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Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by chatinent: 10:27pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
The Bible’s answer Many view the cross as the most common symbol of Christianity. However, the Bible does not describe the instrument of Jesus’ death, so no one can know its shape with absolute certainty. Still, the Bible provides evidence that Jesus died, not on a cross, but on an upright stake. . The Bible generally uses the Greek word stau·rosʹ when referring to the instrument of Jesus’ execution. ( Matthew 27:40; John 19:17) Although translations often render this word “cross,” many scholars agree that its basic meaning is actually “upright stake.” . According to A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament, stau·ros “never means two pieces of wood joining each other at any angle.” The Bible also uses the Greek word xylon as a synonym for stau·ros. ( Acts 5:30; 1 Peter 2:24) This word means “wood,” “timber,” “stake,” or “tree.” The Companion Bible thus concludes: “There is nothing in the Greek of the N[ew] T[estament] even to imply two pieces of timber.” . Is using the cross in worship acceptable to God? Regardless of the shape of the instrument on which Jesus died, the following facts and Bible verses indicate that we should not use the cross in worship. . 1. God rejects worship that uses images or symbols, including the cross. God commanded the Israelites not to use “the form of any symbol” in their worship, and Christians are likewise told to “flee from idolatry.”— Deuteronomy 4: 15-19; 1 Corinthians 10:14. . 2. First-century Christians did not use the cross in worship. The teachings and example of the apostles set a pattern that all Christians should adhere to.—2 Thessalonians 2:15. . 3. Use of the cross in worship has a pagan origin. Hundreds of years after the death of Jesus, when the churches had deviated from his teachings, new church members “were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols,” including the cross. (The Expanded Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words) However, the Bible does not condone adopting pagan symbols to help make new converts.—2 Corinthians 6:17. . Please share your comments and opinions. I'm ready to respond to all civil persons. 1 Like |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by AgentNairaland(f): 10:31pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
IslamaBAD |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by chatinent: 10:31pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
OAM4J, Seun, Lalasticlala. I think it's FP worthy. |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by TheSourcerer: 10:44pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
Nailed to a cross , figuratively |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by chatinent: 10:52pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
AgentNairaland:Wrong opinion. TheSourcerer:How is it figuratively? Clearly, you didn't read the post. |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by shadeyinka(m): 10:52pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
The Romans crucify criminals on either a STAKE or a CROSS or a "T" or "X" shaped wooden contraption. However, in the case of Jesus it was a Cross else there will be no inscription to hang over His head. chatinent: Please read: Mat 27:37-38: "And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS. Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand , and another on the left." Then answer the questions below. 1. If Jesus died on a stake rather than a cross, how come the SIGN was above his HEAD rather than above His HANDs 2. How come the two thieves are at his left and right HANDS rather than his left and right SIDES? Jesus was crucified on a cross NOT a stake! Finally, the CROSS as an emblem has no iota of significance in worship. So, the physical CROSS shouldn't have any place in Christian worship. |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by TheSourcerer: 10:56pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
chatinent:nailed , bleeped , banged , get it figuratively to a cross ? Smh And No I didn't bother reading it's all the same BS jesus this Jesus that ,yet no definite Answer. . I've heard enough Jesus for one day , worst part it's Sunday , Bible thumpers will start filling seats |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by chatinent: 11:00pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
shadeyinka:Let's draw an analogy from your postulations. 1. You mean it will be wrong if a sign was actually over is hands above the pole and was written 'over his head?' Isn't it really still over his head? 2. Funnily enough, even if one isn't nailed to anything and is just standing, one can really tell who's on the left and right. . Please be constructive on your next post with more scriptural references or other credible references as I did mine. Thanks. |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by shadeyinka(m): 11:11pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
chatinent:I gave you Mat 27:37-38, did you read it? 1. Why isn't your argument that the sign was above Jesus's Body.? Above His HEAD is different from above His HANDs. 2. By his left or right is logical rather than by His left Hand or right Hand? I won't be surprised is you are a JW. It is you people who reinterprete the scriptures to suit your doctrines. If the answer above isn't okay with you, too bad as we all know that you derive joy in calling Black- White just because the old men in your headquarters have brainwashed you so. Good night 1 Like |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by Lessonteacher(f): 11:17pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
i find the subject irrelevant |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by doggedfighter(f): 11:19pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
Nonsensical 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by chatinent: 11:24pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
