Eberejesus111:


Now do you know US isn't literally a country per say. US... Look at it U-United S-States A-America

Now the words we would be using here is United and States. US is a combination of different countries or states coming together to form a nation, a country (all made in agreement).

In the US, there are poor states, like I mean poor states and there are rich states. Each complements each other. For example, California has majority of the resources and is the tech capital of the country, New York is the financial capital, Pennsylvania and a majority of the Yankee north are the industrial places, Louisiana, and most southern states are farming places and it goes on and on. Ohio is a state or country that is poor, so the government supports it with other poor states.

United states is almost similar to the now United Nations.

Europe saw this and copied the united states, this is why they made European Union, even starting off with their own currency to tighten the bond and make them a full-blown state or country.
Europe where the first to think about such union, although United states practiced theirs, but it was spontaneous for the United States.

Now even in Europe they still complement each other, in a very healthy way.

If some states leave, there is a great tendency some would become quite poor, and depend on internationalal help. This is the reason I made the suggestion of a confederate southern state as above. We don't need to call it Biafra or Oduduwa republic, or even Niger-delta republic. We can all come together and make a name that speaks prosperity.

Bro you should never decide for a people, Biafra and Edo are tired of this contraption. It's only logical you let them go. Telling us stories just to hinder us is selfish . The European Union you talk about hasn't Britain left it?

valirex:


Bro you should never decide for a people, Biafra and Edo are tired of this contraption. It's only logical you let them go. Telling us stories just to hinder us is selfish

Good, but if peradevnture they do secede. Look at the balance, do you want to secede and secede again, and continue seceding till nothing.

If you're seceding based on the ego that "we are the best, and we can handle ourselves" it's foolish. But if you're seceding, only for the reason to make a good change for your citizens, then that's good.

Ego is good as deemed fit, but have you weighed the pros and cons. Weigh them with all the suggestions I gave above and tell me what you think?

Eberejesus111:


Good, but if peradevnture they do secede. Look at the balance, do you want to secede and secede again, and continue seceding till nothing.

If you're seceding based on the ego that "we are the best, and we can handle ourselves" it's foolish. But if you're seceding, only for the reason to make a good change for your citizens, then that's good.

Ego is good as deemed fit, but have you weighed the pros and cons. Weigh them with all the suggestions I gave above and tell me what you think?

I have weighed the pro and cons and the pros out weighs the cons. There won't be more seceding if we go with just homogeneous Edos

valirex:


I have weighed the pro and cons and the pros out weighs the cons. There won't be more seceding if we go with just homogeneous Edos

Okay, if you say so.

AreaFada2:

Gele Gele Port can be developed easily. More than enough to serve Edo population.

Like I said in a post some days ago, if ever the option of a free Edo country came, it would be Benin Kingdom. It is historical ignorance or denial that led to it being called Edo State.

Edo is just the capital of Benin Empire. Not even including Egor, Oluku. Eyaen, Useh or areas surrounding Benin City.

Although over time it came to mean the tribe and language of the Benins (nothing like Bini, it's either Igodomigodo, Ubini or Benin), whereas Benin Empire included many parts of Eastern Yorubaaland and some areas of current Niger Delta and Lagos.

An Esan or Urhobo is actually more Benin than Edo or Edoid. Because many left during Ubini pre-Edo time. Before 1440 AD. Some left just as the name Edo was taking root.

It's like people from Epe or Ikorodu saying they do not like the name Lagos but would prefer Isaleko as name of their state. Because Oba of Lagos is not called Oba of Isaleko. Even though Isaleko is the actual location of Eleko palace Idugaran.

Even old Bendel derived from Benin and Delta Provinces. All of current Edo were in Benin province but suddenly Benin wasn't seen as diplomatic enough as the name of a state.

Historical perspective is crucial if as a Benin person if you want to understand how Esan and indeed others relate to Benin.

That many Esan are fiercely anti-Benin is well known. And of late some Igbo are trying to exploit it on social media.

That the Benins consider us and Esan as brothers is seen as an unbalanced equation by many Esan, not all. They fear they will never be majority and will need Benin support. That's fine as long as we do not under undermine or sell each other at every opportunity.

But they forget that Benin have always considered opinions of others. Being 67% of Edo population Benins could have decided to always vote on block or form a Benin party.

