macof:



Suzanne Blier doesn't state anything that justifies your semitic origin claim
So stop mentioning her work
I've read all her works so I know

PS. Phoenicians did not invade West Africa, a carthaginian (a North African colony of the phoenicians) Explorer called Hanno sailed across the coast of west africa and had little contact with some kingdoms and settlements in modern Senegal/Guinea

Next time give the correct information and stop trying to twist things

Also contact is not same as origin Dumbass
That the carthaginians sailed to West Africa and saw people there means West Africans have been here
So what is the basis of mentioning this?

You can lie ., I just wonder, where you got the information from me that I mentioned that, Susan Blier mentioned ‘Near East' origin of Anyone in Yoruba land. All I have mentioned about you times without number, is that you are full of rhetorics,which shows that you're not conversant with books reading.

What has been constantly posited is that , she emphatically stated that a newer group invaded the present day IleIfe and impose their own form of worship. It is that simple.

In her book she says, “
Present-day scholars of Yoruba religion such as Idowu (p. 23) and Awolalu (p. 27) see the city as developing its political and religious primacy as a result of the arrival of a militarily powerful group of foreigners who were part of a distant branch of the Yoruba people. Un- fortunately the name of the leader of this group is not known, because in the accounts his identity is subsumed by that of his patron deity, Odudua.19 At the time of the arrival of this outsider and his party, Ife was occupied by an indigenous people who were under the leadership of a hunter named Ore (Oreluere).

Not surprisingly, the original inhabitants of Ife do not appear to have supported this foreigner, "Odudua," in his attempts to gain control of the city. This foreign ruler was, however, by all accounts a strong and politically effective leader. One of his most important decisions was to establish a series of marriage alliances with the local populace. Accordingly, both he and his party married indigenous women "of the land," in order to create a new generation of Ife residents who, in Idowu's words (p. 24), "... . would be at home in both worlds . . . people who were without bitterness towards either of the opposing parties." In the course of these marriages, the new ruler fathered a number of children, many of whom eventually set out to found their own dynasties in other Yoruba states."

Obviously, you and your likes failed to realised that, odudua( Dawaodu) and his group are strangers,who were migrants and need not married into the local if they are part of the cosmopolitan city.

Questions:
1a. Are you even aware how a newer ruler or dynasty deal with the aboriginal when such city is conquered ? You make me laugh!

b.Are you even aware the crown, of Yoruba are Near Prototype ?

c. Are you aware birds significantly appear in Near East culture as Yoruba's ? These questions can never be answered by you! .


Secondly ,non of you that claimed Odudua and his group are from Aboriginal group have shown where Odudua ancestors and his groups ancestors migrated from in Niger Benue Confluence. As someone through a professor's view, has posited it, “Bowel of IleIfe".

Thirdly, Egyptians and Phoenicians did invaded West Africa, in search of Slaves, Gold, Ivory, incense, and other minerals. Please read ( Cf Boshoff & Scheffer 2008:38, Clark 1970: 15,219, Lange 2004:277, 279, Le Roux 2008: 7)


Base on the above information, I am waiting patiently to know where “my ancestors" migrated from in that Niger Benue Confluence.


Lastly, you're just too ignorant and emotional over outdated information. as I have emphasized severally because the book I referred was “Religion and Art in Ile-Ife Suzanne Preston Blier", which was written in 2012. Two years after Professor Akintoye's book.

macof:


1. Be more coherent, stop trying to use English that you can't use in order to seem articulate.
I can barely understand what you are trying to say
So I would rather not assume on what you could have meant here

2. Amazement, fascination.. That is what draws people to pseudohistory. A historian such as myself would not take what someone obviously made up as history
I didn't say sultan Bello's made up story is ethnically biased, nobody says that in the historical community
The question was simple... Why take the story of a fulani over what the Yoruba people say about themselves?

3. Nothing connects Opa Oranmiyan with sultan Bello's story of yoruba origin.
You just talk too much and eventually talk off point

4. Yoruba also have traditional and ritual scarification patterns.. If you like argue.. Let me embarass you again

You are yet to prove that yoruba religion was brought from the near East. Claims and more claims but no substance.
You would tell us where in the near east they have 16 primary Odu-Ifa and a total of 256 Odu, where Ogun laakaye depicted as a black man with raffia leaves is worshiped in the near East, where they have masquerades like egungun, gelede etc in the near east, where there is the philosophy of Orí, where placing sacrifice on 3 way junctions exists in the near east
Where our Irunmole and Orisa and the stories around them exist in the near east


5. Since you have no evidence to present here why then do you expect sensible people to take you seriously? Wait till you finish your book and present all the evidence you failed to present here in the book.
You make claims that you are not willing to prove and get angry when called out lmao
What exactly is that. You should

6. Yoruba Language is not the same as Egyptian coptic language. If a Yoruba man were spoken to or give a text in coptic language, he would not understand a thing
Yoruba was used extensively in many parts of the lower Guinea as a lingua franca.
How does Yoruba being spoken in the Bini and Dahomean courts relate to Yoruba being of semitic origin?
Stop going off topic

Lol. Deceit js what you know how to do. So, I won't answer your question to pick more Hebrew words from me. But I will post what and when I desire. So, stop behaving as unread person.

1. What is the Yoruba story ? Please explain beyond incoherent information of descending from Heaven . You people aren't realists! Well, my ancestor in my Oriki mentioned Oru as their place of origin, Am I also from Heaven ?

2. Bro macof you skip information nos: 2! Are you under pressure ? !

3. I didn't mentioned Sultan Bello says, Opa Orammiyah in his account. You and lie are like 5&6. Interestingly other scholars who have more knowledge on Egyptians hieroglyphs did research on it and they realised it wasn't built by Egyptians elite nor its type found in Sub Sahara,although Ibos have a pyramid, which is similar to the one found in Egypt. So, the conclusion as at that time, was that there are characters on the Opa Oranmiyan. Deal with it

4. Yoruba's Ifaodu is written in Torah as Eyphod or Ephod. Google can help you find the proposed meaning of it on Wikipedia.

b. Pick up books to know that shrines in Near East of ancient Hebrew did built alter as Yoruba people did in the past. Google will help you solve this small issue.

c. Ask people who have gone to Kaaba in Mecca,how they enter it and compare it with Yoruba's Awo's entry into a shrine . olodo lasan li e.


5. Wait for it. Do you expect me to give away a super information that has taken me years on a platform as this? Certainly not but I share the little with all of you to prepare your mind,so that you will know the wonderful information on Yoruba ancestors and their legacy.

b. Nah, I am not the angry type but you. Trust me, I can only posit my information based on my findings. So far, I have no reason to be angry because my work is true and will hit the stall in the near future.

