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Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by Image123(m): 1:30am On Jun 10, 2020
As usual, the empty atheists and lazy sceptics have defined God. God doesn't fit their foolish definition, in conclusion there's no God.
E.g Grimcap defines an African nation as a nation filled with black people. Morocco is not full of black people. Grimcap the simple concludes Morocco is not an African nation.
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by Xmuslim: 3:49am On Jun 10, 2020
IamMichael:

Thanks bro.

Honestly, we have a lot of work to do. The indoctrination is just too much...but we must not relent.
When we are ready, we are all going to challenge why religious studies are forced upon children in public schools (Primary - Secondary) when it is against their Rights to Freedom of Religion and Child's Rights Act.

Yes, most indoctrinated adult are stu.pid (even if they become a professor in their field), but they may never realise.

Arguing with someone stüpid and brainwashed is like feeding medicine to a corpse.

I dream of a day, when children will be allowed to grow up (maybe 18yrs) before introducing religion to them. In this way, those that will accept religion will do so on their own volition and it will be easier for them to renounce the religion later in life if they found fault in it

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Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by odinson1(m): 6:48am On Jun 10, 2020
grin grin D;

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Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by odinson1(m): 6:50am On Jun 10, 2020
grin grin grin

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Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by IamMichael(m): 7:35am On Jun 10, 2020
Xmuslim:


Yes, most indoctrinated adult are stu.pid (even if they become a professor in their field), but they may never realise.

Arguing with someone stüpid and brainwashed is like feeding medicine to a corpse.

I dream of a day, when children will be allowed to grow up (maybe 18yrs) before introducing religion to them. In this way, those that will accept religion will do so on their own volition and it will be easier for them to renounce the religion later in life if they found fault in it
Your dreams will soon be a reality. cheesy
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by odinson1(m): 8:55am On Jun 10, 2020
IamMichael:
Your dreams will soon be a reality. cheesy
Might be in Civilized countries but in Nigeria? I don't think so
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by IamMichael(m): 10:27am On Jun 10, 2020
odinson1:

Might be in Civilized countries
but in Nigeria? I don't think so

Impossibility is nothing. grin

Anything we set out to achieve, we can achieve so long as people are willing to.
One day, i might call you up to join a project I'm working on; i hope you will be ready. Remember, Nigerians weren't christians nor muslims before the westerners came into the equation. Remember that traditional Religions ruled the day in the past, but is almost at the brink of extinction now. The problem of Christianity and Muslims is that they are still leaving in the past, and have failed to grasp the reality staring them in the face that they can no longer decieve people with Religion anymore. But, a new wave of progressives and intellectualy driven citizens are on the rise.
All irrelevant things fade out eventually, and religion is one of those things. As science continues to answer unanswered questions, we also must create and follow that trend by creating a powerful unified community of non-religious persons in Nigeria. In other words, create our own community so that people will stop pretending they are religious while deep down in their heart, they don't believe it.
We can do it...but the problem is, are we ready to do it?

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Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by IamMichael(m): 10:47am On Jun 10, 2020
kingxsamz:


Intelligent.
Thanks bro.
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by sonmvayina(m): 12:00pm On Jun 10, 2020
GRIMMJOE:
The removal of Satan contradict the creation story, the removal of Jesus contradict the salvation story.

A religion shouldn't be built on contradiction.

Like you rightly said.. "story'... Has got no effect on reality..

Why introduce them to the equation.?

FYI no mention of Satan in the creation story... Adam, eve and snake...
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by GRIMMJOE(m): 2:13pm On Jun 10, 2020
sonmvayina:


Like you rightly said.. "story'... Has got no effect on reality..

Why introduce them to the equation.?

