freshboi88:


So much mumbo jumbo in one post. U said he "became" Everlasting Father when he paid the price for our sin. I'm only taking u up on Ur obvious lie

By your statement "became". It then means Isaiah would have been wrong to call him Everlasting Father since as at the time of the prophesy he had not yet paid the price, so it was wrong for Isaiah to call him Everlasting Father.

Do u get the drift now.......not everyone is dull dude so stop spewing rubbish analysis that can only come from the mind of a 6 year old

Maximus69:


My friend you're only dribbling yourself over nothing!

Isaiah said he will be called

Wonderful Counselor~ Teaching

Mighty God~ Performing great works

Everlasting Father~ Pay to purchase Adam's descendants

Prince of Peace~ Organization his followers to make a global Peaceful group!

freshboi88:


Let me ask u this. Was there ever a time Jesus wasn't Everlasting Father?

Maximus69:


All those positions he attained one after the other!

©He was born to humans when Mary gave birth to him.
©The anointing to rule he got after his baptism {Luke 3:21-22} but just like David he must wait until the command to begin ruling! Psalms 110:1
©He started COUNSELING people afterwards as the wonderful counselor.
©He started Performing great works as the MIGHY GOD in the midst of God's people (Emmanuel)
©He became the EVERLASTING FATHER of all Obedient descendants of Adam when he purchased us with his blood.
©He became the PRINCE of PEACE when he organized Jehovah's Witnesses his true followers on earth as the one and only global group of peace loving worshipers!

So everything was one by one Sir just as Isaiah listed those offices! Isaiah 9:6

freshboi88:


Reading ur response is making shed for u.

Question 1:Did the apostles also become Mighty God too when they started performing miracles.

Question 2: so now that's he's Everlasting Father, how many Fathers do we now have?

Maximus69:


Jesus cured all forms of illnesses, he was never sick but his followers got sick themselves and couldn't cure themselves so they're not Gods! 1Timothy 5:23



Adam was our father but God is his father, Adam infected all his descendants with sin sickness and death, Jesus as our new father who will never die again will pass on everlasting life to all Obedient descendants of Adam! 1Corinthians 15:45

God bless you!

freshboi88:


Have you forgotten that u earlier said that it was when Jesus started performing great works of miracle that he attained the position of Mighty God. Meaning he initially was not Mighty God.

In the same vain, the fact the apostles could not perform miracles initially mean they too like Jesus attained their Mighty God status when they started performing miracles right?.

How many Fathers do we have?

Maximus69:


There were many mighty spirit beings in heaven but none of them lived amongst us so the term son burn to us and mighty God is talking about the same person Sir!

His followers performed mighty works for sure but they got sick themselves and couldn't cure themselves!

As for father, i've told you already but you only need to take it easy, Adam was our father but he passed on sickness and death to us that's why we're getting sick, growing old and dying.

God is the father of all creations! John 20:17

freshboi88:


I dnt understand how Ur first paragraph fits into this discussion.

So let me get u clearly again so was it the fact that Jesus didn't fall sick or that he performed miracles that made him mighty God?.....be clear n stop shifting goal post.


So now how many Fathers do we have?

Maximus69:


Good night Sir, do have a lovely night!

freshboi88:


Do what you do best run away when Ur lies are been scrutinized

Maximus69:


Good morning Sir, how was your night?

LIES are things that aren't true, there is just one way to detect it, lies won't work out what is benefitial!

So if you now term what is benefitting those who are adhering to it globally as 'lies' then you'll need to present the truth and it's benefits.

Once again, good morning Sir.

God bless you!

freshboi88:


Thrash!!!

Maximus69:


Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

KNOWMORE56:


Jesus says if you (Maximus69) don't believe that he is He, you will die in your sins.

John 8:24 "
KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR sins.


And one of the Prophets ask you "why will you die, o Maximus69?

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Ezekiel 33:11 "


The Bible says ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM and FOR HIM.

He is the possessor of ALL THINGS.

*. Colossians 1 16 "KJV:For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and FOR HIM

*. Revelation 4:11 "KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created ALL THINGS, and FOR THY PLEASURE they are and were created.

One of you asked to know who are the sons of Jesus.

And I answered that all who are created by HIM are His sons by creation.

