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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 4:24pm On Jun 11, 2020
Peacefullove:

I dont know . Care to tell me ? cheesy
See this mumu
Answer the question. What does the title "Everlasting father' signifies?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:12pm On Jun 11, 2020
KNOWMORE56:
Father/Son answers prayers:

*. John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT. (i.e the Son)

*. John 15:16 "KJV:Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever YE SHALL ASK of the Father in my name, HE MAY GIVE it you." (i.e the Father)

NOTE: God the Son says what ever you ask/pray for in His name HE (God the Son) will do it.

Brother Stephen prayed to Him and He answered, see Acts 7:59-60 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, RECEIVE my spirit.
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KJV:And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, LORD, LAY NOT this SIN to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

The Bible says Stephen calling upon God, he called LORD JESUS. Brother Stephen called Jesus God!

Bros, STOP USING FRAUD TO DECEIVE YOURSELF..

Acts 7:59-60 KJV FRAUD "CALLING UPON GOD" IS A FRAUD in the KJV.

It's a FRAUD peculiar to the Textus receptus manuscript used for the KJV.
Dump your FRAUD in the Dustbin.

Stephen NEVER prayed to Jesus.
The same Greek word, Greek 1941....
Acts 25:11 "Paul appealed , call upon Caesar"
Did Paul pray to Caesar?

WAYO Trinity GIBBERISH using FRAUD to support FRAUD

. grin grin grin

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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:38pm On Jun 11, 2020
Perfectbeing:
If you have seen Jesus you have seen the father. If you pray, worship, praise, bow etc to Jesus you have done so to the father... [/b]The father is invisible. Jesus is His image and His word. You cannot love the father more than the son, or love the son more than the father. They're both one and the same.

Phil 2:6-7 (Who, being in very nature of God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness).

So here's the reason Jesus worshipped the Father.

[b]Bros , Matthew 6:9 and Matthew 4:10, why do you REJECT the instructions Jesus Christ himself have given you ?
Haba !!!!!!


John 14:28 " Jesus says "the Father is GREATER THAN I am".
Your Philippians 2:6-7 "equality with God" quote is a pathetic FRAUD Jesus Christ himself have DISPROVED.

Bros, you have REMOVED Revelations 3:5,12 from your Bible grin grin
Nairaland una dey see as these triune pagan deity IDOL WORSHIPPERS dey challenge Jesus Christ?


grin grin grin

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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:44pm On Jun 11, 2020
Perfectbeing:
They've been made to believe that only the Watch tower society can teach the bible claiming to be the faithful and discreet slave... This is something they spoke against the Vatican which they now do... Such hypocrisy.

Triune pagan deity IDOL WORSHIPPERS DISOBEYING Jesus Christ @ Matthew 6:9 & Matthew 4:10 , Una still dey form James Bond grin grin grin

Tueh !!!!

Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:54pm On Jun 11, 2020
Perfectbeing:
Explain why your bible translated Proskuneo to mean "pay obesiance" to only Jesus but translated it to mean worship to when talking about God, angels and peter and even the devil.. Will translating it to mean worship when it concerns Jesus kill you guys??

Bros, If you really love Jesus Christ , please stick with his instructions @ Matthew 4:10 , John 7:16, he received from his God and Father (Deut6:13) and His Father's Command to you @ Luke 9:35 "this is My Son, Jesus Christ. Listen to him"


Do you know Jehovah God more than His Son knows Him?

Shalom
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:58pm On Jun 11, 2020
KNOWMORE56:


He has nothing to say about it.

It seems the GB have affected their minds to accept every lie from them (GB) as the truth.

Every truth that is not from the GB are lies.

Triune pagan deity IDOL WORSHIPPERS challenging Jesus Christ and giving all sorts of excuses for DISOBEDIENCE of Matthew 4:10. & 6:9.

Matthew 4:10 & 6:9 are "LIES", because you have ZERO connection to Jesus Christ
grin grin.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 8:06pm On Jun 11, 2020
Perfectbeing:
If worship is strictly for Jehovah alone why did the hosts of heaven worshipped the Lamb?

Rev 5:13-14 NWT (And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor
and the glory and the might forever and ever.” The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped).

The Worship was given to Jehovah God, not to the Lamb.
To bow or fall down before the Lamb (or kabiyesi )is an act of respect or honour, NOT worship.

The holy Scriptures abounds with PROOF of the hosts of Heaven giving WORSHIP to Jehovah God.

Revelations 4:10-11 and many others in the screenshot.

Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 8:14pm On Jun 11, 2020
KNOWMORE56:



His sons are all whose sins are forgiven because of Him that was slain from the foundation of the world .

*. Matthew 9:2 " man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; SON, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee


Note! Jesus called the man , whose sins were forgiven, son.


Are you one of His sons?

