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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 6:54pm On May 15, 2020 |
nihilistjnr:Well people have seen maradonna and his exploits plus other great players as well before Ronaldo so first mover argument don't cut it. Ronaldo was not goal shy. He had over 200career goals at the age of 23. Messi at that same age don't come close. That's why we always say injury ruined his career. Like someone pointed out before even Suarez banged 59goals playing for Barcelona yet he has nothing on Fat Ron. Place Fat Ron in one of those Messi teams and he drop exactly those figures if not more. 5 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 6:54pm On May 15, 2020 |
airmark: I can back this lovely slander as well. ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 6:55pm On May 15, 2020 |
BlueRayDick: I asked you the previous question because I saw you post this below: BlueRayDick: I'm not going to belittle messi's ability or achievements in anyway, but claiming de Limas ability is over hyped won't cut it bro. You're talking about a guy who literally lost three years of active football due to a career ending injury yet represented Brazil 98 times, scoring 62 goals, including 15 of those in the FIFA World Cup. If I am not mistaken De lima became the world cup highest goal scorer after a career ending injury, after being overweight, ruled out by many people and declared finished by some. P:S - De lima did all what he did without any form of protection from the referees. Also note that I've not taken anything away from messi. But you can't erase de limas exploits bro...theres a reason why theres still a special buzz about him. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 6:57pm On May 15, 2020 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 6:58pm On May 15, 2020 |
airmark: This talk ehn ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 7:00pm On May 15, 2020 |
BlueRayDick: Dr. Nihilistjnr, our endocrinologist, at your service. ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 7:07pm On May 15, 2020 |
spillo1: Let's put it this way... He had Cristiano's pace, power and speed. Coupled with Messi's dribbling, finishing and technique. If only he had Cristiano fitness record. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 7:08pm On May 15, 2020 |
diggz: I'm also not taking anything away from Lima. The reason why I said what I said was based on the crux of the whole discuss; "who is more talented between Messi and Lima" I believe the talent we are referring to is Natural ability and skill displayed as a footballer. It is not about what could've been or kanipe kanipe. When I say people are overhyping Ronaldo's natural talent, I'm not saying Ronaldo is not the great player he was, I'm only saying they are deliberately looking down on messi for not winning a cup with his national team( Which has absolutely nothing to do with his talent) As a talented footballer, messi has scored crazy goals, he's scored cheeky goals, he's made the best defenders look like fools, he's dragged his team from a losing position to winning with margin, he has pace, places the ball quite well beyond the reach of goal keepers....etc. Messi combines a whole lot of attributes of different top players. I'm not taking anything away from Lima as well |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 7:10pm On May 15, 2020 |
BlueRayDick: The Nigerian factor “might” come into play. One thing I have always wondered is the low level of project monitoring in this country. It gives room for a lot of public officer to do as they like. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Herbiedeen(m): 7:18pm On May 15, 2020 |
Greatihex:Nani did not have a similar stat 2goals 2assists He missed a pk in the group stage but his two goals and an assist in the 3rd match qualified them for the k/o stage.. Silver Boot Team Of The Tournament So tell me how Nani became their best player Nani was not even among portugal's top 3 players at the Euros Renato even had more recognitn |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spillo1: 7:19pm On May 15, 2020 |
Kimbeast:LMFAO......What bullshit first mover advantage is that guy is talking about lol. Ronaldo was doing at 19/20 what Messi was doing at 23 and Cronaldo 26. Without the injuries, the greatest player ever. With the injuries, he is only 2nd to Maradona. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 7:20pm On May 15, 2020 |
BlueRayDick: No disrespect to messi but I'm going to pick de lima bro. Tbh... even with the referees protection on footballers that we now have, and him not going on three years severe injury without active football he's yet to produce or do something tangible in the world cup. So, why do you want him rated higher? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 7:21pm On May 15, 2020 |
Segedinho:It is possible |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 7:22pm On May 15, 2020 |
Kimbeast: The advances in sports science alone can account for some of that shine. Like I said a big reason why Ronaldo stood out is simply because nobody was doing it like him back then. Tactics weren't as advanced, players weren't as fit. These days, a centre back like zouma is one of the fastest players at Chelsea. Footballers these days are running 10-13 kilometres per game. Thats why it was harder for the likes of Messi and Ororo to get an early start like De Lima. The level of competition was quite simply better. De Lima scored 47 goals in his best ever season. That limit still holds true today as the goal scoring threshold that defines truly elite attackers. 20 goals is the minimum return for a decent striker. 30-40 goals is the usual ball park for the truly elite Strikers in the game. Sometimes, an elite striker has one very hot season and breaks the 40 goal mark, like maybe Luis Suarez or Zlatan... But only two players in the world have hit the 60 goal mark And only one has scored 73 in one season. It's not a matter of injury. R9's 47 goals is an example of pushing the limits of what's humanly possible. Most elite strikers will never reach that milestone. And the ones that do will only ever do so on 1 occasion. The only people who repeated the trick over and over again are Ororo and Messi. The only person to score that 73 goals is Messi. That's Messi's own version of the one hot season that Suarez, Ibra and R9 have. That's pure talent. No level of coaching, training and diet can get you there if you don't have it. That's why it's never happened before, and won't happen again. 6 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Herbiedeen(m): 7:24pm On May 15, 2020 |
randomperson:hehehe, now you're turning it Guereiro assisted Ronaldo for the first then Ronaldo assist Nani for the 2nd.......so where did Nani get his own assist in the s/f ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 7:24pm On May 15, 2020 |