At the end Edo Central and North should get a plebiscite regarding where they want to be. At some point I believe Edo North and Central should form.onr State together.

With the disunity we have seen in Nigeria, a divided house won't help anyone. Even the Bible says two cannot walk together unless they agree.

i completely understand all what you said.. but you know politics changes people!

Many of the areas you called Edo, even though they were once Edo but they are now saying the need to be left alone, so I'm not bothering myself about them.

As for Edo north and esan creating their own state, do you know that was the original plan they had before Edo state was created? They changed their mind at the last minute.

I know many ipob are using esan anti benin stance and it's working. I joined their Facebook group and most believe they are "superior" to Benin, they are even spreading that Benin people including oba originated from esan.

I'm completely fine with just Edo south to stand alone if needs be.

Low population
Faster development
Unity

Mystiquefia:
Gregyboy
Valirex
Areafada2
Igbosmoker


Even till today, some parts of urhoboland are Still lagging behind in terms of development like okpeland. And this is why there has been clamours to recognize okpe as a seperate ethnic group from urhobo like the isokos. But what these people fail to understand is that development is a gradual process, okpe itself homes the only domestic airport in urhoboland, just as WRPC is located in uvwie local governmen. With the urbanization of warri and uvwie, the next area of focus tilts toward okpe. infact most future urhobo projects will be situated in okpe kingdom because uvwie has no lands to house such projects again. The next governor of the state when zoned to delta central will be microzoned to okpe for instance to enabel them enjoy the dividend of democracy.
so whenever you see such comments from deltans on nairaland, it may not represent the general opinion of urhobos. Any Responsible urhobo son would not engage in unneccessary banters with edo people

Dem be mofos, edo on its own with the little population are very outspoken politically in nigeria but check the other minority group that even speak more population than edo state in terms of their political participation in national level is zero....

The biggest fear of a delta man is marginalization all of them have that mumu mentality thats why Mary babangida took thesame marginalization mentality to favour asaba as the state capital,the urhobo and the others were barking like dog that had only one puppy after conceving.... But the esan man that was opportuned to do that in edo refuse and still mainted benin as edo capital.......

Today delta is practicing rotary system of power,
Because of the marginalization mentality, that same self centered attitude drove most oil companies away from delta state....

Delta state na mumu state nor be today


Most schools in edo from nursery to tertiary institutions are all occupied by delta indigenes after edo people in edo state the next people in Edo state are delta people especially urhobos but ask them how many edo can they find in delta state the way we find delta people in edo state.....


Na mumu state delta be

Same useless mentality say delta nor dey carry last


We edo we go dey alright as a country on our own

valirex:


I have weighed the pro and cons and the pros out weighs the cons. There won't be more seceding if we go with just homogeneous Edos

Just edo will be better

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valirex
igbosmoker
Areafada2

You guys need need to undastand lostz point of view. Fact is Lostz is speaking from an isoko perpective of the supposed marginalization and relegation of the isoko people by the then midwest region cum bendel state which benefited the benins and urhobos the most because of their population. So whenever you make reference to urhobo, itsekiri or anioma people for instance which dominated the politics of bendel state and try to lump isokos and urhobos together to buttress your point you wont get anywhere with the arguement because isokos dont see themselves as urhobos. I also understand that as Benin Sons you guys are having a had time deciphering the rationalism for the divorce between isokos and urhobos because you feel as people who migrated from benin and settled in delta state it makes sense to you for us to live together in peace and harmony. This is daylight dreaming, the fact on ground is isoko is a different ethnic group on its own & urhobos have accepted dat reality

Well, lostz conveniently blamed Benin for grabbing everything. So I made it clear Benin didn't. But he has not blamed Asaba-based govt for taking capital city, airport and other developments that have made Asaba the Nollywood town. Asaba has had more effect on Delta since 29 years (21 years of democracy). Benin was Midwest/Bendel capital for 28 years of which only 8 years and 3 months was democratic rule. Of the democratic period, Ogbemudia (only Benin governor) was governor for less than 3 months. If Isoko has not made much impact in Delta with fewer tribes in 21 years, why blame Benin for Isoko not making impact in 8 years long ago?

If anything, it was tribes in proximity to Isoko that overshadowed Isoko in that zone.

