Maximus69:


I'm only impressing the JW language in the heart of my friend who wants to know the difference between JWs and all other religionists!

But as for the bolded, those who are truly for us will join us! Luke 18:18-23

We really appreciate your kind speech Sir!

Rozz:
lets know your church first,i asked earlier

Rozz:
lets know your church first,i asked earlier

fairheart:
Na! Don't make that mistake, you cannot impress anything in my heart, and I am not trying to know the difference between JWs and other Church members. I have a scholarly life, and I have a research-leaning career. I have grown past the level of trying to know the difference. I can tell you that i have read far too many of JW books than you have ever touched.
The conclusion of this matter and my point is: Being a JW member is not a criteria to worshiping God and living a life that pleases Him. I know you want to say otherwise, and I know you'd say otherwise to someone who isn't knowledgeable, but you cannot do that with me.

JW membership is not a criteria to entering the Kingdom of God. I know you don't like this truth, but it is what it is. I will not use more words to explain that to you.

fairheart:
As long as a person's church denomination is the yardstick you are willing to use to assess who they are, overlooking what they belief and their way of life, there is no point telling you the Church I go. I don't belong to ANY church; I am a Christian and that is all anyone ever needs in their walk of faith! If you don't assume that those who are not JWs are not Christian, I'll like to keep this discussion going, and I will gladly tell you whatever you want to know. But na! You have made your conclusion, so it won't matter which Church I go.

For the record, I tell my JWs friends that JWs are not the only worshiper of God, and with all facts, they agree. It is what you belief, and the way you live with what you belief that determines who you are, not the sect you belong. If you like, force all the people in this world to come to the Kingdom Hall, if they fail to do the Will of God, it is useless. You and I know this is the truth, and we must accept it as such.

Maximus69:


We really appreciate your supporting speech for JWs Sir, but the fact remains that if you're not one of JWs you can't be a worshiper of our own God.
There are many factors to consider but that is the number 1 criteria to enter the kingdom of our God Sir!
What you're saying is exactly what all other religions claiming Christians do teach, but for our own God, if you're not one of JWs you can't possibly be a worshiper of our own God!

fairheart:


Well, I will tell you what you don't know about human psychological development. There's a stage to every belief we hold. There's a stage that once we reached, NOTHING can take that belief from us, not even sickness or death. All the disciples of Christ reached this stage. Likewise, I have reached a stage where I cannot be told how to have my belief, or who to worship with, or who to excommunicate or hate, or who to validate. I am not an amateur Christian; I am a teacher of truth and admonish-er of God's Will, anywhere and any day. If you know the person behind this keyboard, you'd understand.

Also, I am not praising you, for I don't need your validation or seek to please you. Na! Did you read that I said my Grandmother was a JW? We are happy together despite our different approach of service to God. Some disciples of Christ held different views, and if you are truly a Bible student, you'd have known.

I have evolved beyond hating a fellow human being because of belief, no matter what they belief. God is the ultimate Judge, who knows our heart and its intent. Likewise, JW members are not the only worshiper of Jehovah God. DON"T EVER ASSUME JW MEMBERS ARE THE ONLY TRUE CHRISTIAN. Such view makes you heretic, and judgemental! When you think JW members are the only worshipers of God, you put yourself in the same position with Elijah, who thought he was the only one still serving God. God proved him wrong, because there are several other people who love God and are living to please Him.

I don't need to be a JW member to partake in the Plans of God for humanity. The criteria is laid out in the Bible, not in membership with JW, and that is enough!

I am not any sect's enemy, and LEST you become holier than thou kind of Christian, do not see anyone as unworthy or against you. ONLY GOD KNOWS HIS OWN!

Maximus69:


I've told Rozz this same thing over and over and over Sir!
So she already know the stand of all JWs globally!

