MinorityOpinion:
Everywhere from North to South would be Islam. That what was usman Dan fodio was doing until he was stopped by the British

This is fact.

MinorityOpinion:
Everywhere from North to South would be Islam. That what was usman Dan fodio was doing until he was stopped by the British

This is fact.

oyatz:
You are wrong sir.

1) Uthman Dan Fodio died long before the advent of the British Colonialism.

2) In the S/West,Islam was already being practiced at individual/family levels at least 300 years before Uthman dan Fodio's birth.

3) The Fulani Jihadists southward march to the Atlantic ocean was thwarted by the Ibadan Military power when they defeated the Fulani Jihadists at the 1840 battle of Oshogbo and drove them back to Ilorin.

4) If not for the advent of the British rule, even many indigenous tribes would have amagalmated into powerful forces and rebeled against the Fulani led Emirates to regain their Independence e.g the rebellion of the local people in Ilorin led to the burning of the palace and the subsequent suicide of the Emir MoMA of Ilorin around 1890.

5) Nigeria wouldn't have existed as we know it.

fulaniHERDSman:
Then there wouldn't have been the criminal contraption called Nigeria and all this dubious foreign Religions that were used as colonization tools. Yet Africa would have developed at its own pace and in truth to its self. Corruption that destroyed and is still wrecking Africa would have been minimal as our traditional religions and culture had it in check. The white man created Nigeria fraudulently hence the pervasive corruption. A forced mixture of oil and water. A wicked Concoction of Light and darkness that has refused to blend. A terrible compound formulated by titration of known corrosive acids and other mild chemicals.
Egypt was among the first civilizations without the white man's criminal contribution.

sebali:


I disagree with you sir.
Yes maybe corruption would have being minimal, surely we wouldnt have Islam and Christainity as our major religions but surely we would have being very backwards compared to the rest of the world.
These are my reasons.
1. The black nation had no writing culture. Most race were already written thousands of years ago, black africa relied on Oral narrations.
2. We werent inquisitive, just too comfortable under our skin. Our fore fathers attributed every new phenominum to the Gods. They investigated nothing.....all were the work of the goods.
3. We had resources; made us lazy, and laziness in turn ensures zero growth.
As a fact in history, the man without resource, rules over the man with resources e.g Babylon, Rome, England etc. Europe came to Africa in search of wealth...
4. The average black man including the modern black man is not service oriented, so he fails to contribute to his society; meanifully. He usually thinks inward only.

Regardless of the horrors of colonization, I think Black Africa is better of colonized than being left to grow at her own pace....it would have being a painful, endless, slow growth.

fulaniHERDSman:
Then there wouldn't have been the criminal contraption called Nigeria and all this dubious foreign Religions that were used as colonization tools. Yet Africa would have developed at its own pace and in truth to its self. Corruption that destroyed and is still wrecking Africa would have been minimal as our traditional religions and culture had it in check. The white man created Nigeria fraudulently hence the pervasive corruption. A forced mixture of oil and water. A wicked Concoction of Light and darkness that has refused to blend. A terrible compound formulated by titration of known corrosive acids and other mild chemicals.
Egypt was among the first civilizations without the white man's criminal contribution.

MinorityOpinion:


1. Usman Dan Fodio was much alive in the 19 century. Plus his ideology was more important than him as a person. British came to Nigeria in the 18 century.

2. Islam was practiced but mostly by slaves and travellers and those that practiced did so to collect amulets from mallams. Although your claim is actually true

3. Your no 3 is wrong. The British stop them. What will stop the fulani from asking for reinforcement and then attack again? It only a matter of time.

4. I repeat, no tribes can withstand the Calvary strength of the Fulanis. No one. No tribe in the South.

nijabazaar:


Egypt developed because it is on the crossroads between several civilisations. There was the mesopotamian, persian civilisation . These civilisations made an an impact on Egypt. Any region that has an influx of people will have technical skillset developed. This is what happen to ancient Egyptians. Ever ask yourself why over 5000 years of Egyptian civilisation did not seep down to sub saharan Africa. Why did it end at Nubia? The answer is simple, the Forest Belt

nijabazaar:


You are right.

If not for colonization, Africans would've been like those Amazon tribes we keep hearing about. We would be running around with plenty wives and sacrificing our children to Tree gods so as to ward of chicken pox


I mean look at us in 2020, we are yet to develop technical skills. Note were colonized alongside Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, Malta, Vietnam, India, Brazil, Mexico, UAE, Qatar and the rest

oyatz:
Please read HISTORY and don't just write based on assumptions.


1) Europeans like the Portuguese, Dutch, German and finally the British have been visiting and trading with African Kingdoms in what is now Nigeria since the 15th century AD.
However, political take over of these Kingdoms started after the 1885 Berlin conference on scramle for Africa.

The British officially started colonizing Nigeria around 1900.

2) The Sokoto Caliphate was defeated by the British in 1903 following the capture and assassination of Caliph Attaihiru-1.

*The Ekemeku wars to subdue the people of Ika, Agbor, Aboh,Ogwashu-Ukwu and bring them under British rule ended in 1911.

*The Bini Empire was only defeated by the British in 1897.

*The Bornu Empire under the El-Kanemi Dynasty was conquered by the British around 1901.

3) The Sokoto Caliphate at the peak of it's glory in the 1850s under the leadership of the Fulani Jihadists didn't even cover the whole of Northern Nigeria.

Borno, Yobe, Parts of Bauchi, Taraba, Nassarwa, Benue, Plataeu, Kogi, parts of Niger and parts of Kwara States were NEVER part of the Sokoto Caliphate.

