Odunayaw:
But if I were to advise. I'd say NAF should chill on "swelling" the numbers. Attrition hasn't really affected the unit, so why the rush.
Furthermore, expand the scope of the SF to include FAC/JTAC

GUYS
before you start bagging on the NAF and NAF SOC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gosthl6HKNo
THEN UNDERSTAND
Please go back and reread the last graduation ceremony of the NAF SF held 15th MAY 2020 2 SOC BAUCHI
REF : BATTLEFIELD DISCUSSION by bIdexxi 12:03 MAY 16
GRADUATING CLASS 8th in the last 5 years which comes out to 1.6 classes /year (SF)
For CSAR ( COMBAT SEARCH AND RESCUE) which is more complex this is the second set of graduates
1st set was in 2018 which comes out to 1.0 class/ 2years
it also costs more to train CSARs overseas
by the numbers
SF @ the personnel screening: 275
@ the inaugural screening :to start course :117
@ graduation: 94 ( 5 officers and 89 airmen and women)
CSAR : 35 STARTED
:32 GRADUATED.
THE NAF SF has at least on one occasion videotaped one of their classified ops in the N'WEST according to @don klericuzo
where they were ambushed
result : One officer was killed
the rest of the team behaved professionally wiped out the ambush party and retrieved the officer's body.

Scores killed as gunmen stop Governor, DSS, Army, Police from entering town.

Scores of persons are feared killed in a communal conflict in Tigno town of Lamurde Local Government Area of Adamawa.

Samuel Danga and Usman Babale, both residents of the area, told the News Agency of Nigeria on Saturday in Yola that the incident sparked off by misunderstanding between two youths.

They told NAN that many people lost their lives from gunshots, while several houses, shops and filling stations were destroyed.

Scores,millitant,
DSP Sulaiman Nguroje, spokesman of the Adamawa State Police Command, also confirmed the development.

Nguroje said the command received report of the conflict on Thursday evening and on Friday.

The police spokesman added that Governor Ahmadu Fintiri and security chiefs in the state had visited the area.

He confirmed that the governor and security chiefs were however prevented from entering the town due to heavy gunshots.

Nguroje said: “But some security operatives from the convoy entered the town professionally and rescued about 30 people.”

According to the PPRO, the situation is now under control as heavy armed security were deployed to the area.

He said: “Yesterday (Friday) Governor Ahmadu Fintiri, Commissioner of Police, Brigade Commander, Director Department of State Services among other security chiefs, visited the area amidst heavy gunshots.

“Even though the governor and security chiefs’ convoy did not enter the town due to the heavy gunshots, they were at the area for almost three hours.

“We rescued about 30 people to Lafiya Internally Displaced Persons camp and the number of casualties are yet to be ascertained.”

Nguroje also said the Commissioner of Police had deployed the Squadron Commander of MOPOL 14, Area Commander from Numan and all DPOs within the area to the conflict centre.

He further stated that the immediate response had yielded positive result as the gunmen were chased away from Tigno town to nearby hills.

He said the command had deployed officers from the Criminal Investigation Department to the area to establish the remote cause of the conflict and those behind it.

Similarly, Humwashi Wonosikou, the Press Secretary to Fintiri, said the governor visited the area with security chiefs in the state amidst heavy gunfire.

Wonosikou equally said the governor’s convoy could not enter the town.

He said the remote cause of the conflict was still unknown to the government.

“But Government is going to take stiff action and proactive measures to contain the situation and that anybody or group found wanting will definitely face the wrath of the law,” Hunosikou said.

NAN also reports that in less than 12 hours after the deadly communal attack, some gunmen invaded Mbemun community in same Lamurde Local Government Area and rustled cattle and other domestic animals.

Burton William, the Chairman of the local government, confirmed the attack to newsmen on Saturday in Yola.

“The gunmen after looting the community last night burnt down the entire village,” William said.

The chairman said the level of damage was yet to be ascertained.

When you sleep in your mansions and beautiful houses, remember the those that stay in trenches.... #keepingwatch.