All who are redeemed by HIM are HIS sons by redemption.

Who shall we believe, your organization or God ?

God says He used His hands to create all things.

Isaiah 45 :12 "
KJV:I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, EVEN MY HANDS, HAVE stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Maximus69:


Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

KNOWMORE56:


Jesus is the image of the Father is not the only reason He is the true God.

Jesus is prayed to and He answers prayers.

Jesus said categorically that what ever you ask him in prayer, He will do it.

*. John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO it.

Only the true God answers prayers.

Stephen, the Bible says he's full of the Holy Ghost, prayed to Him.

*. Acts7:59 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

This Stephen, after he saw Jesus, his face started shining like an angel.

*. Acts 6:15 "KJV:And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the FACE OF AN ANGEL.

Note: it took Moses 40 days and 40 nights to have this kind of face.

*. Exodus 34:29 "KJV:And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in MOSES' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his FACE SHONE while he talked with him.

what am I saying?

I'm saying Moses associated with the Father and his face shone.

Stephen associated with the Son and his face shone.

Maximus69:


I believe that Jesus is the Christ Sir, that's why i am trying to learn more about what he taught while he was here!

My boss back then told me he build his business empire with his own hands, please does it mean that he had nobody working with him to build it?
NO!
What he meant is that the initiative comes from him!

Jesus was with God as a worker when God was creating everything, he was the one God was giving the instructions do this do that?
So try to learn instead of jumping to conclusions!

Maximus69:


Jesus has a God that he prayed to so i'm worshiping the God that Jesus worshiped, Jesus is NOT my own God, period!

Maximus69:


Jesus has a God that he prayed to so i'm worshiping the God that Jesus worshiped, Jesus is NOT my own God, period!

Maximus69:


Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

Maximus69:


Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

Janosky:




Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic are the original Bible languages existing before English Translations..
Whatever you read in English, if its different from the Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic meaning, then it is NOT GENUINE but FRAUDULENT



In Isaiah 9:6, and John 20:28 NWT agreed that the Son is the true God .

When human/angel is referred to as god, it always carries small letter g.

In religious matters, anywhere you see the big letter G, it's talking about the True God. This is a kind of law in English writing.

As it is now, the NWT have knowingly or unknowingly agreed that the Son is the true God.

This happened because the truth (which is Jesus) won't be hidden, no matter how much you try!
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KNOWMORE56:


Jesus is the image of the Father is not the only reason He is the true God.

Jesus is prayed to and He answers prayers.

Jesus said categorically that what ever you ask him in prayer, He will do it.

*. John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO it.

Only the true God answers prayers.

Stephen, the Bible says he's full of the Holy Ghost, prayed to Him.

*. Acts7:59 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

This Stephen, after he saw Jesus, his face started shining like an angel.

*. Acts 6:15 "KJV:And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the FACE OF AN ANGEL.

Note: it took Moses 40 days and 40 nights to have this kind of face.

*. Exodus 34:29 "KJV:And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in MOSES' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his FACE SHONE while he talked with him.

what am I saying?

I'm saying Moses associated with the Father and his face shone.

Stephen associated with the Son and his face shone.

Jesus has a God that he prayed to so i'm worshiping the God that Jesus worshiped, Jesus is NOT my own God, period! smiley
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Maximus69:


Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

Jesus is the image of the Father is not the only reason He is the true God.

Jesus is prayed to and He answers prayers.

Jesus said categorically that what ever you ask him in prayer, He will do it.

*. John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO it.

Only the true God answers prayers.

Stephen, the Bible says he's full of the Holy Ghost, prayed to Him.

*. Acts7:59 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

This Stephen, after he saw Jesus, his face started shining like an angel.

*. Acts 6:15 "KJV:And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the FACE OF AN ANGEL.

Note: it took Moses 40 days and 40 nights to have this kind of face.

*. Exodus 34:29 "KJV:And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in MOSES' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his FACE SHONE while he talked with him.

what am I saying?

I'm saying Moses associated with the Father and his face shone.

Stephen associated with the Son and his face shone.
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KNOWMORE56:


Jesus says if you (Maximus69) don't believe that he is He, you will die in your sins.

John 8:24 "
KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR sins.


