lets know more about the peak Gerrard |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibeme: 6:33pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Greatihex: Check assists and all round contribution also. Last he was seen before he popped his hamstring against Spurs, he had already assisted twice in 28 minutes before his hamstring popped on the way to a 4-1 trashing of Spurs After missing 2 games with injury, Pellegrini declined to return him to starting line up thinking his loan will expire soon, and that's when Chelsea accelerated away from City in the title race. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Expert17: 6:34pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Unlimited22: So Trent alenxander arnold and Robertson don't attack ![]() You guys are joking..... What is the highest assist Carvajal and Marcelo ever produce in a season? |
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