People in Northern Nigeria tolerated and even at times encouraged lots of anti social behaviors and vices among their youths for several years. Drug abuse in that part is in a class of it's own. They tolerated idleness, joblessness and lots of other factors that eventually led to the violence they are witnessing today. Their youths did not suddenly become violent killers, it was a gradual process. When almajiri kids grow up, what do we expect them to do to earn their livelihood? Continue begging? Lol...
Southern Nigeria is a bomb waiting to explode. Drug abuse is on the increase, we are tolerating touts, thuggery and cultism and even encouraging it by not doing anything to this problems. I still remember those days when "we" were justifying internet fraudsters because "we" felt they were retrieving the wealth the colonialism stole from us, when scamming foreigners became tough for them and they already destroyed Nigeria's image in the international community, they started scamming us. It is only a matter of time before internet fraud becomes less lucrative and these "youths" turn to kidnapping, armed robbery, money rituals and drug pushing. The greed in them will continue to make them get money by all means.
The kids we fail to train today will be our bane tomorrow.
The quantity of illegal weapons in Nigeria today and what we are doing about it foretells what will happen in future.

X

bidex111:
When you sleep in your mansions and beautiful houses, remember the those that stay in trenches.... #keepingwatch.

Just saying

Such pictures of bases should not be shared or posted

On a bad day the guys will rue their indiscretion

komekn(m): 9:09pm On May 14

You miss the point completely, the embraer aircraft in its basic form is simply a turboprop aircraft everything is a retrofit to make it the A29. It was made not as fighter at its initiation. That attribute was added much later.

dragon2(m): 10:43pm On May 14
The tucano was built from day one as a military aircraft. The first aircraft was called tucano emb 301 and emb 311. The proposal was to the Brazilian AF.


komekn(m): 8:54pm On May 16
The Embraer was built as a military training aircraft, absolutely correct. What's the particular point in that❓

Don't confuse yourself.
Emb 311 and 312 was designed from day one for counter insurgency and was not a simple turboprop as you suggested to which I replied .

....komekn.
There are so many aircraft, indeed the Alpha Jet was instituted as a trainer. Buy today it's probably out most effective and dependable ground attack asset over the decades. Yet it was essentially a training aircraft at inception....

Alpha jet was designed to handle light attack none was a retrofit from basic.

Komekn

Comparatively the South African Mwari was purpose built as a fighting light single engined turboprop aircraft. The approach has been modular. You said it has no identifiable weapon systems that's not true. It's stupendously adaptable to so many it has 24 hard points, the A29 has 5.

Me.
You said it was a comparatively cheap alternative to A29 ,I am saying the low price versions have no modules. Once you start adding the weapon systems the price goes up.
That is why the made it modular.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rsa/mwari.htm
The military variant of the plane called 'Mwari' was to be on market in 15 months. Cost set at $10 million in 2011, but no price given with systems in place.

Komekn.
Remind me why the NAF is spending $600 million package.

Me.
You are trolling.

Komekn
We already have aircraft that can drop 500 pound bombs. Albeit not very accurately when you rely entirely on pilot ability it's not precision. It is well documented NAF dropping bombs on friendly and or wrong targets. That's not what you pay $600 million for.

Me.
That is why you don't need drones that can only fire expensive 25kg missiles, but rather an aircrat that can loiter like the drone but drop much larger munitions with much greater effect on the enemy.
Do you think repurposing a plane (pc-21)
built for simulation into a ground attack aircraft with actual weapon systems will be cheap?!

Komekn
The rockets we make are not precision guided do you know the effective cast range❓ . They are struggling to exceed 1.5 km. That puts the aircraft delivering such munitions in a position of weakness for AA fire.

Me.
This is what we use all the time from our helicopters and Alpha jets, what is the attrition rate of those platforms? If both can handle it why not the Tucano?and we build it, but the drone can't be armed with it because they are not meant for such.Even if we decided to buy the 8km range hydra rocket (which we are, I gave the link) it is far cheaper than missiles.

Modify,drones have killed civilians too

Komekn

Finally, which would you rather have 50 Wing Loong II UAV with complete 24 hr over watch and 2000 fit for purpose assorted MBT, IFV, APC, MRAP, LAV, tracked and wheeled with a good 15% with RWS in the HERE & NOW. Or 12, A29 turboprop aircraft that will be delivered on or before 2024 projected.

Me.
We already have drones,why do you think we don't have more?. You want us to kill 3 terrorists in a technical with a 1 to 10 million naira missile when we can use cheap made in Nigeria rockets as effectively? Have you seen the attrition rate of drones? Go and ask turkey.

TROOPS OF OPERATION WHIRL STROKE NEUTRALIZE SOME GANA LED CRIMINAL ELEMENTS IN BENUE STATE AND ARREST BASSA MILITIA MEMBERS IN NASARAWA STATE.

