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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by fairheart(m): 8:27pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
Na! Don't make that mistake, you cannot impress anything in my heart, and I am not trying to know the difference between JWs and other Church members. I have a scholarly life, and I have a research-leaning career. I have grown past the level of trying to know the difference. I can tell you that i have read far too many of JW books than you have ever touched. The conclusion of this matter and my point is: Being a JW member is not a criteria to worshiping God and living a life that pleases Him. I know you want to say otherwise, and I know you'd say otherwise to someone who isn't knowledgeable, but you cannot do that with me. JW membership is not a criteria to entering the Kingdom of God. I know you don't like this truth, but it is what it is. I will not use more words to explain that to you. Maximus69: 4 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:30pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by fairheart(m): 8:34pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
As long as a person's church denomination is the yardstick you are willing to use to assess who they are, overlooking what they belief and their way of life, there is no point telling you the Church I go. I don't belong to ANY church; I am a Christian and that is all anyone ever needs in their walk of faith! If you don't assume that those who are not JWs are not Christian, I'll like to keep this discussion going, and I will gladly tell you whatever you want to know. But na! You have made your conclusion, so it won't matter which Church I go. For the record, I tell my JWs friends that JWs are not the only worshiper of God, and with all facts, they agree. It is what you belief, and the way you live with what you belief that determines who you are, not the sect you belong. If you like, force all the people in this world to come to the Kingdom Hall, if they fail to do the Will of God, it is useless. You and I know this is the truth, and we must accept it as such. Rozz: 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:39pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
fairheart: We really appreciate your supporting speech for JWs Sir, but the fact remains that if you're not one of JWs you can't be a worshiper of our own God. There are many factors to consider but that is the number 1 criteria to enter the kingdom of our God Sir! What you're saying is exactly what all other religions claiming Christians do teach, but for our own God, if you're not one of JWs you can't possibly be a worshiper of our own God! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:44pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
fairheart: I've told Rozz this same thing over and over and over Sir! So she already know the stand of all JWs globally! The question you need to ask in a humble way is WHY DO ALL JWs BELIEVE THIS? Then listen to the reason and perhaps you can refute the point with the scriptures! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by fairheart(m): 8:49pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
Maximus69: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() You must be amateur JW member. Your God, not my God? Is there another type of Jehovah? ![]() I expect you to know better if you're truly a Bible student of JW. I think I have spent enough time discussing this with you guys. You all have a great day. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:51pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
fairheart: You've been praising JWs all these while so when you now hear something that doesn't sound palatable all you need to ask is "WHY?" ![]() ![]() ![]() First be rest assured that it's not all professed JWs that will enter God's Kingdom, but none of those outside the organization can enter the kingdom of our God, because the first criteria is being one of JWs |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by fairheart(m): 8:54pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
Maximus69:You have managed to turn around an evident Bible passage. You have concluded already that except a person is a JW member, they will not enter the Kingdom of God. This is contrary to what is written in the Bible, so why should I even spend more time asking you a question you cannot answer due to your heretical belief and limited knowledge of the truth? No! I am done. Do better by reading more Bible, but think about the things you read, and ask questions. Except you question everything you are taught, your knowledge is not really your own but of the person who taught you. And what if the person who taught you is erroneous? You have heretical belief. That is how gaining deep knowledge in any circle, religion, profession, etc, works. Thank you for your time. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:56pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
fairheart: Thanks for your time and mind you, we really appreciate your kindness Sir. But you can ask any JW, please beg him/her to tell you the TRUTH not just making you feel good by dismissing you to please you. No JW will tell you that you're safe if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses! ![]() 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by fairheart(m): 8:58pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
Thank you guys, it's nice spending time on your thread! But don't forget: THERE ARE OTHER CHRISTIANS WHO ARE NOT JWs THAT WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD. WE ARE NOT THE ONE THAT WILL CHOOSE WHO WILL ENTER OR NOT, GOD WILL! God bless you all. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:58pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
fairheart: It's OK Sir, if you're not ready to know the reason. Thanks for your observation and remarks! 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:00pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
fairheart: If it's our own God JEHOVAH o! None of those outside our group can enter into the kingdom of our God! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:06pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
Maximus69: Hmmmmmmmm, the young man just feel like praising JWs but not joining the group. Well he is not ready for the truth so there is no need telling him! Our Master said something similar, majority of those following him turned back and never came back. But what of those who are humble? They waited behind to ask him WHY? ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:14pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
TATIME: He already knows that JWs will prove whatever we say from the scriptures, so in order not to find himself in a tight corner the only way out is to take a bow and leave! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Govo4me2u(m): 11:09pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
Ross you may also consider the book of Mathew 24:36.using different translations. Matt 24:36 Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. NWT Bible. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 11:42pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
