AntiChristian:


I already requested for the full gist from you. Post the full story here where such attrocity was commited. Not half-truths and falsehoods.

I included the reference. It's your number one authentic Hadith, if you feel the story is not complete enough direct your frustration to Bukhari not me

AntiChristian:



You mentioned hypocrite abi? Who is an hypocrite?

Yes I mentioned deceiver, Allah is the deceiver and I included the part where Allah was boasting in your Quran that he is the "best of the deceivers" (makrina)

We all know that Satan is the best of the deceivers, the father of lies. And now that Allah has claimed to be the same. Then Allah is Satan and Satan is Allah!

sagenaija:
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What you have just shown is is how deceptive Allah and islam are.

And Christianity is not dubious from those Bible verses I quoted right? Hypocrite is your name. However, you are still required to explain those bible verses I quoted to you.

sagenaija:
The Koran says:
"Anyone who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." - Chapter 16:106

Exactly, this is important. There is no compulsion in Islam. If anyone forces me and is a threat to my life, I will denounce Islam in my mouth but never in my heart. So how does this say we should lie as we like without compulsion?

As a Christian you should die for what you belief right?

sagenaija:
“Let believers (Moslems) not take for friends and allies infidels (non-Moslems) instead of believers. Whoever does this shall have no relationship left with Allah – unless you guard yourselves against them, taking precautions.” Chapter 3:28

Is this saying we should lie too? And what infidels are being referred to? This is a deliberate misinterpretation from you just like Boko Haram misinterprets!

sagenaija:

Islam says Mohamed is your model so follow his example. Right?
Mohamed said:
Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"  Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?"  The Prophet said, "Yes."  Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab)."  The Prophet said, "You may say it."
Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369

What happened before and after this? Bring us the full gist as I had require. The onus is on you to substantiate your assertion!

sagenaija:

So, AntiChristian, when we put the above with the others you posted IT IS VERY CLEAR that there is CONTRADICTION in Islam. On what basis do you want to accept one side and reject the other?
How do you live so much contradictions? One way is by looking for the same in Christianity. You do this so that you can satisfy yourselves as Moslems that since it is not only your religion that has flaws then it's alright to live with Islam's glaring distortions. That is why you always seek to answer questions about Islam by going to the Bible.
But that doesn't remove the FACT that in the Koran Allah is said to be the best of deceivers. So, Allah sets out to deceive. Mohamed exemplified it. You now justify it.

The contradictions you created for yourself. There is none in the Qur'an. You may keep looking. Why did you run away from explaining the full gist behing that hadith. That will surely expose your lies!

And mind you I answered you succinctly before moving to your Bible which you have failed to explain.

sagenaija:

Jesus on the hand says he is the TRUTH. There is no ambiguity or lie in him. He is our example. I know that you've tried to disparage Jesus, all in a bid to pacify yourself in line with what I stated above.
The REALITY is that Mohamed used lies and deceit to forster his agenda. It's all there in Islamic sources. Since his Allah approved of it and encouraged him on it we can conclude that his morals are no better than those of Mohamed. Mohamed's snatching of Zaynab from Zayd is a classic example of deception and lying in which Allah was complicit.

You may say whatever you like about Islam, Allah, etc. I once practiced Christianity heartily. I have seen what I ought to see. I pray I die in Islam with the mercy of Allah!

Jesus can't save himself! And i don't think i will ever worship one who can be killed by the creations he created!

AntiChristian:


And Christianity is not dubious from those Bible verses I quoted right? Hypocrite is your name. However, you are still required to explain those bible verses I quoted to you.



Exactly, this is important. There is no compulsion in Islam. If anyone forces me and is a threat to my life, I will denounce Islam in my mouth but never in my heart. So how does this say we should lie as we like without compulsion?

As a Christian you should die for what you belief right?



Is this saying we should lie too? And what infidels are being referred to? This is a deliberate misinterpretation from you just like Boko Haram misinterprets!



What happened before and after this? Bring us the full gist as I had require. The onus is on you to substantiate your assertion!



The contradictions you created for yourself. There is none in the Qur'an. You may keep looking. Why did you run away from explaining the full gist behing that hadith. That will surely expose your lies!

And mind you I answered you succinctly before moving to your Bible which you have failed to explain.



You may say whatever you like about Islam, Allah, etc. I once practiced Christianity heartily. I have seen what I ought to see. I pray I die in Islam with the mercy of Allah!