*. Revelation 13:8 "KJV:And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION of THE WORLD.

*. Revelation 5:12 "KJV:Saying with a loud voice, WORTHY is THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.


Jesus disciples could forgive sins too.
Are they Fathers to those who received forgiveness ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 8:16pm On Jun 11, 2020
Emusan:


Human and Angels are all false god.

So which God is Jesus if he isn't OUR GOD?
So God was making False Gods when he called us Gods ?
Jesus is a false god too if humans and Angel's are false god.

I still demand where Jesus is called OUR GOD ??




But at that moment the elder brother acted as a Father, aren't his Junior ones his sons?

Ode....of what use to act as Father when you don't have son?

Quote where Jesus called anyone MY SON ??

Mumu




On the issue of Jesus as Everlasting Father I'll post screenshots later from what your deluded organization teaches to know that you're just going against your own organization as usual.


Quote anywhere Jesus called anyone My son ?



He called humans His brothers and sisters because He came to save them ... oponu read it again to understand what the writer is pointing at.

His brothers not his sons ? U no well

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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Perfectbeing(m): 8:58pm On Jun 11, 2020
Janosky:


The Worship was given to Jehovah God, not to the Lamb.
To bow or fall down before the Lamb (or kabiyesi )is an act of respect or honour, NOT worship.

The holy Scriptures abounds with PROOF of the hosts of Heaven giving WORSHIP to Jehovah God.

Revelations 4:10-11 and many others in the screenshot.
Didn't you read Rev 5:13.... “To the One sitting on the throne AND TO THE LAMB be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever. Isn't that statement and act of worship

Please consult your dictionary to see what worship means.

Then also read Exodus 20:5 and see what God says about "bowing"
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 9:17pm On Jun 11, 2020
Perfectbeing:
Didn't you read Rev 5:13.... “To the One sitting on the throne AND TO THE LAMB be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever. Isn't that statement and act of worship

Please consult your dictionary to see what worship means.

Then also read Exodus 20:5 and see what God says about "bowing"
Bros, When you bow down to your village Elders or the kabiyesi in your home town, are you worshipping them ?

Exodus 20:5, "do not give honor (by bowing) to idols..
Abi ".. no be induced to worship (serve) them.." That one no dey your Bible?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 6:20am On Jun 12, 2020
Perfectbeing:
They've been made to believe that only the Watch tower society can teach the bible claiming to be the faithful and discreet slave... This is something they spoke against the Vatican which they now do... Such hypocrisy.


You are right.

We counter them to stop young believers from falling for thier lies.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 6:28am On Jun 12, 2020
Janosky:



Jesus disciples could forgive sins too.
Are they Fathers to those who received forgiveness ?

The reasons Jesus is the true God is not ONLY because he can forgive sins.

But all attributes of the true God is complete in the Son and in the Holy Ghost.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 6:57am On Jun 12, 2020
Janosky:


Triune pagan deity IDOL WORSHIPPERS challenging Jesus Christ and giving all sorts of excuses for DISOBEDIENCE of Matthew 4:10. & 6:9.

Matthew 4:10 & 6:9 are "LIES", because you have ZERO connection to Jesus Christ
grin grin.

You have not been able to understand that one of the reasons your Bible (NWT) gives Jesus big G in John 20:28 it's because they are convinced that He's the true God.

Jesus says if you don't believe that he is He, you will die in your sin.

Do you want to die in your sins, Janosky?

John 8:24 "KJV:I said therefore unto you, that YE SHALL DIE in your sins: for IF ye BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.

please accept Him now as your Lord and Savior. Armageddon is very near!

See Father's advise below

*. Psalms 2 12 "KJV: KISS THE SON, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 7:14am On Jun 12, 2020
Janosky:


Bros, STOP USING FRAUD TO DECEIVE YOURSELF..

Acts 7:59-60 KJV FRAUD "CALLING UPON GOD" IS A FRAUD in the KJV.

It's a FRAUD peculiar to the Textus receptus manuscript used for the KJV.
Dump your FRAUD in the Dustbin.

Stephen NEVER prayed to Jesus.
The same Greek word, Greek 1941....
Acts 25:11 "Paul appealed , call upon Caesar"
Did Paul pray to Caesar?

WAYO Trinity GIBBERISH using FRAUD to support FRAUD

. grin grin grin

I know everyone/everything that counters your points are FRAUD.

Even God (i.e upper case) used for Jesus in the NWT John 28:28 and Isaiah 9:6, are all FRAUD.

Some idols worshippers influence that translators.

Tell them to stop that FRAUD in the next edition of the New world translation.

The way they rendered it in John 1:1 is the best.

Are you happy now, my friend?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Perfectbeing(m): 7:54am On Jun 12, 2020
Janosky:

Bros, When you bow down to your village Elders or the kabiyesi in your home town, are you worshipping them ?

