Janosky:


Bros, John 14:28 Jesus Christ says your Trinitarian quote of Philippians 2:6-7 is FALSE.

Any rendition of Phil 2:6-7 tilted against John 14:28 is a Trinitarian FRAUD.

The holy Bible, John 1:18 "Jesus revealed his own Father" as in his heavenly Father" NOT "one person who takes 3 stages to reveal himself"

Solite3 and brocab both Trinity adherents won't even agree with your version of Trinity

Rozz:
because it's like we are starting all over again,i don't want people to insult me anymore.One has taken it upon himself to insult me day and night because of my post

Rozz:
honestly ehn I'm not anything near you guys as rregards knowledge of the scriptures but I wish you were here earlier.I only asked questions and needed answers to quench my curiosity

DrLiveLogic:


The problem with you JWs is that you don't know God. You all think God is like a man or an angel who can't be in two places at the same time and you wonder how God can be on earth and heaven at the same time.
Joh 3:13 KJV And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is (Greek: being) in heaven.
I bet y'all never knew Jesus said He was in two places at the same time. Earth and heaven at the same time.

"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

"Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith then Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." Watch Tower 1923 Apr 1 p.106

"... the remaining months before Armageddon." Watchtower 1941 Sep 15 p.288

"Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p.216

Janosky:


Bros, John 14:28 Jesus Christ says your Trinitarian quote of Philippians 2:6-7 is FALSE.

Any rendition of Phil 2:6-7 tilted against John 14:28 is a Trinitarian FRAUD.

The holy Bible, John 1:18 "Jesus revealed his own Father" as in his heavenly Father" NOT "one person who takes 3 stages to reveal himself"

Solite3 and brocab both Trinity adherents won't even agree with your version of Trinity

johnw47:
false jw mad max
Pro_14:5  A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

and wow do you ever utter and utter and utter

solite3:

care to show how trinity is fraud?
many times you jwo always run away when provided with the truth,
Answer these questions
who is Jesus?, an angel or God?
who is the Holy Spirit, a force or a person?

provide biblical reference or forever remain silent.

The Trinity is very simple, one God in three persons.

I have proof for it in the bible,
I have proof that God the father is a different person from the Son and the Holy Ghost,
I have proof that Jesus is Almighty God
The Holy Spirit is a person and Almighty God and the father a person and Almighty God.
All you have is insults and bile to spew all over.

mrsteel:

People insult u because u are a hypocrite!
You claim to be a preacher, but always take photos of your breast and nyansh? Are u in any way trying to mock God?

johnw47:
DrLiveLogic, readers can know that you have some truths to say
when big mouth false jw's like janosky come out of the woodword to attack you

lying false jw janosky only gives book, chapter and verse numbers
he doesn't quote the verses because he knows that many don't line up with what he is saying

same as other false jw's do




good

DrLiveLogic:

No sir. Paul indeed learnt the OT from the Pharisees under Gamaliel. But what did he do with all that learning?(Phil3:5-8 ). He threw it in the bin and had to relearn everything at the feet of Christ. (Phil3:7-10).
He left behind the other Pharisees whose learning was opposed to the gospel and became a foremost preacher of the gospel for which they even tried to kill him again and again.
Don't you guys read the Bible?

He was taught all of gospel he preached to the gentiles by the Lord Himself and learnt nothing from other disciples either. You people should allow the man and stop denying his own words now. Is it by force?
Paul didn't go to learn the gospel from any man. Hear from him and stop disregarding the horse's mouth.
Gal 1:11-12 KJV But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:17 KJV Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

Even the ordinances of the gospel (communion, gifts of the spirit etc.) that Paul learnt were from the Lord Jesus.
Look again and learn, friend.
1Co 11:23-26 KJV 23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Do you see again that the same thing the apostles learnt from Jesus directly, Paul also learnt from Jesus by revelation and not from the disciples.

Accept the simple fact. Jesus teaches men directly by revelation. Any one who is afraid to let you learn directly from God but only wants you to learn from him is leading you to a cult.

You JWs don't study the scriptures, you just sit and learn what some elders tell you and none of you are bold enough to question any lie.

