solonnachi:


Should we wish him all the best?

He's our own, we've gotta support him, till the moment it's proven beyond reasonable doubt that he's indeed guilty.

solonnachi:


Should we wish him all the best?

He's our own, we've gotta support him, till the moment it's proven beyond reasonable doubt that he's indeed guilty.

komekn:


These are the things l saw years ago with one of our players who was exceptional at youth level.

Once he got into the academy these handicaps were very much exposed and l could see him struggling. He lacked a lot if the basics.

He has learned a lot now his technical ability has improved but it's not exceptional. But he has used blistering pace aggression and killer instinct to overcome and thrive.

Can he ascend to the very top only time will tell the hallmark of top class is consistency.

Just wish the young man the best. Even pros struggle adapting to modern game tactics. And, yes, he will ascend as long as he keeps soaking knowledge and working on it.

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"When you are a father, when you talk to your son or your daughter for the first time, they don't understand you," Fernandinho told The Telegraph. "Of course, you have patience and you keep talking to them and eventually they do understand.


"You tell them, 'You have to do this, you cannot do this' and, as they grow, they start to get it. Then, when they understand, they are no longer babies. They are growing up.

"That is what it is like with Pep. At first you don't understand. But then you grow up, you work and now we understand the things he wants much better. It's not like the first season when it took him more time to make us understand his ideas.

"Some players didn't understand immediately what he wanted. Everyone was learning. Now, it only takes a gesture from him and we understand. It has become easier.

I like this picture

komekn:


I cannot agree or disagree with you because l really don't not know what your unit of measurement for success is.

With youth players in England playing at U17 and or U20. You can guarantee all of them will be signed with professional clubs and predominantly in the EPL.

Somebody said here that only 3 players from the U17 team of 2015. Are playing top level and or have been successful. Those players were, KC, Victor and Isaac Success.

If we look at the England U20 team of 2017.

Dominic Solanke
Dominic Calvert-Lewin
Tega Abrahams
Tega Onomah
Oviemuno Ejaria
Ademola Lookman
Fikayo Tomori
Seyi Ojo
Kyle Walker-peters
Ainsley Maitland
Jake Liam Clarke-Salter


This is to name a few who are progressing. In sense thier has been obvious progression for all these players.

To name a few.

However, they all have existing lucrative long term professional football contracts. Some of them like Eberechi, Oviemuno, Tega, Fikayo have been outstanding. Them some are just making money well a lot of it like Solanke.

Solanke should have been dropped ny now, but smaller clubs struggle to drop a player they have spent big money on. Even when he essentially flopped. So he may be given more time and opportunity to develop.

Oga, this thing is general and England is no exception. All those players you mentioned there are more of products from the English Club academies and from different years.

Pick up the names of the English U17 national team of 2013 and tell me where each player is today. That is what we are saying.

TheSuperNerd:
Brendan Rodgers on the transformation and remoulding of Wilfred Ndidi's game


“We have been working on his technique, the simple basics of the game, passing and receiving. He takes the ball now and he understands he doesn’t need to spread the ball 60 or 70 yards — he is a continuity player. He has the ball, takes the ball and passes the ball. And when he hasn’t got it, he then uses his incredible athleticism to affect the game.

“From a tactical perspective, a lot of the work has gone into that with him. From a technical perspective, he has constantly worked on his touch and how he turns with a touch. Those little basic fundamentals of the game.”


— Brendan Rodgers on Wilfred Ndidi (The Athletic)







TheGoodJoe will definitely love this.

i love this. Dude is an hardworker.

Victor Osimhen has been officially voted Lille's Player of the Season for 2019/2020. His first season with them and already taking up this honor. What a guy.

https://twitter.com/losclive/status/1267835836114100224?s=19

Rohr gave him a mention sometime ago so the crew is definitely aware of the lad. He is certainly among the next in line to be called up soon, some games in, when international football does return.

solonnachi:


Is Rohr not seeing this boy? Abeg it's time for him to join SE. Even if he remains on bench until Musa retires, no problem but give him the benefit of doubt

Classic! Very relevant message even today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WU94jnHfTM

TheGoodJoe:




My take is that there is more appreciation of the modern game and the required technical and tactical capabilities of forwards today. Something I did not see in high capacity in Yekini.

Kanu's ability to drop deep and pull some def skills puts him ahead there. Kanu also worked with Van Gaal and Wenger, so tactically, he has to be ahead. Kanu was also a good passer of the ball and good create chances for players in offensive positions. So Yekini off.

Okocha moves to the centre but plays a bit more offensively, working with cerebral Amunike and Finidi.

Yobo played more central, even though he played at the sides some games. I will take a natural due to the the requirement of offensive contributions. Also dealing with tricky wingers.