Exodus 20:5, "do not give honor (by bowing) to idols..
Abi ".. no be induced to worship (serve) them.." That one no dey your Bible?

When you bow down to a Kabiyesi and say "blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever." you and worshiping the kabiyesi. Don't try and paint words hear... Go and check the meaning of worship in the dictionary my friend.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 8:35am On Jun 12, 2020
Janosky:



Jesus disciples could forgive sins too.
Are they Fathers to those who received forgiveness ?

Your organization rightly said God is Father to angels because He created them

At the same time, they block you from knowing that Jesus is that God.

Unfortunately, you cannot help yourself by accepting the Holy Word that says Jesus is the Creator of ALL THINGS.

*. John 1:3 "KJV: ALL THINGS were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

*. Colossians 1 16 "KJV:For by him were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created BY HIM, and FOR HIM:

Who shall we believe?

Your organization says nothing is created by Jesus or for Jesus.

But the Holy Bible says ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM.

Janosky is created by Jesus and he's Jesus' son by creation!

ALL who are redeemed BY HIM are His sons by redemption!
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 8:54am On Jun 12, 2020
Janosky:


Bros, STOP USING FRAUD TO DECEIVE YOURSELF..

Acts 7:59-60 KJV FRAUD "CALLING UPON GOD" IS A FRAUD in the KJV.

It's a FRAUD peculiar to the Textus receptus manuscript used for the KJV.
Dump your FRAUD in the Dustbin.

Stephen NEVER prayed to Jesus.
The same Greek word, Greek 1941....
Acts 25:11 "Paul appealed , call upon Caesar"
Did Paul pray to Caesar?

WAYO Trinity GIBBERISH using FRAUD to support FRAUD

. grin grin grin


Each time I see you going for 'hebrews/greek, etc original', I know you are loss.

See what your Creator (though you deny Him) says

If you (Janosky) ask anything in His name
HE WILL DO IT.

John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO it.

That is another 'fraud' found in NWT.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:46am On Jun 12, 2020
KNOWMORE56:


Your organization rightly said God is Father to angels because He created them

At the same time, they block you from knowing that Jesus is that God.

Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 11:31am On Jun 12, 2020
Maximus69:


Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

Why don't u ask Isaiah who called Jesus Everlasting Father?.....or Isaiah didn't know what he was saying?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 12:05pm On Jun 12, 2020
freshboi88:


Why don't u ask Isaiah who called Jesus Everlasting Father?.....or Isaiah didn't know what he was saying?

I understood Isaiah perfectly!

Jesus became the EVERLASTING FATHER of all Obedient descendants of Adam who forsake their sinful eays.
But lai lai Jesus can never become the father of angels because he has nothing to pay to become their father unlike humans who were dead in sin but revived through Jesus' blood! cheesy

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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 2:19pm On Jun 12, 2020
Maximus69:


I understood Isaiah perfectly!

Jesus became the EVERLASTING FATHER of all Obedient descendants of Adam who forsake their sinful eays.
But lai lai Jesus can never become the father of angels because he has nothing to pay to become their father unlike humans who were dead in sin but revived through Jesus' blood! cheesy

How can he become Everlasting Father in Isaiah when he was not even born not to talk of paying any price.....can u see how foolish you sound
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 2:29pm On Jun 12, 2020
KNOWMORE56:


I know everyone/everything that counters your points are FRAUD.

Even God (i.e upper case) used for Jesus in the NWT John 28:28 and Isaiah 9:6, are all FRAUD.

Some idols worshippers influence that translators.

Tell them to stop that FRAUD in the next edition of the New world translation.

The way they rendered it in John 1:1 is the best.

Are you happy now, my friend?


Bros, your Diversionary tactics won't change the DUBIOUS KJV FRAUD of Acts 7:59...... grin grin
(Bros,you dey see the Screenshots here ?)

Hosea 12:3-4, Psalms 8:5 calls angels "God"/god-."
Bros,deal with it.
John 17:3,17. Jesus Christ says himself is NOT the one true God Almighty.

Luke 9:35, John 1:18, Exodus 33:20 Yahweh Says your John 1:1 claim is a FRAUD. grin

NWT ,Emphatic Diaglott are very correct. The Bible versions similar to NWT were done by Trinitarians who found out that your John 1:1 claim is FRAUDULENT. grin grin

Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 2:37pm On Jun 12, 2020
freshboi88:


How can he become Everlasting Father in Isaiah when he was not even born not to talk of paying any price.....can u see how foolish you sound

Why you no dey use brain wey God give you?
Was Jesus Christ on earth when Prophet Isaiah wrote the prophecy?
Which Prince wey no get him Father ? grin
Una MUMU pass MUGU grin grin
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 2:56pm On Jun 12, 2020
KNOWMORE56:



Each time I see you going for 'hebrews/greek, etc original', I know you are loss.