True, for outsiders, Urhobo, Okpe & Isoko are virtually same. So if they agree on their distinctiveness, they should be reaching a consensus and decide together who to bring out. This they can decide to rotate.

gregyboy:


We edo we go dey alright as a country on our own

On the ground that Edo Central & North agree. Otherwise, two states needed. We cannot afford to waste precious time battling internal division.

Eberejesus111:


Good, but if peradevnture they do secede. Look at the balance, do you want to secede and secede again, and continue seceding till nothing.

If you're seceding based on the ego that "we are the best, and we can handle ourselves" it's foolish. But if you're seceding, only for the reason to make a good change for your citizens, then that's good.

Ego is good as deemed fit, but have you weighed the pros and cons. Weigh them with all the suggestions I gave above and tell me what you think?

In Benin for example, we have one Oba. Urhobo, Esan, Ijaw, Yoruba, Igbo and others have several monarchs. Division is likely when a people have no history of central govt together. Many dukes in Benin area are older stools than Oba of Lagos, Olu of Warri, Obi of Iseluku, Obi of Onitsha, ovies, orodjes, amayanabos and several ezes/obis. Yet these dukes remain dukes under authority of the Oba. Ogiegor/Duke of Ego near Benin is even older than the current Oba dynasty that began in 1170 AD. So we are used to a central authority since long ago.

This is not just about ego, it's about elusive unity among Africans and practicality.

In the future, it won't be about size but organisation and efficiency of a country. Smaller countries can share consular representation. Benin Kingdom or Afesan Republic (Afemai & Esan country) can share consular representation with Namibia, Lesotho, Zambia, Malta, Cyprus, Jamaica, Laos, eSwatini/Swaziland, The Bahama, The Gambia, Slovenia, The Maldives, Mauritius, etc. To save cost and assist citizens abroad.

AreaFada2:


In Benin for example, we have one Oba. Urhobo, Esan, Ijaw, Yoruba, Igbo and others have several monarchs. Division is likely when a people have no history of central govt together. Many dukes in Benin area are older stools than Oba of Lagos, Olu of Warri, Obi of Iseluku, Obi of Onitsha, ovies, orodjes, amayanabos and several ezes/obis. Yet these dukes remain dukes under authority of the Oba. Ogiegor/Duke of Ego near Benin is even older than the current Oba dynasty that began in 1170 AD. So we are used to a central authority since long ago.

This is not just about ego, it's about elusive unity among Africans and practicality.

In the future, it won't be about size but organisation and efficiency of a country. Smaller countries can share consular representation. Benin Kingdom or Afesan Republic (Afemai & Esan country) can share consular representation with Namibia, Lesotho, Zambia, Malta, Cyprus, Jamaica, Laos, eSwatini/Swaziland, The Bahama, The Gambia, Slovenia, The Maldives, Mauritius, etc. To save cost and assist citizens abroad.

An average delta person are self centered, and naturally easily feel oppressed i dont know why
Just check the state politics in delta state it is full of tribalism every tribe wanr to dominate....

We dont need such people in a region they are ungrateful we pulled them out of western region and when they got free they cried we are marginalizing them just see urhobo and okpe in this issue of marginalizing, people for delta state get problem


Just let them go we nor need them


If you check the amount of Delta people in edo especially urhobo they are even more than what they have in delta state, open university in benin is fully occupied by deltans in edo here, today i even entered bus with a delta guy.......

They complain we marginalize them in Midwestern reg, and yet they are still flocking our state for survival

gregyboy:

I tell you leave all this delta people make them dey mumu naso dem be las las dem go carry last
Na mugu them be.... Leave them Only edo go dey alright

You sound like fvcking Igbos - attached by force mentality. No be by force to join Bini leave us alone

Lostz:


I don't need to provide any other source that is more credible than my experience and that of my love ones .

there was also jubilations in Edo?and you suddenly think we want to live together? there won't be jubilations if we are not happy to live apart

no need to talk too much, u can go join Biafra if u wish.. no be force..

AreaFada2:


Really? And Delta people had so many positions in govt and politics? I knew the civil service very well.

Anioma benefited most in positions. Osadebey was premier. No state university in Benin area. But in Ekpoma and education faculty in Abraka (now Delta state university).