Finally Uche goes, giving way to two defenders with high technical and tactical plays. Keshi and Taribo. Taribo as a young player dreamed and worked towards being better than Keshi. So their pairing would work well. Also, Taribo worked with Coach Monday Sinclair of Sharks FC.

Babayaro takes the left. Heck, worked with Ruud Gullit and his longevity at Chelsea.

Finito.

Wow. Kanu as preferred 9? I was thinking you'd drop Amunike instead. Well Babayaro does fit well. That attacking midfield na war o. With two beasts behind them again.

junnyjake:


I'd drop Mikel for him.

Mikel Mikel Mikel. That was hard o. Well the pairing of both he and Oliseh is gonna be huge and impenetrable to me. The defence looks okay with or without the two combined. The def will need one of them. Just that Mikel will be more disciplined to cover up the weakness of JJ if he lose the ball. But again... Oliseh and rocket shots....

TheSuperNerd:
Victor Osimhen has been officially voted Lille's Player of the Season for 2019/2020. His first season with them and already taking up this honor. What a guy.

https://twitter.com/losclive/status/1267835836114100224?s=19

Make anybody come yan dust henceforth.... We go turn Thanos vs Brock Lesnar here.... Congratulations!!

na murder u don commit to drop Yekini. Yekini is the best 9 we ever had. Kanu should be support striker.

modified.
Kanu should be in bench. na super eagles we dey talk not bestXI at club level.

modified.
what is Babayaro doing there? best Super EaglesXI?

TheGoodJoe:




My take is that there is more appreciation of the modern game and the required technical and tactical capabilities of forwards today. Something I did not see in high capacity in Yekini.

Kanu's ability to drop deep and pull some def skills puts him ahead there. Kanu also worked with Van Gaal and Wenger, so tactically, he has to be ahead. Kanu was also a good passer of the ball and good create chances for players in offensive positions. So Yekini off.

Okocha moves to the centre but plays a bit more offensively, working with cerebral Amunike and Finidi.

Yobo played more central, even though he played at the sides some games. I will take a natural due to the the requirement of offensive contributions. Also dealing with tricky wingers.

Finally Uche goes, giving way to two defenders with high technical and tactical plays. Keshi and Taribo. Taribo as a young player dreamed and worked towards being better than Keshi. So their pairing would work well. Also, Taribo worked with Coach Monday Sinclair of Sharks FC.

Babayaro takes the left. Heck, worked with Ruud Gullit and his longevity at Chelsea.

Finito.

komekn:


Playing for the academy is not by any means synonymous with playing for the first team.

You should know they are not in any way or shape the same thing.

Less than 5% of the boys in Arsenal academy will
ever play for the first team. They may end up in other teams e.g. Eberechi and Oviemuno.

But it's a mighty huge mountain promotion to first team and the competition is very intense indeed.

So u are basically saying u are not on a team till u play first team minutes? That's false oga. Even U-13 means u are a player for the club

Icon4s:


Oga, this thing is general and England is no exception. All those players you mentioned there are more of products from the English Club academies and from different years.

Pick up the names of the English U17 national team of 2013 and tell me where each player is today. That is what we are saying.

Imagine comparing U17 to U20 in career progression

Subzero047:


Imagine comparing U17 to U20 in career progression

Exactly, at U20 it becomes quite easier to identify players who may better progress to senior level compared to U17.

daveP:
Do you agree?


One must drop for Finidi abeg.


That bench though....

The person that arranged this setup, does he understand the positions these players played?

What is Taribo doing as best left back?
What is Yobo doing as best Right back?
What is Okocha doing as best Right winger?

junnyjake:


He's our own, we've gotta support him, till the moment it's proven beyond reasonable doubt that he's indeed guilty.

So of my relative, friend, village brother has been charged with a crime. I should automatically support him, that doesn't resonate very well with me.

The requirements in this arbitration will not be the principle of "beyond reasonable doubt" buy rather the preponderance of evidence.

From what we have of the allegations and the awareness of our own Nigerian acceptance of systemic and institutional corruption.

Siasa has a case to answer whether he will be convicted is another thing. But to assume innocent by national sentiment is not the honorable thing to do.

BascoVanVeli:


So u are basically saying u are not on a team till u play first team minutes? That's false oga. Even U-13 means u are a player for the club

If you put it like that, you are correct.

But as a youth player at 17 you need to look at opportunity when you go to any club from its youth academy to the first team. That's the context my comments where made.

The purpose is not too remain in the youth team but to progress to the first team.

Icon4s:


Exactly, at U20 it becomes quite easier to identify players who may better progress to senior level compared to U17.

And that was a world cup winning side

Sir, it's common practice na when bestXI are put out.

Icon4s:


The person that arranged this setup, does he understand the positions these players played?

