MuttleyLaff:


"Jesus knew what they were thinking, so He asked them,
“Why do you have such evil thoughts in your hearts?"
- Matthew 9:4

"But Jesus, knowing what they were thinking in their heart,
took a child and stood him by His side"
- Luke 9:47

Whose does something like Matthew 9:4 and Luke 9:47, seeing into the heart with physical eyes? It is only God whose does those, no natural human beings does. Jesus is God because it is only God who sees into the workings of the heart

Jesus too is an Angel, lmao. Made various visits to earth, in the capacity of the Angel of the Lord, (i.e. as Messenger of God/Yahweh/YHWH) prior to the incarnation circa 4000 years ago

@bold, the angel of the Lord is the angel of the Father and the Word, that is, He is the angel of God
He speaks with all the auhority of God, as if He is God

Jesus sent His angel to give His revelation to john
it was the angel of the Lord that spoke to the churches as if He was the Lord Jesus Christ Himself


Jesus sent His revelation by His angel to john:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

my opinion love luff



@underline: yes

Father God also makes it clear that Jesus is not an angel:

Heb 1:1  God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 
Heb 1:2  Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 
Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 
Heb 1:4  Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 
Heb 1:5  For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 
Heb 1:6  And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 
Heb 1:7  And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 
Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 
Heb 1:10  And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 
Heb 1:11  They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 
Heb 1:12  And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 
Heb 1:13  But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 
Heb 1:14  Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? 


^^ of course false jw do the twist on that

johnw47:
Father God also makes it clear that Jesus is not an angel:

Heb 1:1  God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 
Heb 1:2  Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 
Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 
Heb 1:4  Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 
Heb 1:5  For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 
Heb 1:6  And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 
Heb 1:7  And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 
Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 
Heb 1:10  And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 
Heb 1:11  They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 
Heb 1:12  And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 
Heb 1:13  But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 
Heb 1:14  Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? 


^^ of course false jw do the twist on that

The underlined is a question not a pronouncement!

Of course Michael (Jesus) was one of the foremost as in the first set of angels, and he is the first even amongst the first set to be created. Proverbs 8:22
Just like a family of three (father, mother and son) before any other child is born they enjoyed so much time together until about 15 years later that the parents had another child, surely it's the parents that will tell the newly born child that the first born also came the same way like him!
God doesn't need a wife to produce a child so Michael (Jesus) was God's first born it was when the earthly children of God had problems that Michael the eldest of all God's children took it upon himself to redeem his earthly junior brothers back to the father of all (GOD). John 20:17
Taking up this task is what earned him a higher position amongst others than the glory be had before {John 17:5} because none of his spirit brothers had the type of feelings Jesus (Michael) had for humans!
It was this same Michael that led the angels that were sent to inspect Sodom and Gomorrah before destroying it. But his love for humans is what made him to often have the restraint in dealing decisively with humans {Genesis 18:12-15} unlike other angels that would have gotten angry at man's slightest blunder! Genesis 32:25 compare to Luke 1:20

Did you notice how Sarah scornfully laughed at the angel representating Jehovah? and how tenderly this angel let it go? Please compare to the way other angels treat humans who doubted God's power or made other mistakes! 2Samuel 6:6-10

So Michael (Jesus) always treat humans with so much compassion because according to him out of all the creatures God used him to create, he love humans most {Proverbs 8:31}
That's why he always stand up to assist humans all the time {Daniel 10:13, 12:1} so after his willingness to volunteer himself for the salvation of humans {John 19:30} God gave Michael (Jesus) a higher position than all the other angels even though they often regard him as one of the greatest amongst them but now he has earned the greatest name in the spirit realms {Philippians 2:9-10} that's why the Bible said he attained such lofty position in heaven, God is still above him anytime, anyday! 1Corinthians 15:25-28

Maximus69:


The underlined is a question not a pronouncement!

duh pharisee false jw max of course it's a question, and Father God never said to a angel: "Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool"
Father God said it to the Lord Jesus Christ

