Jodera:
Hmmm... You think if Mane is going to Madrid, they won't have a ready replacement or tweak their system not to balance the loss of mane? Of all their players sef, I think it's only mane that'll be likely to move in any club is interested, and since Liverpool isn't a small club, they can easily replace him(probably not with same quality but similar, or changing of system).
Also, the Newcastle of the rich owners, while there's high possibility that'll carry league if things go well, but it'll take at least 3 yrs. Even arsenal sef, with our financial situation might take us longer time before we'll think of league.
Now I'm not saying Liverpool might be this strong again just as they did this present season (losing a match throughout, a scoring plenty goals on average), no. What I'm saying is, they'll be strong enough to win a league title in the next 3-4yrs since most of their players are young, and there's always a possibility of even adding new signings too.
Lol, talking about champions league? That's a knockout competition, anybody can be knocked out, and it's not as if athletico are pushovers too.
Well, we'll watch as it pans out tho, but I believe with this crop of core players and coach, Liverpool will see at least a league, within the next 3-5yrs

Forget the long story, all I'm saying is more teams will get better.

Chelsea will get stronger than they presently are now......Man utd will become tick....Arsenal likewise. City will splash money again and the mid table teams will go to dem French league and pack talents as well.

Some of these top teams will also lay claim to the title along the way. Loserpool is strolling to the league because all these teams are weak now, it will not always be so.

At least we saw it with Leicester.

BlueRayDick:


Forget the long story, all I'm saying is more teams will get better.

Chelsea will get stronger than they presently are now......Man utd will become tick....Arsenal likewise. City will splash money again and the mid table teams will go to dem French league and pack talents as well.

Some of these top teams will also lay claim to the title along the way. Loserpool is strolling to the league because all these teams are weak now, it will not always be so.

At least we saw it with Leicester.

lol... I always laugh wen people call Leicester. We all know Leicester is one-off. Just a year before crowned champions, they were dragging relegation. Before that, they were just coming from relegation. That they carried the league that year is a big miracle, even all the players will attest to the fact they never dreamt of top 4 not to talk of carrying the league.
Also, I'm not saying they will stroll to the league like they did this season... No.
They won't have it easy as they did this season, but they will surely win the league.
Why most of their core players are young and are at their peak, just like the barca team of 2009 then.

Jodera:
lol... I always laugh wen people call Leicester. We all know Leicester is one-off. Just a year before crowned champions, they were dragging relegation. Before that, they were just coming from relegation. That they carried the league that year is a big miracle, even all the players will attest to the fact they never dreamt of top 4 not to talk of carrying the league.
Also, I'm not saying they will stroll to the league like they did this season... No.
They won't have it easy as they did this season, but they will [b]surely[/b]win the league.
Why most of their core players are young and are at their peak, just like the barca team of 2009 then.

The problem I have with Ur post from the onset is the word in bold. How can u claim to be sure they will win the league when the have other resurging top teams to contend with?

I gave the champions league example to point it out to you that nothing is sure. Losperool's form in the EPL and UCL in their run to winning UCL last year was mad. An overly optimistic fan would've bet he's so sure they will at least get to this year's UCL semi finals at least.....We all saw how they ended up.

And talking about young players, it guarantees nothing. Winning the league has to do with u being on the form of Ur live and Ur closest rivals being at their lowest. Fact still remains loserpool has enjoyed good fortune this year with less injuries to their key players unlike their rivals. What u see with loserpool this year is just similar to that season Conte won the EPL with the same starting 11 that played week in week out with Victor Moses and Marcos Alonso being key players. Those things do not happen everyday. Look at Chelsea since that period, have they gotten to that form afterwards?

BlueRayDick:


The problem I have with Ur post from the onset is the word in bold. How can u claim to be sure they will win the league when the have other resurging top teams to contend with?

I gave the champions league example to point it out to you that nothing is sure. Losperool's form in the EPL and UCL in their run to winning UCL last year was mad. An overly optimistic fan would've bet he's so sure they will at least get to this year's UCL semi finals at least.....We all saw how they ended up.