Jesus can't save himself! And i don't think i will ever worship one who can be killed by the creations he created!

dis last part is funny o!
maybe I'm wrong, but I tot d Bible says Jesus WILLINGLY gave himself up? as in a disciple cutting someone's ear and Jesus stopping dem- dt quote, live by d sword, die by d sword.
meanwhile-
all those killing in d name of their god, r d gods handicapped?!
& I'm sure ur aware dt most of d Islamic nations today were by conquest, so which one is "There is no compulsion in Islam"? how does dt work- especially with things like honor killings, "blood of baboon & dog", etc?

AntiChristian:


It's different but you may not see it. Calling my wife honey/sugar, doesn't really means she's "honey/Sugar"!

shu!
how can u compare terms of endearment to lying?!
Haba!
abeg, use sensible example jare!

advocatejare:

Yes I mentioned deceiver, Allah is the deceiver and I included the part where Allah was boasting in your Quran that he is the "best of the deceivers" (makrina)

We all know that Satan is the best of the deceivers, the father of lies. And now that Allah has claimed to be the same. Then Allah is Satan and Satan is Allah!

oboy, dis one gidi gaan o...

DZTech:
oboy, dis one gidi gaan o...

2Cor.11.14 - And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
2Cor.11.15 - It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

They have been serving Satan since. It's been prophesied in the Scriptures more than 500years before Muhammad was born that demons disguise as the servant of the most high God.

That was the same demon that appeared to Muhammad in the cave and Muhammad thought he saw an angel of God

DZTech:
shu!
how can u compare terms of endearment to lying?!
Haba!
abeg, use sensible example jare!

If you are sensible you would have got the gist. Just because everyone use them as words of endearment doesn't make every one a liar right?

So in essence I call honey "honey" and I can also call my wife honey though she ain't honey!

I can also call her Angel despite the fact that she ain't no Angel!

Who gave us this rule? And why do you accept it as not lie and call the Islamic one a liar?

AntiChristian:


If you are sensible you would have got the gist. Just because everyone use them as words of endearment doesn't make every one a liar right?

So in essence I call honey "honey" and I can also call my wife honey though she ain't honey!

I can also call her Angel despite the fact that she ain't no Angel!

Who gave us this rule? And why do you accept it as not lie and call the Islamic one a liar?

na wa o...
use sensible example, u say if I get sense?
na so?
u want to equate calling a woman honey, with saying an innocent person stole?
lalasticlala, which kind thinking b dis one?!

DZTech:
na wa o...
use sensible example, u say if I get sense?
na so?
u want to equate calling a woman honey, with saying an innocent person stole?
lalasticlala, which kind thinking b dis one?!

What other example do you want? You call your loved ones honey and you call it endearment.
I asked who made it so but you can't say!

There are very few justifications for lying in Islam. The Prophet sallallaahu`alayhi wa sallam (may Allah exalt his mention) directed us to tell the truth, even under the harshest circumstances of oppression. However, one may choose not to tell the truth when:

* He is being oppressed and there is a real danger to his life if he speaks the truth. Shaykh As-Sa'di may Allah have mercy upon him narrated the following story: "A cruel king ordered an innocent villager present in his court to be executed due to the villager's lack of manners. Hearing this, the villager began cursing the king in his native language. The king asked his minister, who understood the man's language, to tell him what the man was saying. The wise minister, instead of telling the truth, told the king that the man was sorry for his conduct and was praising his greatness and pleading for his mercy. The king was affected and therefore spared the life of the innocent villager." Shaykh As-Sa'di called this: "A lie with wisdom."

* To promote harmony between spouses. For example, if one's wife asks him if she is beautiful or if he loves her, there is no harm in answering in the affirmative, even if this is not the case.

* While making peace between two quarrelling parties, so that the ordeal would not ignite into something worse. The mediator in such a case may falsely tell one party that the other is speaking highly of them.

* To make the unbelievers realize the truth. When Prophet Ibraaheem, may Allah exalt his mention, broke all the idols except the largest of them, the unbelievers entered the temple and saw the smashed idols. Ibraaheem, may Allah exalt his mention, had placed the axe in the hand of the chief idol. The disbelievers asked: "Who broke our gods?" He, may Allah exalt his mention, said: "Ask the chief idol, he has the axe." They replied: "Do you not know that he cannot speak or act?" Ibraaheem, may Allah exalt his mention, replied: "This is what I have been telling you, so worship Allah rather than these stones that cannot harm or profit you."