Maximus69:
Of course Michael (Jesus) was one of the foremost as in the first set of angels, and he is the first even amongst the first set to be created.
Just like a family of three (father, mother and son) before any other child is born they enjoyed so much time together until about 15 years later that the parents had another child, surely it's the parents that will tell the newly born child that the first born also came the same way like him!
God doesn't need a wife to produce a child so Michael (Jesus) was God's first born it was when the earthly children of God had problems that Michael the eldest of all God's children took it upon himself to redeem his earthly junior brothers back to the father of all (GOD).
Taking up this task is what earned him a higher position amongst others than the glory be had before because none of his spirit brothers had the type of feelings Jesus (Michael) had for humans!
It was the same Michael that led the angels that were sent to inspect Sodom and Gomorrah before destroying it. But his love for humans is what made him to often have the restraint in dealing decisively with humans {Genesis 18:12-15} unlike other angels that would have gotten angry at man's slightest blunder! Genesis 32:25 compare to Luke 1:20

Did you notice how Sarah scornfully laughed at the angel representating Jehovah, and how tenderly this angel let it go? Please compare to the way other angels treat humans who doubted God's power or made other mistakes! 2Samuel 6:6-10

So Michael (Jesus) always treat humans with so much compassion because according to him out of all the creatures God used him to create, he love humans most {Proverbs 8:31}
That's why he always stand up to assist humans all the time {Daniel 10:13, 12:1} so after his willingness to volunteer himself for the salvation of humans, God gave Michael (Jesus) a higher position than all the other angels even though they often regard him as one of the greatest amongst them but now he has earned the greatest name in the spirit realms that's why the Bible made it clear that though he attained such lofty position in heaven, God is still above him anytime, anyday! 1Corinthians 15:25-28

know nothing false jw max, your usual twisted unbiblical stories


Father clearly says: "Thy Throne O God"

and does not say: "God is your throne" <as you false jw's twist - lie

vvv

MuttleyLaff:


"Jesus knew what they were thinking, so He asked them,
“Why do you have such evil thoughts in your hearts?"
- Matthew 9:4

"But Jesus, knowing what they were thinking in their heart,
took a child and stood him by His side"
- Luke 9:47

Whose does something like Matthew 9:4 and Luke 9:47, seeing into the heart with physical eyes? It is only God whose does those, no natural human beings does. Jesus is God because it is only God who sees into the workings of the heart

Jesus too is an Angel, lmao. Made various visits to earth, in the capacity of the Angel of the Lord, (i.e. as Messenger of God/Yahweh/YHWH) prior to the incarnation circa 4000 years ago

Jesus (Michael) lived in heaven for years we can't know before coming to the earth, but when he got hear all what he knew about heaven and his prehuman existence was taken from him until the day he presented himself for baptism before John.
That was the day God restored his memory back to him, before then Jesus lived like any other human child, he learnt his foster father's handiwork (carpentry) so everyone knew him as the carpenter {Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3} afterwards his whole life changed totally from that of a normal human to something really strange even to his mother and brothers! Mark 3:21
What happened to him after baptism was really noteworthy, God's holy spirit entered this young man and began redirecting all his moves and thoughts, so if you're standing before Jesus, the spirit in him can enable him to read not only your countenance but even your inner thoughts!
All these is just to help his contemporaries IDENTIFY him as the promised Christ (Messiah) {Matthew 16:16 compare to John 6:67-69} despite all these, majority of his contemporaries found it hard to believe that Jesus is the Messiah! John 10:20

So just as he himself said "with God all things are possible" {Matthew 19:26} he was able to do all these not by his own as God as misinformed churchgoers do think but because Jesus (Michael) relied on God to help him! Hebrew 5:7

Definitely he is not the Almighty God!

johnw47:


Father God never said to a angel: "Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool"

Someone said to him "sit at my right hand" {Psalms 110:1} that person will ever continue to be his superior forever and ever! 1Corinthians 15:27-28
Of course that was after his earthly assignment has been successful {John 19:30} not before he came to the earth! Act 2:33-36 compare to Act 7:56