The only Benin man that ruled Ogbemudia, you need to check what he did in Warri and other areas in Delta.

If anything, Benin always compromised, not to be seen as domineering.
In my opinion, I would prefer smaller homogeneous nation's even if 3 to 5 million people.

Bendel was the most egalitarian multi-ethnic region.

Aside Benin, did Abudu, Iguobazuwa or any other town.get much attention?

You also forget that around 20% of people in Benin were from Delta. Every classroom had like 30% Delta people. Even till today the Deltans remain in Benin. Benefited from whatever you say Benin took for themselves. Ibori, Uduaghan, Olu of Warri Ikenwoli, all schooled in Uniben that Ogbemudia developed before FG took it over.

The Ebies, Unukegwos and Omo-Ageges were people I knew well. All did very well in Bendel.

I would prefer Delta to be on their own or join Niger Delta Republic. Not to have argument over oil. Ijaw and others can sort out oil arguments in NDR.

Being Edoid is not enough to have unity. If no common purpose, lingering historical issues or potential for fight over oil or anything, better not.⁷

Well said.. No need to talk too much.. Edo will NEVER be part of Yoruba or any other entity.. Delta can join Biafra if they wish to, Edo is strong and good on its own. All we probably need is an access to the sea and we can take a part of Delta for that.. So Edo may end up sharing Delta with Biafra..

davidnazee:


no need to talk too much, u can go join Biafra if u wish.. no be force..

we are all on Nigeria.

YungMillionaire:


You sound like fvcking Igbos - attached by force mentality. No be by force to join Bini leave us alone

Wetin una people dey always dey find for benin na i dey ask, una even many pass other edo tribe for benin.....

Make una go sit down......

After we get our edo republic last last una go still flood am,


Make una kukuma join biafra ifeoma people

YungMillionaire:


You sound like fvcking Igbos - attached by force mentality. No be by force to join Bini leave us alone

Calm down bro Edo will never force anyone to join us, rather we will only defend our land against marginalization.

davidnazee:


Well said.. No need to talk too much.. Edo will NEVER be part of Yoruba or any other entity.. Delta can join Biafra if they wish to, Edo is strong and good on its own. All we probably need is an access to the sea and we can take a part of Delta for that.. So Edo may end up sharing Delta with Biafra..

Yeah right but we won't force the itesekiri to come with us because we want see access, that would make us like Igbos. We already have access to sea through Gelele and Ughoton

Igbosmoker:
i completely understand all what you said.. but you know politics changes people!

Many of the areas you called Edo, even though they were once Edo but they are now saying the need to be left alone, so I'm not bothering myself about them.

As for Edo north and esan creating their own state, do you know that was the original plan they had before Edo state was created? They changed their mind at the last minute.

I know many ipob are using esan anti benin stance and it's working. I joined their Facebook group and most believe they are "superior" to Benin, they are even spreading that Benin people including oba originated from esan.

I'm completely fine with just Edo south to stand alone if needs be.

Low population
Faster development
Unity

Oba gha tokpere Isee...

valirex:


Calm down bro Edo will never force anyone to join us, rather we will only defend our land against marginalization.

Correct... and just to add to it, any part of Delta we need or deem necessary to Edo we will take.
Edo is not confused like those in Delta. We already know where we stand. A confused people usually end up being war booty.

davidnazee:


Correct... and just to add to it, any part of Delta we need or deem necessary to Edo we will take.
Edo is not confused like those in Delta. We already know where we stand. A confused people usually end up being war booty.

Oba should give you the post of OKAKUO

valirex:



Oba should give you the post of OKAKUO

Well my family have been doing that for Benin Kingdom for ages.

davidnazee:


Well my family have been doing that for Benin Kingdom for ages.

YungMillionaire:


You sound like fvcking Igbos - attached by force mentality. No be by force to join Bini leave us alone

leave Igbos out of your misery and focus on the topic.

davidnazee:


Correct... and just to add to it, any part of Delta we need or deem necessary to Edo we will take.
Edo is not confused like those in Delta. We already know where we stand. A confused people usually end up being war booty.

Attach by force I guess?
Well, I'll not behave like you lots who shout on top of your voice at the mention of Biafra, claiming Igbo's want to force unwilling people into Biafra yet find same method inevitable in conceiving your own country.