I think you should now bring the justification for lying in Christianity

AntiChristian:


There are very few justifications for lying in Islam. The Prophet sallallaahu`alayhi wa sallam (may Allah exalt his mention) directed us to tell the truth, even under the harshest circumstances of oppression. However, one may choose not to tell the truth when:

* "A lie with wisdom."

* To promote harmony between spouses. For example, if one's wife asks him if she is beautiful or if he loves her, there is no harm in answering in the affirmative, even if this is not the case.

*The mediator in such a case may falsely tell one party that the other is speaking highly of them.

*"This is what I have been telling you, so worship Allah rather than these stones that cannot harm or profit you."

I think you should now bring the justification for lying in Christianity

Thank you for ADMITTING that it is allowed in Islam for the Moslem to tell lies.

Many of your Moslem brothers here will find it very hard to admit that.

In case it has not occurred to you, ANY of the reasons you mentioned can be "applied" in any way by any Moslem to justify lying in ANY situation or circumstance.

At the end of the day then TAQIYA is a Moslem practice, pure and simple.

Then on the issue of STONES: How come when you go on pilgrimage to Mecca you KISS black stones? Why was it wrong for others but good for you?

sagenaija:

Thank you for ADMITTING that it is allowed in Islam for the Moslem to tell lies.

Many of your Moslem brothers here will find it very hard to admit that.

In case it has not occurred to you, ANY of the reasons you mentioned can be "applied" in any way by any Moslem to justify lying in ANY situation or circumstance.

At the end of the day then TAQIYA is a Moslem practice, pure and simple.

Then on the issue of STONES: How come when you go on pilgrimage to Mecca you KISS black stones? Why was it wrong for others but good for you?

Say anything you wish O Christian! Anything I say here that can be used against Islam is true to you.

Anything I say that can't be used is falsehood to you.

I think this thread is about stones too right?

What about the lies I told you all to explain from the Bible?

AntiChristian:

Say anything you wish O Christian! Anything I say here that can be used against Islam is true to you.
Anything I say that can't be used is falsehood to you.
I think this thread is about stones too right?
What about the lies I told you all to explain from the Bible?

This thread is more about Kabah stones than the Bible issues you are trying to bring up.

The Koran condemned the idolators for taking stones as objects of veneration and worship.

Yet Mohamed kissed the black stone in the Kabah to the dismay of even his companions.

Today Moslems do the same because of what Mohamed did. And ALL these in direct contradiction to what the Koran says.

Here again is an example of what we say about the contradictions in Islam and how Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth.

sagenaija:

This thread is more about Kabah stones than the Bible issues you are trying to bring up.

The Koran condemned the idolators for taking stones as objects of veneration and worship.

Yet Mohamed kissed the black stone in the Kabah to the dismay of even his companions.

Today Moslems do the same because of what Mohamed did. And ALL these in direct contradiction to what the Koran says.

Here again is an example of what we say about the contradictions in Islam and how Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth.

So if a Christian kisses the Bible then he's worshipping it?

AntiChristian:

So if a Christian kisses the Bible then he's worshipping it?

There is no directive in the Bible for that UNLIKE your Koran than EXPLICITLY condemned the idolators for taking stones as objects of veneration and worship YET Moslems still KISS stones.

What an irony. What a hypocrisy.

I hope you see things clearly now.

sagenaija:

There is no directive in the Bible for that UNLIKE your Koran than EXPLICITLY condemned the idolators for taking stones as objects of veneration and worship YET Moslems still KISS stones.

What an irony. What a hypocrisy.

I hope you see things clearly now.

So if a man kisses his wife na worship right? You're not making sense at all except to your ilks Sha!

AntiChristian:


So if a man kisses his wife na worship right? You're not making sense at all except to your ilks Sha!

Many reading this thread will be laughing at you right now.

First, you move from one thing to another. Then you are now equating kissing your wife with kissing of stones. Bravo!

And you think you're making sense?

Your wife is a human being. The stone is inanimate. If a man kisses his wife anywhere which NORMAL human being will consider that ridiculous? If the same man kisses a stone or pillar or concrete, how many people will clap for him? Maybe you, AntiChristian, will hail him and consider what he has done beautiful. But majority will think he's out of his mind.

That's what ONLY someone with a TWISTED mind will do. That is why stone worshipping was decried in the Bible. But maybe that's what excites you.

AntiChristian:


What other example do you want? You call your loved ones honey and you call it endearment.
I asked who made it so but you can't say!