So before he came to the earth he was just like any other angels in heaven, they knew him as their eldest brother, but after his earthly assignment everything about him changed!
Even your classmate that you both spent so much time together from primary to the university, if he is elected as the President of Nigeria today has earned himself a name greater than any of your former school mates, right from that time all of you must start to address him as "Mr President" surely that's not the name his father and mother gave him at birth neither did any of you (his friends) knew him by that name until his appointment!

johnw47:


duh pharisee false jw max of course it's a question, and Father God never said to a angel: "Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool"
Father God said it to the Lord Jesus Christ



know nothing false jw max, your usual twisted unbiblical stories


Father clearly says: "Thy Throne O God"

and does not say: "God is your throne" <as you false jw's twist - lie

vvv

Komot this Hebrews 1:8 FRAUD from this thread jare.....
Revelations 3:21 (1Chron 29:23. Luke 1:31-33), Jesus Christ says your Hebrews 1:8 is a FRAUD.
The original Hebrews 1:8-9 is a copy of Psalms 45:6-8

Your old testament Bible was translated majorly from the Masoretic Text (the MT is over a thousand years far older than any Bible in existence anywhere) Psalms 45:6-8 in the Masoretic Text is VERY DIFFERENT from your Hebrews 1:8 FRAUD.
But the NWT, GNT and several other Bible versions were in accord with the Masoretic Text.
The Catholic Jerusalem Bible gives PROOF that your Hebrews 1:8 is a FRAUD.
Go and read Psalms 45:6-8, Catholic Jerusalem Bible and compare it with your Hebrews 1:8 FRAUD.
.

Isaiah 28:5, Yahweh is a Crown for His People.
Therefore, God can as well be a throne for His Son & people.

The screenshots speaks for itself......
WAYO johnw FRAUD Man

Janosky:


Komot this Hebrews 1:8 FRAUD from this thread jare.....
Revelations 3:21 (1Chron 29:23. Luke 1:31-33), Jesus Christ says your Hebrews 1:8 is a FRAUD.
The original Hebrews 1:8-9 is a copy of Psalms 45:6-8

Your old testament Bible was translated majorly from the Masoretic Text (the MT is over a thousand years far older than any Bible in existence anywhere) Psalms 45:6-8 in the Masoretic Text is VERY DIFFERENT from your Hebrews 1:8 FRAUD.
But the NWT, GNT and several other Bible versions were in accord with the Masoretic Text.
The Catholic Jerusalem Bible gives PROOF that your Hebrews 1:8 is a FRAUD.
Go and read Psalms 45:6-8, Catholic Jerusalem Bible and compare it with your Hebrews 1:8 FRAUD.
.

Isaiah 28:5, Yahweh is a Crown for His People.
Therefore, God can as well be a throne for His Son & people.

The screenshots speaks for itself......
WAYO johnw FRAUD Man

They often jump to conclusions whenever they sight any translation that resembles their innate erroneous man-made doctrine.

For instance, my uncle who was an Ifa priest once told me that Jesus also consult the oracles to know how he should respond to people!

Well i asked him "is there any backing for this" my uncle quoted the book of John 8:6 according to this KJV's translation, Jesus was writing something on the ground with his finger, so my uncle concluded that Jesus was consulting the Oracle just as he (my uncle) and his cohorts often write something on the sand to know secret things!

Please how can you help my uncle when the account was not even found in the older manuscripts?

So churchgoers are just looking for ways to support their TRINITY God even though their God can't make any changes in the way Trinitarians treat themselves like strangers globally!

Maximus69:


Someone said to him "sit at my right hand" {Psalms 110:1} that person will ever continue to be his superior forever and ever! 1Corinthians 15:27-28
Of course that was after his earthly assignment has been successful {John 19:30} not before he came to the earth! Act 2:33-36 compare to Act 7:56

So before he came to the earth he was just like any other angels in heaven, they knew him as their eldest brother, but after his earthly assignment everything about him changed!
Even your classmate that you both spent so much time together from primary to the university, if he is elected as the President of Nigeria today has earned himself a name greater than any of your former school mates, right from that time all of you must start to address him as "Mr President" surely that's not the name his father and mother gave him at birth neither did any of you (his friends) knew him by that name until his appointment!