larride: That is the problem. It's a general problem ; majority of Nigerians are corrupt. That is why most people believe Buhari's anti-corruption crusade will not yield much result because he's tackling the problem from the top instead of the root. Corruption is something Nigerians learn from a tender age. By the time u are a teenager u already understand the saying "nothing goes for nothing"...Everybody wants to use their position to make something on the side for themselves. Even the people who are supposed to be in charge of monitoring get bribed and look the other way sef. U know these same education officers and teachers are the ones that go for external invigilation during SSCE exams. Once they get served "Mr Biggs" and soft drink with an envelope to take home as "Thanks for coming", they look away and let students and teachers go about their exam malpractice in "peace" ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 7:26pm On May 15, 2020 |
nihilistjnr:So Messi is a mutant ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 7:27pm On May 15, 2020 |
iamoyindamola:Bros,Like i said before,charms are real Ur disbelief have no effect on wat i personally pertook on. I had my "don'ts"and i believe others had,failure to abide will render whatsoever ur juju is powerless. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 7:29pm On May 15, 2020 |
nihilistjnr:I am still not grabbing your point. He scored 73goals and he as well never replicated it so it was one off. If Suarez could scored 59goals playing for Barcelona and I have little to no doubt in my mind that a fit prime Fat Ron could easily pull those figures. Gerd Muller pulled 85goals in a calendar year and other impressive goals feat so it's not like both are doing things the football world hasn't seen before in terms of goalscoring. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 7:29pm On May 15, 2020 |
iamoyindamola: He was on human growth hormone. If you think he's short now, he wouldn't have been taller than a bottle of malt if Barca R & D department did not intervene |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 7:35pm On May 15, 2020 |
spillo1:I still remember before the 98 world cup how the entire competition was built around a young Delima Ronaldo leading his country and boy he didn't disappoint. He tore the entire tournament to shreds. The fact that the world has seen Maradonna but still rave about a young Ronaldo should tell everyone how ridiculous talented he was. The first mover advantage don't ever Carry weight when the world has seen the exploits of Maradona coupled with other great players around that era as well. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 7:36pm On May 15, 2020 |
nihilistjnr:I think he would have been dead instead that midget |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 7:40pm On May 15, 2020 |
BlueRayDick:Is he infallible?? What happen if a very good electrician touches a naked wire carrying a very high amount of electrical current ![]() Let me use my case then,as an example I was adviced never to get close to a female urine as well as avoid eating food cooked with "dog meats" I can't categorically tell you what his was,i still cannot vouch if he did any bullets prevention juju. There are several juju that get neutralized when you get close to girls on their menstrual cycle. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 7:41pm On May 15, 2020 |
Kimbeast: .Please we're talking modern era so don't muddy the waters by referring to s time when they used to wear Timberland boot to play football. Anything from the mid 80s please. The landscape was to different to draw any other comparison. Anyway, Ronaldo never replicated his 47 goals so there's nothing to suggest that he could do it again... Let's not forget that R9 won WPOTY on 3 occasions...but he only managed that 47 goals once in those 3 year's R9 had his elite one hot season. That's all. But his one hot season, is Messi's baseline. Scoring 73 goals in this era of football will never be replicated. It's not training...it's talent. 5 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by 10Dove(m): 7:41pm On May 15, 2020 |
A very fit R9 is only faster n stronger than messi. I can't really any other aspect he's better. Some peeps are talking like he didn't play with the best of his generation as well. It's okay to Eulogise R9 who was the greatest in his time, But messi is simply a bit better. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 7:42pm On May 15, 2020 |
Oasis007: No o. Though the plan is to start somewhere, maybe LG chairmanship first. ![]() Most times I just follow the news, read different report before forming an opinion. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 7:43pm On May 15, 2020 |
nihilistjnr:ok |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 7:44pm On May 15, 2020 |
Herbiedeen:since you have started lieing and saying ridiculous things, then this will be my last on this. Nani scored their only goal against Iceland, scored the first against Hungary and scored against Wales. That is 3 goals. Since you have decided to be ridiculous, even quaresma had more recognition than Ronaldo. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 7:48pm On May 15, 2020 |
Kimbeast: See what Luis Enrique (Delima's ex team mate, Messi's ex manager) said: " I’d seen him on television at PSV and thought ‘wow’. Then he came to Barcelona. He's the most spectacular player I’ve ever seen. He did things I'd never seen before. We’re now used to seeing Messi dribble past six players, but not then." 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 7:49pm On May 15, 2020 |
diggz: Well like I said earlier, I rate Messi higher based on what he's done on the pitch so far compared to what Ronaldo did. I'm not basing it on what could've been. The issue of injuries have been overflogged on this thread a la Neymar. If we want to start taking injuries into perspective, we could start pushing the narrative that Neymar should've won the World cup and all of he wasn't getting injured at crucial times. I'm not a fan of this line of thought. Messi for one knows how to evade tackles; he's fast that way. See below video collection of his dribbles against Madrid. It was almost like he dribbles them the same way every time ; one would think they would've studied past question, but messi being messi he keeps doing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pL19ZZdh_M 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spillo1: 7:55pm On May 15, 2020 |
Kimbeast: This is Mourinho speaking about a 19yr old Ronaldo. At 19 he was already the best player in the world. "Ronaldo, El Fenomeno. Cristiano Ronaldo and Leo Messi have had longer careers, they have remained at the top every day for 15 years. "However, if we are talking strictly about talent and skill, nobody surpasses Ronaldo [Nazario]. When he was at Barcelona with Bobby Robson, I realised that he was the best player I'd ever seen take to the field. "Injuries killed a career that could have been even more incredible, but the talent that that 19-year-old boy had was something incredible." Thunder fire injuries. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 8:04pm On May 15, 2020 |
BlueRayDick: Agreed! Then let messi outperform him in world cup. |
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