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Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by lawani: 10:01pm On May 25, 2020 |
bright007:No, the language was spoken by the royalty, soldiers, judges, and all empire builders. They even went as far as naming new towns like agenebode a Yoruba name. Ago onibode means outpost of the sentry in Yoruba. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by gregyboy(m): 10:04pm On May 25, 2020 |
lawani: Lawani..... You need sleep |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by bright007(f): 10:06pm On May 25, 2020 |
lawani: This assertion can only be manufactured by your redundant brain. Sorry it really hurt to know Yorubas worked as slaves in the Benin kingdom. I know you cant take it. But pls dont drink sniper. |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by YauYamba: 10:27pm On May 25, 2020 |
@bright007, this is in reply to your 9:32pm comment. I'm not sure why you (or the mod who banned me) were worried about my evidence-based contents. ![]()
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Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by YauYamba: 10:29pm On May 25, 2020 |
bright007: Sure, anyone following would have noticed how you wish the evidence I provided didn't exist, and how you wish that I was banned. Lol. |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by YauYamba: 10:32pm On May 25, 2020 |
bright007: bright007: (1) Your hypocricy is disgraceful only to your own self. Your article obviously made it clear that it was unsure and uncertain if the said Yoruba-speaking slaves were actually Yorubas ethnically, or peopele from a different ethnic group who have only adopted the Yoruba language, e.g. the "Baribas". Your article admitted this. So, stop pretending. Moreover, I am still amazed as to how a handful of slaves could have influenced the Benin King, his chiefs, and the whole Kingdom into adopting a foreign language -- Yoruba language. They even managed the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom. Logically then, the respective events of my article is clearly and obviously different and distinct from the event of your article. The events of my article shows that Yorubas were administrators in Benin Kingdom, and that Yoruba language became Benin kingdom's lingua-franca. This is in sharp contrast to the event of your own article which admits that the said Yoruba speakers here are possibly not Yorubas ethnically. And that they were enslaved not employed as administrators. Big difference! Lol. In sum, both articles speaks to different and distinct events obviously. Open up your mind. Lol. (2) See attached for how Ibadan forces sacked and slave-raided territories of your Benin Kingdom. From R.E. Bradbury himself. 1 Like
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Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by bright007(f): 11:13pm On May 25, 2020 |
YauYamba: What's your argument exactly? The article clearly states that these slaves were Yoruba! And the uncertainty has to do with " if they were from Oyo". Pls read. Pls desist from saying the oba , the chiefs and the soldiers spoke Yoruba as no where in the article did it say the lies you are propagating. It was the Lucumies that were Yoruba that spoke the language. So there was no language influence whatsoever. Pls use your brain. How can slaves influence their master to the extent the Oba and chiefs changes their language? Common sense should tell you that the reason the Lucumies were speaking Yoruba was because they didn't understand the language of the Oba and the indigenous people. I will respond to your last propaganda in due time
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Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by YauYamba: 11:30pm On May 25, 2020 |
bright007: Baribas are obviously not Yorubas ethnically. Anyone who have read one relevant book on the subject should know. In other words, your article's mention of "Yoruba" there is in reference to people who speak Yoruba generally (not necessarily people whose ethnicity is Yoruba. Its inclusion of the Baribas, for example, gives this away quickly. And your article clearly expresses its doubt and uncertainty as to whether or not the Yorubas proper (i.e. Yourubas ethnically) were among those slaves. Once again, free your mind and read carefully below: Your article obviously made it clear that it was unsure and uncertain if the said Yoruba-speaking slaves were actually Yorubas ethnically, or peopele from a different ethnic group who have only adopted the Yoruba language, e.g. the "Baribas". Your article admitted this. So, stop pretending. Moreover, I am still amazed as to how a handful of slaves could have influenced the Benin King, his chiefs, and the whole Kingdom into adopting a foreign language -- Yoruba language. They even managed the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom. Lol. Logically then, the respective events of my article is clearly and obviously different and distinct from the event of your article. The events of my article shows that Yorubas were administrators in Benin Kingdom, and that Yoruba language became Benin kingdom's lingua-franca. This is in sharp contrast to the event of your own article which admits that the said Yoruba speakers here are possibly not Yorubas ethnically. And that they were enslaved not employed as administrators. Big difference! Lol. In sum, both articles speaks to different and distinct events obviously. Open up your mind. Lol. 1 Like