deceiver false jw max

forever running away from truth

it was not about Father being superior
it was about the Lord Jesus Chris not being a angel, which i showed


antichrist false jw max, i'm glad you are ashamed to call yourself a christian and are unable to glorify God, you of course never was:

1Pe_4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Janosky:


Komot this Hebrews 1:8 FRAUD from this thread jare.....
Revelations 3:21 (1Chron 29:23. Luke 1:31-33), Jesus Christ says your Hebrews 1:8 is a FRAUD.
The original Hebrews 1:8-9 is a copy of Psalms 45:6-8

Your old testament Bible was translated majorly from the Masoretic Text (the MT is over a thousand years far older than any Bible in existence anywhere) Psalms 45:6-8 in the Masoretic Text is VERY DIFFERENT from your Hebrews 1:8 FRAUD.
But the NWT, GNT and several other Bible versions were in accord with the Masoretic Text.
The Catholic Jerusalem Bible gives PROOF that your Hebrews 1:8 is a FRAUD.
Go and read Psalms 45:6-8, Catholic Jerusalem Bible and compare it with your Hebrews 1:8 FRAUD.
.

Isaiah 28:5, Yahweh is a Crown for His People.
Therefore, God can as well be a throne for His Son & people.

The screenshots speaks for itself......
WAYO johnw FRAUD Man

know nothing big mouth, fraud jw Janosky/OneJ

oh duh duh duh, truly God won't become a crown, He will be like a crown of glory, and a diadem of beauty, to the residue of His people
just like Father God won't become a throne for Jesus to sit on Him, the Lord Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of Father God on the throne of God

and why wouldn't God - Father and the Word, sit on the throne of God:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Maximus69:


They often jump to conclusions whenever they sight any translation that resembles their innate erroneous man-made doctrine.

For instance, my uncle who was an Ifa priest once told me that Jesus also consult the oracles to know how he should respond to people!

Well i asked him "is there any backing for this" my uncle quoted the book of John 8:6 according to this KJV's translation, Jesus was writing something on the ground with his finger, so my uncle concluded that Jesus was consulting the Oracle just as he (my uncle) and his cohorts often write something on the sand to know secret things!

Please how can you help my uncle when the account was not even found in the older manuscripts?

So churchgoers are just looking for ways to support their TRINITY God even though their God can't make any changes in the way Trinitarians treat themselves like strangers globally!

pharisee false jw max

the blinded leadind the blinded:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

false jw's don't call themselves christians after Christ

fraud jw's Janosky and Maximus69
antichristians - antichrists

johnw47:


deceiver false jw max

forever running away from truth

it was not about Father being superior
it was about the Lord Jesus Chris not being a angel, which i showed


antichrist false jw max, i'm glad you are ashamed to call yourself a christian and are unable to glorify God, you of course never was:

1Pe_4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Never mind Sir, i'll prefer not to be identified with whatever you choose to be called so that everyone can see that i'm different from you and your cohorts!

johnw47:
false jw's don't call themselves christians after Christ

fraud jw's Janosky and Maximus69
antichristians - antichrists

Produce the fruit Sir, not just group name!

Maximus69:


Produce the fruit Sir, not just group name!

Maximus69: Produce the fruit Sir, not just group name


Achorladey: the GROUP and the name of the GROUP no dey important AGAIN? It's now produce the FRUIT.

Through with you!

achorladey:



Maximus69: Produce the fruit Sir, not just group name


Achorladey: the GROUP and the name of the GROUP no dey important AGAIN? It's now produce the FRUIT.