DrLiveLogic:

What I'm asking here is having read mine and Max's exchange on Paul which I just trashed his argument hands down, do you believe Jesus reveals Himself to people or one can only learn from certain teachers?
It's not an exam. I'm not asking you for the right answer. I just want to know your own answer. This may give me an idea of what you are and what you're not.

TATIME:

There is just one thing that needed to be done on this issue of Apostle Paul, if you agree that he meant the OT from his Jewish teacher that means he had the basic knowledge about the Christ and what the Christ is coming to do but Paul never knew that all what the scriptures said about the Messiah (Christ) is to be applied in the case of Jesus.
After Jesus has appeared to Paul this man now need to know the difference between the teachings of his Pharisaic fathers and that of the Christians. So having gotten the elementary learning already he now grasp all what his former teachers thought him as if he's now in the light.
What Maximus69 is saying is that there is no argument that God's word is from mouth to mouth otherwise we must agree that each person just need a copy of the Bible and Jesus will do the rest by himself!
I was a Muslim and my religious teachers do have copies of the Bible, let me even correct the impression that most so called Christians don't know today the passages religious terrorists often quote before slaughtering their fellowman are excerpts from the Bible!
So if we're to conclude that Jesus will minister to them personally before they can know him then we are deceiving ourselves because without proper guidance on the right application of God's word many things will go wrong!

DrLiveLogic:


LMAO. So you were a moslem? Unfortunate that you left one enclave of falsehood only to enter another(JW) in search of truth. I'm sure you've dropped all the lies the terrorists claim from bible to kill people. If so, then you can easily understand how Paul threw away the lies the Pharisees also taught him but you're now claiming he retained it, LMAO.
I just hope you will after all your jumping around finally find, the only true God, Jesus Christ and not another denial sect about him and realise that He isn't only in heaven but also lives inside men - another thing only God can do and no angel can do.

As for our argument about how Paul learnt. I'm not going to follow you to keep going in circles. It is already evident to all who can reason without lying from our exchange that you deny the horse's mouth and Bible but believe only your elders.

Lastly, I'm not claiming Jesus doesn't send men to teach. I'm only showing you that He also himself, teaches men directly if He wants and this the Bible clearly teaches through Paul but lookatchu claiming that he continued with his former learning from pharisee sect and added from Jesus' disciples.
Tell us then, if there is any truth in you, why did the pharisees want to kill him if not that the gospel Jesus(and no man) taught him by revelation was opposed to the teaching they gave him.

DrLiveLogic:

How great is your ignorance. Rozz please come and witness this phenomenal display of JW confusion.
Janosky, kindly tell us when the Son(a person) became the Bible(a book).
You keep giving me scriptures for my position. Thank you for showing us that Paul himself said in Hebrews 1:1-2 that God spoke not through even humans but through the Son Himself.
Also show us where John studied the Bible in Revelation. Was it not Jesus that showed him those things. This is despicable ignorance. Smh.
Don't post again until you pass it round for scrutiny from your fellow JWs before they think you're a traitor, LMAO.

DrLiveLogic:

I'm not claiming Jesus doesn't send men to teach. I'm only showing you that He also himself!

Maximus69:


Perhaps i need to spotlight the point in what you and i discussed so far!

Paul learnt God's word from people before he encountered Jesus who revealed his identity as the promised Messiah! Act 22:3
This is the point that you've been missing all these while, though i concluded you're only trying to argue blindly but it's like you actually thought you have some points.

So let's consider what the scriptures have to say on the matter.

Jesus is the Messiah (Christ) that God has promised through the words spoken by all the prophets from the time of Abraham till John the baptist, so all Israelites have been anticipating the coming of this promised Christ. Deuteronomy 18:15-18, Act 3:22-23
Note what Jesus told the Samaritan lady he met at Jacob's well, Jesus proved to be a prophet by revealing some things to the lady which triggered her interest in knowing more about what she's been taught from childhood, her own people (Samaritans) believe that people can also worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob on mount Gerizin in Samaria but the Jews are insisting that it's only in Jerusalem that pure worship is done, so she wants to know what this man she can see as a prophet will say to that.
Jesus reechoed the same thing that Jews always say so the lady concluded that Jesus' judgment is partial since he's also a Jew but she said something that made Jesus revealed his true identity to her.
She said "i'm sure all these confusion will end when the Messiah (Christ) comes" at that Jesus immediately told her "i am that long awaited Messiah" John 4:7-29
So you can see that all those who worship the God of Israel knew about prophecies regarding the Christ but what they didn't know is who exactly is the prophecies pointing to? Act 8:32-36
Paul as a Jewish Scholar also had all the elementary teachings regarding the Christ {Hebrews 5:12 compare to Act 22:3} so for Jesus to have appeared to him face to face is like what Jesus did to the lady at Jacob's well, Jesus revealed his identity to Paul! Act 9:1-5

brocab:
How are you bro, good to have you back ?