6. Yoruba language is Coptic Egyptian's in the same way you found it in Bini, Dahomey. What is Coptic Language ? it is a ritual ancient Christian language that was spoken in Egypt at a time in history. Bro,try to learn how to juxtapose with civility and uprightness. Below are:

COPTIC EGYPTIAN'S IN COMPARISON WITH LANGUAGE YORUBA COGNATE

1. Egypt. Wu (rise)
Yoruba: Wu (rise)

2. Egypt: Akhat(calendar, season, period)
Yoruba : Wakati (time, period, season)

3. Egypt: Eaure (Python / Serpent)
Yoruba: Ere (gigantic snake,python/ Serpent)

4. Egypt: HOrise (a great god)
Yoruba: Orisha,risha,oritse,orise (a great god,ancestors, head, patrilineal or matrilineal ancestors)


5. Egypt: group of worshiper Sen (group of worshipers)
Yoruba: Sin,Si,sen (assemblage of worshippers to worship)


6. Egypt: Ged (to chant)
Yoruba: Ogede, Igede (a chant)

7. Egypt:Ta (sell / offer)
Yoruba: Ta (sell/offer)

8. Egypt: Sueg (a fool)
Yoruba: Suegbe (a fool)

9. Egypt: On ( living person)
Yoruba: One ( living person)

10. Egypt: Kum (a club)
Yoruba: Kumo( a club)

11. Egypt:Enru (fear / terrible)
Yoruba: Eru (fear / terrible

12. Egypt: Kun / qun (brave man)
Yoruba: Okun, Ekun (,strength, bold, brave man)


13. Egypt: Odonit (festival)
Yoruba: Odon , odun (festival)

14. Egypt: Ma or mi (to breath)
Yoruba : mae, Mi (to breathe )

15.Egypt: Tebu (a town)
Yoruba: Tebu(a town)

16. Egypt: Adumu (a water god)
Yoruba: Adumu (a water venerated deity)

17. Egypt: Khu (to kill)
Yoruba: Ku (die)

18. Egypt Rekha (knowledge}
Yoruba: rikha, re ka(to be able to read ; knowledgeable)

19. Egypt : Hika (evil)
Yoruba: Ika,uka (evil , wickedness, wicked,

20. Egypt : Mhebi (humble)
Yoruba: Mebi, humble to ones family

20. Egypt: Sata (perfect)
Yoruba: Santan (perfect)

21 Egypt: Unas (lake of fire)
Yoruba: Una, Ina, na, (fire,light)

22. Egypt: Tan (complete)
Youba: Tan (complete,finished,)

23.Beru (force of emotion)
Yoruba: Beru (,tremble, fear)

24. Egypt: Em (smell)
Yoruba: Emi (smell)

25.Egypt: Pa (open)
Yoruba: Pa (break open)

26. Egyt: Bi (to become)
Yoruba: Bi (to give birth, to become)

27/Egypt: Heqet-Re (frog deity)
Yoruba: Ekere (the frog)

28. Egypt: Feh (to go away)
Yoruba: Feh (to blow away)

29. Egypt: Kot (build)
Yoruba: Ko (build)

30. Egypt: Kot (boat)
Yoruba: Oko (boat)

31 Egypt: Omi (water)
Yoruba: Omi (water)


32.Egypt : Ra (time)
Yoruba: Ira (time)

34 Egypt: Oni (title of Osiris)
Yoruba : Oni (title of the king of Ife)

35.Egypt: Budo (dwelling place)
Yoruba: Ibudo,Budo (dwelling place)


36 Egypt: Dudu (black image of Osiris)
Yoruba: Dudu (black person)

37. Egypt: Un (living person)
Yoruba: Uni, unea, eni (living person, individual person)

38. Egypt: Ra (possess)
Yoruba: Ra (possess/buy)


39.Egypt: Beka (pray/confess)
Yoruba: Be or ka (to pray or confess)

40.Egypt: Po (many)
Yoruba: Po (many/cheap)

41. Egypt: Horuw (head) middle Egyptian Oruwo
Yoruba: Horuw,Orun, (head)

42.Egypt: Ash (invocation)
Yoruba: Ashe (invocation,authority)

44Egypt: Aru (mouth)
Yoruba: Arun, anu (mouth )

45.Egypt: Do (river)
Yoruba: Odo (river)

46.Egypt: Do (settlement)
Yoruba: Ido, Udo,Do (settlement)

47. Egypt: Bu (a place)
Yoruba: Bu ,a place


48.Egypt: Khepara (beetle)
Yoruba: Apakara, Akpakara (beetle)

49. Egypt: Ra -Shu (light after darkness)
Yoruba: Uran-shu, Ora shu, Oru shu, (the sunlight is dim, he sun light of the moon, night time when light has dimmed)

50 Egyt: Run-ka (spirit name)
Yoruba:Oruko, ruko(name)

51 Egypt: Aru (rise)
Yoruba: Ru, a ro, ro (rise up)


52.Egyot: Ma (to know)
Yoruba: Ma (to know)

53. Egypt: Mu (water)
Yoruba:Mu, omi, ( water)

Lastly, some of the above words can also mean other things in Yoruba but the above shows Yoruba language was spoken in Coptic era. After all, Ifa Afa, appeared in north Africa at one time or the other in Africa's history. Even attah of Igala said, Ifaodu was a unifying factor beyond Yoruba land with other groups.

Aba is word known in Yoruba circle which we agreed to mean father,when one uses it for one's biological father, or family's head, leader. This same word “.ba" is used to prefix ile,ale(land) and it means, “Baale" etc.


“Ba", according to the screenshot below is Aramaic in origin from an English language dictionary.


Baba is also used in Yoruba land for father, grandfather, etc. Unfortunately, these two words are shown in the dictionaries as non of Yoruba's. Thus, looking at definition of English dictionaries state as :

1.A kind of sponge cake soaked in rum-flavoured syrup.

2.(esp. among people of East European ancestry) A grandmother.

3. An old woman, especially a traditional old woman from an eastern European culture.

4. A father (esp. among people of Indian ancestry)

5. A holy man, a spiritual leader among Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism)

6. A baby, child in India.

7. In baby talk, often used for a variety of words beginning with b, such as bottle or blanket.

Definition found in 4,5,& 6 are cognates with Yoruba's.

Obviously. Baba is India, Arabic, etc in origin.


Questions :

1. Are these accidental cognate loaned from foreign language ?

2.Does it mean, Yoruba don't have aboriginal name for father ?



macof, TAO12

Olu317:


You can lie ., I just wonder, where you got the information from me that I mentioned that, Susan Blier mentioned ‘Near East' origin of Anyone in Yoruba land. All I have mentioned about you times without number, is that you are full of rhetorics,which shows that you're not conversant with books reading.

What has been constantly posited is that , she emphatically stated that a newer group invaded the present day IleIfe and impose their own form of worship. It is that simple.

In her book she says, “
Present-day scholars of Yoruba religion such as Idowu (p. 23) and Awolalu (p. 27) see the city as developing its political and religious primacy as a result of the arrival of a militarily powerful group of foreigners who were part of a distant branch of the Yoruba people. Un- fortunately the name of the leader of this group is not known, because in the accounts his identity is subsumed by that of his patron deity, Odudua.19 At the time of the arrival of this outsider and his party, Ife was occupied by an indigenous people who were under the leadership of a hunter named Ore (Oreluere).

Not surprisingly, the original inhabitants of Ife do not appear to have supported this foreigner, "Odudua," in his attempts to gain control of the city. This foreign ruler was, however, by all accounts a strong and politically effective leader. One of his most important decisions was to establish a series of marriage alliances with the local populace. Accordingly, both he and his party married indigenous women "of the land," in order to create a new generation of Ife residents who, in Idowu's words (p. 24), "... . would be at home in both worlds . . . people who were without bitterness towards either of the opposing parties." In the course of these marriages, the new ruler fathered a number of children, many of whom eventually set out to found their own dynasties in other Yoruba states."

Obviously, you and your likes failed to realised that, odudua( Dawaodu) and his group are strangers,who were migrants and need not married into the local if they are part of the cosmopolitan city.