In the beginning God blessed Adam and Eve {Genesis 1:27-28} we are supposed to be connected to God through our parents but Adam and Eve rebelled against our heavenly father {Genesis 3:6} and we can no more connect to our God directly for the same kind of blessings those Rebels received, rather we have been infected with sickness, suffering, oldage and death! Genesis 3:17-19 compare to Romans 5:12
Since then Satan (deceiver) began ruling amongst humans and with his crafty ways Satan always win the majority {Genesis 6:1-8} that was the birth of Organizations belonging to the true God!
Noah and his family served as the first organized people belonging to God out of all others who has been blinded by Satan's cobwebs. Later God called Abraham and everyone started claiming Abraham's offsprings, then God chose Isaac and out Isaac's two sons God chose Jacob, these made most people to start claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!
Later Satan polluted the worship of Jacob's children (Israelites) so the nation divided into two: Jews and Samaritans, Jesus made it clear that despite that God never accepted the worship of all but only that of the Jews! John 4:22
The Jews condemned Jesus so God abandoned them and started dealing with Jesus' followers (Christians)

Today there are over 41,000 religions claiming Christians on earth, so in the year 1931 Jehovah separated his own people and gave them a special name that can't be polluted like all the other names that Satan has been profaning all these while like
©Adam's descendants
©Noah's children
©Abraham's offsprings
©Israelites
©Jews
©Christians

All these group names has been tainted by lies and deceit, so all of them can't figure out what is right or wrong when it comes to pure worship, even if they argue amongst themselves they'll still do so many acts of worship and festivities together in the name of their disguised God SATAN! 2Corinthians 4:4

JEHOVAH is using his mighty spirit son (Jesus) to gather all peace loving worshipers into one group and gave them a new name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Isaiah 65:15

So were we Adam's descendants, Noah's children, Abraham's offsprings, Israelites, Jews and Christians?

YES of course, but all those group names Satan has profaned with his deception!

Rozz:
When it comes to religious matters we have to use our heads sometimes.Trinity, in Christian doctrine is the unity of the father ,son and holy spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be one of central christian affirmations about God. It is rooted in the fact that God came to meet christians in a threefold figure as (1) There creator,Lord,Father and judge as revealed in the old testament (2)as the lord who incarnated in figure of Jesus Christ who lived among human beings (3)As the holy spirit whom they experienced as the helper or intercessor in the power of new life.But neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.Did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew scriptures(Deutronomy 6:4).I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

1Corinthians 8:6 will enlight you.The Lord your God is one pers

johnw47:


know nothing big mouth, fraud jw Janosky/OneJ

oh duh duh duh, truly God won't become a crown, He will be like a crown of glory, and a diadem of beauty, to the residue of His people
just like Father God won't become a throne for Jesus to sit on Him, [/b]the Lord Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of Father God on the throne of God

and why wouldn't God - Father and the Word, sit on the throne of God:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and [b]the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

WAYO johnw FRAUD Man...
You are indeed very very DULL , over DULL ...

Your folks always say "God is your Strength", meaning ' Your strength comes from God'.
In other words, God gives you strength.

"God is your throne" meaning "your throne is from God'. Psalms 45:6. Hebrews 1:8 (NWT).
In other words, God OWNS the throne HE gives His Son, Jesus to rule. 2 Chro 9:8. 1 Chro29:23. Rev3:21.

Your so called "God" OBEYS his Father, Yahweh's Command to sit on Yahweh's throne.

WAYO johnw DULLARD

johnw47:

pharisee false jw max

the blinded leadind the blinded:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

EMPTY NOISE of a DULLARD

This is the history of God's Organization, if the enemies of truth want to criticize this the only thing they'll keep saying is "there is no Organization belonging to God, God can be worshipped in any group, just have good manners" but this same people will claim they believe in Jesus who said every human on planet earth must subscribe to his teachings before they can win God's favour! John 3:16: 14:6

Please if it's good manners that will lead us to everlasting life, why must Nicodemus accept Jesus?
Was Nicodemus a bad person?