And talking about young players, it guarantees nothing. Winning the league has to do with u being on the form of Ur live and Ur closest rivals being at their lowest. Fact still remains loserpool has enjoyed good fortune this year with less injuries to their key players unlike their rivals. What u see with loserpool this year is just similar to that season Conte won the EPL with the same starting 11 that played week in week out with Victor Moses and Marcos Alonso being key players. Those things do not happen everyday. Look at Chelsea since that period, have they gotten to that form afterwards?

I understand your point, but one thing I do watch out for before making any prediction is process and trend and not a one-off. Chelsea case is a one-off that's why they couldn't replicate it, same as Leicester. Liverpool since appointment of klopp have been on a steady rise before they reached here unlike Chelsea and Leicester. Selling one key player wouldn't hurt them most cos klopp have the backing of the board to always strengthen the area or tweak system (just like how they didn't falter even tho they sold coutinho). Same way man u sold Ronaldo and didn't falter cos most of the core players was still there and fergie have the backing of the board.
And using champions league ouster to feel that they won't be a side to carry league, check man u 2012... They reached final 2011 and exited the group stage in 2012 in one of the weakest group stage to their standard. That still didn't stop them from competing for the league till the last day.

At the bolded, you can't tell me a group of young players together at a top club guarantees nothing? Lol. I don't believe that at all. Man u class of 1992 and barca class of 2009 lay credence to that. As long as they're not disbanded like the Ajax and Dortmund of this world, they'll always go on to be successful cos they'll always have this understanding and synergy of playing together for so many years together.

My point really is not that they'll be walloping teams the way they did this season, but even if they'll crawl to carry the league, I see them doing that cos they've team to do that and they're also young, hungry and motivated.

Jodera:
I understand your point, but one thing I do watch out for before making any prediction is process and trend and not a one-off. Chelsea case is a one-off that's why they couldn't replicate it, same as Leicester. Liverpool since appointment of klopp have been on a steady rise before they reached here unlike Chelsea and Leicester. Selling one key player wouldn't hurt them most cos klopp have the backing of the board to always strengthen the area or tweak system (just like how they didn't falter even tho they sold coutinho). Same way man u sold Ronaldo and didn't falter cos most of the core players was still there and fergie have the backing of the board.
And using champions league ouster to feel that they won't be a side to carry league, check man u 2012... They reached final 2011 and exited the group stage in 2012 in one of the weakest group stage to their standard. That still didn't stop them from competing for the league till the last day.

At the bolded, you can't tell me a group of young players together at a top club guarantees nothing? Lol. I don't believe that at all. Man u class of 1992 and barca class of 2009 lay credence to that. As long as they're not disbanded like the Ajax and Dortmund of this world, they'll always go on to be successful cos they'll always have this understanding and synergy of playing together for so many years together.

My point really is not that they'll be walloping teams the way they did this season, but even if they'll crawl to carry the league, I see them doing that cos they've team to do that and they're also young, hungry and motivated.

The problem with Ur assumptions is u keep isolating Loserpool like they will be the only team in good form.

I already pointed it out to u, injury to key Players will make them lose points. Other teams will get better. Man utd is 2 to 3 players from being a title contender. Even loserpool in their current form find it difficult defeating Man utd.

I know u understand what I'm saying, u are just being carried away with the present form of loserpool. We all know form is temporary. Fatigue will set in, some players will depart and some eseential players will get injured.....Even Nations cup will take away key players like Mane, Sallah.

Saying Mane's departure will not set them back is u underestimating his contribution to run to the league leadership. At least We can take a cue from Suarez's departure and we saw how it set them back.

Talking about youth and Dortmund, shebi u saw how brief their spell was....You saw how Bayern spent money and made all the talks of Dortmund being a force to contend with being a farce. By the way, Loserpool will only act as a stepping stone for those young players. If players like Van Djik and Mane sees an opportunity to join Barca and Madrid they will jump ship and that dream of loserpool winning another league in 3 to 4 years will be a tall dream honestly.

BlueRayDick:


The problem with Ur assumptions is u keep isolating Loserpool like they will be the only team in good form.

I already pointed it out to u, injury to key Players will make them lose points. Other teams will get better. Man utd is 2 to 3 players from being a title contender. Even loserpool in their current form find it difficult defeating Man utd.