There are very few justifications for lying in Islam. The Prophet sallallaahu`alayhi wa sallam (may Allah exalt his mention) directed us to tell the truth, even under the harshest circumstances of oppression. However, one may choose not to tell the truth when:

* He is being oppressed and there is a real danger to his life if he speaks the truth. Shaykh As-Sa'di may Allah have mercy upon him narrated the following story: "A cruel king ordered an innocent villager present in his court to be executed due to the villager's lack of manners. Hearing this, the villager began cursing the king in his native language. The king asked his minister, who understood the man's language, to tell him what the man was saying. The wise minister, instead of telling the truth, told the king that the man was sorry for his conduct and was praising his greatness and pleading for his mercy. The king was affected and therefore spared the life of the innocent villager." Shaykh As-Sa'di called this: "A lie with wisdom."

* To promote harmony between spouses. For example, if one's wife asks him if she is beautiful or if he loves her, there is no harm in answering in the affirmative, even if this is not the case.

* While making peace between two quarrelling parties, so that the ordeal would not ignite into something worse. The mediator in such a case may falsely tell one party that the other is speaking highly of them.

* To make the unbelievers realize the truth. When Prophet Ibraaheem, may Allah exalt his mention, broke all the idols except the largest of them, the unbelievers entered the temple and saw the smashed idols. Ibraaheem, may Allah exalt his mention, had placed the axe in the hand of the chief idol. The disbelievers asked: "Who broke our gods?" He, may Allah exalt his mention, said: "Ask the chief idol, he has the axe." They replied: "Do you not know that he cannot speak or act?" Ibraaheem, may Allah exalt his mention, replied: "This is what I have been telling you, so worship Allah rather than these stones that cannot harm or profit you."

I think you should now bring the justification for lying in Christianity

so, to summarise-
taqqiyah is d justification of lies?
ok, case closed.
10q

DZTech:
so, to summarise-
taqqiyah is d justification of lies?
ok, case closed.
10q

Case not closed yet. You shouldn't be one sided here. In all fairness you should justify the verse below. I hope you won't be an hypocrite now!

Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

We have it in...

1 Kings 22:20-22
And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
" 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Here we see that the man said that he would resort to lying in order to entice Ahab and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it!

We even have it in...

Ezekiel 14:9-11
" 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "

God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place? Isn't that entrapment?

Another passage...

Isaiah 37:6-7
Isaiah said to them, "Tell your master, 'This is what the LORD says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard-those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! I am going to put a spirit in him so that when he hears a certain report, he will return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword.'

God had that spirit spread a rumor so that the King of Assyria can to return to his homeland. In short, that spirit's purpose was for deception.

Another example from the Bible...

Isaiah 19:14
The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.

Here we see God deceiving people to the extent that they become absolutely foolish.

Even though I don't believe the Gospels teach that Jesus taught he was God, however this example is for those who believe that Jesus is God. Jesus admits that he was speaking figuratively all this time...

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Also in...

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?

sagenaija:

Many reading this thread will be laughing at you right now.

First, you move from one thing to another. Then you are now equating kissing your wife with kissing of stones. Bravo!

And you think you're making sense?

Your wife is a human being. The stone is inanimate. If a man kisses his wife anywhere which NORMAL human being will consider that ridiculous? If the same man kisses a stone or pillar or concrete, how many people will clap for him? Maybe you, AntiChristian, will hail him and consider what he has done beautiful. But majority will think he's out of his mind.

That's what ONLY someone with a TWISTED mind will do. That is why stone worshipping was decried in the Bible. But maybe that's what excites you.

People would laugh...do you expect them to cry?
Kissing does not mean worship anywhere. When you worship do you kiss Jesus?

You may equate kissing of stones to kissing of the cross or bowing to the graven image of Jesus & Mary as practiced by the Catholics! Na you Sabi!
Alhamdulillah, Allah is not a stone. He is present everywhere by His knowledge.

Abeg stop fooling around mentioning me with useless lies and flimsy argument.

AntiChristian:


People would laugh...do you expect them to cry?
Kissing does not mean worship anywhere. When you worship do you kiss Jesus?

You may equate kissing of stones to kissing of the cross or bowing to the graven image of Jesus & Mary as practiced by the Catholics! Na you Sabi!
Alhamdulillah, Allah is not a stone. He is present everywhere by His knowledge.

Abeg stop fooling around mentioning me with useless lies and flimsy argument.

Let us make it simple.
Tell us what does kissing of stones mean?

Where did I mention you with "useless lies or flimsy argument"?

sagenaija:

Let us make it simple.
Tell us what does kissing of stones mean?

Where did I mention you with "useless lies or flimsy argument"?