Maximus69:
In the beginning God blessed Adam and Eve {Genesis 1:27-28} we are supposed to be connected to God through our parents but Adam and Eve rebelled against our heavenly father {Genesis 3:6} and we can no more connect to our God directly for the same kind of blessings those Rebels received, rather we have been infected with sickness, suffering, oldage and death! Genesis 3:17-19 compare to Romans 5:12
Since then Satan (deceiver) began ruling amongst humans and with his crafty ways Satan always win the majority {Genesis 6:1-8} that was the birth of Organizations belonging to the true God!
Noah and his family served as the first organized people belonging to God out of all others who has been blinded by Satan's cobwebs. Later God called Abraham and everyone started claiming Abraham's offsprings, then God chose Isaac and out Isaac's two sons God chose Jacob, these made most people to start claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!
Later Satan polluted the worship of Jacob's children (Israelites) so the nation divided into two: Jews and Samaritans, Jesus made it clear that despite that God never accepted the worship of all but only that of the Jews! John 4:22
The Jews condemned Jesus so God abandoned them and started dealing with Jesus' followers (Christians)

Today there are over 41,000 religions claiming Christians on earth, so in the year 1931 Jehovah separated his own people and gave them a special name that can't be polluted like all the other names that Satan has been profaning all these while like
©Adam's descendants
©Noah's children
©Abraham's offsprings
©Israelites
©Jews
©Christians

All these group names has been tainted by lies and deceit, so all of them can't figure out what is right or wrong when it comes to pure worship, even if they argue amongst themselves they'll still do so many acts of worship and festivities together in the name of their disguised God SATAN! 2Corinthians 4:4

JEHOVAH is using his mighty spirit son (Jesus) to gather all peace loving worshipers into one group and gave them a new name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Isaiah 65:15

So were we Adam's descendants, Noah's children, Abraham's offsprings, Israelites, Jews and Christians?

YES of course, but all those group names Satan has profaned with his deception!

@Rozz, if you feel your question hasn't been answered, you could follow these links to some articles published by Jehovah's Witnesses and see for yourself if the trinity doctrine is found in the Bible

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/is-jesus-almighty/

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/father-son-holy-spirit-trinity/

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1993766

The whole trinity doctrine stems from a mistranslation of John 1:1 in several Bibles today, just read up the articles one by one and as you do that you'll come to see that Jehovah God is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) and Jesus is his Son(John 11:27). And that it is vital you know the distinction between God and Jesus (John 17:3)

DappaD:
@Rozz, if you feel your question hasn't been answered, you could follow these links to some articles published by Jehovah's Witnesses and see for yourself if the trinity doctrine is found in the Bible

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/is-jesus-almighty/

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/father-son-holy-spirit-trinity/

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1993766

The whole trinity doctrine stems from a mistranslation of John 1:1 in several Bibles today, just read up the articles one by one and as you do that you'll come to see that Jehovah God is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) and Jesus is his Son(John 11:27). And that it is vital you know the distinction between God and Jesus (John 17:3)

No be small issue my Brother Dappa.
It took Reno Omokri many years of extensive research and travels to several places before he found out the DECEPTION embedded in the Trinity GIBBERISH.

JWs have Exposed the Trinity SCAM for many centuries and have been showing it to honest hearted individuals seeking the truth from the Bible.

DappaD:

Don't make it look like that subject matter hasn't been thoroughly explained before with the scriptures! Please if you're just joining this thread, this topic has already been explained with scriptural references to it. Check pages 27/28 and read through. The explanations there are all drawn from the Bible.
After you do that, please don't come back here and tell me “explain where Jesus is Angel” I'd be mad with you.

Are you sure those explanations were drawn from the Bible? I am just wondering. Thoroughly explain?

I am still searching for it o

DappaD:
@Rozz, if you feel your question hasn't been answered, you could follow these links to some articles published by Jehovah's Witnesses and see for yourself if the trinity doctrine is found in the Bible

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/is-jesus-almighty/

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/father-son-holy-spirit-trinity/

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1993766

The whole trinity doctrine stems from a mistranslation of John 1:1 in several Bibles today, just read up the articles one by one and as you do that you'll come to see that Jehovah God is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) and Jesus is his Son(John 11:27). And that it is vital you know the distinction between God and Jesus (John 17:3)

Thanks alot sir

DappaD:
@Rozz, if you feel your question hasn't been answered, you could follow these links to some articles published by Jehovah's Witnesses and see for yourself if the trinity doctrine is found in the Bible

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/is-jesus-almighty/

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/father-son-holy-spirit-trinity/

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1993766

The whole trinity doctrine stems from a mistranslation of John 1:1 in several Bibles today, just read up the articles one by one and as you do that you'll come to see that Jehovah God is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) and Jesus is his Son(John 11:27). And that it is vital you know the distinction between God and Jesus (John 17:3)

Your call for Jesus as Angel is a greater misinterpretation from no where in the scriptures. I only decided you face other pressing work over the weekend the essence of my slow response and proper scriptural engagement.