I know u understand what I'm saying, u are just being carried away with the present form of loserpool. We all know form is temporary. Fatigue will set in, some players will depart and some eseential players will get injured.....Even Nations cup will take away key players like Mane, Sallah.

Saying Mane's departure will not set them back is u underestimating his contribution to run to the league leadership. At least We can take a cue from Suarez's departure and we saw how it set them back.

Talking about youth and Dortmund, shebi u saw how brief their spell was....You saw how Bayern spent money and made all the talks of Dortmund being a force to contend with being a farce. By the way, Loserpool will only act as a stepping stone for those young players. If players like Van Djik and Mane sees an opportunity to join Barca and Madrid they will jump ship and that dream of loserpool winning another league in 3 to 4 years will be a tall dream honestly.

OK.. Where should I start from? OK, lemme start with Dortmund.
If you're following the trend of Dortmund, you'll know why Bayern had it easy was not that they only strengthened, but their rival was really weakened. Sale of gotze, sahin, gundogan, lewy, kagawa, will leave even the strongest of teams weak. You can't do that to the present Liverpool now, cos the only 2 teams that might considerably lure them is barca and Madrid. Aside that, it'll be difficult for teams to poach Liverpool players.

Talking about Suarez departure, why I agree with you on that, you should know that season Suarez mostly carried them, as others were mostly average (except of course coutinho). Sturridge tho had a great season, but is an average player at best. Sterling too was an average player too there(tho he tried that season too). Gerrard was already old and past his prime, and the keeper, defence and midfield was average. So removing Suarez off that team make them go back to square one. I hope you get my drift here.

Now to the injury and losing form part. Why I'm not denying they won't have such issues, but so is other 19 teams. In terms of strengthening also, they've the capacity also to strengthen. In fact, with this pandemic issue, most team will not spend like the way they intended spending before. Well, we'll watch and see how it pans out

Jodera:
OK.. Where should I start from? OK, lemme start with Dortmund.
If you're following the trend of Dortmund, you'll know why Bayern had it easy was not that they only strengthened, but their rival was really weakened. Sale of gotze, sahin, gundogan, lewy, kagawa, will leave even the strongest of teams weak. You can't do that to the present Liverpool now, cos the only 2 teams that might considerably lure them is barca and Madrid. Aside that, it'll be difficult for teams to poach Liverpool players.

Talking about Suarez departure, why I agree with you on that, you should know that season Suarez mostly carried them, as others were mostly average (except of course coutinho). Sturridge tho had a great season, but is an average player at best. Sterling too was an average player too there(tho he tried that season too). Gerrard was already old and past his prime, and the keeper, defence and midfield was average. So removing Suarez off that team make them go back to square one. I hope you get my drift here.

Now to the injury and losing form part. Why I'm not denying they won't have such issues, but so is other 19 teams. In terms of strengthening also, they've the capacity also to strengthen. In fact, with this lands issue, most team will not spend like the way they intended spending before. Well, we'll watch and see how it pans out

Alright, let's watch and see how it works out

BlueRayDick:


Alright, let's watch and see how it works out

alright bro.

Jodera:
Hmmm... You think if Mane is going to Madrid, they won't have a ready replacement or tweak their system not to balance the loss of mane? Of all their players sef, I think it's only mane that'll be likely to move in any club is interested, and since Liverpool isn't a small club, they can easily replace him(probably not with same quality but similar, or changing of system).
Also, the Newcastle of the rich owners, while there's high possibility that'll carry league if things go well, but it'll take at least 3 yrs. Even arsenal sef, with our financial situation might take us longer time before we'll think of league.
Now I'm not saying Liverpool might be this strong again just as they did this present season (losing a match throughout, a scoring plenty goals on average), no. What I'm saying is, they'll be strong enough to win a league title in the next 3-4yrs since most of their players are young, and there's always a possibility of even adding new signings too.
Lol, talking about champions league? That's a knockout competition, anybody can be knocked out, and it's not as if athletico are pushovers too.
Well, we'll watch as it pans out tho, but I believe with this crop of core players and coach, Liverpool will see at least a league, within the next 3-5yrs

They think this current Liverpool is like Arsenal who will fail to replace with quality players for 15yrs. Liverpool will spend, and this their present scout are good at getting the Klopp kinda players. You're right, Liverpool are on a solid platform that'll enable them be a worthy strong contender of the League title for the next 5yrs.

