Maximus69:


Sorry i unfollowed the thread Sir!

It's like you're asking so many questions yet the bolded seems making your post complicating.

Are you still interested in the reason why you're not and will never be our brother or you're done with the discussion?

Surely the guy with whom you're chatting now is your brother because you both share the same believe, but let me remind you again:- if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you can't enter the kingdom of our own God!

So are you prepared to know the reason or not?

TATIME:


His mind is disturbed over knowing his real stand before JWs!

He's been chatting and making merriment with his brother but he can't let go of JWs!

Even after finding his brother in FAITH he still wish JWs should accept him as one of our brothers.
Food for thought:-

What did JWs tell him regarding the matter?
Why is he not okay with JWs stand?
Why is he not worried about Deeperlife?
Why not just go and continue worshiping his so called God without whatever JWs believe?

Ó sì ñrìín ni kòìtíì jaje!

fairheart:


You shall know the truth and it will set you free.
Don't ever let any sect or denomination make you see other worshipers of God as false worshiper or that they will not go to Heaven. God is the one who determines that. Our greatest mission is to live and abide in God and spread the truth of salvation. We are not HOLY, but this is our goal, and God will help us achieve it before we enter into our rest. Amen!

Rozz:
amen,i wonder why you have refused to let us know your church. Enjoy the rest of the day

Maximus69:

The first language Worshipers of our God must learn to speak~
"WE ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"
Thanks for your time!

GRIMMJOE:
it seems you love blind argument, haven't you seen an old midnight newspaper before, every body will get old, should I prove this too.

GRIMMJOE:
Jesus Christ! bros why na?

I said free thinking exist, you said it doesn't.

OK I volunteers to be a test subject, create the scenario where I will be influenced into doing something, in return I'll use my free thinking to make my decision.

This is simply a test to check if free thinking exist, go for it.

hoopernikao:


Oh, not from free thinking this time? But from old newspaper.

Okay. Keep it up. I pray the eyes that saw old news paper will see the good newspaper.

hoopernikao:


This exercise you pose in itself already showed that you are more influenced than you think.

I have asked you why do you wear close, you said to cover your naked-ness. That response alone shows you are influenced by your surroundings.

If reason for clothes is to cover naked-ness, why do you prefer not wearing close in your closet, in your bedroom or when alone. Has the naked-ness disappeared in the room? So do you think the naked-ness is the issue?

I truly hope you understand this that something as simple as clothing is done because of people not because you want it everytime but because the society influenced us to do so.

Rozz:
amen,i wonder why you have refused to let us know your church.Enjoy the rest of the day

GRIMMJOE:
Stop taking panadol on another person, you weren't the one I was talking to, she has her mouth.

hoopernikao:


Maybe the headache you caused reached my side too.

GRIMMJOE:
Bros listen, please listen, just listen stop arguing first and listen.

The influence is not free thinking, but your decision based on critically analyzing the source of influence is what free thinking is.

If you understand what I just said I need you to tell me from your point of view what you understand.

GRIMMJOE:
@ hoopernikao

You saying there's no free thinking is like saying all my decision in life are already decided,

That's why I told you to give me a scenario where I have to decide, all my decision in life are based on free thinking, so create a scenario where I have to decide.

You understand.

hoopernikao:



So, the influence is not part of free thinking again abi? We are getting close.

So, firstly, you have agreed that influence comes to us all (even if you say, it's not same as free thinking).

Let me present what you said to you in steps.

1. We have influences coming to us
2. I must do free thinking on this as a free thinker so that I don't just accept things without thinking
3. I will make decisions based on the result of my freethinking but not based on the influence.

Read well the above, that is your thought. Can you see that 3 and 1 can't make sense in same situation?

Do you make independent decisions outside the sets of influence you are exposed to?.

Are decisions not subsets of influences available to you?

Is free thinking done outside the influences presented to you?

Let me put it in simple words for you.

Are there actions or things you know that weren't a product of your surroundings?