What is Taribo doing as best left back?
What is Yobo doing as best Right back?
What is Okocha doing as best Right winger?

Icon4s:


Oga, this thing is general and England is no exception. All those players you mentioned there are more of products from the English Club academies and from different years .

Pick up the names of the English U17 national team of 2013 and tell me where each player is today. That is what we are saying.

They are all from the England U20 teams in that year 2017.

In general there is progression from U17 to U20 all those players progressed from U17 to U20. So what exactly is your point ❓

The context was progression of our U17 Eaglets of 2015 and how many of them have progressed in the broader sense. But in comparison to the England U17/20.

With regards to the bold what you have described is the structure and management of youth football in Europe. Again l am a bit perplexed at what you are trying to convey.

However, in comparison in Nigeria the football clubs are not the core sources of youth players. But a plethora of predominantly private youth academies across the nation. All with different agendas around player development.

But for the sake of it I'll go through just the forwards of the England 2017 U17 and where they are barely three years later. For you to make a comparison.

Rhian Brewster (Liverpool),
Philip Foden (Manchester City),
Callum Hudson Odoi (Chelsea),
Danny Loader (Reading),
Jadon Sancho (Borussia Dortmund),
Emile Smith Rowe (Arsenal)

All of them are progressing within football at an exceptional rate particularly Jadon Sancho. Most of these names are very well known to most of us, l am sure.

Subzero047:


Imagine comparing U17 to U20 in career progression

It's not a comparison of the two but a comparison of the progression of England U17 to U20 and thier individual careers progressions.

Then looking at our U17 Eaglets progression to U20/21 in the national youth set up. And thier individual career progressions.

Not me but someone else made the observation that only 3 players from the U17 set up of 2015 have progressed in the broader sense.

Those players are KC, Victor and Isaac Success, l would add Chukwueze that makes 4 at least.

So if you make the comparison in that context it says we have a huge amount of work to do.

komekn:


They are all from the England U20 teams in that year 2017.

In general there is progression from U17 to U20 all those players progressed from U17 to U20. So what exactly is your point ❓

The context was progression of our U17 Eaglets of 2015 and how many of them have progressed in the broader sense. But in comparison to the England U17/20.

With regards to the bold what you have described is the structure and management of youth football in Europe. Again l am a bit perplexed at what you are trying to convey.

However, in comparison in Nigeria the football clubs are not the core sources of youth players. But a plethora of predominantly private youth academies across the nation. All with different agendas around player development.

But for the sake of it I'll go through just the forwards of the England 2017 U17 and where they are barely three years later. For you to make a comparison.

Rhian Brewster (Liverpool),
Philip Foden (Manchester City),
Callum Hudson Odoi (Chelsea),
Danny Loader (Reading),
Jadon Sancho (Borussia Dortmund),
Emile Smith Rowe (Arsenal)

All of them are progressing within football at an exceptional rate particularly Jadon Sancho. Most of these names are very well known to most of us, l am sure.

Obviously, we will know them

They are from England

We follow English football


3 out of the 6 you mentioned are not regular first team players


I believe if they are Nigerians, you wouldn't say they are doing well

Interesting development. I think this is good for our domestic football.


Privately-owned clubs led by Ifeanyi Ubah and Kunle Soname have moved to form a rival league on the back of their dissatisfaction with the NPFL.

Huge prize monies and live broadcast of matches have been promised to the top teams of this new league.

“We are not happy with the way the private club owners are being treated like an outcast,” said Ekene Adams of Kada City Football Club.

“We wish to seek the way forward for Nigeria football because there is nothing to write home about in the league.

“We have therefore decided to invest in our own private league.”

Adams said champions of this league will pocket 100 million Naira.

The independent league is expected to feature the likes of Remo Stars, Go Round FC and Dynamite Force of Benin.

The private clubs will have their maiden meeting Saturday in Abuja.

--ScoreNigeria

Joebie:
Interesting development. I think this is good for our domestic football.


Privately-owned clubs led by Ifeanyi Ubah and Kunle Soname have moved to form a rival league on the back of their dissatisfaction with the NPFL.

Huge prize monies and live broadcast of matches have been promised to the top teams of this new league.

“We are not happy with the way the private club owners are being treated like an outcast,” said Ekene Adams of Kada City Football Club.

“We wish to seek the way forward for Nigeria football because there is nothing to write home about in the league.

“We have therefore decided to invest in our own private league.”

Adams said champions of this league will pocket 100 million Naira.

The independent league is expected to feature the likes of Remo Stars, Go Round FC and Dynamite Force of Benin.

The private clubs will have their maiden meeting Saturday in Abuja.

--ScoreNigeria

Very very good

JayromWrites:



Obviously, we will know them

They are from England

We follow English football


3 out of the 6 you mentioned are not regular first team players


I believe if they are Nigerians, you wouldn't say they are doing well

Aside Jadon Sancho, none of those other guys are excelling at an EXCEPTIONAL rate.