FYI no mention of Satan in the creation story... Adam, eve and snake...
Satan, Lucifer, Devil, The Serpent, are the same to Christians.
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by GRIMMJOE(m): 2:46pm On Jun 10, 2020
Image123:
As usual, the empty atheists and lazy sceptics have defined God. God doesn't fit their foolish definition, in conclusion there's no God.
E.g Grimcap defines an African nation as a nation filled with black people. Morocco is not full of black people. Grimcap the simple concludes Morocco is not an African nation.
It appears you have the IQ of a vegetables.
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by Primesky(m): 5:05pm On Jun 10, 2020
[quote author=GRIMMJOE post=90500081] Do not go about advising people on things you can't prove.


The reason for not believing in the existence of God goes beyond punishment (Hell) and reward (heaven), but not having anything to do with whatever that thing is in the Bible.

1.This thing you're in a hurry to meet killed children, you're nothing but a mad man when you start justifying this.

2. Encourage slavery, rape, and is even a rapist, taking the wife of another man and impregnating her, says not to marry out of wedlock, but he get a free pass impregnating, and having a child outside wedlock.

3. A failure, failed to create the perfect world, spent the next 2000 years trying to fix what a mere snake destroyed in 1 day.


The Bible is likely a prank by some guys some years back, ídoit found it, and made a religion out of it.

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Failure is when a man can boldly tell himself he's a mistake, and directly question His creator. You better be sure of what you believe. It's easy for a failure to blame another rather than himself. Have a deep self check.

The air you breathe was a mistake, right?. There are lots of dead bodies in the mogue unable to breathe not because of lack of oxygen, but because they lack the power to do so, you are given this prividge by the one who made all things, yet see how rude and ungrateful you are, simply because He doesn't fit into your little mind and brain. May God have mercy on you sir.

Be rest assured, one day you will have to account for these statements if you don't repent, it's not a threat, it's a fact!. Everyday life and natural experiences should let you know that actions have consequences,and that there is no way order can come out of chaos without an interference by an intelligent personality.

If God is truly a failure, then you admit that you're foolish, irrational and blind, because I don't see how a failure can create a sensible person. It then means all your submissions are stupid as well, because you can't possibly be wiser than the one who gave you the wisdom.
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:49pm On Jun 10, 2020
Primesky:

Failure is when a man can boldly tell himself he's a mistake,
and directly question His creator. You better be sure of what
you believe. It's easy for a failure to blame another rather than
himself. Have a deep self check.
The air you breathe was a mistake, right?. There are lots of
dead bodies in the mogue unable to breathe not because of
lack of oxygen, but because they lack the power to do so, you
are given this prividge by the one who made all things, yet see
how rude and ungrateful you are, simply because He doesn't
fit into your little mind and brain. May God have mercy on you
sir.
Be rest assured, one day you will have to account for these
statements if you don't repent, it's not a threat, it's a fact!.
Everyday life and natural experiences should let you know that
actions have consequences,and that there is no way order can
come out of chaos without an interference by an intelligent
personality.
If God is truly a failure, then you admit that you're foolish,
irrational and blind, because I don't see how a failure can
create a sensible person. It then means all your submissions
are stupid as well, because you can't possibly be wiser than
the one who gave you the wisdom.

As expected, you still didn't answer why this God supports rape, why he killed babies, why he failed to create the world he wanted, but quick to defend the rapist, mass murder, first born killer, if it means you'll live forever.

Nobody knows exactly how this world came about, even if it's a God it's not that one in the Bible.

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Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by GRIMMJOE(m): 7:07pm On Jun 10, 2020
Primesky:
I'm willing to answer some point you raised, but if you're willing to see it through and not run away.
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by GRIMMJOE(m): 7:30pm On Jun 10, 2020
IamMichael:


Impossibility is nothing. grin

Anything we set out to achieve, we can achieve so long as people are willing to.
One day, i might call you up to join a project I'm working on; i hope you will be ready. Remember, Nigerians weren't christians nor muslims before the westerners came into the equation. Remember that traditional Religions ruled the day in the past, but is almost at the brink of extinction now. The problem of Christianity and Muslims is that they are still leaving in the past, and have failed to grasp the reality staring them in the face that they can no longer decieve people with Religion anymore. But, a new wave of progressives and intellectualy driven citizens are on the rise.
All irrelevant things fade out eventually, and religion is one of those things. As science continues to answer unanswered questions, we also must create and follow that trend by creating a powerful unified community of non-religious persons in Nigeria. In other words, create our own community so that people will stop pretending they are religious while deep down in their heart, they don't believe it.
We can do it...but the problem is, are we ready to do it?
Indoctrination is very powerful, like, it's very very powerful, anything that will make a human being put on a suicide vest to take his life and the life of other should tell you how powerful it is, it's almost demonic, I'm not even sure a demon will even put on a suicide vest.

Some times I feel pity for them, some times I'm angry they refuse to wake up.

The truth is, those of us awake were born before our time.
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by IamMichael(m): 7:40pm On Jun 10, 2020
GRIMMJOE:
Indoctrination is very powerful, like, it's very very powerful, anything that will make a human being put on a suicide vest to take his life and the life of other should tell you how powerful it is, it's almost demonic, I'm not even sure a demon will even put on a suicide vest.

Some times I feel pity for them, some times I'm angry they refuse to wake up.

The truth is, those of us awake were born before our time.

Pity is an understatement... Honestly, i just see them as victims just like we were before we left that self-limiting stage.

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Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by jcross19: 8:03pm On Jun 10, 2020
PiccoloBrunelli:


Yes God is omniscient. He knows it all. However, if you had the best singing voice in the world, would you sing 24/7 just because you can? You will still decide when to sing and what to sing. God has impeccable self control. So he can decide not to know the outcome of a particular event. If he knew that the angel he made would become Satan and that he will deceive the first human couple and subject mankind to thousands of years of unspeakable suffering AND HE STILL WENT AHEAD TO MAKE THAT ANGEL, then that would be most unloving and wicked.

But the Bible tells us different. God is love.
Satan is a son of God as well!!!!! according to job1:5-6.,, in Isaiah 54:16 says I created havoc wrecker to wreck havoc, Isaiah 45:7-i form the light,and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:I the lord do all these things. God warned Adam and Eve about tree of good and bad but He never warned them about devil, the deceiver! do you know that Jesus was sent into wilderness to be tempted by a tempter who is tempter is it not devil? why did they send Jesus to him?
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by Image123(m): 10:37pm On Jun 10, 2020
GRIMMJOE:
It appears you have the IQ of a vegetables.

There you go, see the fellow 'result' to insult. Is it your result?
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by GRIMMJOE(m): 12:11am On Jun 11, 2020
Image123:


There you go, see the fellow 'result' to insult. Is it your result?
If you have nothing to do, go login your alternate account and like your comments.
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by Image123(m): 1:37am On Jun 11, 2020
GRIMMJOE:
If you have nothing to do, go login your alternate account and like your comments.

You must derive the only happiness you get by being so full of yourself.
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by Nobody: 7:36am On Jun 11, 2020
ghettokid1:
Did God create satan on purpose?
God created so many angels in heaven, they were given freewill!

The idea that God is
omnipotent,
omniscient,
omnipresence

Is a big fat lie!


If you meditate thoroughly on the meaning of the word HOLY you will know better!

Holy means Pure as in incapable of evil thoughts, God created them and some developed selfish motives and thoughts {Genesis 6:6-7} proves that he never created such on purpose! Deuteronomy 32:5

God bless you! smiley
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by OpenYourEyes1: 8:02am On Jun 11, 2020
Maximus69:


The idea that God is
omnipotent,
omniscient,
omnipresence

Is a big fat lie!



You mean GOD doesn't know everything, have unlimited powers, and exist everywhere? Interesting...


* Omniscient: knowing everything:

* Omnipotent: having unlimited power.

* Omnipresence: the state of being widespread or constantly encountered.

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Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by Nobody: 8:22am On Jun 11, 2020
OpenYourEyes1:


You mean GOD doesn't know everything, have unlimited powers, and exist everywhere? Interesting...


