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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 2:26pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
Maximus69: His mind is disturbed over knowing his real stand before JWs! ![]() ![]() ![]() He's been chatting and making merriment with his brother but he can't let go of JWs! Even after finding his brother in FAITH he still wish JWs should accept him as one of our brothers. Food for thought:- What did JWs tell him regarding the matter? Why is he not okay with JWs stand? Why is he not worried about Deeperlife? Why not just go and continue worshiping his so called God without whatever JWs believe? Ó sì ñrìín ni kòìtíì jaje! ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 2:33pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
TATIME: I really pity the young man, he thought just being fair to JWs is enough to become a worshiper of Jehovah! No wonder he named himself "fairheart"! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 3:32pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
Most people thought once they're fair, well behaved and calling Jesus "Lord". This was the idea shared by most Bible students in the 19th century. But later the light became brighter that Satan has blurred the vision of many to see what Christianity means, so the Bible students began visiting Churches of Christendom to enlighten them about their discoveries after making thorough research on the scriptures. Most religions back then drove them away from their Churches even though they're seeing that the Bible students were doing well in their research. This led the Bible students to the streets sharing tracts and flyers to alert interested ones on their meetings and study sections. Charles Taze Russell the then President of the Watchtower known back then as Pastor Russell never knew that the work his group began will become so distinct from other religions claiming Christians as it happens today. Even till his death in 1916 the Bible students still celebrates Christmas, it was 10 years later that the light came to alert the Bible students that they must forgo all pagan festivals! Even decades later the Bible students still don't get it that a mighty spirit is using them to separate people for salvation, they still hold the idea that Jesus' true followers can be found in any religious group claiming Christians. But today we know better, Jesus has been calling his own followers out of all Satan's cobwebs claiming Christians, for his own to be recognized throughout the whole earth as the one and only Peaceful group belonging to the Prince of Peace. So whoever wants to know how the Bible explains this should try to approach the JWs for clearer understanding of this, the latest discovery revealed by our Master, Lord and King is out now. Pure Worship of Jehovah ~ Restored At Last! Through this new discovery JWs globally now realize why there has been so great chasm between JWs and all other groups! So if anyone still bank on what the group taught years ago before this new discovery i'm sorry for you! ![]()
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 3:35pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
fairheart:amen,i wonder why you have refused to let us know your church.Enjoy the rest of the day 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 3:45pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
Rozz: The first language Worshipers of our God must learn to speak~ "WE ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" ![]() Thanks for your time! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 3:47pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
Maximus69:i wonder why it's such a big deal to him 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 5:40pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
Keynotes captured in picture below as stated in by the Mr I AM THROUGH WITH YOU
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 5:41pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: Oh, not from free thinking this time? But from old newspaper. Okay. Keep it up. I pray the eyes that saw old news paper will see the good newspaper. ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 5:53pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: This exercise you pose in itself already showed that you are more influenced than you think. I have asked you why do you wear close, you said to cover your naked-ness. That response alone shows you are influenced by your surroundings. If reason for clothes is to cover naked-ness, why do you prefer not wearing close in your closet, in your bedroom or when alone. Has the naked-ness disappeared in the room? So do you think the naked-ness is the issue? I truly hope you understand this that something as simple as clothing is done because of people not because you want it everytime but because the society influenced us to do so. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:11pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
hoopernikao:Stop taking panadol on another person, you weren't the one I was talking to, she has her mouth. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:18pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
hoopernikao:Bros listen, please listen, just listen stop arguing first and listen. The influence is not free thinking, but your decision based on critically analyzing the source of influence is what free thinking is. If you understand what I just said I need you to tell me from your point of view what you understand. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 6:23pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
Rozz: Rozz, the basis of argument of fairheart is not about denomination but Christ and what the scriptures teachings. It is an old pattern to distract the true discussion when someone start seeking to know what does not address the discussion, same as a man who starts bragging about where he comes from but neglected the true discussion at hand. I have been called several names on this OP all along because I raised questions that require critical thinking and proper look at the scriptures. The same people that said they will not respond or argue with me that I am looking for arguments and that I am not open etc as at page ~36 of this OP, are the same arguing here till page 73 of same OP. Giving respond and contending with others. Why? The issue is, when you start selecting what questions you can be asked to defend in the scriptures, it's either you don't know what you are saying or you are lying with what you are saying. The simple principle of argument and discussion is that the moment you contribute to an argument, you have already on a side and must be ready to defend your words. So, trying to select the opponents you want is just a game played by children. Like I have told you earlier. Stick to what you know, I don't know your church and I don't need to know, your doctrine is enough for me to know what your church likely stands for, that is what I can judge not your church. Hence don't take eloquency braggado, or cunningness to be same as truth and sincerity especially online. Along this OP, I know you are trying to find the truth inbetween the two lines of Tri God and Uni God preachers, but sometimes and most times, truth aren't inbetween, truth are revealed at the end of the line that is true. But such end are only attained through unwavering conviction. 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 6:24pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: ![]() ![]() Maybe the headache you caused reached my side too. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:29pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
@ hoopernikao You saying there's no free thinking is like saying all my decision in life are already decided, That's why I told you to give me a scenario where I have to decide, all my decision in life are based on free thinking, so create a scenario where I have to decide. You understand. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:31pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
hoopernikao:
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 6:36pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: ![]() So, the influence is not part of free thinking again abi? We are getting close. So, firstly, you have agreed that influence comes to us all (even if you say, it's not same as free thinking). Let me present what you said to you in steps. 1. We have influences coming to us 2. I must do free thinking on this as a free thinker so that I don't just accept things without thinking ![]() 3. I will make decisions based on the result of my freethinking but not based on the influence. Read well the above, that is your thought. Can you see that 3 and 1 can't make sense in same situation? Do you make independent decisions outside the sets of influence you are exposed to?. Are decisions not subsets of influences available to you? Is free thinking done outside the influences presented to you? Let me put it in simple words for you. Are there actions or things you know that weren't a product of your surroundings? See clearly bro, influences are what naturally limit our choices and thought. You can't reason beyond what you are exposed to, hence your free thought are only free to the extent of your unfreed influence. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 6:41pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: You are getting there. No, all your decisions are not decided but your decisions have limits. In your choices, limits have being placed due to influence. The reason every actions has its consequences. You determine your actions based on the limited influences available to you, sadly, you can't usually determine the consequences of the actions. Those are limits placed on man. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:44pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
hoopernikao:This is why you read, make research, not just swallow anything hook, line and sinker, thank God you understand. So tell me, or rather let me create a scenario for you. Your neighbour tells you rain is going to fall, don't go to work because of a flood will happen, boom, what will your decision be, will your neighbour be your influence for not going to work, or you have something else in mind, tell me your answer I will tell you mine. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:50pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
hoopernikao:I'm disappointed the bolded is coming from you, I won't answer except you can't, I know you can. What is the consequence for jumping from a skyscraper with out parachute. What is the consequence for slapping a solider man. What is the consequence for lying in a court. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 6:52pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: For scenario to help you understand influence and limits of man. What are the options available for man in terms having a human child 1. born through man/woman (natural or non natural) 2. Adopt 3. Avoid having The above are influences and limitations placed on you by your environment. This is independent of your thinking. Now, the choice of a free thinker is limited by these influences available to him. His final decision also, is a subset of that influence. This is how things are patterned in life. And until you know the limit of your thoughts and the influence on your mind, you won't embrace reality. Freethinking is just a word on paper, it doesn't exist in reality. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 6:57pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: You determined non of that Sir. People have survived plane tickets crash at high-speed People have harassed soldier and get pardon by situations around it. Something as simple as the superior finding out you are from his village has delivered many, while others have not only been beaten but killed just for slapping. People have lied in court and had 3 weeks of community service, while some have had 3 years jail, likewise others lifetime. You don't determine consequences my friend. The limitations of your mind let you feel you can determine or know consequences, but sadly, the way the affairs of mankind is run, you have no input in determining your consequences. I hope this is clear. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:59pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
hoopernikao:I've just address this, to be given birth (situation) a baby cannot decide to be given birth, to commit suicide (Scenario) suicide will not commit it self, you still have to push that knife inside your stomach. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 7:00pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: I didn't refer to the baby, but I refer to you who want baby. What are your options. Are they limited, influenced or not. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 7:03pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: ![]() Do you have choice more than (GO and DONT GO?) in your scenario? Whatever your thoughts and decision, the outcome is already decided as choices for you. Do you get. That will limit your research, study and thinking. You won't think beyond making decisions between going and not going. Why? Those are the ONLY options available to you Of the thinking is truly free, it will not be subjected to choices. I belief in critical thinking, if that is what you want to say. But calling yourself a freethinker is an illusion at best. Let such word stay with the dictionary not in reality. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 7:03pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
hoopernikao:So what you're trying to say is we humans don't know the consequence of our actions, even though you literally just gave me the consequence of lying in a court. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 7:07pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
hoopernikao:Let's talk na, Your neighbour tells you rain is going to fall, don't go to work because of a flood will happen, what will your decision be. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 7:14pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: No man can determine the consequences of his actions. You only presume the consequences based on legality and rules and studies. But life has shown us that people receive consequences absolutely independent of their expectations. You can determine your actions subject to the limit given you but you can't determine its consequences. Never. The consequences I gave you wasn't determined by the accuser (the man in issue) but by the judges and circumstances. Don't let me starting giving you life scenario. You will fully understand that man truly is not in control of anything. I mean anything. It's just a deception to say you are in control. We are in a world of influence. What influences you determines how you see life. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 7:15pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: I already answered you. See below. Do you have choice more than (GO and DONT GO?) in your scenario? Whatever your thoughts and decision, the outcome is already decided as choices for you. Do you get. That will limit your research, study and thinking. You won't think beyond making decisions between going and not going. Why? Those are the ONLY options available to you Of the thinking is truly free, it will not be subjected to choices. I belief in critical thinking, if that is what you want to say. But calling yourself a freethinker is an illusion at best. Let such word stay with the dictionary not in reality. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 7:18pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
hoopernikao:So now you believe in critical but not free thinking. What determines if a thought is critical? |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 7:21pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
hoopernikao:By determine you meant know, that quote isn't far away I even bolded it. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 7:22pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE And it's very important to point this out to you. That The one who claim to be an atheist The one who serves Jesus The one who claimed otherwise The one who serves himself or The one who think his thinking is free... Are all influenced and working within the choices of life available to them. There decisions are based on influences available to them. But note, every of this decisions have consequences and it's not determined by any of them or us. You must always remember this. That your decisions even though are your decisions, they truly aren't as per influence. Likewise the consequences at the end of the day won't be determined by you. That is the limit placed on humanity. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 7:23pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: He cant determined ahead of time what his consequences will be. He can't know and he can't choose his consequences. |
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