The truth remains that as much as i hate the idea, Biafra may end up claiming urhobo and itshekiri. Even Edo risk being taken by Biafra. Most Igbo's including myself vehemently reject the idea of adding them to Biafra. But then, they are aloof. In times like this it's not allowed to just sit and wait for when Biafra news comes up to insult, you have to have your own aspiration. Since Edo secessionist movement is not forthcoming, it'll be foolhardy to reject both Oduduwa and Biafra. Claiming to belong to neither of them can actually mean belonging to either of them without negotiated terms.

Armaggedon:
Attach by force I guess?
Well, I'll not behave like you lots who shout on top of your voice at the mention of Biafra, claiming Igbo's want to force unwilling people into Biafra yet find same method inevitable in conceiving your own country.

The truth remains that as much as i hate the idea, Biafra may end up claiming urhobo and itshekiri. Even Edo risk being taken by Biafra. Most Igbo's including myself vehemently reject the idea of adding them to Biafra. But then, they are aloof. In times like this it's not allowed to just sit and wait for when Biafra news comes up to insult, you have to have your own aspiration. Since Edo secessionist movement is not forthcoming, it'll be foolhardy to reject both Oduduwa and Biafra. Claiming to belong to neither of them can actually mean belonging to either of them without negotiated terms.

We will be waiting for you, and while we are doing that plans we be laid on how we will take Onitcha

By my calculations 10000 Ogun warriors should be able to take and retain Onitcha

valirex:


We will be waiting for you, and while we are doing that plans we be laid on how we will take Onitcha

By my calculations 10000 Ogun warriors should be able to take and retain Onitcha

Lol

gregyboy:



Lol

They think only them can be mad

valirex:


We will be waiting for you, and while we are doing that plans we be laid on how we will take Onitcha

By my calculations 10000 Ogun warriors should be able to take and retain Onitcha

That's not the point. Igbos don't need them. Ever seen an Igbo campaigning for urhobo and itshekiri or Edo to join Biafra? while I don't hate them, I don't want them also.

my point is Ipob already included them and many of them hate the oodua republic idea while having no dream of their own. It follows that the available which is Biafra could become desirable for them.

Armaggedon:
That's not the point. Igbos don't need them. Ever seen an Igbo campaigning for urhobo and itshekiri or Edo to join Biafra? while I don't hate them, I don't want them also.

my point is Ipob already included them and many of them hate the oodua republic idea while having no dream of their own. It follows that the available which is Biafra could become desirable for them.

Ok let me enlighten you, Edo is fully independent and already agitating. And when we feel the time is right we will make it public. Even though most parts of SS do not agitate it not enough reason to force them into your biafra.
I see kanu as wasting his time, have you seen the way SS people insults IPOB? Making it vehemently clear they are not interested in a mini Nigeria

valirex:



Ok let me enlighten you, Edo is fully independent and already agitating. And when we feel the time is right we will make it public. Even though most parts of SS do not agitate it not enough reason to force them into your biafra.
I see kanu as wasting his time, have you seen the way SS people insults IPOB? Making it vehemently clear they are not interested in a mini Nigeria

That's what you think which is in fact not correct. We are not known and have never been known throughout history to force people. If they opt out via a referendum we let them be. southern Cameroon did so. Today nobody remembers they were ever part of eastern region except themselves b'cos of their plight. I don't need to go down the history lane but you must know that while it's easy to say SS minorities did this or that, it's not so in reality. The Ijaw, kalabari, okirika, ibani on one hand and efik, Ibibio, annang and ogoja have mixed with their Igbo neighbours so much for one to believe they will reject Biafra and opt for any other arrangement. moreover they have their people in Ipob. forget the online rejection, the decisive moment will prove.

The way you guys make your calculations on Niger delta republic makes me believe you actually think there will be a time when all Nigerian ethnic groups will be given a chance to choose what they want. I don't think so. It is those who challenge the oppressor that the oppressor calls for negotiations.

Armaggedon:
That's not the point. Igbos don't need them. Ever seen an Igbo campaigning for urhobo and itshekiri or Edo to join Biafra? while I don't hate them, I don't want them also.

my point is Ipob already included them and many of them hate the oodua republic idea while having no dream of their own. It follows that the available which is Biafra could become desirable for them.

Crack me