See clearly bro, influences are what naturally limit our choices and thought. You can't reason beyond what you are exposed to, hence your free thought are only free to the extent of your unfreed influence.

hoopernikao:


You are getting there.

No, all your decisions are not decided but your decisions have limits. In your choices, limits have being placed due to influence.

The reason every actions has its consequences. You determine your actions based on the limited influences available to you, sadly, you can't usually determine the consequences of the actions. Those are limits placed on man.

GRIMMJOE:
@ hoopernikao

You saying there's no free thinking is like saying all my decision in life are already decided,

That's why I told you to give me a scenario where I have to decide, all my decision in life are based on free thinking, so create a scenario where I have to decide.

You understand.

GRIMMJOE:
I'm disappointed the bolded is coming from you, I won't answer except you can't, I know you can.

What is the consequence for jumping from a skyscraper with out parachute.

What is the consequence for slapping a solider man.

What is the consequence for lying in a court.

hoopernikao:


For scenario to help you understand influence and limits of man.

What are the options available for man in terms having a human child

1. born through man/woman (natural or non natural)
2. Adopt
3. Avoid having

The above are influences and limitations placed on you by your environment. This is independent of your thinking.

Now, the choice of a free thinker is limited by these influences available to him.

His final decision also, is a subset of that influence.

This is how things are patterned in life. And until you know the limit of your thoughts and the influence on your mind, you won't embrace reality. Freethinking is just a word on paper, it doesn't exist in reality.

GRIMMJOE:
I've just address this, to be given birth (situation) a baby cannot decide to be given birth, to commit suicide (Scenario) suicide will not commit it self, you still have to push that knife inside your stomach.

GRIMMJOE:
This is why you read, make research, not just swallow anything hook, line and sinker, thank God you understand.

So tell me, or rather let me create a scenario for you.


Your neighbour tells you rain is going to fall, don't go to work because of a flood will happen, boom, what will your decision be,

will your neighbour be your influence for not going to work, or you have something else in mind, tell me your answer I will tell you mine.

hoopernikao:


You determined non of that Sir.

People have survived plane tickets crash at high-speed

People have harassed soldier and get pardon by situations around it. Something as simple as the superior finding out you are from his village has delivered many, while others have not only been beaten but killed just for slapping.

People have lied in court and had 3 weeks of community service, while some have had 3 years jail, likewise others lifetime.

You don't determine consequences my friend. The limitations of your mind let you feel you can determine or know consequences, but sadly, the way the affairs of mankind is run, you have no input in determining your consequences.

I hope this is clear.

hoopernikao:

GRIMMJOE:
So what you're trying to say is we humans don't know the consequence of our actions, even though you literally just gave me the consequence of lying in a court.

GRIMMJOE:
Let's talk na, Your neighbour tells you rain is going to fall, don't go to
work because of a flood will happen, what will your
decision be.

hoopernikao:


I already answered you. See below.

Do you have choice more than (GO and DONT GO?) in your scenario?

Whatever your thoughts and decision, the outcome is already decided as choices for you. Do you get. That will limit your research, study and thinking. You won't think beyond making decisions between going and not going. Why? Those are the ONLY options available to you

Of the thinking is truly free, it will not be subjected to choices.

I belief in critical thinking, if that is what you want to say. But calling yourself a freethinker is an illusion at best. Let such word stay with the dictionary not in reality.

hoopernikao:


No man can determine the consequences of his actions. You only presume the consequences based on legality and rules and studies.

But life has shown us that people receive consequences absolutely independent of their expectations.

You can determine your actions subject to the limit given you but you can't determine its consequences. Never.

The consequences I gave you wasn't determined by the accuser (the man in issue) but by the judges and circumstances. Don't let me starting giving you life scenario. You will fully understand that man truly is not in control of anything. I mean anything. It's just a deception to say you are in control. We are in a world of influence. What influences you determines how you see life.

GRIMMJOE:
By determine you meant know, that quote isn't far away I even bolded it.