The question you need to ask in a humble way is WHY DO ALL JWs BELIEVE THIS?
Then listen to the reason and perhaps you can refute the point with the scriptures!

fairheart:



You must be amateur JW member. Your God, not my God? Is there another type of Jehovah? When did JW membership becomes a criteria to worshiping God?
I expect you to know better if you're truly a Bible student of JW.
I think I have spent enough time discussing this with you guys.
You all have a great day.

fairheart:

You have managed to turn around an evident Bible passage. You have concluded already that except a person is a JW member, they will not enter the Kingdom of God. This is contrary to what is written in the Bible, so why should I even spend more time asking you a question you cannot answer due to your heretical belief and limited knowledge of the truth?
No! I am done. Do better by reading more Bible, but think about the things you read, and ask questions. Except you question everything you are taught, your knowledge is not really your own but of the person who taught you. And what if the person who taught you is erroneous? You have heretical belief. That is how gaining deep knowledge in any circle, religion, profession, etc, works.
Thank you for your time.

fairheart:
Thank you guys, it's nice spending time on your thread!
But don't forget:
THERE ARE OTHER CHRISTIANS WHO ARE NOT JWs THAT WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
WE ARE NOT THE ONE THAT WILL CHOOSE WHO WILL ENTER OR NOT, GOD WILL!

God bless you all.

Maximus69:


If it's our own God JEHOVAH o!

None of those outside our group can enter into the kingdom of our God!

TATIME:


You've been praising JWs all these while so when you now hear something that doesn't sound palatable all you need to ask is "WHY?"

Govo4me2u:
Ross you may also consider the book of Mathew 24:36.using different translations.

Matt 24:36
Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. NWT Bible.

fairheart:
If you don't understand it, then you have a problem with comprehension! Your faith--the belief in God's words--did not come from outside the Scripture; it comes from the scripture--the Bible! Your Bible is your defense against any heretical doctrine, and that is why we have chapters and verses to quote to defend what we believe. Heretic Christians, like you, who cling to the doctrine of trinity, cannot defend it with their Bible; they always quote outside source. Isn't the bible the Perfect word of God anymore? Is it no longer adequate to explain the truth? The reason Jehovah Witness teaches the Bible better is that, they quote the Bible, and you are able to read it yourself and see for yourself, especially on the matter of trinity. I doubt you have read an entire Chapter in the Bible let alone the whole New Testament or Old Tastement--which would have exposed you and refine your knowledge.

I know who you're by your comment, and so we are not on the same plane of knowledge of God. Do not attempt to mention me again. I will not reply you! Happy Sunday!

fairheart:

Rozz, Janosky
You're right, I am not a JW. My grandmother was before she died, and I read a lot of Awake and Watch Tower growing up in my 20s; in fact, I have Witnesses who "like" to come to my place to discuss, I have JW friends as well. I love to use Jehovah in my prayers and pray to Him in the name of Jesus. I don't do this because JW taught me; I do it because Jehovah is God's personal name (as written in the Bible), and it appeals to me that JW emphasis on it in all their teachings. Jesus Himself NEVER told his disciples to pray to him, but to the Father, in his name. I considered and hold unto these as TRUTH!
I like to say I do not believe in denomination and separation of body of Christ, it makes Christianity looks weak in the eyes of people we are to convert and bring into Light. I have been to your Kingdom Hall, and it gave me so much peace especially because of orderliness of program; no noise and disruption, unlike mainstream churches like Pentecostals. I am not a JW, but I witness there is God and His name is Jehovah! In the book of Isaiah, God called us "Ye are my Witness" that I exist. I love this. I have been to several churches for worship and for research purposes. I will not tell you what I find. There is so much misconceptions and lies, and it is painful so many Nigerians take them as truth.

As for the guy I replied to, he put up an "attack question", asking if I actually understand what I wrote. I do understand what I wrote, and it is truth. Jesus never said he is equal in power, authority and position with his Father; he said he's one with Him because he abide in His Words, and did His Will. Sadly, the ignorant Christians twist it as saying, He is equal with God. I once read a theologian in the US who said it was Jehovah Himself who came from Heaven and that men crucified. I wept. The bad news? His book was voted the best book of the year.

Let me apologize for the misunderstanding. And what is the language JW members use that I don't understand? Although no denomination is perfect, I do not believe your denomination is a cult. But I don't belong to any Church; I belong to God! I am your brother in Christ! Peace

Janosky:

This your post up there have laid to rest any misconceptions in your points of view in previous post.
Gracias.
Nobody will force you to become a JW , you are matured enough to decide what you want.
Bros, have a lovely week ahead.
Shalom

fairheart:
As long as a person's church denomination is the yardstick you are willing to use to assess who they are, overlooking what they belief and their way of life, there is no point telling you the Church I go. I don't belong to ANY church; I am a Christian and that is all anyone ever needs in their walk of faith! If you don't assume that those who are not JWs are not Christian, I'll like to keep this discussion going, and I will gladly tell you whatever you want to know. But na! You have made your conclusion, so it won't matter which Church I go.