1. In a special operation, a combined team of Operation WHIRL STROKE Special Forces troops of Sector 2 deployed in Gbise and Zaki Biam in Benue State and Sector 4 from Taraba State carried out a raid operation on the hideout of the wanted notorious criminal named Gana in Mtan village in Utenge Council Ward of Katsina-Ala LGA of Benue State on 16 July 2020. Two (2) of the gang members were neutralized and others fled with various degrees of gunshot wounds. Exploitation revealed that Gana narrowly escaped death with gunshot wounds. Items recovered include: One (1) locally fabricated machine gun, Six (6) locally made rifles, Two (2) locally fabricated cartridge guns, One (1) dane gun, Two (2) revolver pistols,Two(2) Cartridge pistols, 27 rounds of 9mm ammunition Two (2) Motorcycles, One (1) Camouflage shirt, One (1) generator set, One (1) bag of gun powder and assorted charms. Gana's personal belongings, other items and thatched houses were destroyed.

2. In another development, troops of Sector 3 deployed at Ondori in Doma LGA of Nasarawa State acting on credible intelligence that a group of Bassa armed militia were planning to attack some Tiv villages over land disputes. Troops raided their camp located at Kpelebewa village in Rukubi area of Doma LGA of Nasarawa State. Troops apprehended Seven (7) members of the Bassa militia dressed in Red shirts in the camp. Items recovered include One (1) locally fabricated machine gun, Six (6) locally fabricated rifles, Two (2) locally fabricated cartridge guns, One (1) Dane gun, Two (2) revolver pistols, Two (2) Cartridge firing pistols, 57 rounds of 7.62mm special ammunition, 29 rounds of 9mm ammunition, and 22 cartridges of ammunition. Other items are One (1) dagger, poisoned bows and arrows, desert Camouflage head gears and pouch, Six (6) phone handsets and some charms. The suspects are currently undergoing interrogation to be handed over to the Nigeria Police.

3. The Military High Command congratulates the Troops and requests the general public to continue to provide the Armed Forces with credible information to facilitate its operations in the Country.

4. You are please requested to disseminate this information through your various medium, with the attached photos for the awareness of the general public. Thank you for your usual support and cooperation.

JOHN ENENCHE
Major General
Coordinator
Defence Media Operations
Defence Headquarters
17 May 2020

dragon2:
Komekn

Finally, which would you rather have 50 Wing Loong II UAV with complete 24 hr over watch and 2000 fit for purpose assorted MBT, IFV, APC, MRAP, LAV, tracked and wheeled with a good 15% with RWS in the HERE & NOW. Or 12, A29 turboprop aircraft that will be delivered on or before 2024 projected.

[/b]Me.
We already have drones,why do you think we don't have more?. You want us to kill 3 terrorists in a technical with a 1 to 10 million naira missile when we can use cheap made in Nigeria rockets as effectively? Have you seen the attrition rate of drones? Go and ask turkey.[b]

Guy I too feel you !

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interior of the made in Nigeria Tekowi Tactical vehicle

bidexiii:
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these dudes mixed voodoo with weapons.

CONCL

komekn:


I am not offended in the least.

To date you have NEVER CONTENDED WITH THE FACTS with anything of substance just name calling. Disagree with me by all means but be methodical, structured, objective and with balanced reasoning. But you do none of these things, I do not know how educated you are if at all you went beyond high school, either way it shows.

You think by vitriolic rhetoric and name calling you present a substansive argument. why do you EVADE the subject completely Maybe you lack that basic skill set to have a discourse based on substance and logical reasoning.

With regards to your comments i suggest you look at the mirror and you will find the test subject you describe looking at you.

Carmit:

these dudes mixed voodoo with weapons.

Thats naija criminals for you...
even BHT do use them, thats why we tie red cloth to gas block/buttstock of your riffle.
me no really believe am

Odunayaw:
But if I were to advise. I'd say NAF should chill on "swelling" the numbers. Attrition hasn't really affected the unit, so why the rush.
Furthermore, expand the scope of the SF to include FAC/JTAC

I think they are aiming to have enough men for all their formations in the country, gone are the days when NAF will deploy aircraft technicians to defend bases.

Toju200:
yes of course it's one of the best unit but haven't u seen them before...
Kit up those guys like CTU they'll perform twice wat they do..

What they do don't need kitting like CTU. For example check out the kitting of the SAS and 14Int during The troubles

bidexiii:


Thats naija criminals for you...
even BHT do use them, thats why we tie red cloth to gas block/buttstock of your riffle.
me no really believe am

the emboldened is extremely hilarious and bewildering!

are our gallant troops red cloths fortified' too ?