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Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by bright007(f): 11:44pm On May 25, 2020 |
YauYamba: First the writer mentioned that the Lucumies were Yoruba. Pls read that line like twenty times so you can comprehend it. Then the writer went further to list 3 types of Lucumies. 1) the main Lucumies are from Oyo ( emphasis on main) 2) lucumi bariba 3) Lucumi sabe. Now the writer say the Lucumies employed in the palace are possibly but necessarily from Oyo. As much as the writer wasn't sure if the Lucumies employed in the palace were from Oyo, he wasn't also sure they were not from Oyo. In one of the supporting documents you posted, it was specifically stated that the onukumi are a small group of eastern Yoruba people. I dont know why you are trying to separate the lucumi identity from the Yoruba at this point of the argument when you have admitted severally that they were Yorubas. Is it because you have been enlightened they were slaves in the Oba's palace? |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by YauYamba: 12:04am On May 26, 2020 |
bright007: You're only affirming my point, but your bigotry isn't letting you realize that yet. Sandoval documented to the effect that: "These "foreign Lucumies" were Yorubas, possibly but necessarily from Oyo, ..." The author (Thornton) here highlighted this clause because Sandoval himself identified three types of these foreign Lucumies -- i.e. three types of these Yorubas. The three types of such "foreign Lucumies" are Oyo, Chabe, and Barbas. But guess what Baribas (at least I know) are not Yorubas ethnically. However, a few of them sometimes adopted the Yoruba language and they speak it till date. The clarification of the word "Yorubas" as used in that context thus becomes obvious. In other word, not necessarily people whose ethnicity is Yoruba -- but people who speak the language whether by adoption or by ethnicity. So, the mention of "Yorubas" (in that particular context) could refer to any of Oyo, Chabe, or Barbas -- according to Thornton and Sandoval himself. But guess what! Your source was honest enough to say that we don't know which of these "Yorubas" is being talked about -- i.e. he doesn't know if it was Oyo, Chabe, or Barbas precisely. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by gregyboy(m): 12:34am On May 26, 2020 |
bright007: They will soon tell you, it ain't clear that the writeup is bad they can't see it properly because its blur.... But no excuse for them i got a clearer one here 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by gregyboy(m): 12:55am On May 26, 2020 |
The name lucumies was even derived from benin To refer to the yoruba people The yoruba should adopt thier original benin name and drop the hausa given forsaken name that affect you all
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Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by Moneywomen17(m): 12:59am On May 26, 2020 |
gregyboy:gregy u are the dumbest bini boy on nairaland I swear. What u posted never said lucumi was a name derives from Benin but argue that it was first heard there due to the fact that the olukumi communities lived in Benin that were into chalk production. What does olukumi mean in Bini language. Read to understand. U lack an ability to comprehend what u read 1 Like |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by bright007(f): 1:00am On May 26, 2020 |
YauYamba: Now you have agreed that the Lucumies are Yorubas as opposed to your earlier stance. We are progressing. If the Lucumies were Yorubas and they were employed to serve the Oba, how is it possible that slaves influenced the mother tongue of the king , the chiefs and the soldiers? Let your brain figure that out if it is working properly. As for the french writer, his claims are debatable and will require another independent source to corroborate it. From all the books you have read about Benin kingdom, he was the only one that made such claims despite not being the only visitor to the Benin kingdom as at that time. Many writers wrote explicitly about the Benin kingdom in great details and none ever mentioned that there was a change of language at anytime in history of the kingdom. Such an important assertion can not be proved by one wild claim. He may have met and interacted with only the slaves who run errands in the kingdom. The Oba of Benin at that as well the chiefs were not open to receiving visitors not to mention a mere missionary who was on a trip to propagate his religion. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by Moneywomen17(m): 1:08am On May 26, 2020 |