Questions:
1a. Are you even aware how a newer ruler or dynasty deal with the aboriginal when such city is conquered ? You make me laugh!

b.Are you even aware the crown, of Yoruba are Near Prototype ?

c. Are you aware birds significantly appear in Near East culture as Yoruba's ? These questions can never be answered by you! .


Secondly ,non of you that claimed Odudua and his group are from Aboriginal group have shown where Odudua ancestors and his groups ancestors migrated from in Niger Benue Confluence. As someone through a professor's view, has posited it, “Bowel of IleIfe".

Thirdly, Egyptians and Phoenicians did invaded West Africa, in search of Slaves, Gold, Ivory, incense, and other minerals. Please read ( Cf Boshoff & Scheffer 2008:38, Clark 1970: 15,219, Lange 2004:277, 279, Le Roux 2008: 7)


Base on the above information, I am waiting patiently to know where “my ancestors" migrated from in that Niger Benue Confluence.


Lastly, you're just too ignorant and emotional over outdated information. as I have emphasized severally because the book I referred was “Religion and Art in Ile-Ife Suzanne Preston Blier", which was written in 2012. Two years after Professor Akintoye's book.

Daodu or David is derived from an ancient word much earlier than Israel adoption of it, meaning "leader". David had a real native name, Elhana.

Bro, a man who can kill bear with a bare hand is Ehana proper in Yoruba. Assume the letter "l" to be silent in Yoruba in this circumstance.

So Daodu and Beere are words that may have come with the Yoruba from ancient Palestine. I may not be privy of its influence on Oduduwa as a name tho.

Just wanted to affirm the root of the Daodu as Dawood (David), where it means leader. And do you have any idea of the horsetail paraphenalia?

Olu317:


1. A.
Rhetoric is what you posted up there. So as simple as Abc, ọ ni ọfi, Ọni-ọfin, O ni ọfin, Àni ofin, by extension, —Ọlọ-ọfin is older than Ala-Afin.

And the meaning is beyond ‘Palace', which you and TA012, did limit it to mean because Yoruba word is not as simple as it seems to translate without consodering the purpose it serves. This word convey deeper meaning in this regard because, a ‘Palace' is the official residence of a sovereign, archbishop, etc.This can be translated as Ule Oba, Ile Oba, Ale Oba, ( House of a king). Interestingly, the meaning of ọni-ọfin is ‘Court owner', Fort owner, and not just residence of a King.

ọfin is a fort, Court and not just palace.In the same vein,
your likes translated Oru as heaven where Oduduwa( Dawaodu) descended from.




2. macof says, Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ - ‘Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) , ẹwọn (chain), rọ (descend),
So it means to descend through a chain' .

Examining the above as illustrated below:

Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) ×

ẹwọn (chain)√

rọ (descend)×


The above meaning is false not true, even if you try to sneak the meaning based on the information circulating over the purported you translation. . Contrary to you he meaning of Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ is not the same as ‘Atẹlewọnrọ or Atẹlewọrọ' .

And your illegal translation,is false which does not mean to descend with Chain, , because in Yoruba's culture,chain or Iron is associated with ‘Ogun'.So stop using political translation to suit yourself.

Intereatingly,I have once tried to interpret this in the past, which I didn't get accurately as you have placed your view on Palace . As ófin .Èwon or sheke or shekesheke, is quite correct to mean (chains) but in this regard , it means :



Atẹ̀ : They/one that bend, ( manufacturer of );
A—tẹ̀ : ‘A' is a pronoun for both singular or plural in this regard

ẹwọn: is the same as , Sheke, Shekesheke (chain)√

rọ : create, mould

Simply mean:
They/one that are/is manufacturer(s)of Iron ore. This is encoded in Ogun, as an Iron ore manufacturer. Plainly, Yoruba language is a continuum and not static. For instance, In some places, Ooni ile is used, while some use Alaale. Does this not mean the same ? So, understanding the root word and possible English translation is important. Abeg make una no dey lie lie ooooo


Question: If you are so sure of your translation, then Did Odudua descended alone from somewhere or Ship as some of you put it in the past?

LOL. Accuse me of using mere rhetoric to end up doing exactly that which you accuse others of.

1. There's absolutely nothing wrong with your interpretation of the word Ààfin.. Where you are right I will tell you
But that is Infact the interpretation of the word "Palace" as well.
There is no Palace of a sovereign in the world that is a mere residential area. It is in the Palace that official state matters are handled

You understood every well what my post was you are just trying to save face and salvage the pieces after the wrong translations @absolutesuccess gave in his book

Interestingly, you aren't supporting him that Ọlọfin means one who twists the law

I don't know what concerns Ọ̀ru with this matter but you can bring that up later.. Should be interesting.
Also, there's no correlation between the name oduduwa and the name David/Dawud... Because I know that is what you are gunning for with this nonsense Dawaodu you wrote there

2. you've never been good at Yoruba accent marks. I remember how you confused Ibí for Ibì

We all know Atẹwọnrọ refers to Oduduwa not ogun
And my break down of the word is actually very consistent with every single translation of "Atẹwọnrọ" out there

Now let me address what you think you broke down accurately
Tẹ̀ doesn't mean to bend... Tẹ means to bend
(notice the difference?) ie. tẹrí balẹ̀ "bend the head to the ground [in homage]

Tẹ̀ can be found in tẹ̀lé, tẹ̀dó... That's not "to bend" in these words

And rọ
Simple... Like Òjò n rọ
Láti Ọ̀run ni Oodua rọ wa


You know what's shocking is that it was after I corrected absoluteSuccess that you came with your interpretation of Ateworo and Olofin. And this happens all the time with all 3 of you
Ordinary if I didn't make my input you wouldn't have given us your "accurate" interpretation.
If you are so sure of yourself, teach your brother absoluteSuccess by correcting him when he's wrong.
Because you came to defend him but even your interpretation is far from his... So who is wrong?

Olu317:


You can lie ., I just wonder, where you got the information from me that I mentioned that, Susan Blier mentioned ‘Near East' origin of Anyone in Yoruba land. All I have mentioned about you times without number, is that you are full of rhetorics,which shows that you're not conversant with books reading.

What has been constantly posited is that , she emphatically stated that a newer group invaded the present day IleIfe and impose their own form of worship. It is that simple.

In her book she says, “

Present-day scholars of Yoruba religion such as Idowu (p. 23) and Awolalu (p. 27) see the city as developing its political and religious primacy as a result of [b] the arrival of a militarily powerful group of foreigners who were part of a distant branch of the Yoruba people. Un- fortunately the name of the leader of this group is not known, because in the accounts his identity is subsumed by that of his patron deity, Odudua.19 At the time of the arrival of this outsider and his party, Ife was occupied by an indigenous people who were under the leadership of a hunter named Ore (Oreluere).

Not surprisingly, the original inhabitants of Ife do not appear to have supported this foreigner, "Odudua," in his attempts to gain control of the city. This foreign ruler was, however, by all accounts a strong and politically effective leader. One of his most important decisions was to establish a series of marriage alliances with the local populace. Accordingly, both he and his party married indigenous women "of the land," in order to create a new generation of Ife residents who, in Idowu's words (p. 24), "... . would be at home in both worlds . . . people who were without bitterness towards either of the opposing parties." In the course of these marriages, the new ruler fathered a number of children, many of whom eventually set out to found their own dynasties in other Yoruba states."