shadeyinka:Please look up the dictionary meanings for 'above' and 'righthand.' Thanks. |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by shadeyinka(m): 11:28pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
chatinent: The Romans crucify criminals on either a STAKE or a CROSS or a "T" or "X" shaped wooden contraption. However, in the case of Jesus it was a Cross else there will be no inscription to hang over His head. Please read: Mat 27:37-38: "And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS. Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand , and another on the left." Then answer the questions below. 1. If Jesus died on a stake rather than a cross, how come the SIGN was above his HEAD rather than above His HANDs 2. How come the two thieves are at his left and right HANDS rather than his left and right SIDES? Jesus was crucified on a cross NOT a stake! Finally, the CROSS as an emblem has no iota of significance in worship. So, the physical CROSS shouldn't have any place in Christian worship. |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by hahn(m): 11:56pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
It never happened 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by Kobojunkie: 4:22am On Jun 14, 2020 |
@OP, if your point is to say that worshipping or having the image of a cross is idolatry, why not go straight to that? And that would be the truth. But trying to start a debate on whether Jesus wss nailed on a + or a plank and the lot will nit get you there. The disciples/ apostles in fact had the image of a fish to mark their locations and guide each other to homes that were Christian back in the day. The worship of the cross came in when after the death of the apostles, Christianity was eventually hijacked by greedy Bishops who wanted power and authority/ control over the administration of God and the things of God, just like their predecessors the pharisees and sadducees. These power hungry/greedy bishops made the decision to make the cross a symbol of Christianity instead, leading to its eventual worship by some. |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by AntiChristian: 5:33am On Jun 14, 2020 |
Q: Was God crucified on a stake or cross? Mr A: Cross. Mr B: No, stake. Bible: Silent. Holy Spirit A: Cross! Holy spirit B: Stake! 2 Likes |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by TheSourcerer: 6:45am On Jun 14, 2020 |
doggedfighter:Jesus forgive you , how can you boldly come out and write 'nonsensical' on an holy thread like this , why are sinners plenty like this Op, me I can't take these sinners anymore oh ! |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by TheSourcerer: 6:48am On Jun 14, 2020 |
AntiChristian:it's like 2+ 2 Chinese Mathematician =22 Greek Mathematician ,= 44 Nigerian MathemathMath = 0.22 Smh 1 Like |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by TheSourcerer: 6:52am On Jun 14, 2020 |
shadeyinka:this is one confused post . |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by shadeyinka(m): 7:30am On Jun 14, 2020 |
TheSourcerer:Why do you people hate the truth so bad? Mat 27:37-38: "And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS. Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand , and another on the left ." |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by TheSourcerer: 7:34am On Jun 14, 2020 |
shadeyinka:wrong person to quote bro I give literally and figuratively no ounce of fvck for Jesus , no single oucne Quote Righteousness89 or those other mfs 2 Likes |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by Janosky: 7:41am On Jun 14, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Is that inscription ('written, "THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS" '), the instrument of Jesus Christ execution? Your claim is baseless and FRAUDULENT. |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by doggedfighter(f): 7:45am On Jun 14, 2020 |
TheSourcerer: Father forgive them for they know what they do |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by doggedfighter(f): 7:47am On Jun 14, 2020 |
TheSourcerer: Father forgive them for they know not what they do |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by Lessonteacher(f): 7:52am On Jun 14, 2020 |
TheSourcerer:get the hell out of here |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by orisa37: 8:02am On Jun 14, 2020 |
God reveals Himself to all His chosen Ones in SPIRIT. Remember, "For our Sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered Death and was Buried". His last Words on The Cross was, "FATHER UNTO THY HANDS I COMMEND MY SPIRITS". The Cross was a method, though worthy of Recognition, of dying, but it's not a VALUABLE CONSIDERATION FOR HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION. From Orunto27. |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by Janosky: 8:15am On Jun 14, 2020 |
orisa37: What is this one saying? IDOL WORSHIPPERS in disguise. |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by chatinent: 10:30am On Jun 14, 2020 |
shadeyinka:The ancient Romans never used a T-shaped item in execution. Thanks. Lalasticlala, Seun, fp please. |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by Xmuslim: 2:50pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
I can never accept the concept of crucifixion of jesus as a way of forgiveness of my sin. It makes Christian god looks ridiculous and incompetent. Maybe because I wasn't born a Christian - no crucifixion indoctrination in me. Perhaps it's easy for Christian because of early childhood indoctrination 1 Like |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by Xmuslim: 2:59pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
TheSourcerer: 1 Like |
Re: Did Jesus Die On A Cross? by shadeyinka(m): 3:23pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
TheSourcerer:No wonder peace had eluded you a long time ago! |
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