bright007:don’t know who u are but is seems u are as dumb as Gregy too. TAO11 never denied lucumi were Yoruba it was obvious. The point was relating to the scholars who said there were 3 types of lucumi from oyo, chabe or Bariba. But bariba are not Yoruba they only speak the language hence his refrence to them as also lucumi but not proper. Now the author said he wasn’t sure if the lucumi was proper lucumi which is oyo or just bariba who just speaks lucumi. No one knows for sure. With that said several sources claim that lucumis were employ as administrators in ur bini kingdom and not only that lucumi was the lingual Franca. U can do ur further research to dispute it but until u do it remains credible. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by gregyboy(m): 1:19am On May 26, 2020 |
Honorable lawani Cc: lawani Author Lawani believed olukunmi people firsf moved out from benin to settle in delta state he never one day thought otherwise he is the only author we have on nairaland he is so lazy to do research i believe he is an elderly man...... Here is the story of the olukumi people Like the hausa will say Yoruba(cunny people See the way the olukunmi people paint the whole story just to avoid the fact benin conquered them They turned the whole conquering to just migration from ondo to benin then to esan then to delta state..... And peeps like lawani got confused and misread it and felt he has seen his food Time to eat lawani..... Food is ready ooh 1 Like
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Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by gregyboy(m): 1:30am On May 26, 2020 |
Moneywomen17: Baba it is called deduction........you are the one that have reasoning and assimilation problems I didnt say the article mentioned benin gave the name olukunmi neither in my previous comment on ijesha royalty did i mention the article saying the benin crowned the ijesha king.... With the little info you read from an article you can draw your conclusion.... Your brothers have been doing same drawing off point conclusions since you didn't bother calling them names The name ijebu was gotten from benin When benin captures the ijebu people as sacrifice and throw them in the benin River and they make the sound jebuuuu.... It sweetness our heart the sacrifice were accepted and we Nickname them ijebu Olukunmi means chalk makers in benin language You didnt calk |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by Moneywomen17(m): 2:33am On May 26, 2020 |
gregyboy:ode so u admit that u are dumb and merely drawing off point conclusions. I rest my case cause nothing in the article claim Benin named the olukumi rather they were merely living there. Meanwhile it’s olukumi not olukunmi. Check the meaning in Yoruba on google cuz I don’t have time to lecture ur dumbass. There is nothing to deduce from what u posted other than the fact that olukumj were already a community in Benin who were into chalk production. If olukunmi in edo language means chalk maker. Which one is chalk and which one is maker. Meanwhile several sources already affirm that the lucumi language was the lingua Franca of Benin and this is not of point conclusion but actual fact. we also gave ur name bini. Without Yoruba ur name will not exist nor ur monarchy. Accept the bitter truth. At the bolded u need help. 3 Likes |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by Moneywomen17(m): 2:41am On May 26, 2020 |
gregyboy:u are a dumbass. The oral story matched with historical facts. According to what u posted it says the olukumi community did come from Yoruba land and were in Benin involved in chalk production and the oral story also affirms they came from Yoruba land then to Benin before going to their current location.how is that painting a picture when there is a lot of fact to back it up from multiple source including the one ur dumb self posted chai. How u manage to contradict urself in little over 2 post is why u are referred to as dumbboy the number one dumbass of Benin kingdom. Did the olukumi come from Yoruba land: YES Did they move to Benin: another Yes (and they were even involve in chalk production according to what u posted) Did they move to their current location from Benin: another huge Yes. Where was a picture painted that doesn’t match the true story. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by gregyboy(m): 2:48am On May 26, 2020 |