I likewise dont even see any reason to do scriptural explanation in debunking your error and misinterpretation as all you gave as scriptural backing are just funny interpretation. I havent seen any serious explanation and i am sure i cant see as there exist none in the Bible.

Until you folks start putting your head down and start examining the foundation of your doctrine, you will only be finding yourself in such tight corner as this.

I will surely present to you my position on this issue and clear all those roll on scriptures you robbed together. But before then, I still await a scriptures that points you to Jesus as Angel.

hoopernikao:


Your call for Jesus as Angel is a greater misinterpretation from no where in the scriptures. I only decided you face other pressing work over the weekend the essence of my slow response and proper scriptural engagement.

I likewise dont even see any reason to do scriptural explanation in debunking your error and misinterpretation as all you gave as scriptural backing are just funny interpretation. I havent seen any serious explanation and i am sure i cant see as there exist none in the Bible.

Until you folks start putting your head down and start examining the foundation of your doctrine, you will only be finding yourself in such tight corner as this.

I will surely present to you my position on this issue and clear all those roll on scriptures you robbed together. But before then, I still await a scriptures that points you to Jesus as Angel.

Okay, so I'm going to have to ignore you at this point. Don't quote me again.

@Janosky, Maximus69, DappaD, Acehart

I have asked you two cogent and important questions and prove of your theology. It is sad that till now, you cant present any and yet you held to a doctrine that has no foundation in the scriptures. Is this right? You dont make a claim you cant show with the Bible.

1. I asked you to present a scriptures that specifically said JESUS IS ANGEL MICHEAL. You have roamed around the bible without presenting any. Not even directly or indirectly, all you presented is like a child doing 1+1 = 2 with bible. Is this how bible interpretation is to be handled?


2. Who in the history of the early church (1st and 2nd Century) preached this message of yours (JESUS IS ANGEL MICHAEL).

I have asked you over and over again to present here, i known text that originated from those century supporting your claim? Is it a new revelation that doesnt have history. Who preached it, when was it originated. Dont you think it is an accidental misinterpretation of the bible? A doctrine without history will be false. All doctrine must be seen in teaching and practices of the early churches. You cant present any. Sadly, you cant because it doesnt exist.


Let me help you now.

The very first mention of such doctrine ( i mean close to it) originated in the 3rd century (i wont give you the name of your church father who originated such error, go and read yourself). It was a heresy preached to reduced the work of Christ by the proponent. The reason for Nicea council is to check mate such error. This is contrary to your false stand that Nicea council was instituted to preach Trinity for the first time.

The doctrine of Trinity was in existence before and there are prove that the 1st and 2nd centuries writer wrote about it, even those who met Jesus Apostles directly. Nicea council was to affirm that doctrine and curb the lies newly originated at that period.


Back to the issue.

Get this on record, that you have no scriptures for such bad doctrine. You will only be twisting your way, sadly, there is even little on nothing to use to twist and the scripture is clear on this issue.

@Rozz that you are trying to convince confuse has already receive that which is true and important, and no one will be able to take that from her. And she will continue to be established in the truth.

DappaD:

Okay, so I'm going to have to ignore you at this point. Don't quote me again.

Bros FAITH is the assured expectation of things hoped for the evident demonstration of realities even though not beheld! Hebrew 11:1

So let him continue waiting for the Bible quotation that will tell him "Jesus is an angel and Michael was his angelic name"
Meanwhile true followers of Michael (the Prince of Peace) are busy gathering Peace lovers globally.