All this you argument of Kissing of stone as worshiping stone is what?

‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allah be pleased with him) said, when he kissed the Black Stone: I know that you are a stone and have no power to harm or benefit; were it not that I saw the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) kissing you, I would not have kissed you.

This is the Muslim belief regarding the stone.

AntiChristian:

All this you argument of Kissing of stone as worshiping stone is what?
‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allah be pleased with him) said, when he kissed the Black Stone: I know that you are a stone and have no power to harm or benefit; were it not that I saw the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) kissing you, I would not have kissed you.
This is the Muslim belief regarding the stone.

So that we don't misunderstand you please simply tell us: Why did Mohamed and by extension Moslems today kiss the black stone?

Why do you still kiss it even when al-khattab said it has no power to harm or benefit?

Did Mohamed have the same understanding as al-khattab?

sagenaija:

This thread is more about Kabah stones than the Bible issues you are trying to bring up.

The Koran condemned the idolators for taking stones as objects of veneration and worship.

Yet Mohamed kissed the black stone in the Kabah to the dismay of even his companions.

Today Moslems do the same because of what Mohamed did. And ALL these in direct contradiction to what the Koran says.

Here again is an example of what we say about the contradictions in Islam and how Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth.

I just saw dis! is it 4 real?!

AntiChristian:


[b]Case not closed yet. You shouldn't be one sided here. In all fairness you should justify the verse below. I hope you won't be an hypocrite now!

bros, y derailing dis thread na
open thread make Christians answer u, abi?
I asked to get insight, u don confam d mata.
but sagenaija don add d one wey weak me.
kindly explain beta, tan q.

AntiChristian:


I think I have answered you above. Now to show you Christians what you see not in your books. It's not derailing.

You have a quite interesting username. Do you believe in Jihad and Jihadist?

Do

AiteeAitee:

You have a quite interesting username. Do you believe in Jihad and Jihadist?

Of cos I do. Jihad means " to strive". And I'm a Jihadists cos I strive to be better and to resist oppression!

DZTech:
bros, y derailing dis thread na
open thread make Christians answer u, abi?
I asked to get insight, u don confam d mata.
but sagenaija don add d one wey weak me.
kindly explain beta, tan q.

See hypocrisy! You can't answer the Taqiyah in your Bible which is the topic of this thread and you want me to answer about stones which is out of the thread.

Permit me to label you a full hypocrite!

The topic of the thread is Taqiyah. And I have explain the Islamic perspective. You should explain the verses of the Bible that promotes lies and deceit in the Bible.

AntiChristian:


See hypocrisy! You can't answer the Taqiyah in your Bible which is the topic of this thread and you want me to answer about stones which is out of the thread.

Permit me to label you a full hypocrite!

The topic of the thread is Taqiyah. And I have explain the Islamic perspective. You should explain the verses of the Bible that promotes lies and deceit in the Bible.

na wa for confusion o.

na so e dey hard u to open topic?

and ur claiming d concept of taqiyah is in Christianity?!

but, where did u c Jesus telling his followers to lie, or making excuse for dem lying?

truth, truth wey him shout taya? ur mata get as e be o. abi, shey him for lie, make dem free am na...

also, can u kindly separate Judaism from Christianity? it will help u wit sum clarity, k?

DZTech:
na wa for confusion o.

na so e dey hard u to open topic?

and ur claiming d concept of taqiyah is in Christianity?!

but, where did u c Jesus telling his followers to lie, or making excuse for dem lying?

truth, truth wey him shout taya? ur mata get as e be o. abi, shey him for lie, make dem free am na...

also, can u kindly separate Judaism from Christianity? it will help u wit sum clarity, k?

1. Now bring out the verses for tithe in the new testament.

You may as well explain the reason Jesus did speak figuratively from below:

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Also in...

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?

AntiChristian:


1. Now bring out the verses for tithe in the new testament.

You may as well explain the reason Jesus did speak figuratively from below:

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Also in...

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?

start topic, u refuse.
now na parables u dey fight, abi?
I asked u to quote Jesus giving reasons y his follower can tell lies, u dodge am.
isok, continue.
if u want answers, open topic to ask nairaland, make people answer u.
abi u dey fear?

DZTech:
start topic, u refuse.
now na parables u dey fight, abi?
I asked u to quote Jesus giving reasons y his follower can tell lies, u dodge am.
isok, continue.
if u want answers, open topic to ask nairaland, make people answer u.
abi u dey fear?

No worry, I never get your time.