* Omniscient: knowing everything:

* Omnipotent: having unlimited power.

* Omnipresence: the state of being widespread or constantly encountered.

All you need to do is study God's word with his messengers whom he himself sent to come and TEACH you what is written in his book, NOT assuming what he supposed to be when he never told you so ! undecided

Let's consider the three concepts one after the other and check if the author of the Bible describes himself that way! Act 17:11

OMNISCIENT ~ @Genesis 18:20-21 this God said reports were brought to him regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, but he wants to go and inspect IF IT IS EXACTLY AS THE REPORT SAYS
Please based on this Bible record which i believe can't be missing in your personal copy, did God knows everything as you have thought? undecided


OMNIPOTENT ~ @Habakkuk 1:13 we found out that God is not capable of looking at evil deeds! of course he gave us eyes to see, so man could conclude that he must be able to see everything. But his words says his eyes are too pure so he's not capable of watching evil sights

OMNIPRESENCE ~ the Genesis account already nullified this claim because if he's everywhere, he wouldn't need going to inspect what he himself witnessed while he was PRESENT! smiley

So all what you need to ask is WHY?

How come the grand Creator of the whole universe has become restricted to some do certain things? smiley

We'll be prepared to assist you if you're willing to know!

God bless you! smiley

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Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by OpenYourEyes1: 12:36pm On Jun 11, 2020
Maximus69:


All you need to do is study God's word with his messengers whom he himself sent to come and TEACH you what is written in his book, NOT assuming what he supposed to be when he never told you so ! undecided

Let's consider the three concepts one after the other and check if the author of the Bible describes himself that way! Act 17:11

OMNISCIENT ~ @Genesis 18:20-21 this God said reports were brought to him regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, but he wants to go and inspect IF IT IS EXACTLY AS THE REPORT SAYS
Please based on this Bible record which i believe can't be missing in your personal copy, did God knows everything as you have thought? undecided



Let me address that ^ first.

Are you suggesting HE couldn't have seen Sodom and Gomorrah from the sky, or from HIS location, something we mere humans can do today?


Do you believe that our LORD JESUS lives in all of us believers? How could HE live in all if he is not everywhere (omniscient) and knows everything?
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by Nobody: 12:57pm On Jun 11, 2020
OpenYourEyes1:


Let me address that ^ first.

Are you suggesting HE couldn't have seen Sodom and Gomorrah from the sky, or from HIS location, something we mere humans can do today.

Do you believe that our LORD JESUS lives in all of us believers? How could HE live in all ) if he is not everywhere (omniscient) and knows everything.

Calm down! smiley

Apostle Paul said Satan has blinded the minds of unbelievers so that the light of truth may not shine through their hearts! 2Corinthians 4:4
Apostle John said we know we're for God but the whole world is under the control of Satan! 1John 5:19

So Jesus is not in the heart of everyone, God's spirit only reside with those who believe NOT everyone! 2Thessalonians 3:2

God is not seeing most things happening in the world for a reason, instead of arguing based on what you were taught to believe why not ask what went wrong!

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Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by OpenYourEyes1: 1:02pm On Jun 11, 2020
Maximus69:


All you need to do is study God's word with his messengers whom he himself sent to come and TEACH you what is written in his book, NOT assuming what he supposed to be when he never told you so !

Let's consider the three concepts one after the other and check if the author of the Bible describes himself that way! Act 17:11
?


OMNIPOTENT ~ @Habakkuk 1:13 we found out that God is not capable of looking at evil deeds! of course he gave us eyes to see, so man could conclude that he must be able to see everything. But his words says his eyes are too pure so he's not capable of watching evil sights



God bless you! smiley

HE turns HIS face away from evildoers and hate evil. That has nothing to do with omnipotence

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Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by Nobody: 2:36pm On Jun 11, 2020
OpenYourEyes1:


HE turns HIS face away from evildoers and hate evil. That has nothing to do with omnipotence

Please is the ability to see not part of what could be termed as potency? smiley

What are you saying?