See what your Creator (though you deny Him) says

If you (Janosky) ask anything in His name
HE WILL DO IT.

John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO it.

That is another 'fraud' found in NWT.

grin grin

Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic are the original Bible languages existing before English Translations..
Whatever you read in English, if its different from the Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic meaning, then it is NOT GENUINE but FRAUDULENT



Jesus Christ himself told KNOWMORE he will do WHATEVER his God and Father commands him.. John 7:16. John 14:31,
Bros, una want to change the holy Bible by fire by force grin

Romans 11:35-36 , Ephesians 3:14-15.
Yahweh Himself CREATED Jesus Christ.
In heaven,Jesus is still OBEYING his Father's Command
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 3:15pm On Jun 12, 2020
KNOWMORE56:


Your organization rightly said God is Father to angels because He created them

At the same time, they block you from knowing that Jesus is that God.

Unfortunately, you cannot help yourself by accepting the Holy Word that says Jesus is the Creator of ALL THINGS.

*. John 1:3 "KJV: ALL THINGS were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

*. Colossians 1 16 "KJV:For by him were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created BY HIM, and FOR HIM:

Who shall we believe?

Your organization says nothing is created by Jesus or for Jesus.

But the Holy Bible says ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM.

Janosky is created by Jesus and he's Jesus' son by creation!

ALL who are redeemed BY HIM are His sons by redemption!




grin grin
Is it not written in your Bible that Jesus Christ is God's son in heaven and earth?
How can God be a son to Himself in heaven?


Bros, the correct Greek word is DIA , meaning "THROUGH"/ by means of" , that is "Agency/Channel for the act of Creation."
A worker assisting with the work of creation..
Proverbs 8:22-30.
John 1:3, Colossians 1:16. Hebrews 1:2 "all things were made THROUGH him (Jesus).
The same Greek word "Dia"

But Jehovah God Almighty is the CREATOR of ALL THINGS, the Holy One to whom Jesus Christ OWES his name. One God and Father of ALL.
1 Cor 8:4-7. Eph3:14-15. Romans 11:35-36. Revelations 3:12-14. Ephesians 4:6
Does JEHOVAH have a Father?
In heaven and earth,Jesus does have his God and Father. Ephesians 4:6

Do you understand the difference ?

Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 3:43pm On Jun 12, 2020
Janosky:


Why you no dey use brain wey God give you?
Was Jesus Christ on earth when Prophet Isaiah wrote the prophecy?
Which Prince wey no get him Father ? grin
Una MUMU pass MUGU grin grin

Which prince be Father and Son at the same time.... MUGU Ur brain no fit comprehend that one
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 4:08pm On Jun 12, 2020
freshboi88:


Which prince be Father and Son at the same time.... MUGU Ur brain no fit comprehend that one

Isaiah calls Jesus "Prince ,Everlasting Father.."
Revelations 3:5,12, Jesus Christ himself says he has his own God and Father.
In other words, Jesus the Prince of Peace/ Everlasting Father have his own God and Father. do you agree?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 4:11pm On Jun 12, 2020
freshboi88:


How can he become Everlasting Father in Isaiah when he was not even born not to talk of paying any price.....can u see how foolish you sound
So foolish to notice that there was no child born to humans (us) not until Mary gave birth to her first child and angels declared his arrival! Luke 2:8-14

I can see how wise you're that you are able to relate Isaiah's prophecy with Jesus but can't phantom when exactly the so called child was born to us(humans) Isaiah 9:6 cheesy
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 4:50pm On Jun 12, 2020
Janosky:


Isaiah calls Jesus "Prince ,Everlasting Father.."
Revelations 3:5,12, Jesus Christ himself says he has his own God and Father.
In other words, Jesus the Prince of Peace/ Everlasting Father have his own God and Father. do you agree?

How can an Everlasting Father have a Father?. Can u give me an explanation why Jesus is called Everlasting Father
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 4:54pm On Jun 12, 2020
Maximus69:

So foolish to notice that there was no child born to humans (us) not until Mary gave birth to her first child and angels declared his arrival! Luke 2:8-14

I can see how wise you're that you are able to relate Isaiah's prophecy with Jesus but can't phantom when exactly the so called child was born to us(humans) Isaiah 9:6 cheesy

So much mumbo jumbo in one post. U said he "became" Everlasting Father when he paid the price for our sin. I'm only taking u up on Ur obvious lie

By your statement "became". It then means Isaiah would have been wrong to call him Everlasting Father since as at the time of the prophesy he had not yet paid the price, so it was wrong for Isaiah to call him Everlasting Father.

Do u get the drift now.......not everyone is dull dude so stop spewing rubbish analysis that can only come from the mind of a 6 year old

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