Obviously, you and your likes failed to realised that, odudua( Dawaodu) and his group are strangers,who were migrants and need not married into the local if they are part of the cosmopolitan city.

Questions:
1a. Are you even aware how a newer ruler or dynasty deal with the aboriginal when such city is conquered ? You make me laugh!

b.Are you even aware the crown, of Yoruba are Near Prototype ?

c. Are you aware birds significantly appear in Near East culture as Yoruba's ? These questions can never be answered by you! .


Secondly ,non of you that claimed Odudua and his group are from Aboriginal group have shown where Odudua ancestors and his groups ancestors migrated from in Niger Benue Confluence. As someone through a professor's view, has posited it, “Bowel of IleIfe".

Thirdly, Egyptians and Phoenicians did invaded West Africa, in search of Slaves, Gold, Ivory, incense, and other minerals. Please read ( Cf Boshoff & Scheffer 2008:38, Clark 1970: 15,219, Lange 2004:277, 279, Le Roux 2008: 7)


Base on the above information, I am waiting patiently to know where “my ancestors" migrated from in that Niger Benue Confluence.


Lastly, you're just too ignorant and emotional over outdated information. as I have emphasized severally because the book I referred was “Religion and Art in Ile-Ife Suzanne Preston Blier", which was written in 2012. Two years after Professor Akintoye's book.

see this mumu for Gods sake
What part of this excerpt actually serves to buttress your argument?

What that simply suggest is that oduduwa and his group were not amongst the original ife group.
It says nothing about him being semitic. Rather it even says oduduwa and his group were yoruboid "part of a distant branch of yoruba"
You didn't catch that did you?

In your lack of knowledge you think calling oduduwa a foreigner in this context means he was not yoruba?
Odùduwà came from a community that was not part of the main city ..that much is clear. His "coming" was not a journey of years streaking the sahara desert for thousands of kilometres but rather a walkable distance after climbing down the hill

Mumu is looking for semitic
You are so desperate.
Suzanne Blier's work was released two years after that of Prof. Akintoye so Akintoye is outdated
Two years péré?
But you are referring to Sultan Bello of 200 years ago
Clowns

Also that excerpt from Suzanne Blier doesn't contradict any of Prof. Akintoye's submissions and conclusions
Infact they agree


Show a screenshot of where you got that phoenicians invaded West Africa.

absoluteSuccess:






It takes you to challenge the authority and powerful people yourself at the end. Never do for your enemy what he'll do to himself. You should really want me to stop so that your cover up can continue.

Ajunilo o le juni nu sibi to ba fe.
You don't know what you don't know.

Did you ever sample this simple little time tested wisdom when it's politely requested of you? But you know it. You hide it from the public glare of what you know.

It's a proof your kind could not be trusted to tell a simple but vital truth naturally and conveniently at all times. You can stoop low as far as quoting from wiki but left this wisdom out, why? Because it contradicts your claim right there at the source.

"He who is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much."

Luke 16:10.

This literally makes zero sense.

Your posts are nothing but nonsense most of the time.

OmoOlofin:


Did he really NOT KNOW what Ọlọfin and Atẹwọnrọ mean?

I'm shocked (irony!)

Macof, your grasp of the Yoruba language is astoundingly firm. I am beyond pleased.

To add my voice to this for obvious reasons:

"Olu-Afin" = "Alaafin" = "Ọlọfin" = Alaọfin = "The Principal One of the Palace".

The NorthEastern Okun-Yoruba regions use the version Alaọfin.

The Aworis of Lagos use the version Ọlọfin.


It is disgraceful how people who obviously should still be learning how to apply diacritics to Yoruba vowels seem to be self-deluded into thinking of themselves as scholars of Yoruba history and language.

Macof, I think you are expecting too much from those who can't even tell the difference between the letters "O" and "Ọ".

I challenge these self-deluding "scholars" to tell the difference between the following Yoruba words:

(1.) Okó

(2.) Ọkọ́

(3.) Oko

(4.) Ọkọ̀

(5.) Ọkọ

(6.) Ọ̀kọ̀

(7.) Òkò

(8.) Ó ko

(9.) Ó kò

(10) Ó kò ó

don't mind them. That's how they deceive unsuspecting people who might be drawn to their fantasies especially considering the idea of semitic origin would appeal to many Christians and Muslims who don't have a sound sense of history.
That's what they bank on - the gullibility of others. They are no different from fraudsters using the Yoruba integrity to play

It would be a shame if nobody served as the voice of reason, so I take out little time to educate because everyone deserves an education.
It's not about these 3 guys (plus their sidekick @Obalufon making 4) in particular, I believe they are lost and can't be found
It's about others who might be drawn to the fraud and pseudohistory they do

Its simple... What is the position of scholars today? What are the evidence for such position

What could my intentions possibly be? Why would I not want to be Hebrew or Arab if the evidence suggests so?
Why would some people not want to be native west African if the evidence suggests so?

For a people who have been colonised and converted into Abrahamic religions and traditions I think we all have an idea of what's going on here

Olu317:
Aba is word known in Yoruba circle which we agreed to mean father,when one uses it for one's biological father, or family's head, leader. This same word “.ba" is used to prefix ile,ale(land) and it means, “Baale" etc.


“Ba", according to the screenshot below is Aramaic in origin from an English language dictionary.


Baba is also used in Yoruba land for father, grandfather, etc. Unfortunately, these two words are shown in the dictionaries as non of Yoruba's. Thus, looking at definition of English dictionaries state as :

1.A kind of sponge cake soaked in rum-flavoured syrup.

2.(esp. among people of East European ancestry) A grandmother.

3. An old woman, especially a traditional old woman from an eastern European culture.

4. A father (esp. among people of Indian ancestry)

5. A holy man, a spiritual leader among Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism)

6. A baby, child in India.

7. In baby talk, often used for a variety of words beginning with b, such as bottle or blanket.

Definition found in 4,5,& 6 are cognates with Yoruba's.

Obviously. Baba is India, Arabic, etc in origin.


Questions :

1. Are these accidental cognate loaned from foreign language ?

2.Does it mean, Yoruba don't have aboriginal name for father ?



macof, TAO12

this guy needs help.. Anywhere you see a semitic people mentioned you lose your mind and go nuts

Even your own post answers your question

If the word Baba/Aba can mean old woman of eastern European tradition, father in many languages, a holy man in Sanskrit, a baby in India , etc

That should tell you that the presence of such words in different languages is coincidental and not linked to cognates

Even in your post you implied that baby talk has a lot of words with "b".. I should say it is a general thing for babies to make soft sounding words with an abundance of b, d, p, a

Baba, Papa, Dada, Tata are all known words all over the world for father

In fact I'll direct you to a link that explains more https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/words-mom-dad-similar-languages/409810/

Read it, you'll learn something interesting
Does that answer your question?

macof:


this guy needs help.. Anywhere you see a semitic people mentioned you lose your mind and go nuts

Even your own post answers your question

If the word Baba/Aba can mean old woman of eastern European tradition, father in many languages, a holy man in Sanskrit, a baby in India , etc

That should tell you that the presence of such words in different languages is coincidental and not linked to cognates

Even in your post you implied that baby talk has a lot of words with "b".. I should say it is a general thing for babies to make soft sounding words with an abundance of b, d, p, a

Baba, Papa, Dada, Tata are all known words all over the world for father

In fact I'll direct you to a link that explains more https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/words-mom-dad-similar-languages/409810/

Read it, you'll learn something interesting
Does that answer your question?

