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What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by juneman: 3:04am On May 04, 2020 |
Whilst in deep meditation today, this crossed my mind. What would our society be like if our culture, language and ways of life weren't disrupted by the extraneous factor of colonialism? Wouldn't our language become fully developed to teacher science. Wouldn't we have grown indigenous technology, wouldn't our beliefs and ethos evolved into philosophies that can be adapted into business and self development principles etc. How would our societies look like if they were allowed to evolved independently without the interruption of colonial subjugation. Let us reason together. Intellectual contributions please. |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by fulaniHERDSman(m): 3:15am On May 04, 2020 |
Then there wouldn't have been the criminal contraption called Nigeria and all this dubious foreign Religions that were used as colonization tools. Yet Africa would have developed at its own pace and in truth to its self. Corruption that destroyed and is still wrecking Africa would have been minimal as our traditional religions and culture had it in check. The white man created Nigeria fraudulently hence the pervasive corruption. A forced mixture of oil and water. A wicked Concoction of Light and darkness that has refused to blend. A terrible compound formulated by titration of known corrosive acids and other mild chemicals. Egypt was among the first civilizations without the white man's criminal contribution. 8 Likes |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by Blackfire(m): 3:21am On May 04, 2020 |
Chaos... |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by Nobody: 4:14am On May 04, 2020 |
Everywhere from North to South would be Islam. That what was usman Dan fodio was doing until he was stopped by the British This is fact. 8 Likes |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by oyatz(m): 4:37am On May 04, 2020 |
You are wrong sir. 1) Uthman Dan Fodio died long before the advent of the British Colonialism. 2) In the S/West,Islam was already being practiced at individual/family levels at least 300 years before Uthman dan Fodio's birth. 3) The Fulani Jihadists southward march to the Atlantic ocean was thwarted by the Ibadan Military power when they defeated the Fulani Jihadists at the 1840 battle of Oshogbo and drove them back to Ilorin. 4) If not for the advent of the British rule, even many indigenous tribes would have amagalmated into powerful forces and rebeled against the Fulani led Emirates to regain their Independence e.g the rebellion of the local people in Ilorin led to the burning of the palace and the subsequent suicide of the Emir MoMA of Ilorin around 1890. 5) Nigeria wouldn't have existed as we know it. MinorityOpinion: 3 Likes |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by daroz(m): 6:15am On May 04, 2020 |
MinorityOpinion:Extremely correct 2 Likes |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by dukeprince50: 6:34am On May 04, 2020 |
if we weren't colonized, we would still be practicing some diabolical, fetish things like human sacrifice, killing of twins, we will be so backward u won't believe 7 Likes |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by 2by40ft: 6:47am On May 04, 2020 |
tribal conflicts will never finish and one tribe will have rule over many before it ll b topple by another. But unity will never come |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by Nobody: 7:08am On May 04, 2020 |
oyatz: 1. Usman Dan Fodio was much alive in the 19 century. Plus his ideology was more important than him as a person. British came to Nigeria in the 18 century. 2. Islam was practiced but mostly by slaves and travellers and those that practiced did so to collect amulets from mallams. Although your claim is actually true 3. Your no 3 is wrong. The British stop them. What will stop the fulani from asking for reinforcement and then attack again? It only a matter of time. 4. I repeat, no tribes can withstand the Calvary strength of the Fulanis. No one. No tribe in the South. |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by sebali: 8:04am On May 04, 2020 |
fulaniHERDSman: I disagree with you sir. Yes maybe corruption would have being minimal, surely we wouldnt have Islam and Christainity as our major religions but surely we would have being very backwards compared to the rest of the world. These are my reasons. 1. The black nation had no writing culture. Most race were already written thousands of years ago, black africa relied on Oral narrations. 2. We werent inquisitive, just too comfortable under our skin. Our fore fathers attributed every new phenominum to the Gods. They investigated nothing.....all were the work of the goods. 3. We had resources; made us lazy, and laziness in turn ensures zero growth. As a fact in history, the man without resource, rules over the man with resources e.g Babylon, Rome, England etc. Europe came to Africa in search of wealth... 4. The average black man including the modern black man is not service oriented, so he fails to contribute to his society; meanifully. He usually thinks inward only. Regardless of the horrors of colonization, I think Black Africa is better of colonized than being left to grow at her own pace....it would have being a painful, endless, slow growth. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by nijabazaar: 8:46am On May 04, 2020 |