Moneywomen17: Dumb ass there was any yoruba influence on benin Moneywomen17 i dare you Provide me writing evidence of ife-benin connections over the 400yrs of trading with the Europeans if the french and other European could recognize lucumies in benin i don't see why ife who established benin monarchy wouldn't have been noticed or even oyo relationship with benin father(oyo) and son (benin) when the oba heads were usually taken to ife after every reign.... The truth is it never existed eweka said it for political sake to join benin under tge umbrella of yoruba and he said that our lost prince went to establish ife and not the other way around If you cant provide me with this evidence of benin-ife and oyo-benin connection make you just go sleep make other yoruba come talk better thing Watch out for my thread benin infleunce on yorubas |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by Moneywomen17(m): 2:56am On May 26, 2020 |
gregyboy:what of the ones that TAO11 has provided on eye witness account what have u done with it.. the French and Europeans recognized lucumi as ur lingua franca. Ur name bini(yoruba) ur oba (Yoruba) doesn’t mean shit in edo. Ur monarch from ife several sources wrote about it including ur own son eghraveba who got his own source straight from the king elders and chiefs of Benin. Ur gods that u worship in Benin like Ogun and co are Yoruba. Ogboni that u tried to claim another Yoruba influence. Accept the bitter truth and stop fooling ur dumb self on nairaland. 2 Likes |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by gregyboy(m): 3:11am On May 26, 2020 |
Moneywomen17: Oga dont get me wrong i can never contradict myself And i dont have time to explain any shit to you I posted that screenshot for lawani On the other hand........ Because the article said they once migrated doesn't make me believe that Olukumi is different lukunmies The Europeans reported lucumies as servants in the palace Nothing was said about olukumi If we are to believe they settle in benin and esan before finally settling at delta state you have to prove it to me....... In my mentioned i clear stated i didnt believe in thier false migration I post articles to draw dedication from the info given, i dont post articles to believe completely what The author said.... Person wen i mention understand my post. You amebo say na you know pass |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by gregyboy(m): 3:17am On May 26, 2020 |
Moneywomen17: You dont read, You and lawani na one rope tie una....... You speaking out of assumptions The scrrenshot nareate oba eweka version of Oduduwa are we to believe that or should we believe the ifes account Anyone you choose give me reasons
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Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by bright007(f): 7:16am On May 26, 2020 |
Moneywomen17: You are the dumb one here with comprehension problems. Out of the numerous writers that wrote on the Benin history, no one wrote anything about the Benin kingdom having to 1) First change its language from Edo to Yoruba 2) Then later to Edo again. If you have excellent reasoning, you would know the account of the french writer is either false, a misconception or he visited some other places he thought were part of the Benin kingdom. His statements opposes common sense on the matter on ground. If you think otherwise, how is it possible Yoruba slaves that served the king in the palace influenced the king to change his mother tongue to Yoruba? At what time did the king decide to change back to Edo language? If you cant provide this, then let common sense guide you. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by Etinosa1234: 10:19am On May 26, 2020 |
TAO11: I want YOU to provide me with evidence of decline of Latin in Europe |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by Etinosa1234: 10:24am On May 26, 2020 |
Moneywomen17: lucumi was never the lingua franca of Benin...use ur common sense |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by Etinosa1234: 10:38am On May 26, 2020 |
lawani: U talk like someone struggling with jamb |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by Etinosa1234: 10:39am On May 26, 2020 |
lawani: agenebode is not related to ago onibode... where is ur source |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by Mraphel: 12:05pm On May 26, 2020 |
Igbosmoker:I'm Igbo to tell the truth....why did the first Oba of Benin from Ife? 1 Like |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by Mraphel: 12:07pm On May 26, 2020 |
Etinosa1234:Why is it not Ogiso of Benin. Why Oba of Benin? Kindly tell me 2 Likes |
Re: Benin Was A Yoruba speaking Empire. by gregyboy(m): 12:17pm On May 26, 2020 |
Mraphel: You're igbo and you created a thread to spite igbos Mumu man Cc:Igbosmoker 1 Like 1 Share
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