Thanks for that reply. I was fast losing my patience on all their nonsensical claims.

Yoruba language has many similar sounding words (with same meanings) as the Japanese language.

I wonder what the conclusion of these self-deluded scholars will be in that regards.


Moreover, I find it strange and surprising that our self-deluded Nairaland scholars of Yoruba history and linguistics dared not take up the challenge I posed earlier.

As a reminder to our Nairaland "scholars", what is the meaning of each of the following different Yoruba words?:

(1.) Okó

(2.) Ọkọ́ 

(3.) Oko

(4.) Ọkọ̀

(5.) Ọkọ

(6.) Ọ̀kọ̀

(7.) Òkò

(8.) Ó ko

(9.) Ó kò

(10) Ó kò ó

absoluteSuccess:
About Oduduwa from my Petit journal.

The pocket size book was published few years back, 2015 precisely.

All we have could be little, little and truthful fact is better than a whole lot of lies.

And don't judge a book by its cover.

Please where can I get this book?

macof:


this guy needs help.. Anywhere you see a semitic people mentioned you lose your mind and go nuts

Even your own post answers your question

If the word Baba/Aba can mean old woman of eastern European tradition, father in many languages, a holy man in Sanskrit, a baby in India , etc

That should tell you that the presence of such words in different languages is coincidental and not linked to cognates

Even in your post you implied that baby talk has a lot of words with "b".. I should say it is a general thing for babies to make soft sounding words with an abundance of b, d, p, a

Baba, Papa, Dada, Tata are all known words all over the world for father

In fact I'll direct you to a link that explains more https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/words-mom-dad-similar-languages/409810/

Read it, you'll learn something interesting
Does that answer your question?

Lol! So cant see? Hebrew and Aramaic use Ba, and Abba respectively for Father. While Baba is used between Arabic and Hindu, for father. It is as simple as abc.

Obviously, you are the one that need help because you are read and have no knowledge of what you engage me on!

Olu317:
Lol! So cant see? Hebrew and Aramaic use Ba, and Abba respectively for Father. While Baba is used between Arabic and Hindu, for father. It is as simple as abc.

Obviously, you are the one that need help because you are read and have no knowledge of what you engage me on!

Again...

If the word Baba/Aba can mean old woman of eastern European tradition, father in many languages, a holy man in Sanskrit, a baby in India , etc

That should tell you that the presence of such words in different languages is coincidental and not linked to cognates

Even in your post you implied that baby talk has a lot of words with "b".. I should say it is a general thing for babies to make soft sounding words with an abundance of b, d, p, a

Baba, Papa, Dada, Tata are all known words all over the world for father

In fact I'll direct you to a link that explains more https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/words-mom-dad-similar-languages/409810/

Read it, you'll learn something interesting

Obalufon:
what is the significant of 16. to yoruba tradition 16 odus

I know, amongst others, it represent Yoruba foundational Settlements in Ileife . And there are other significances which I have not asked my teachers on. Anyway, I will get back to or you you can throw in more light on it.



Note: Sorry for the late response.

macof:
Again...

If the word Baba/Aba can mean old woman of eastern European tradition, father in many languages, a holy man in Sanskrit, a baby in India , etc

That should tell you that the presence of such words in different languages is coincidental and not linked to cognates

Even in your post you implied that baby talk has a lot of words with "b".. I should say it is a general thing for babies to make soft sounding words with an abundance of b, d, p, a

Baba, Papa, Dada, Tata are all known words all over the world for father

In fact I'll direct you to a link that explains more https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/words-mom-dad-similar-languages/409810/

Read it, you'll learn something interesting

I wonder what false cognate mean to you? Such erudite scholar like you don't even know the difference between false and true cognate in two cultures or more . Even few related Hausa group use “Barbar" or Baba for mother,depending of lettering though my spelling may be incorrect but the pronunciation is closely related! So ,you make me laugh with this your view that holds no water. Abeg, move on bro.

rhektor:


Please where can I get this book?

I will be willing to forward it to you with some other titles through courier if you stay in Lagos.

The shelf price is N200.
Bulk price is negotiable.

Cost of transportation is something else, so you can buy few more copies or get some other titles.

Here's the table of contents to know what to expect. It's a soft read but value for money.

Captive of the mighty, that's when kunmi captured Ogunmola

Prisoner of war, that was when Ogunmola captured the white guys in kunmi's army.

The just king, that's Alaafin Abiodun

The impossible ride, the Alaafin celebrated bebe, riding on buffalo to his hurt.

Two Wise women, they saved ijesha from the Nupe

Yoruba ancestors scripture, some quick gists about Ifa

The legend of Oduduwa, that I have shared earlier, just that simple.

Olu317:
Rhetoric is what you posted up there. So as simple as Abc, ọ ni ọfi, Ọni-ọfin, O ni ọfin, Àni ofin, by extension, —Ọlọ-ọfin is older than Ala-Afin.

And the meaning is beyond ‘Palace', which you and TA012, did limit it to mean because Yoruba word is not as simple as it seems to translate without consodering the purpose it serves. This word convey deeper meaning in this regard because, a ‘Palace' is the official residence of a sovereign, archbishop, etc.This can be translated as Ule Oba, Ile Oba, Ale Oba, ( House of a king). Interestingly, the meaning of ọni-ọfin is ‘Court owner', Fort owner, and not just residence of a King.

ọfin is a fort, Court and not just palace.In the same vein, your likes translated Oru as heaven where Oduduwa( Dawaodu) descended from.


2.macof says, Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ - ‘Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) , ẹwọn (chain), rọ (descend),
So it means to descend through a chain' .

Examining the above as illustrated below:

Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) ×

ẹwọn (chain)√

rọ (descend)×


The above meaning is false not true, even if you try to sneak the meaning based on the information circulating over the purported you translation. . Contrary to you he meaning of Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ is not the same as ‘Atẹlewọnrọ or Atẹlewọrọ' .

And your illegal translation,is false which does not mean to descend with Chain, , because in Yoruba's culture,chain or Iron is associated with ‘Ogun'.So stop using political translation to suit yourself.

Intereatingly,I have once tried to interpret this in the past, which I didn't get accurately as you have placed your view on Palace . As ófin .Èwon or sheke or shekesheke, is quite correct to mean (chains) but in this regard , it means :



Atẹ̀ : They/one that bend, ( manufacturer of );
A—tẹ̀ : ‘A' is a pronoun for both singular or plural in this regard

ẹwọn: is the same as , Sheke, Shekesheke (chain)√

rọ : create, mould

Simply mean:
They/one that are/is manufacturer(s)of Iron ore. This is encoded in Ogun, as an Iron ore manufacturer. Plainly, Yoruba language is a continuum and not static. For instance, In some places, Ooni ile is used, while some use Alaale. Does this not mean the same ? So, understanding the root word and possible English translation is important. Abeg make una no dey lie lie ooooo


Question: If you are so sure of your translation, then Did Odudua descended alone from somewhere or Ship as some of you put it in the past?

You are right on point bro, don't allow that psychopath turn you to a performance monkey, he's running a circus show for fooly.


A biblical Clue

@Olu, Yare should mean something to you, its the Hebrew for anglicized version of the same word, Jair. Find out how this connects with (Olu)Yare story in connection with Moremi. fact is not so difficult, but to a lair, "o dori akayin, akara deegun". May God guide you bro.