sebali: You are right. If not for colonization, Africans would've been like those Amazon tribes we keep hearing about. We would be running around with plenty wives and sacrificing our children to Tree gods so as to ward of chicken pox I mean look at us in 2020, we are yet to develop technical skills. Note were colonized alongside Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, Malta, Vietnam, India, Brazil, Mexico, UAE, Qatar and the rest 3 Likes |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by nijabazaar: 8:52am On May 04, 2020 |
fulaniHERDSman: Egypt developed because it is on the crossroads between several civilisations. There was the mesopotamian, persian civilisation . These civilisations made an an impact on Egypt. Any region that has an influx of people will have technical skillset developed. This is what happen to ancient Egyptians. Ever ask yourself why over 5000 years of Egyptian civilisation did not seep down to sub saharan Africa. Why did it end at Nubia? The answer is simple, the Forest Belt 1 Like |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by oyatz(m): 10:59am On May 04, 2020 |
Please read HISTORY and don't just write based on assumptions. 1) Europeans like the Portuguese, Dutch, German and finally the British have been visiting and trading with African Kingdoms in what is now Nigeria since the 15th century AD. However, political take over of these Kingdoms started after the 1885 Berlin conference on scramle for Africa. The British officially started colonizing Nigeria around 1900. 2) The Sokoto Caliphate was defeated by the British in 1903 following the capture and assassination of Caliph Attaihiru-1. *The Ekemeku wars to subdue the people of Ika, Agbor, Aboh,Ogwashu-Ukwu and bring them under British rule ended in 1911. *The Bini Empire was only defeated by the British in 1897. *The Bornu Empire under the El-Kanemi Dynasty was conquered by the British around 1901. 3) The Sokoto Caliphate at the peak of it's glory in the 1850s under the leadership of the Fulani Jihadists didn't even cover the whole of Northern Nigeria. Borno, Yobe, Parts of Bauchi, Taraba, Nassarwa, Benue, Plataeu, Kogi, parts of Niger and parts of Kwara States were NEVER part of the Sokoto Caliphate. So how did arrive at the assumption that the Fulani Jihadists would have conquered the whole of Nigeria? 4) Again read HISTORY and you will see that the Ibadan Army under the leadership of Balogun Oluyole defeated the Fulani Jihadists at Oshogbo in 1840 and drove them back up North in their failed attempt to move down south. 6) NO EMPIRE REIGN FOREVER. The Primary reason why the Ibadan Army defeated the Fulani Jihadists was because by 1840s, the Ibadan Army had secured access to the coastal trade through the Ijebu traders and were able to import European firearms which were superior to the Swords, Spears, Bow & Arrows used by the Fulani Calvaries. If the Ibadan Army could defeate them, other Southern Kingdoms would simply buy massive European weapons to protect themselves and if Warrior-Emperors like Oba Ewuare the Great was on the throne, they could have formed an alliance with a superb Army and even invade the Sokoto Caliphate. MinorityOpinion: 6 Likes |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by Horus(m): 11:05am On May 04, 2020 |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by oyatz(m): 11:07am On May 04, 2020 |
I think you meant to write the SAHARA DESERT in your last line in this post. nijabazaar: 1 Like |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by oyatz(m): 11:19am On May 04, 2020 |
Ethiopia was not colonized and they aren't running around with leaves tied around their waists sacrificing their children. CHANGE was inevitable especially with interractions with the rest of the World. True modern African Nations would have emerged. nijabazaar: |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by Nobody: 11:31am On May 04, 2020 |
oyatz: Starting from no 3. It was only kanem bornu the fulani did not conquer. They conquered all other norther tribe into the middle belt. Is it yoruba that will stop them? (they are the only tribe in the South that may have little chance to stop them). Other tribes in South had no war experience on the empire scale. Or igbo or Benin. You're comparing tribes that know nothing about warfare with tribes that have been fight war all their life. They will conquer everywhere. It will only be matter of time. Army of hundreds of horseriders with swords and spears. No tribes in the South can beat that. 4. They did not defeated them. The fulani simply stop for a time because the cavalry wasn't effective in forest areas and by that time. The Europeans have already given guns to the Ibadans. If British had not interfered, the fulani will attack again. Your conclusion is as good as mine, no empire reign forever. But you don't understand/underestimate the power of religion. Read about how Romans used religion to hold down the empires and cities they conquered. Nearby example is evident in northern Nigeria. |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by 2mch(m): 11:39am On May 04, 2020 |