Kalapizim:
I think they are aiming to have enough men for all their formations in the country, gone are the days when NAF will deploy aircraft technicians to defend bases.

SF for formations in the country? Even Paratroopers are not created to be in all formations in the country. If its base defense, the Regiment is more than enough to handle the threats.

To me, the lines between their Regiment & SF gets too blurred at times...like an overlap of function.

Carmit:

the emboldened is extremely hilarious and bewildering!

are our gallant troops red cloths fortified' too ?

Bewildering !

No jokes juju dey my brother oo, i have encountered it twice not stories anybody told me o

But las las juju no dey stop 12.7

Odunayaw:
SF for formations in the country? Even Paratroopers are not created to be in all formations in the country. If its base defense, the Regiment is more than enough to handle the threats.

To me, the lines between their Regiment & SF gets too blurred at times...like an overlap of function.

Well firstly I see them as SOF. The current nature of things see NAF conducting operations in most part of the country and i suspect it is their game plan to have this guys in every corridor for serach and rescue in case things go south.

My opinion sha

Carmit:

the emboldened is extremely hilarious and bewildering!

are our gallant troops red cloths fortified' too ?

It’s a personal thing.

komekn:


That's a very well articulated view by the former USAF Col. from his perspective but as an intellectual document of proven fact it falls short of the mark without substantiation of the assumptions he makes on cost and low altitude flight risk. Further alternative options are not looked at particularly the impact of UAV's in Close Air Support Capability.

But its context is not relevant to the Nigerian situation as the USAF had entirely different cost parameters and air combat strategies to Nigeria, it is really an irrelevance. Nonetheless, maybe we can learn something from the Col. entirely USAF related position and deduction.

This is what i prefer an intellectual approach as opposed to wild assumption birthed from our own prejudices and or preferences.

There is considerable commissioned research the US by the Army Quadrennial Defense Review (QDR) and the USAF in this area that is far more substantive than that of a singular USAF colonel. I have read quite a few 40+ page documents many of them.

In some regards it becomes the more you know the less you you understand to make a decision.

Majority is not necessarily right, but what is established beyond all doubt is that light attack turboprop air frames constitute less than 1% of all NATO attack aircraft. That in itself says something.

A key issue is cost, particularly in the context of Nigeria What is high cost and what is low cost how are we coming to that conclusion by assumption or by comparison analysis.

For instance a brand new comparable single engine turboprop aircraft of similar capacity and or even higher performance such as the Swiss PC21 which costs under $4.5 million per unit. Indeed the Spanish air force bought 24 military spec. for under $185 million or thereabouts. Quite shockingly pilots have transited from the PC-21 straight to the F18. What will it cost to retrofit additional weapon systems ISTAR Capabilities not a huge amount IMO.

This is food for thought for those who want to have a solution led approach and a red flag to angry bulls who find questioning and or even appraising NAF procurement decisions an act of high treason. The choice is yours is this best value or not.

CaptainStephen:
Bewildering !

No jokes juju dey my brother oo, i have encountered it twice not stories anybody told me o

But las las juju no dey stop 12.7

LTGEN:

GUYS
before you start bagging on the NAF and NAF SOC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gosthl6HKNo
THEN UNDERSTAND
Please go back and reread the last graduation ceremony of the NAF SF held 15th MAY 2020 2 SOC BAUCHI
REF : BATTLEFIELD DISCUSSION by bIdexxi 12:03 MAY 16
GRADUATING CLASS 8th in the last 5 years which comes out to 1.6 classes /year (SF)
For CSAR ( COMBAT SEARCH AND RESCUE) which is more complex this is the second set of graduates
1st set was in 2018 which comes out to 1.0 class/ 2years
it also costs more to train CSARs overseas
by the numbers
SF @ the personnel screening: 275
@ the inaugural screening :to start course :117
@ graduation: 94 ( 5 officers and 89 airmen and women)
CSAR : 35 STARTED
:32 GRADUATED.
THE NAF SF has at least on one occasion videotaped one of their classified ops in the N'WEST according to @don klericuzo
where they were ambushed
result : One officer was killed
the rest of the team behaved professionally wiped out the ambush party and retrieved the officer's body.

Video of the bolded please

joshingjosh:



Video of the bolded please

The NAF SOF are highly trained and professional, honestly sometimes am jealous seen this guys they just need some personnel body equipment.
And am of the view that the CAS should continue training more of them; they are a blessing to the overstretched NA, helping out in the north central and west.