History is a continuum and should derive from a flow and return back to it's flow. Odo to gbagbe orisun re ni yoo gbe. A tradition derived from historical event don't stand like a lake that leads nowhere as is in the case of atewonro. It contradicts the simple truth in Ifa as given in this excerpt:

Adia fun okanlenirinwo irumole,
Tin won lo ree b'osa mule,
Ero Ipo ero Ofa,
ewa bawa ni t'arusegun,
arusegun lawa wa.

@absolutesuccess
@Olu317.
I have been following your threads and inputs from page 1.and I can confidently say you're really doing a good work.
keep it up,Sirs.

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gowonmaharajah:
@absolutesuccess
@Olu317.
I have been following your threads and inputs from page 1.and I can confidently say you're really doing a good work.
keep it up,Sirs.

Thanks very much bro, its joy to me when I have someone that appreciate our efforts here. It means there are people who thinks and know that sooner or later truth will triumph.

BabaRamota1980:
Macof, i think you dont like me because you think im opposite to your position. Only God knows what we don't. This Yoruba history get as e be. It is confusing. I like this thread because i learn in here. I learn from you, i learn from absolutsucces, i learn from obalufon, obalufon III, i learn from metaphysical, i learn from olu13. So you guys dont even know that you are influencers. . How many obalufon dey here sef? . I go come back and read again in 2021. I want some good stuff, not fight and ijogbon. One day when im well equipped me sef go be ogbologbo and can join and talk Yoruba history with solid and firm convinction.

I owe you this response my brother, you don't have to apologize for what you didn't do, you are the "Iranlowo" a voice of wisdom when most were petrified by the psychopath and his ilks at page 7, you calm the storm with your God given power and the game changed from thence.

You have fulfilled destiny in your own way and truth is not about to come, what we have already is truth enough.

I respect you dearly sir, more wit and clear understanding of the most subtle subjects. truth can be damn simple.

Fear nobody in this world. That's my only advice bro, at worst you die, ori agba ree san ju oju agba re lo.

God bless.

This is too sad. First Igbo people and now ijebu. The destruction wrought on our minds by colonialism is immense.

Please there is no J sound in Hebrew. Just like Jesus is actually yehoshua so the Jebus are actually pronounced Yee boo see. Please just because a name In a language sounds vaguely like another in another language that doesn’t mean they are the same.

MetaPhysical:


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absolutesuccess
.....add Ogogo-Magogo to the list. Ado. Ijesha. Respectively Gog & Magog, Ad, Gersham. Teach him what he does not know.
There are over a hundred place names in Yorubaland that are replications of place names in Afro-Asia. Some places have been lost sef due to wars in Yorubaland and sacking of towns.

Macof is using our contribution and knowledge to equip his learning. We should be proud that we are his teachers.
There was a post here about twins in Yorubaland and the rite of Kehinde holding seniority to Taiye and how this custom has root to Isaac's twins, Esau and Jacob. He read it and jumped out to contest it. He said its a crap, nothing at all connects Yoruba twins to Isaac's twins. To back his argument he gave us twins oriki - Ejire ara Isokun! It had to be pointed to him that the "Isokun" in the oriki is of course "Isaak".
His knowledge base is shallow and what he brings here are data collected from elsewhere, they are not self-inspiration. What he learns from us he deposits elsewhere.

Some of us author or contribute materials to writers and researchers, therefore we cannot give full list of what we know here. We can list a hundred place names and present artwork in Yorubaland that are precise match to places in Afro-Asia and culture.

What we call Agbada in Yorubaland is an ancient style of clothing that has not changed much for centuries and has remained in the Semitic culture till today and called "Abaya".
Agbada - Abaya - Cloak.
Tobi - Thobe - Garment
Bante - Pant

absoluteSuccess:


I owe you this response my brother, you don't have to apologize for what you didn't do, you are the "Iranlowo" a voice of wisdom when most were petrified by the psychopath and his ilks at page 7, you calm the storm with your God given power and the game changed from thence.

You have fulfilled destiny in your own way and truth is not about to come, what we have already is truth enough.

I respect you dearly sir, more wit and clear understanding of the most subtle subjects. truth can be damn simple.

Fear nobody in this world. That's my only advice bro, at worst you die, ori agba ree san ju oju agba re lo.

God bless.

Lmao you call me a psychopath. Because I ask you to provide evidence for your claims

Instead of crying and ranting simply do the needful and stop trying to use Yoruba to feed yourself, go into something productive not destructive. You are not fit to be taken seriously on yoruba historical matters
I have embarrassed you severally for you to do a rethink of this your evil and shameless agenda

PastorAIO:

This is too sad. First Igbo people and now ijebu. The destruction wrought on our minds by colonialism is immense.

Please there is no J sound in Hebrew. Just like Jesus is actually yehoshua so the Jebus are actually pronounced Yee boo see. Please just because a name In a language sounds vaguely like another in another language that doesn’t mean they are the same.

Unfortunately desperation to attach to semitic people will not allow these guys understand this

Interestingly, there are more words that sound vaguely alike between Yoruba and Japanese but since Japan is not where their religion comes from they have no interest in that

Just because you follow an Abrahamic religion should not be a reason for you to seek to destroy Yoruba history by Abrahamizing it

gowonmaharajah:
@absolutesuccess
@Olu317.
I have been following your threads and inputs from page 1.and I can confidently say you're really doing a good work.
keep it up,Sirs.

Since you are so confident, care to defend them with facts? Or you are just here to be a cheerleader that is drown to the prospects of having ancestors from the Bible

Olu317:
Lol. Deceit js what you know how to do. So, I won't answer your question to pick more Hebrew words from me. But I will post what and when I desire. So, stop behaving as unread person.

1. What is the Yoruba story ? Please explain beyond incoherent information of descending from Heaven . You people aren't realists! Well, my ancestor in my Oriki mentioned Oru as their place of origin, Am I also from Heaven ?

2. Bro macof you skip information nos: 2! Are you under pressure ? !

3. I didn't mentioned Sultan Bello says, Opa Orammiyah in his account. You and lie are like 5&6. Interestingly other scholars who have more knowledge on Egyptians hieroglyphs did research on it and they realised it wasn't built by Egyptians elite nor its type found in Sub Sahara,although Ibos have a pyramid, which is similar to the one found in Egypt. So, the conclusion as at that time, was that there are characters on the Opa Oranmiyan. Deal with it

1. I already posted that twice. And the "descent from heaven" is not incoherent, maybe you mean not historical...which i agree. But it is part of yoruba tradition. If you had appreciation for tradition you would not set out to blatantly mock it like non-yoruba trolls do. it proves that you have no regard for yoruba tradition

2. Amazement, fascination.. That is what draws people to pseudohistory. A historian such as myself would not take what someone obviously made up as history
I didn't say sultan Bello's made up story is ethnically biased, nobody says that in the historical community
The question was simple... Why take the story of a fulani over what the Yoruba people say about themselves?

3. this was your response in defence of Sultan Bello's canaan origin of yoruba.
"Furthermore, The story is not made up because, as at today, the only thing being remebered abuot Opa Iranmiyan obelisk is that, it used to be a place where kings from other vassal state fashioned after Ileife take oath of allegiance and ordained as king"

going totally off point as usual.

4. Yoruba's Ifaodu is written in Torah as Eyphod or Ephod. Google can help you find the proposed meaning of it on Wikipedia.

b. Pick up books to know that shrines in Near East of ancient Hebrew did built alter as Yoruba people did in the past. Google will help you solve this small issue.

c. Ask people who have gone to Kaaba in Mecca,how they enter it and compare it with Yoruba's Awo's entry into a shrine . olodo lasan li e.