We would have been better off. Colonization and slavery destroyed Africa completely. |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by oyatz(m): 2:11pm On May 04, 2020 |
You are still making the same mistake-FIXED assumptions despite evidence to the contrary. The Fulani Jihadists conquered several towns and villages in a military March to the Atlantic Ocean until they met the greatest obstacle to that ambition-The Army of Ibadan . After, years of manueurering and prevarications, the two armies clashed at the famous battle of Oshogbo in 1840 where the Ibadan Army defeated them and pursued them back to their last stronghold- Ilorin,where they had established political power through religion. It instructive that several battles were actually fought in Oshogbo, Inisha, Okuku (Osun State) and Erin-Ile(Kwara State) While retreating back to Ilorin, the people of Erin-Ile had destroyed the bridge over a large river (Odo-Otin) which must be crossed to get to the town and move to Offa, Ijagbo before getting to Ilorin. Many Fulani Jihadists unawared that the brigde had been destroyed rode their horses in calvary retreat and drown in that river- hence the name 'Ogun jalu' mi' meaning 'the war of drowning'. At this time, THER WAS NO BRITISH COLONIALISM. Different groups had the right to purchase weapons from the British,French or Portuguese Companies trading along the coast or Arabs/Ottoman Empire from North Africa. As a matter of fact, many of the weapons used by the Fulani Jihadists Army were 'imported' from North Africa and some of their military commaders were trained in other countries. The Borno Army actually had military advisers and used guns from the Ottoman Empire, with which they fought off the advancing Fulani Jihadists from Sokoto Caliphate until a truce was reached when it was agreed that Missau, Jamaa're and Azare (all in the present Bauchi State) should be the Western most boundary of Borno Empire. Before the arrival of the Fulanis, Nguru, Hadeijia, Ringim and even Kano and Katsina were under the suzereinity of the Kanem-Borno Empire. I repeat, Plateau, Benue, Taraba, Kogi and Nasarawa and parts of Kwara States were NEVER part of the Sokoto Caliphate. The Fulani Jihadists used to raid these areas for slaves (which the local people resisted) but they were never conquered and incorporated into the Caliphate. MinorityOpinion: 1 Like |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by Nobody: 2:37pm On May 04, 2020 |
oyatz: Lets agree to disagree. The Ibadan army base was in forest. The cavalry of fulani couldn't survive and Pls read how the Ibadan used. gun(which is commendable to me) and the battle ended in stalemate. Fulani sacked oyo empire 18 century, British were already around then. Other claims I've no enough data to say you're lying but good luck sir. Are you history student? |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by Arda1000(m): 3:05pm On May 04, 2020 |
stop being ignorant many indigenous African had writtings groups like Berbers,Igbos,Annangs and many more had writtings..read your history 4 4uck sake 1 Like |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by 7lives: 4:16pm On May 04, 2020 |
nijabazaar: Guy your knowledge of history is amazing. Africa no dey shame. 2 Likes |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by 7lives: 4:19pm On May 04, 2020 |
nijabazaar: What are you talking about? This is Egypt. 1 Like
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Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by oyatz(m): 8:09pm On May 04, 2020 |
I am a Medical Doctor but read wide and enjoy reading HISTORY especially. Many people don't fully understand what happened in the19th century in the area now called Nigeria. Let me break it down in simple ways 1) Uthman dan Fodio was a Fulani cleric in the town of Gobir and an influencial priest in the palace of Sarkin (King) Gobir. The reigning king, Yunfa was Dan Fodio's who feared the growing influence of Dan Fodio may cause the Fulanis to lead a Jihard against his tyrannical reign learning from previous similar Fulani-led Jihard in Neighbouring West African Countries. 2) Sarkin Yunfa expelled Uthman dan Fodio from the town. The cleric went to outskirt of the town and started preaching against the Government of the City-State of Gobir. This led to increased tension and subsequent arrest and harrassment of Dan Fodio's followers. (Similar to Boko Haram Vs Governments of Borno/Nigieria) 3) Dan Fodio escaped into the Savannah, rallied his followers and migrants Fulani clans and declared a Holy war (Jihard) against the Government of Gobir in 1804,just like Abubakar Shekau of Boko Haram is doing against Nigeria today. 