The current crop of players will not easily be swayed because Liverpool are arguably the biggest club in English football history, European and world champions, Anfield and everything the Madrid and barcas can offer.

Fkhalifa:

They think this current Liverpool is like Arsenal who will fail to replace with quality players for 15yrs. Liverpool will spend, and this their present scout are good at getting the Klopp kinda players. You're right, Liverpool are on a solid platform that'll enable them be a worthy strong contender of the League title for the next 5yrs.

The current crop of players will not easily be swayed because Liverpool are arguably the biggest club in English football history, European and world champions, Anfield and everything the Madrid and barcas can offer.

Well said. If others are improving, Liverpool will also improve, they won't have it easy maybe winning the league next time, but they're very very strong favorite and I do see them winning within 3-5yrs.
All what you said is spot on

Jodera:
Well said. If others are improving, Liverpool will also improve, they won't have it easy maybe winning the league next time, but they're very very strong favorite and I do see them winning within 3-5yrs.
All what you said is spot on

Liverpool and Man city have built a strong camp, they'll boss English football for the next 4/5yrs, except they go into deep crisis.
They don't sell thier best players anyhow and they know how to get players who suit their system coupled with having lots of players in their quality prime.

Arsenal's case is scary, should Auba be sold, we may not replace him for 8 years, All these:
Loan option to buy Denis Suarez

Loan with no buy out clause..Ceballos

Newly signed but injury crisis.. Tierney,kalstroom and Cedric

Old rejected players like Luiz,Litchner,Williams

And emergency big signing to appease the fans like Ozil and Pepe.

If we don't Change from this approach ehn, we are destined for 5th/6th/7th/8th irrespective of the coaches you hire or sack.

Fkhalifa:

Liverpool and Man city have built a strong camp, they'll boss English football for the next 4/5yrs, except they go into deep crisis.
They don't sell thier best players anyhow and they know how to get players who suit their system coupled with having lots of players in their quality prime.

Arsenal's case is scary, should Auba be sold, we may not replace him for 8 years, All these:
Loan option to buy Denis Suarez

Loan with no buy out clause..Ceballos

Newly signed but injury crisis.. Tierney,kalstroom and Cedric

Old rejected players like Luiz,Litchner,Williams

And emergency big signing to appease the fans like Ozil and Pepe.

If we don't Change from this approach ehn, we are destined for 5th/6th/7th/8th irrespective of the coaches you hire or sack.

With this pandemic, the way things are and how it might affect the market, Liverpool and man city will be the ones that are strong enough. Man u are almost there(I think just 2-3 missing link needed). Also, if we might include the latest richest team in town. Those might give Liverpool and man city run for their money. The TV rights this year will be low. Even ticket sales too will be low, so I'm thinking those that wants to strengthen (like my darling arsenal), how will they do such wen the financial budget will be low?
Well we'll just be watching sha!

Also, I feel with Arteta and those at the helm, with smart moves and transfer, we'll get it right

https://www.nairaland.com/5838766/arsenal-may-sell-up-six

Sell auba, lacazette, ozil, mustafi, papa, Amn, el neny and mhki
Buy partey, Luka jovic,Mari, soares, ozil replacement (forsberg/grealish or guendouzi and Emile smith should take over)
We have nothing to lose let the hungry young players fight for what they want after all no Europe next season and the big players listed won't like that.
We should be good next season
Gradually we send away our high earners and rebuild in process

iamoyindamola:
https://www.nairaland.com/5838766/arsenal-may-sell-up-six

Sell auba, lacazette, ozil, mustafi, papa, Amn, el neny and mhki
Buy partey, Luka jovic,Mari, soares, ozil replacement (forsberg/grealish or guendouzi and Emile smith should take over)
We have nothing to lose let the hungry young players fight for what they want after all no Europe next season and the big players listed won't like that.
We should be good next season
Gradually we send away our high earners and rebuild in process