5. Wait for it. Do you expect me to give away a super information that has taken me years on a platform as this? Certainly not but I share the little with all of you to prepare your mind,so that you will know the wonderful information on Yoruba ancestors and their legacy.

b. Nah, I am not the angry type but you. Trust me, I can only posit my information based on my findings. So far, I have no reason to be angry because my work is true and will hit the stall in the near future.

4. it is Ifa. not Ifaodu. or you mean "odu ifa"? Odu-ifa are collections of stories and sayings. There are 16 principal Odu and 256 maximum. Where is this in connection to the Ephod? Is Ephod a system in which a chain of 8 cowries or 16 palmnuts are used to cast divination with a set of stories and sayings as guidance? answer is No

the Ephod is a garment worn by the jewish priests during ceremonies, yes sometimes used as a divination tool but the Ephod is not a system of Divination, it is a sacred garment not a system

while Ifa is not a piece of clothing or a tool. it is a system.

in West Africa we have Iha, Ifa, Afa, fa amongst the Igbo, Yoruba, Fon, Ewe, Edo which are all the same thing, but you are trying to force Ephod (a garment) into the mix. It makes no sense

b. post screenshots of the books and websites

c. they enter it by walking in with their backs? is that it? that there is lmao
it is the same in Igbo shrines, same in Hindu shrines....i am sure it is a worldwide phenomena not unique to yoruba shrines and the kaaba

Also why is it that you pick so called similarities from all over the middle east, you will pick how to enter a shrine from arabs, pick "baba" from aramaic, pick opa oranyan inscription from hebrew? you don't even know where exactly you claim yoruba originate from anymore

5. You have been giving "super information" as claims here, if you know you have no intention to support your claims with the evidence you also claim to have then why so serious about the claims here?
You just make a claim here and expect to be taken seriously wothout providing any evidence for them. Make all your claims in the book where you want to provide your evidence. Just as AbsoluteSuccess blundered in his break down of the words Olofin and Atewonro in his book by using the same level of his NL posts to write a book, do not just pour out your imagination, provide evidence

I made some corrections (in bold)

Olu317:


6. Yoruba language is Coptic Egyptian's in the same way you found it in Bini, Dahomey. What is Coptic Language ? it is a ritual ancient Christian language that was spoken in Egypt at a time in history. Bro,try to learn how to juxtapose with civility and uprightness. Below are:

COPTIC EGYPTIAN'S IN COMPARISON WITH LANGUAGE YORUBA COGNATE

1. Egypt. Wu (rise)
Yoruba: Wu (rise)

2. Egypt: Akhat(calendar, season, period) aha-t
Yoruba : Wakati (time, period, season)

3. Egypt: Eaure (Python / Serpent)
Yoruba: Ere (gigantic snake,python/ Serpent)

4. Egypt: HOrise (a great god) it is Heru (horus is greek name for Heru) why capitalize the O?
Yoruba: Orisha,risha,oritse,orise (a great god,ancestors, head, patrilineal or matrilineal ancestors)


5. Egypt: group of worshiper Sen (group of worshipers)
Yoruba: Sin,Si,sen (assemblage of worshippers to worship)


6. Egypt: Ged (to chant) hak/hek
Yoruba: Ogede, Igede (a chant)

7. Egypt:Ta (sell / offer)
Yoruba: Ta (sell/offer)

8. Egypt: Sueg (a fool)
Yoruba: Suegbe (a fool)

9. Egypt: On ( living person)
Yoruba: One ( living person)

10. Egypt: Kum (a club)
Yoruba: Kumo( a club)

11. Egypt:Enru (fear / terrible)
Yoruba: Eru (fear / terrible

12. Egypt: Kun / qun (brave man)
Yoruba: Okun, Ekun (,strength, bold, brave man)


13. Egypt: Odonit (festival) Heb
Yoruba: Odon , odun (festival)

14. Egypt: Ma or mi (to breath) teper
Yoruba : mae, Mi (to breathe )

15.Egypt: Tebu (a town)
Yoruba: Tebu(a town)

16. Egypt: Adumu (a water god) Ur-Henu .... there is no Adumu in Egyptian religion nice try
Yoruba: Adumu (a water venerated deity)

17. Egypt: Khu (to kill) Spirit not "to kill"
Yoruba: Ku (die)

18. Egypt Rekha (knowledge}
Yoruba: rikha, re ka(to be able to read ; knowledgeable)

19. Egypt : Hika (evil) it means magic, Divine power
Yoruba: Ika,uka (evil , wickedness, wicked,

20. Egypt : Mhebi (humble)
Yoruba: Mebi, humble to ones family

20. Egypt: Sata (perfect)
Yoruba: Santan (perfect)

21 Egypt: Unas (lake of fire)
Yoruba: Una, Ina, na, (fire,light)

22. Egypt: Tan (complete)
Youba: Tan (complete,finished,)

23.Beru (force of emotion)
Yoruba: Beru (,tremble, fear)

24. Egypt: Em (smell)
Yoruba: Emi (smell)

25.Egypt: Pa (open)
Yoruba: Pa (break open) what yoruba do you speak? how is "pa" = break open

26. Egyt: Bi (to become)
Yoruba: Bi (to give birth, to become)

27/Egypt: Heqet-Re (frog deity) it is simply Heqet...not Heqet-re
Yoruba: Ekere (the frog)

28. Egypt: Feh (to go away)
Yoruba: Feh (to blow away)

29. Egypt: Kot (build)
Yoruba: Ko (build)

30. Egypt: Kot (boat)
Yoruba: Oko (boat)

31 Egypt: Omi (water)
Yoruba: Omi (water)


32.Egypt : Ra (time)
Yoruba: Ira (time)

34 Egypt: Oni (title of Osiris)
Yoruba : Oni (title of the king of Ife)

35.Egypt: Budo (dwelling place)
Yoruba: Ibudo,Budo (dwelling place)


36 Egypt: Dudu (black image of Osiris)
Yoruba: Dudu (black person)

37. Egypt: Un (living person)
Yoruba: Uni, unea, eni (living person, individual person)

38. Egypt: Ra (possess)
Yoruba: Ra (possess/buy)


39.Egypt: Beka (pray/confess)
Yoruba: Be or ka (to pray or confess)

40.Egypt: Po (many)
Yoruba: Po (many/cheap)

41. Egypt: Horuw (head) middle Egyptian Oruwo
Yoruba: Horuw,Orun, (head) Ori

42.Egypt: Ash (invocation)
Yoruba: Ashe (invocation,authority)

44Egypt: Aru (mouth)
Yoruba: Arun, anu (mouth )

45.Egypt: Do (river) Iteru
Yoruba: Odo (river)

46.Egypt: Do (settlement)
Yoruba: Ido, Udo,Do (settlement)

47. Egypt: Bu (a place)
Yoruba: Bu ,a place


48.Egypt: Khepara (beetle) Khepri
Yoruba: Apakara, Akpakara (beetle)

49. Egypt: Ra -Shu (light after darkness)
Yoruba: Uran-shu, Ora shu, Oru shu, (the sunlight is dim, he sun light of the moon, night time when light has dimmed)

50 Egyt: Run-ka (spirit name) there is nothing like Run-ka, just Ka and it means Divine power, what yoruba call Ase
Yoruba:Oruko, ruko(name)

51 Egypt: Aru (rise)
Yoruba: Ru, a ro, ro (rise up)


52.Egyot: Ma (to know)
Yoruba: Ma (to know)

53. Egypt: Mu (water)
Yoruba:Mu, omi, ( water)

Lastly, some of the above words can also mean other things in Yoruba but the above shows Yoruba language was spoken in Coptic era. After all, Ifa Afa, appeared in north Africa at one time or the other in Africa's history. Even attah of Igala said, Ifaodu was a unifying factor beyond Yoruba land with other groups.