God is UNABLE to watch evil and you're saying he can do everything?

My friend, i know people who can't watch common wrestling match, some can't stand the sight of porn movies, some can't even stand the sight of slaughtering a chicken that after it's cooked they'll eat it with fried rice.
Now we are talking about someone who can't stand the sight of evil deeds and you're here arguing that he can do all things?

Please how do you reconcile that? cheesy

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Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by Nobody: 2:41pm On Jun 11, 2020
@OpenYourEyes.

Please leave the matter if you don't trust (believe) God's word!

We are Bible students, we don't adhere to the teachings of Churchgoers, so try hard to concentrate on what God's word say about God not what your Pastor presume God supposed to be! cheesy
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:08pm On Jun 11, 2020
Image123:


You must derive the only happiness you get by being so full of yourself.
So what's your perspective about happiness?
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by odinson1(m): 6:28pm On Jun 11, 2020
IamMichael:


Impossibility is nothing. grin

Anything we set out to achieve, we can achieve so long as people are willing to.
One day, i might call you up to join a project I'm working on; i hope you will be ready. Remember, Nigerians weren't christians nor muslims before the westerners came into the equation. Remember that traditional Religions ruled the day in the past, but is almost at the brink of extinction now. The problem of Christianity and Muslims is that they are still leaving in the past, and have failed to grasp the reality staring them in the face that they can no longer decieve people with Religion anymore. But, a new wave of progressives and intellectualy driven citizens are on the rise.
All irrelevant things fade out eventually, and religion is one of those things. As science continues to answer unanswered questions, we also must create and follow that trend by creating a powerful unified community of non-religious persons in Nigeria. In other words, create our own community so that people will stop pretending they are religious while deep down in their heart, they don't believe it.
We can do it...but the problem is, are we ready to do it?
Ok i get your point
The thing is that it will take up to a century or 2 before religion will totally be wiped off from Nigeria
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by odinson1(m): 6:35pm On Jun 11, 2020
Maximus69:


All you need to do is study God's word with his messengers whom he himself sent to come and TEACH you what is written in his book, NOT assuming what he supposed to be when he never told you so ! undecided

Let's consider the three concepts one after the other and check if the author of the Bible describes himself that way! Act 17:11

OMNISCIENT ~ @Genesis 18:20-21 this God said reports were brought to him regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, but he wants to go and inspect IF IT IS EXACTLY AS THE REPORT SAYS
Please based on this Bible record which i believe can't be missing in your personal copy, did God knows everything as you have thought? undecided


OMNIPOTENT ~ @Habakkuk 1:13 we found out that God is not capable of looking at evil deeds! of course he gave us eyes to see, so man could conclude that he must be able to see everything. But his words says his eyes are too pure so he's not capable of watching evil sights

OMNIPRESENCE ~ the Genesis account already nullified this claim because if he's everywhere, he wouldn't need going to inspect what he himself witnessed while he was PRESENT! smiley

So all what you need to ask is WHY?

How come the grand Creator of the whole universe has become restricted to some do certain things? smiley

We'll be prepared to assist you if you're willing to know!

God bless you! smiley
Bravo!
you are one of the few christains I've come across who actually study their bibles
That's what I love the JW for
Re: Did God Create Satan On Purpose or Unknowninly? by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:54pm On Jun 11, 2020
OpenYourEyes1:


Let me address that ^ first.

Are you suggesting HE couldn't have seen Sodom and Gomorrah from the sky, or from HIS location, something we mere humans can do today?


Do you believe that our LORD JESUS lives in all of us believers? How could HE live in all if he is not everywhere (omniscient) and knows everything?



Not Omniscience, Omnipresence

Omniscience: Knowing all things, even things that have not been discovered.

Omnipresence: Exist everywhere, even in place that doesn't exist.

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