Paul told us not to bother ourselves over faithless ones like him, because FAITH is NOT a possession of all people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

hoopernikao:
@Janosky, Maximus69, DappaD, Acehart

I have asked you two cogent and important questions and prove of your theology. It is sad that till now, you cant present any and yet you held to a doctrine that has no foundation in the scriptures. Is this right? You dont make a claim you cant show with the Bible.

1. I asked you to present a scriptures that specifically said JESUS IS ANGEL MICHEAL. You have roamed around the bible without presenting any. Not even directly or indirectly, all you presented is like a child doing 1+1 = 2 with bible. Is this how bible interpretation is to be handled?


2. Who in the history of the early church (1st and 2nd Century) preached this message of yours (JESUS IS ANGEL MICHAEL).

I have asked you over and over again to present here, i known text that originated from those century supporting your claim? Is it a new revelation that doesnt have history. Who preached it, when was it originated. Dont you think it is an accidental misinterpretation of the bible? A doctrine without history will be false. All doctrine must be seen in teaching and practices of the early churches. You cant present any. Sadly, you cant because it doesnt exist.


Let me help you now.

The very first mention of such doctrine ( i mean close to it) originated in the 3rd century (i wont give you the name of your church father who originated such error, go and read yourself). It was a heresy preached to reduced the work of Christ by the proponent. The reason for Nicea council is to check mate such error. This is contrary to your false stand that Nicea council was instituted to preach Trinity for the first time.

The doctrine of Trinity was in existence before and there are prove that the 1st and 2nd centuries writer wrote about it, even those who met Jesus Apostles directly. Nicea council was to affirm that doctrine and curb the lies newly originated at that period.


Back to the issue.

Get this on record, that you have no scriptures for such bad doctrine. You will only be twisting your way, sadly, there is even little on nothing to use to twist and the scripture is clear on this issue.

@Rozz that you are trying to convince confuse has already receive that which is true and important, and no one will be able to take that from her. And she will continue to be established in the truth.

There are millions of faithful brothers and sisters out there zealously preaching and teaching to help interested ones become followers of Michael (Jesus) who is our commander in chief, so Rozz may choose whatever she likes but i've made it clear to her that "though it's not all those associating with us that will enter God's Kingdom because majority are not living up to the standard, but NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON OUTSIDE Jehovah's Witnesses Organization can be saved when our Master Lord and King comes with his heavenly armies"

So she already know our stand, if she feels like worshiping your TRINITY it's none of our business and if she chose to worship our ONE JEHOVAH she has to live up to her dedication, NO SITTING ON THE FENCE!

Maximus69:


Bros FAITH is the assured expectation of things hoped for the evident demonstration of realities even though not beheld! Hebrew 11:1

So let him continue waiting for the Bible quotation that will tell him "Jesus is an angel and Michael was his angelic name"
Meanwhile true followers of Michael (the Prince of Peace) are busy gathering Peace lovers globally.

Paul told us not to bother ourselves over faithless ones like him, because FAITH is NOT a possession of all people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

Abi oo it's better to direct our efforts to honest hearted and deserving persons(Matthew 10:11). Not people who just want to argue! Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy that he should “...reject foolish and ignorant debates, knowing that they produce fights” (2Timothy 2:23)

Even in that same letter , he said that people would not be “open to any agreement” 2Timothy 3:3

So we need not worry ourselves

Titus 3:9

The definition Paul gave FAITH is enough to send across the message! Hebrew 11:1

It is the ASSURED EXPECTATIONS~ JWs are expecting a Paradise earth

EVIDENT DEMONSTRATION~ JWs are working tirelessly to gather faithful, obedient and peace loving worshipers globally.

REALITIES THOUGH NOT YET SEEN~ now someone wants to keep arguing based on what he can't see, whereas he is seeing the EVIDENT DEMONSTRATION of the believers in their WORKS! James 2:18-26

Walahi Talahi he's just a clown!

DappaD:

Abi oo it's better to direct our efforts to honest hearted and deserving persons(Matthew 10:11). Not people who just want to argue! Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy that he should “...reject foolish and ignorant debates, knowing that they produce fights” (2Timothy 2:23)

Even in that same letter , he said that people would not be “open to any agreement” 2Timothy 3:3

So we need not worry ourselves