See your club

Victornezzar:

See your club

What happened to her

Six players for one player wen no deliver

iamoyindamola:
https://www.nairaland.com/5838766/arsenal-may-sell-up-six

Sell auba, lacazette, ozil, mustafi, papa, Amn, el neny and mhki
Buy partey, Luka jovic,Mari, soares, ozil replacement (forsberg/grealish or guendouzi and Emile smith should take over)
We have nothing to lose let the hungry young players fight for what they want after all no Europe next season and the big players listed won't like that.
We should be good next season
Gradually we send away our high earners and rebuild in process

guen or ESR to replace ozil.
Well, I dunno, but I feel you're trolling!

Jodera:
guen or ESR to replace ozil.
Well, I dunno, but I feel you're trolling!

Bros no money we are rebuilding and most importantly we have nothing to lose we ain't a big club anymore

iamoyindamola:
https://www.nairaland.com/5838766/arsenal-may-sell-up-six

Sell auba, lacazette, ozil, mustafi, papa, Amn, el neny and mhki
Buy partey, Luka jovic,Mari, soares, ozil replacement (forsberg/grealish or guendouzi and Emile smith should take over)
We have nothing to lose let the hungry young players fight for what they want after all no Europe next season and the big players listed won't like that.
We should be good next season
Gradually we send away our high earners and rebuild in process

We wanted to sell of Mustafi,Elneny,Michky and to some extent Ozil, but you know no team deem them fit to pay anything substantial for them( that shows the level we are)Only Iwobi was. How sure are you going to see buyers this time around?
Guen is no AM, Rowe is not ready and Arsenal won't splash the cash, we will take 4 years to recover from Pepe's fee.

So let's enjoy our loan option to buys, old singings like Luiz,Papa and Williams and youngsters. I.e 5th,6th, 7th with no trophy and UCL football for the next 5 years. That's the reality.

Fkhalifa:

We wanted to sell of Mustafi,Elneny,Michky and to some extent Ozil, but you know no team deem them fit to pay anything substantial for them( that shows the level we are)Only Iwobi was. How sure are you going to see buyers this time around?
Guen is no AM, Rowe is not ready and Arsenal won't splash the cash, we will take 4 years to recover from Pepe's fee.

So let's enjoy our loan option to buys, old singings like Luiz,Papa and Williams and youngsters. I.e 5th,6th, 7th with no trophy and UCL football for the next 5 years. That's the reality.

Fenebache can buy ozil if he will collect pay cut

iamoyindamola:

Bros no money we are rebuilding and most importantly we have nothing to lose we ain't a big club anymore

lol... I know we're rebuilding, but I believe we should rebuild with sense. Guen can never play ozil's role (at least he shown he can't), and ESR is still too young for it. He's shown he's not yet ready.
If I'm to advice, I'll say if we're to get a young 10, let's go to all these Spanish or german academy, we'll see one or 10s that'll be ready. Even Brazil sef, 10 fit dey.
Keeping auba for a year, and grooming nketiah and martinelli for that 9 spot, while saka will be an understudy for that wing role. So by end of next season, wen auba will be free, we'll have saka as a replacement. If ceb wants to go to Madrid, then we look for a replacement (or torreira and guen can hustle for his position). If we can get partey, then fine.

Leno
Bellerin. Saliba(luiz). Mari(holding, chambers), Tierney


Partey(xhaka), ceb* (torreira, guen)
A number 10


Pepe. Martinelli (nketiah). Auba(saka).

With that lineup, we'll need a lot of understudy esp if one or two goes into injury. That's the only we I feel we can compete.

Jodera:
lol... I know we're rebuilding, but I believe we should rebuild with sense. Guen can never play ozil's role (at least he shown he can't), and ESR is still too young for it. He's shown he's not yet ready.
If I'm to advice, I'll say if we're to get a young 10, let's go to all these Spanish or german academy, we'll see one or 10s that'll be ready. Even Brazil sef, 10 fit dey.
Keeping auba for a year, and grooming nketiah and martinelli for that 9 spot, while saka will be an understudy for that wing role. So by end of next season, wen auba will be free, we'll have saka as a replacement. If ceb wants to go to Madrid, then we look for a replacement (or torreira and guen can hustle for his position). If we can get partey, then fine.