Govo4me2u:Gbagam. ![]() ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 11:44pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
fairheart: Bros, I have no beef with you for any reason. Shalom 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 11:52pm On Jun 21, 2020 |
fairheart: This your post up there have laid to rest any misconceptions in your points of view in previous post. Gracias. Nobody will force you to become a JW , you are matured enough to decide what you want. Bros, have a lovely week ahead. Shalom 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:10am On Jun 22, 2020 |
Janosky: He thought hiding behind a finger is enough to cover deceptive hearts, surely nobody forced us to become worshipers of Jehovah! We choose the God we will serve just as Rahab and Ruth, these women noticed the distinction between Jehovah and false Gods, how do they prove their loyalty to the true God? Well God's word answers the question. Rahab joined Jehovah's people and she was richly blessed {Joshua 2:9, 6:25; James 2:25; Hebrews 11:31} Jehovah even made sure that Rahab's name appears boldly in the lineage of the Christ! Matthew 1:5 Ruth joined Jehovah's Worshipers and vowed to be with us come what may! Ruth 1:16-17; Matthew 1:5 Our friend thought it's just enough to acknowledge God's people without being part of us or working with us! Luke 18:22-23 ![]() Well he didn't want to know why honest hearted people do take the initiative to join God's people! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:17am On Jun 22, 2020 |
fairheart:I am not a jw |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by omotogoodo(m): 9:22am On Jun 22, 2020 |
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:24am On Jun 22, 2020 |
So far so good I will agree to what someone said earlier concerning muslims been more united than christians,comments here so far has proven that.May God guide us 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 10:01am On Jun 22, 2020 |
Rozz: Unity shouldn't be evaluated based on talks my dear, it goes far beyond mere talks! Unity is when two or three work together to ensure that LOVE, JOY and PEACE works in their midst! As long as there is disputes leading to fights and killings, then there is no UNITY! I've been in Islam from childhood and i can tell you that there is nothing like unity in Islam, after the death of Muhammad war broke out amongst his disciples over who will succeed Muhammad, this led to a great genocide as the clans of each of his generals fight dirty in support their own sheikh. After so much killings the generals agreed on a treaty which is what is known till today as the five pillars of Islam, yet each general still maintained their conflicting ideologies. So it's the five pillars that may confuse an outsider but to insiders in Islam we know there is nothing like UNITY! ![]() Satan surely succeeded in establishing so many religions claiming Christians but the TRUTH remains that Jesus' group is just one and in their midst LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns! John 17:21-23 ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 12:47pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
fairheart: The interesting thing about all this the ORGANIZATION itself stated this in their FREQUENTLY asked questions.... then you see ADHERENT still finding it difficult to process it because what is PUT OUT is different from what is TAUGHT within. All from the same SOURCE. From the material below the ORGANIZATION states SALVATION and JUDGEMENT rest SQUARELY in the hands of JESUS. Yet the same ORGANIZATION still tell you all other RELIGIONS are FALSE WORSHIPPERS. 1 Like
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 1:04pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
Maximus69: Maximus69: No JW will tell you that you're safe if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses Achorladey: I am wondering who are the MANY who WEREN'T JWs in the picture below that will have the opportunity to be saved. And since many in times past that are NOT JWs will be saved and considering the KIND of God you serve, Will God change this standard this time and SAVE Jehovah's witnesses ONLY? ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 1:09pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
fairheart: JW membership is not a criteria to entering the Kingdom of God. I know you don't like this truth, but it is what it is. I will not use more words to explain that to you 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 1:22pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
fairheart: Perhaps teach them they are NOT BROTHERS to the GOVERNING BODY. They can only be FRIENDS of GB. Of what DIFFERENCE does it make even if the GB can't call those under them brothers and equally SEGREGATE within themselves. Ask them who Jesus call as contained in the SCRIPTURE HIS BROTHERS story will change. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by fairheart(m): 1:34pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
God bless you my brother. This is a powerful angle to defend the truth from. Didn't even reason from this angle. Learnt something from this. achorladey: |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by fairheart(m): 1:38pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
You are a strong thinker. I am impressed!!! ![]() The words below is irrefutable! Too powerful! ![]() achorladey: |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by fairheart(m): 1:41pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
Rozz: You shall know the truth and it will set you free. Don't ever let any sect or denomination make you see other worshipers of God as false worshiper or that they will not go to Heaven. God is the one who determines that. Our greatest mission is to live and abide in God and spread the truth of salvation. We are not HOLY, but this is our goal, and God will help us achieve it before we enter into our rest. Amen! 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by fairheart(m): 1:49pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
Maximus69: How do you determine those who are Jesus group? Which yardstick do you use to determine it? the sect? their way of life? evangelism? ideologies? What did you use to determine Jesus group? Do you know that there are Church that have joy, unity and love amidst them too? I don't even want to start engaging you on this. How did you reach conclusion that God has a preferred group? Overlooking what individual do, whether or not the honour God. Please think better. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 2:15pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
fairheart: Sorry i unfollowed the thread Sir! It's like you're asking so many questions yet the bolded seems making your post complicating. Are you still interested in the reason why you're not and will never be our brother or you're done with the discussion? ![]() Surely the guy with whom you're chatting now is your brother because you both share the same believe, but let me remind you again:- if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you can't enter the kingdom of our own God! ![]() So are you prepared to know the reason or not? ![]() |
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