For the record, I tell my JWs friends that JWs are not the only worshiper of God, and with all facts, they agree. It is what you belief, and the way you live with what you belief that determines who you are, not the sect you belong. If you like, force all the people in this world to come to the Kingdom Hall, if they fail to do the Will of God, it is useless. You and I know this is the truth, and we must accept it as such.

Rozz:
So far so good I will agree to what someone said earlier concerning muslims been more united than christians,comments here so far has proven that.May God guide us

fairheart:
Thank you guys, it's nice spending time on your thread!
But don't forget:
THERE ARE OTHER CHRISTIANS WHO ARE NOT JWs THAT WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
WE ARE NOT THE ONE THAT WILL CHOOSE WHO WILL ENTER OR NOT, GOD WILL!

God bless you all.

Maximus69:


Thanks for your time and mind you, we really appreciate your kindness Sir.

But you can ask any JW, please beg him/her to tell you the TRUTH not just making you feel good by dismissing you to please you.
No JW will tell you that you're safe if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

fairheart:
Na! Don't make that mistake, you cannot impress anything in my heart, and I am not trying to know the difference between JWs and other Church members. I have a scholarly life, and I have a research-leaning career. I have grown past the level of trying to know the difference. I can tell you that i have read far too many of JW books than you have ever touched.
The conclusion of this matter and my point is: Being a JW member is not a criteria to worshiping God and living a life that pleases Him. I know you want to say otherwise, and I know you'd say otherwise to someone who isn't knowledgeable, but you cannot do that with me.

JW membership is not a criteria to entering the Kingdom of God. I know you don't like this truth, but it is what it is. I will not use more words to explain that to you.

fairheart:



Don't get it twisted. Your neighbour is equally your brother/sister. Why? We all came from the same tree--Adam and Eve. We believe in the same Father, and in the same Son, albeit we see some things differently.
Don't let me teach you your own teachings and beliefs o .

achorladey:


The interesting thing about all this the ORGANIZATION itself stated this in their FREQUENTLY asked questions.... then you see ADHERENT still finding it difficult to process it because what is PUT OUT is different from what is TAUGHT within. All from the same SOURCE.

From the material below the ORGANIZATION states SALVATION and JUDGEMENT rest SQUARELY in the hands of JESUS. Yet the same ORGANIZATION still tell you all other RELIGIONS are FALSE WORSHIPPERS.

achorladey:


Maximus69: No JW will tell you that you're safe if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses

Achorladey: I am wondering who are the MANY who WEREN'T JWs in the picture below that will have the opportunity to be saved.

And since many in times past that are NOT JWs will be saved and considering the KIND of God you serve, Will God change this standard this time and SAVE Jehovah's witnesses ONLY?

Rozz:
So far so good I will agree to what someone said earlier concerning muslims been more united than christians,comments here so far has proven that.May God guide us

Maximus69:


Unity shouldn't be evaluated based on talks my dear, it goes far beyond mere talks!
Unity is when two or three work together to ensure that LOVE, JOY and PEACE works in their midst!
As long as there is disputes leading to fights and killings, then there is no UNITY!
I've been in Islam from childhood and i can tell you that there is nothing like unity in Islam, after the death of Muhammad war broke out amongst his disciples over who will succeed Muhammad, this led to a great genocide as the clans of each of his generals fight dirty in support their own sheikh.
After so much killings the generals agreed on a treaty which is what is known till today as the five pillars of Islam, yet each general still maintained their conflicting ideologies. So it's the five pillars that may confuse an outsider but to insiders in Islam we know there is nothing like UNITY!

Satan surely succeeded in establishing so many religions claiming Christians but the TRUTH remains that Jesus' group is just one and in their midst LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns! John 17:21-23

fairheart:


©How do you determine those who are Jesus group?
©Which yardstick do you use to determine it? the sect?
©their way of life?
©evangelism?
©ideologies?
©What did you use to determine Jesus group?
©Do you know that there are Church that have joy, unity and love amidst them too?

I don't even want to start engaging you on this.

©How did you reach conclusion that God has a preferred group?
Overlooking what individual do, whether or not the honour God. Please think better.