Leno
Bellerin. Saliba(luiz). Mari(holding, chambers), Tierney


Partey(xhaka), ceb* (torreira, guen)
A number 10


Pepe. Martinelli (nketiah). Auba(saka).

With that lineup, we'll need a lot of understudy esp if one or two goes into injury. That's the only we I feel we can compete.

IF we can't get any No 10, I won't mind having Iwobi back

mostob:
IF we can't get any No 10, I won't mind having Iwobi back

Iwobi, though shouldn't have been sold but should not be signed back except he shows the Gnabry form. If the scouts and Arterta are serious with their job, they should be able to fish out a young talented AM with qualities worthy of making if in England.

I will always respect Wenger of early years in this regard, how he scouted Hleb,SagnaRosxc, and host of many others is sumptuous.

I don't subscribe to media hyped expensive players again, just do a low key business, Talented,strong, spirited players not above £20M in their early 20s can do the trick.

Fkhalifa:

Iwobi, though shouldn't have been sold but should not be signed back except he shows the Gnabry form. If the scouts and Arterta are serious with their job, they should be able to fish out a young talented AM with qualities worthy of making if in England.

I will always respect Wenger of early years in this regard, how he scouted Hleb,SagnaRosxc, and host of many others is sumptuous.

I don't subscribe to media hyped expensive players again, just do a low key business, Talented,strong, spirited players not above £20M in their early 20s can do the trick.

I concur.

mostob:
IF we can't get any No 10, I won't mind having Iwobi back

Iwobi ship don sail bro. Moreover, we'll need a 10 that can score from distance and also have the technical vision to create chance for others. At least, iwobi no dey too score.

Fkhalifa:

Iwobi, though shouldn't have been sold but should not be signed back except he shows the Gnabry form. If the scouts and Arterta are serious with their job, they should be able to fish out a young talented AM with qualities worthy of making if in England.

I will always respect Wenger of early years in this regard, how he scouted Hleb,SagnaRosxc, and host of many others is sumptuous.

I don't subscribe to media hyped expensive players again, just do a low key business, Talented,strong, spirited players not above £20M in their early 20s can do the trick.

Exactly! This is the kinda way I want us to go now. At least now, we can hold down our players compared to before, so if they turn out good, then we'll know they can serve us for a long time instead of using us as springboard

Fkhalifa:
I don't subscribe to media hyped expensive players again, just do a low key business, Talented,strong, spirited players not above £20M in their early 20s can do the trick.

that's a very risky model. any big team going this route, especially in this era, is done.

Pepe will never be world class, that doesn't mean the next hyped guy wouldn't be.

ChristineC:
that's a very risky model. any big team going this route, especially in this era, is done.

Pepe will never be world class, that doesn't mean the next hyped guy wouldn't be.

in this present world of crazy market, it's better to put your scout to good work, especially if the said club can hold the player against so called big clubs.
It's not as if you won't buy one or 2 big players, but it should be majorly on the skilled unknown players. Arsene and klopp are good at it. Even your fergie too was good at it. The difference why fergie was successful than those two was because fergie players can't be easily poached unlike the first 2 coaches

Who do you think is the most iconic no.4 in the premier league era?

Jodera:
in this present world of crazy market, it's better to put your scout to good work, especially if the said club can hold the player against so called big clubs.
It's not as if you won't buy one or 2 big players, but it should be majorly on the skilled unknown players. Arsene and klopp are good at it. Even your fergie too was good at it. The difference why fergie was successful than those two was because fergie players can't be easily poached unlike the first 2 coaches

who scouted that shakushaku master for 75m I think he's the most expensive Africa player

Jodera:
Who do you think is the most iconic no.4 in the premier league era?

Fabrepass Omo ologo
Kompany next
Viera
Makele

iamoyindamola:
who scouted that shakushaku master for 75m I think he's the most expensive Africa player

lol...
He might turn out good. After all, I know modric was branded one of the worst Madrid signing, forward years later, he was the one that won best player not named Ronaldo.
As long as pepe is still young, I won't give up hope just yet.