Exceptional, is winning Player of the Year, on a team you joined this season, in a league, that didn't even come to a conclusion.

A bit part player, cannot be called EXCEPTIONAL. Making a few decent appearances, does not count as EXCEPTIONAL. Aside Jadon, which of them is even an actual REGULAR on their teams?

Sancho is the only exceptional player on that list, and he is most impressive, for doing it outside England, without any special treatment. The rest play for English teams, and are benefitting from the English rules that favor local players

komekn:


If you put it like that, you are correct.

But as a youth player at 17 you need to look at opportunity when you go to any club from its youth academy to the first team. That's the context my comments where made.

The purpose is not too remain in the youth team but to progress to the first team.

There is no other way to put it. He was going to sign a professional contract on his 18th birthday. There is no other way to put it.

Joebie:
Interesting development. I think this is good for our domestic football.


Privately-owned clubs led by Ifeanyi Ubah and Kunle Soname have moved to form a rival league on the back of their dissatisfaction with the NPFL.

Huge prize monies and live broadcast of matches have been promised to the top teams of this new league.

“We are not happy with the way the private club owners are being treated like an outcast,” said Ekene Adams of Kada City Football Club.

“We wish to seek the way forward for Nigeria football because there is nothing to write home about in the league.

“We have therefore decided to invest in our own private league.”

Adams said champions of this league will pocket 100 million Naira.

The independent league is expected to feature the likes of Remo Stars, Go Round FC and Dynamite Force of Benin.

The private clubs will have their maiden meeting Saturday in Abuja.

--ScoreNigeria

Same ifeanyi ubah that slapped Mikel's brother? That guy was part of the problem with the NPFL. The idea sounds great sha

Icon4s:


Oga, this thing is general and England is no exception. All those players you mentioned there are more of products from the English Club academies and from different years.

Pick up the names of the English U17 national team of 2013 and tell me where each player is today. That is what we are saying.

I tire oo

People like...
Calvert-Lewin
Abraham
Ejaria
Lookman
Tomori
Walker-Peters, etc didn't cut it in their u-17(they didn't play official match when they were at u-17) but today, they are doing better than some of those that played well for England U-17. It simply means that U-17 is not unit of measurement as they are still raw and one decision from them or agent could easily make or ruin their career. Maybe he should tell us the career progression of those that were selected in place of abovementioned names. That said.

Funny thing is that many people on the list are Nigerians and by so, it's just to say that the talent is there but the proper guidance is missing. Theres no way A nigerian Youngster will be selected by any club in England in place of English if their capabilites are at par. If Chidiebere Nwakali and Yahaya Musa were to be English, they 'd be bossing championship at worst case scenario.

Comparing the u-17 and u-20 is biased.

Environment has a big part to play too

do4luv14:


Elder you fall ma hand ooo, chaiii

he is talking about Nwakali Senior,

not the one in spain,

so ah dey wonder wonder when Rohr call up senior Chidi

My man na you fall my hand o.

Abi no be Chidiebere Nwakili again that was invited by Rohr,his invitation was discussed here extensively.

komekn:


They are all from the England U20 teams in that year 2017.

In general there is progression from U17 to U20 all those players progressed from U17 to U20. So what exactly is your point ❓

The context was progression of our U17 Eaglets of 2015 and how many of them have progressed in the broader sense. But in comparison to the England U17/20.

With regards to the bold what you have described is the structure and management of youth football in Europe. Again l am a bit perplexed at what you are trying to convey.

However, in comparison in Nigeria the football clubs are not the core sources of youth players. But a plethora of predominantly private youth academies across the nation. All with different agendas around player development.

But for the sake of it I'll go through just the forwards of the England 2017 U17 and where they are barely three years later. For you to make a comparison.

Rhian Brewster (Liverpool),
Philip Foden (Manchester City),
Callum Hudson Odoi (Chelsea),
Danny Loader (Reading),
Jadon Sancho (Borussia Dortmund),
Emile Smith Rowe (Arsenal)

All of them are progressing within football at an exceptional rate particularly Jadon Sancho. Most of these names are very well known to most of us, l am sure.

England U17 3 years ago right? Good.

In 2016 when you roll out the names of Manu's 2013 U17 you would see names like:

Kelechi Iheanacho (Manchester City)
Taiwo Awoniyi (Liverpool)
Musa Yahaya (Tottenham Hotspurs)
Chidi Nwakali (Manchester City)
Chidera Ezeh (FC Porto)
Isaac Success (FC Grenada)

Such was how they started, just like those your English boys, until a gradual regression started setting in.
Watch those your England U17 players and come back to this Argument in 4/5yrs time.