TATIME:


I'm now a teacher by God's grace so i don't just argue pointlessly, so leave the issue of falsewood for now because i'm certaint that you're on the wrong side.
So let's focus on the points!

If you truly agree with what you typed up there, please how do you expect God's people to be united in FAITH as Jesus fervently prayed {John 17:21-23} when some don't have to learn from the same source?

Today there are over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians and each have it's own definition of your Trinity God, moreover contradictions is everywhere on the issue of this your Trinity, Rozz can testify to this fact as each trinitarian keep coming up with different explanations.
Mind you each of them says Jesus spoke to them, yet they're not one in line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10

Paul said he is not a God of confusion but of PEACE {1Corinthians 14:33} if you should go through different threads on Nairaland you'll notice the bitter arguments, abuses, insults even curses amongst Trinitarians all in the name of the same God TRINITY. You just responded to Maximus69 saying you don't care about how other Trinitarians define their own TRINITY God, yet you're saying JWs who are unitedly teaching the same thing and having PEACE amongst themselves are wrong!

Is that what Jesus came to established?

Rozz:
lol you seems ready for this,ok ooo

DrLiveLogic:


In summary of all you said, you have once again displayed ignorance. When Jesus came, was it not the teachers of the law that killed him? Is it not the same teachers who taught Paul to kill Christians?
If Paul held to what he was taught, why did he become a christian and why did his former clique want to kill him.
Answer this simple question.
What Paul learnt from the Pharisees, did he not throw it away to learn all over again from Jesus? (Philippians 3:5-11)
Also did Paul not clearly say that he learnt the gospel he taught the gentiles from no man but Jesus himself?
If you can't answer these two in clear terms, please don't waste my time. You guys should not carry me round in your circles o.
Abeg, Rozz, if you have other JW that have proper knowledge of scriptures, call them o. These ones so far are learners.

TATIME:


I'm now a teacher by God's grace so i don't just argue pointlessly, so leave the issue of falsewood for now because i'm certaint that you're on the wrong side.
So let's focus on the points!

If you truly agree with what you typed up there, please how do you expect God's people to be united in FAITH as Jesus fervently prayed {John 17:21-23} when some don't have to learn from the same source?

Today there are over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians and each have it's own definition of your Trinity God, moreover contradictions is everywhere on the issue of this your Trinity, Rozz can testify to this fact as each trinitarian keep coming up with different explanations.
Mind you each of them says Jesus spoke to them, yet they're not one in line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10

Paul said he is not a God of confusion but of PEACE {1Corinthians 14:33} if you should go through different threads on Nairaland you'll notice the bitter arguments, abuses, insults even curses amongst Trinitarians all in the name of the same God TRINITY. You just responded to Maximus69 saying you don't care about how other Trinitarians define their own TRINITY God, yet you're saying JWs who are unitedly teaching the same thing and having PEACE amongst themselves are wrong!

Is that what Jesus came to established?

Maximus69:


My friend, you be confirmed Olódo!

The Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes, Priests and others Rabbis all claim to believe in the scriptures but they were opposing each other just as all of you Trinitarians are doing on the issue of this your TRINITY God today!

When Jesus came his own teachings gave them headache because he was talking with authority {Matthew 7:28-29} that only him has the truth just as JWs are unitedly saying today! John 14:6

So when Paul realized that he was working with set of confused religionists, he left for Christianity. They came together against Paul because it's a shame on them just as all of you are coming up against Rozz today for declaring JWs right over your Confused TRINITY God! The only issue here is that Rozz has not learnt how to make you guys start fighting yourselves by quoting scriptures that will bring confusion amongst Trinitarians! Act 23:6-10

If the Pharisees aren't teaching the people what the law says, how do you think Jesus' counsel to the people will sound?
Jesus actually said "all what they teach you do observe but don't do according to their deeds because they put heavy loads on people when they themselves aren't ready to lift it with their finger" Matthew 23:1-4

So are you saying Jesus didn't know what he was saying by telling the people to do all what the Pharisees commanded them according to the law?