And one of the Prophets ask you "why will you die, o Maximus69?

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Ezekiel 33:11 "


The Bible says ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM and FOR HIM.

He is the possessor of ALL THINGS.

*. Colossians 1 16 "KJV:For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and FOR HIM

*. Revelation 4:11 "KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created ALL THINGS, and FOR THY PLEASURE they are and were created.

One of you asked to know who are the sons of Jesus.

And I answered that all who are created by HIM are His sons by creation.

All who are redeemed by HIM are HIS sons by redemption.

Who shall we believe, your organization or God ?

God says He used His hands to create all things.

Isaiah 45 :12 "
KJV:I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, EVEN MY HANDS, HAVE stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.


I believe that Jesus is the Christ Sir, that's why i am trying to learn more about what he taught while he was here! cheesy

My boss back then told me he build his business empire with his own hands, please does it mean that he had nobody working with him to build it?
NO!
What he meant is that the initiative comes from him!

Jesus was with God as a worker when God was creating everything, he was the one God was giving the instructions do this do that?
So try to learn instead of jumping to conclusions! smiley
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Maximus69:


Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

Jesus says if you (Janosky) don't believe that he is He, you will die in your sins.

John 8:24 "
KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR sins.




Jesus Christ himself told KNOWMORE he will do WHATEVER his God and Father commands him.. John 7:16. John 14:31,
Bros, una want to change the holy Bible by fire by force

Romans 11:35-36 , Ephesians 3:14-15.
Yahweh Himself CREATED Jesus Christ.
In heaven,Jesus is still OBEYING his Father's Command

Janosky:


Bros, your Diversionary tactics won't change the DUBIOUS KJV FRAUD of Acts 7:59......
(Bros,you dey see the Screenshots here ?)

Hosea 12:3-4, Psalms 8:5 calls angels "God"/god-."
Bros,deal with it.
John 17:3,17. Jesus Christ says himself is NOT the one true God Almighty.

Luke 9:35, John 1:18, Exodus 33:20 Yahweh Says your John 1:1 claim is a FRAUD.

NWT ,Emphatic Diaglott are very correct. The Bible versions similar to NWT were done by Trinitarians who found out that your John 1:1 claim is FRAUDULENT.

Janosky:


Bros, your Diversionary tactics won't change the DUBIOUS KJV FRAUD of Acts 7:59......
(Bros,you dey see the Screenshots here ?)

Hosea 12:3-4, Psalms 8:5 calls angels "God"/god-."
Bros,deal with it.
John 17:3,17. Jesus Christ says himself is NOT the one true God Almighty.

Luke 9:35, John 1:18, Exodus 33:20 Yahweh Says your John 1:1 claim is a FRAUD.

NWT ,Emphatic Diaglott are very correct. The Bible versions similar to NWT were done by Trinitarians who found out that your John 1:1 claim is FRAUDULENT.

KNOWMORE56:


The meaning of the '1st born of every creature' is as follows

Jesus (God the Son) becomes all things that was created.

Any group of creatures He changed into, He becomes 1st born/Chief/oga/ principal of the group.

He abandoned His office as the true God and descended to be Chief of:

Angel, man, animal,plant, rock, water, food, light, etc.

Anytime you see something like this, it means they are using/ referring to the other of His offices.

JESUS IN HIS OFFICES
1. In His highest office; He is God (John
1:1-3; )

2. In His lower office; He's an Angel
(Joshua 5:13)

3. In His lower-than-angels office; He's a
Man/human being (Acts 2:22)

4. In His lower-than-human office; He's a
Lamb, Lion (i.e animal) John 1:29;
Revelation 7:17; 5:5

5. In His lower-than-animal office; He's a
Plant (John 15:1-2; Matthew 15:13)

6. In His lower-than-plant office; He's a
Rock (1 Corinthians 10:4; Psalms
18:31,46)

7. In His lower-than-rock office; He's a Food (John 6:33,35,48).

Colossians 1 :18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT in ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE the PREEMINENCE.

Ephesians 4: 10 "KJV:He that DESCENDED is THE SAME also that ASCENDED up far above all heavens, THAT HE MIGHT FILL ALL THINGS.)

It is in this His other offices that makes you think the creator is created.