I couldn't confirm any of the egyptian words here to be what you claim they mean. But i did find errors
So imagine no word was verified but a few errors came out.

How then can you defend this list? Do you have a dictionary or comprehensive lexicon that can verify these words since nobody here speaks egyptian
@lx3as

And when Yoruba was mostly islamized we started the story that we came from Mecca.
Sad!

I heard that Japanese empire was called Edo. Bini people may get some mileage out of that. The highest military rank in japan was called the Shogun. I’ve already heard a Yoruba guy try to link it with Yoruba Ogun for war. The guy was a pagan. Maybe if he was a Christian he would have leaned more to the Levant.

macof:


Unfortunately desperation to attach to semitic people will not allow these guys understand this

Interestingly, there are more words that sound vaguely alike between Yoruba and Japanese but since Japan is not where their religion comes from they have no interest in that

Just because you follow an Abrahamic religion should not be a reason for you to seek to destroy Yoruba history by Abrahamizing it

PastorAIO:
And when Yoruba was mostly islamized we started the story that we came from Mecca.
Sad!

I heard that Japanese empire was called Edo. Bini people may get some mileage out of that. The highest military rank in japan was called the Shogun. I’ve already heard a Yoruba guy try to link it with Yoruba Ogun for war. The guy was a pagan. Maybe if he was a Christian he would have leaned more to the Levant.

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Ofin (Part 1)


Its time to dig up some facts concealed in the words of the ancestors the ancestors’ way, not our own “layman” or haphazard way. By that, we’ll broaden the scope of the word in question and acess some nuggets that's never before known to exist in the lexicon of the Yoruba.

1. Òfín: when you replace the first syllable “O” with “À” in this sense, it becomes Àfín, Yoruba for the albino. Wait, what’s the thinking of the ancient Yoruba casted in this word, O-fin? I won’t want to come in-between the interpretations, so I will adopt a technique to that effect.

Let the facts speak

“Ofin toto ‘e ti poju!” we say this to whoever is too curious to the last tiny piece of a minuscule. Indeed, that statement describes me, when I’m eating beans, my favorite food, I will not tolerate a grain of rice in it, I won’t be able to swallow it. That’s wanting it so pure and perfect.

Ofin in that sense is “o fin toto”. If the ofin or fin in that sense is elusive, use the toto as clue instead, there you have it (ayinipada) as imo-toto, total cleaness, purity. By this token, the meaning cast in this forge is “purity”, therefore, a-fin, albino is having no melanin.

2. Òfìn: this variant of the word is for a trench, a dungeon or a crater. Of this the Yoruba have a prayer, "ao nii jin s’ofin aye". We can also replace the ofin with ayinipada made for it, “ara’waju to jin si koto, o k’awon ara yoku l’ogbon” meaning the frontliner that fell into a ditch instruct the followers in wisdom.

Òfin (law): well this is the law, but it does not translate expressly to English “law”. It means a “state” of “purity” or “clean”. We mean this when we say “owo e 'o mo”. From here comes “a ru fin” one who muddle up the law. When one introduces mud to a clean stuff, the hand is soiled or sullied.

3. Òfín: this is the Yoruba for craft. By this we allude to “onirese” and the line runs, “oko irese omo agbonyun”, meaning “the triplet of irese, children of basket of beads”. Onirese epitomize bead making in time of old amongst the Yoruba.

We may not have ofin in the above, but it is in another related proverb that says “b’onirese ba ko ti o fingba mo, eyi to ti fin sile ko nii parun laelae”. Fin in this sense is the aesthetic-beauty, architecture or the adorable signature that reveals the mind of a cunning craftman to his admirer.

When we are working on a mat made of raffia straw, we says “aun hun eni”, the straw is also called “ifin eni”. And when we are too curious about the minuscule detail, it’s interpreted as searching for “ifin idi koko”, because something cunning is actually at the base of cocoyam in real sense of it.

Historical linguistics

Alaafin: One pertaining to albino+aestethics+justice. This one word is a combination of plural idea, namely purity, beauty and justice. The albino is whatever the Yoruba means by “alase ekeji orisa” having it in mind that “owo orisa la fii w’afin”. The notion crept in from the elegant beauty of the glorious matriarch, Eyo.

She was the one who described herself first as afin to get to afinju: “emi lafinju woja maa rin gbendeke”. That’s the ateworo swag, the Yoruba finish it by saying “ijesha lafin” because “ijesha, oridi ishana” the matriarch with her custom hairdo, was a sparkling beauty.

When we say “afin o j’eyo”, we could take it to mean that the albino forbid salt, no. It rather means “afin aka Eyo”. Our aka means "also known as".

The palace of the king on the other hand is a beautiful piece of architecture fitting for a king (ile oba t’ojo, ewa lo bu si). There’s something beautiful about palaces in time of old.

The aesthetic appeal has the meaning first, and later confers the same to the structure. The king’s palace should be Agbala Oba.

The justice angle to the meaning is the ofin, rule. When the Yoruba apprehend a criminal, they says “aa fie ‘j’ofin” that’s an action that answers “justice”. Ijofin is actually a place name.

Dual leadership (executive and judiciary) system inherent in ancient Yoruba Political Structure

Thus Alaafin is one who adjudicates the rule and thus must be harbinger of justice or vanguard of purity as opposed to partiality or soil.

Orisa is the same source as oonirisa, spiritual leader. Its this duality here that may have birthed the phrase "alase ekeji orisa" What we have with Oyo and Ife is how such phrase has played out in today Yoruba cosmopolitan polity.

Within each Yoruba enclaves, there are more than one king, but one surpasses the other in reputation over time. That's the one that modern gazette finally reckons with.

PastorAIO:
And when Yoruba was mostly islamized we started the story that we came from Mecca.
Sad!

I heard that Japanese empire was called Edo. Bini people may get some mileage out of that. The highest military rank in japan was called the Shogun. I’ve already heard a Yoruba guy try to link it with Yoruba Ogun for war. The guy was a pagan. Maybe if he was a Christian he would have leaned more to the Levant.

https://www.nairaland.com/5908411/igbos-not-hebrews-goodness-sakes#5908411.20

Look at what has happened to igbo history after the craze over Hebrew connection. Now they are complaining, when it's already late.
Igbos have effectively become a people without history after allowing religious sentiments and obsession with anything semitic (in this case Hebrew) to ruin the study of their history

This must never be allowed to happen to the Yoruba nation.
These enemies within who are determined to ruin the study of yoruba history with their semitic nonsense should be restricted to the barest minimum.

Now they are mostly far in the minority but ever since I found out that MFM was sponsoring one guy to go on all platforms to propagate this Hebrew idea I realised it was an agenda to Abrahamize the Yoruba
That's why they are so determined. They are well aware that they have no solid points nor can they ever acquire any sort of evidence but repeat a lie over an over again and it starts to wear the cloak of truth