4) Before 1804, the Fulani people have been setting down in Hausaland, peacefully co-extisting with their host communities, all United under the banner of Islam. However , even at this stage, the Fulanis were still minority settlers. 5) Uthman dan Fodio, to be fair to him did NOT start a war of conquest but a religious war to topple the Hausa kings and establish Islamic THEOCRACY based on Shari'ah in which any pious Muslim can be elected to lead the Muslim Ummah. 6) Uthman dan Fodio, did not call himself a king, Governor or President but chose the honorific title; Khalifa Rusullah, Amir el-Muslimi (Successor to the messenger of Allah and the leader of the Muslims). He served for 8years and voluntarily retired. MinorityOpinion: 1 Like |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by oyatz(m): 8:44pm On May 04, 2020 |
7) How did the Fulanis, a minority settler population managed to topple several Hausa kings and installed Fulani Emirs? Ans: RELIGION. The Fulanis who have been living with the Hausas before 1804 proclaimed their war, a religious war/revival to purify the practice of Islam in the territories and establish an egalitarian society based on the 'laws of God'. Several Hausa masses , victimized political opponents and all oppressed people supported Dan Fodio's Jihard to topple the Hausa kings. But what happened after the revolution? ![]() This new generation of Fulani leaders were more political than religious and were the people who wanted to expand the frontiers of the Caliphate. The Fulanis simply appointed members of their clans as the 'leaders of the Muslim' |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by oyatz(m): 9:03pm On May 04, 2020 |
9) Taking the Jihard into non-muslims kingdoms encountered unanticipated problems. a) The non-muslims kingdoms of Yoruba, Berom, Anaguta, Tiv, Idoma, Igala, Jukun etc didn't see the Fulanis as compatriots but as foreigners. b) These 'Pagan' Kingdoms didn't see the Fulani Jihadists as any saviours and the Jihard was seen as invasions of their territories rather than any religious revival. These two factors made them to resist the Fulanis. This is the real reasons why the Jihard failed in non-muslim territories. It was NOT because Ibadan was located in the Forest. Southern Kaduna has similar Geographic and Topographic features with other parts of the North but the Jihard failed there because of the same two reasons. 10) What happened in Ilorin is a bit complex and those who didn't read HISTORY often misunderstand it. Ilorin was NEVER invaded let alone conquered. No battle was ever fought in the Town! Afonja, the Governor of the Town and a former General in Oyo Empire wanted to secceed from the Empire. He invited a massive population of Muslims (mostly Fulanis) to his town and raised an Army that will be loyal to him rather than his king, the Alaafin. The secession succeeded and he established his rule as the sovereign head of Ilorin. However, shortly thereafter the Fulanis assassinated him in a palace coup. The Fulani leaders quickly allaigned himself to Sokoto Caliphate for protection and established an Emirate there. |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by MichaelDuf: 9:07pm On May 04, 2020 |
MinorityOpinion: Bull shit. 1 Like |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by MichaelDuf: 9:08pm On May 04, 2020 |
7lives:Trash |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by nijabazaar: 9:19pm On May 04, 2020 |
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Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by 7lives: 9:36pm On May 04, 2020 |
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Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by Nobody: 10:35pm On May 04, 2020 |
7lives:Iswr what happen to arguing with logic? |
Re: What If Africa Was Never Colonized? by oyatz(m): 10:51pm On May 04, 2020 |
I think we need to understand one thing very clearly; * The Fulani Jihard ONLY succeeded in areas with already significant Muslim populations before 1804. * It's difficult to find 4 Non-muslim cities/kingdoms where the Jihard succeeded. * The Jihard did NOT succeed because of any superior skills of the Fulani ethnic groups but largely due to the unifying factor of Islam. * The Jihard failed in Pagan Kingdoms or territories with minority Muslim populations e.g Yorubaland south of Ilorin. Uthman dan Fodio, his brother, Abdullahi Dan Fodio and his son, Sultan Muhammadu Bello were Muslim scholars who knew that it will be challenging trying to establish an Islamic rule over non-muslim populations. They didn't bother to conquer them, they were just raiding these communities for slaves. However, the attempts by their successors/descendants to extend the Caliphate over these non-muslim populations like the Berom, Tiv, Idoma etc led to constant battles, the precursors of the modern day Herders-Farmers clashes on the Plateau, the Benue valley and the rest of the Middle Belt. MinorityOpinion: |
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