KNOWMORE56:



One of ways to know the true God is by understanding nature/attributes


FATHER/SON ANSWERS PRAYERS:

*. Revelation 5:8 "
KJV:And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders FELL DOWN BEFORE THE LAMB, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are THE PRAYERS OF SAINTS.

NOTE!
the Son, in appearance of lamb, is being WORSHIPPED by the 4 beasts and the 24 elders.

QUESTIONS:
1. ARE your organization elders greater than these elders?

2. In that same verse, can't you see that the prayers of the saints are received by the Son?

3. In Acts 7:59, you didn't understand that Stephen is praying to Jesus?

FATHER/SON IS THE LIGHT:

NOTE: Jesus was, is and shall be light.

His disciples are only light for now.

*. Psalms 27:1 "
1
KJV: THE LORD IS my LIGHT and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? (i.e the Father)

*. Revelation 21:23 "KJV:And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the LAMB IS THE LIGHT thereof.(i.e the Son)

*. John8:12 "KJV:Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM THE LIGHT of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.(i.e the Son)

You no dey diguoh (knee down, bow, prostrate) for your Elders or parents ?
Na worship you dey worship them ?
Revelations 5:10, did the 24 Elders and the Lamb (Jesus) worship the same God in heaven?
Is that God, Jesus Christ?
Bros,Rev5:14, the 24 Elders WORSHIPPED the God of the Lamb, NOT the Lamb. (Revelations 19:4, Bible truth).

Bros, Matthew 4:10 is IMMUTABLE, you hear?

Peacefullove:

So God was making False Gods when he called us Gods ?
Jesus is a false god too if humans and Angel's are false god.

I still demand where Jesus is called OUR GOD ??

Quote where Jesus called anyone MY SON ??

Mumu

Quote anywhere Jesus called anyone My son ?

His brothers not his sons ? U no well

Janosky:




Janosky LIENUS, Jesus is not the God of Mr Russell. FACT !!!

Mr Russell NEVER prayed to Jesus Christ.
FACT !!!

WAYO man Na your way. You must ADD your own Maggi and Pepper to TWIST the Fact.

Emusan:


Olodo....so you don't even understand that verse where the Bible says "Ye are gods" but open your dirty mouth to spew nonsense.

If Jesus is a false god then Jehovah has being with a false god from beginning.... I know you just said that nonsense for argument sake not that you really believe Jesus is a false god.

John 1:1
Heb 1:6

Ode....if whatever the Father has belongs to the Son, isn't that make you Jesus son?

Besides, Jesus created you and gave you life so, you're His son.

What is the significance of being EVERLASTING FATHER is the question you haven't answered since?

Since we're sons of Abraham then Abraham is Jehovah God....oponu

Go back and read the book of Hebrew again so that you'll know the reason He called us His brothers and sisters.

KNOWMORE56:



The Bible says He created all things by Himself and for Himself.

Did your boss workers took possession of the things?

Another thing I want you to know is


the reason for the translation of the Bible from Hebrew/Aramaic to English, it's to help readers in English understand what it's saying.

In Isaiah 9:6, and John 20:28 NWT agreed that the Son is the true God .

When human/angel is referred to as god, it always carries small letter g.

In religious matters, anywhere you see the big letter G, it's talking about the True God. This is a kind of law in English writing.

As it is now, the NWT have knowingly or unknowingly agreed that the Son is the true God.

This happened because the truth (which is Jesus) won't be hidden, no matter how much you try!

Peacefullove:

Mumu , U don arrive after your vacation ... Have you now gotten the verse where Jesus is called our God now ? Still No ?
Was God making False Gods when he called us Gods ? Mumu
Silly man.
Just as you didnt believe humans are false Gods, do you actually agree God was making false Gods ?
Where is " OUR GOD " in those verses ??
Where am I called Jesus son ? Are you okay at all ?
Nobody is ever called Jesus son. Take it today! Jesus is not the creator. That is why you will never see anyone addressed as his son
He came to give everlasting life , the same reason he became our brother according to you .
At least show me where anyone is called Jesus son ?
U already stated a reason. So coming to save man make him our brother NOT Father ??
It seems your head has issues when u are trying to use Isaiah 9:6