Abegi my guy this one pass your level!

Maximus69:
Deadi bodi geti accident yeepa!
Confusion breaki boonu yeepa!
Na double wahala for deadi bodi and the owner of deadi bodi, double wahala for deadi bodi!

brocab:
How are you bro.. same as above..

DrLiveLogic:

Can you see why I said your folk are ignorant and you're a teacher? Of course, no better than the masters of the law who couldn't handle Jesus' truth and all they could do was to kill him.
If, as you claim, there are 41 lies on trinity, I can assure you that yours is the 42nd and is even more pitiful than all the others because it doesn't acknowledge simple bible but forget all those and face me one on one without distraction because like I said, I stand alone and need no support for simple truth.
And who on earth cares about whether you all unite in ignorance? All your so called 41000 trinitarian sects, is each not united with their members, some having even more than your numbers?
Or are the Sunni terrorists all over the world not also united? Please spare me your appeal. Unity means nothing without truth?
My dear teacher-friend, let me answer your simple question.
You ask if God is not the author of confusion, how will he not send men to teach others so as not to avoid confusion.
Rozz, come again and witness crass ignorance of this your glorified unlearned JWs.
Now, my ignorant albeit innocent and naive teacher of falsehood, answer this question and don't back in cowardice, if you are really a Man afterall I'm only a little child learning.
If God appears to all men and teaches them directly and God is not confused, won't all men end up with the same knowledge?
Or if you as a man teach twenty different people very well, won't they have the same understanding?
How much more God Himself, teaching?
Rozz, if your friends cannot answer, come and help them now because I don't yet know where you stand.

DrLiveLogic:

Please keep up with cheerleading, my friend. I think you do it better than Rozz and the female folk. LMAO.
Maybe if you continue, your friends will not lose hope that their lies will confuse me. LMAO.
It's better you keep to just that and stay out of this scriptural exchange before you get hurt. LMAO

Maximus69:


My friend, you be confirmed Olódo!

The Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes, Priests and others Rabbis all claim to believe in the scriptures but they were opposing each other just as all of you Trinitarians are doing on the issue of this your TRINITY God today!

When Jesus came his own teachings gave them headache because he was talking with authority {Matthew 7:28-29} that only him has the truth just as JWs are unitedly saying today! John 14:6

So when Paul realized that he was working with set of confused religionists, he left for Christianity. They came together against Paul because it's a shame on them just as all of you are coming up against Rozz today for declaring JWs right over your Confused TRINITY God! The only issue here is that Rozz has not learnt how to make you guys start fighting yourselves by quoting scriptures that will bring confusion amongst Trinitarians! Act 23:6-10

If the Pharisees aren't teaching the people what the law says, how do you think Jesus' counsel to the people will sound?
Jesus actually said "all what they teach you do observe but don't do according to their deeds because they put heavy loads on people when they themselves aren't ready to lift it with their finger" Matthew 23:1-4

So are you saying Jesus didn't know what he was saying by telling the people to do all what the Pharisees commanded them according to the law?

Abegi my guy this one pass your level!

TATIME:


You are a confirmed liar!

How can you say there is unity where people are carrying weapons up and down to kill their fellowman due to racism and politics yet they're claiming worshipers of the same God in Unity?

For instance only JWs are unitedly saying "no more wars, no more training for wars and no more building of weapons" Isaiah 2:2-4

None of you have come up with something tangible to say about real PEACE, whenever politicians or ethnic classes occur, you people abandon your hopeless religions to kill one another. Whereas JWs stand as one never to lift up weapons again everywhere they are.

If you don't know the meaning of unity my friend stop deluding yourself, there is no Unity if you can't solve the problems (Satan is causing amongst the pagans) in the name of Jesus (the Prince of Peace)

That's a complete show of shame on your Trinity God!