So how did arrive at the assumption that the Fulani Jihadists would have conquered the whole of Nigeria?

4) Again read HISTORY and you will see that the Ibadan Army under the leadership of Balogun Oluyole defeated the Fulani Jihadists at Oshogbo in 1840 and drove them back up North in their failed attempt to move down south.

6) NO EMPIRE REIGN FOREVER.

The Primary reason why the Ibadan Army defeated the Fulani Jihadists was because by 1840s, the Ibadan Army had secured access to the coastal trade through the Ijebu traders and were able to import European firearms which were superior to the Swords, Spears, Bow & Arrows used by the Fulani Calvaries.

If the Ibadan Army could defeate them, other Southern Kingdoms would simply buy massive European weapons to protect themselves and if Warrior-Emperors like Oba Ewuare the Great was on the throne, they could have formed an alliance with a superb Army and even invade the Sokoto Caliphate.

MinorityOpinion:


Starting from no 3. It was only kanem bornu the fulani did not conquer. They conquered all other norther tribe into the middle belt.

Is it yoruba that will stop them? (they are the only tribe in the South that may have little chance to stop them). Other tribes in South had no war experience on the empire scale.

Or igbo or Benin. You're comparing tribes that know nothing about warfare with tribes that have been fight war all their life.

They will conquer everywhere. It will only be matter of time. Army of hundreds of horseriders with swords and spears. No tribes in the South can beat that.

4. They did not defeated them. The fulani simply stop for a time because the cavalry wasn't effective in forest areas and by that time. The Europeans have already given guns to the Ibadans. If British had not interfered, the fulani will attack again.

Your conclusion is as good as mine, no empire reign forever. But you don't understand/underestimate the power of religion. Read about how Romans used religion to hold down the empires and cities they conquered. Nearby example is evident in northern Nigeria.

oyatz:
You are still making the same mistake-FIXED assumptions despite evidence to the contrary.

The Fulani Jihadists conquered several towns and villages in a military March to the Atlantic Ocean until they met the greatest obstacle to that ambition-The Army of Ibadan .

After, years of manueurering and prevarications, the two armies clashed at the famous battle of Oshogbo in 1840 where the Ibadan Army defeated them and pursued them back to their last stronghold- Ilorin,where they had established political power through religion.

It instructive that several battles were actually fought in Oshogbo, Inisha, Okuku (Osun State) and Erin-Ile(Kwara State)

While retreating back to Ilorin, the people of Erin-Ile had destroyed the bridge over a large river (Odo-Otin) which must be crossed to get to the town and move to Offa, Ijagbo before getting to Ilorin.

Many Fulani Jihadists unawared that the brigde had been destroyed rode their horses in calvary retreat and drown in that river- hence the name 'Ogun jalu' mi' meaning 'the war of drowning'.


At this time, THER WAS NO BRITISH COLONIALISM.

Different groups had the right to purchase weapons from the British,French or Portuguese Companies trading along the coast or Arabs/Ottoman Empire from North Africa.

As a matter of fact, many of the weapons used by the Fulani Jihadists Army were 'imported' from North Africa and some of their military commaders were trained in other countries.

The Borno Army actually had military advisers and used guns from the Ottoman Empire, with which they fought off the advancing Fulani Jihadists from Sokoto Caliphate until a truce was reached when it was agreed that Missau, Jamaa're and Azare (all in the present Bauchi State) should be the Western most boundary of Borno Empire.

Before the arrival of the Fulanis, Nguru, Hadeijia, Ringim and even Kano and Katsina were under the suzereinity of the Kanem-Borno Empire.


I repeat, Plateau, Benue, Taraba, Kogi and Nasarawa and parts of Kwara States were NEVER part of the Sokoto Caliphate.

The Fulani Jihadists used to raid these areas for slaves (which the local people resisted) but they were never conquered and incorporated into the Caliphate.

nijabazaar:


You are right.

If not for colonization, Africans would've been like those Amazon tribes we keep hearing about. We would be running around with plenty wives and sacrificing our children to Tree gods so as to ward of chicken pox


I mean look at us in 2020, we are yet to develop technical skills. Note were colonized alongside Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, Malta, Vietnam, India, Brazil, Mexico, UAE, Qatar and the rest

nijabazaar:


Egypt developed because it is on the crossroads between several civilisations. There was the mesopotamian, persian civilisation . These civilisations made an an impact on Egypt. Any region that has an influx of people will have technical skillset developed. This is what happen to ancient Egyptians. Ever ask yourself why over 5000 years of Egyptian civilisation did not seep down to sub saharan Africa. Why did it end at Nubia? The answer is simple, the Forest Belt

MinorityOpinion:


Lets agree to disagree. The Ibadan army base was in forest. The cavalry of fulani couldn't survive and Pls read how the Ibadan used. gun(which is commendable to me) and the battle ended in stalemate.

Fulani sacked oyo empire 18 century, British were already around then.

Other claims I've no enough data to say you're lying but good luck sir.

Are you history student?

MinorityOpinion:
Everywhere from North to South would be Islam. That what was usman Dan fodio was doing until he was stopped by the British

This is fact.

7lives:


Guy your knowledge of history is amazing.
Africa no dey shame.

7lives:


What are you talking about?
This is Egypt.

MichaelDuf:

Trash

7lives:


Africa no dey shame, truth is bitter.

MinorityOpinion:


Lets agree to disagree. The Ibadan army base was in forest. The cavalry of fulani couldn't survive and Pls read how the Ibadan used. gun(which is commendable to me) and the battle ended in stalemate.

Fulani sacked oyo empire 18 century, British were already around then.

Other claims I've no enough data to say you're lying but good luck sir.

Are you history student?