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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 8:36am On Jun 30, 2020 |
TATIME:In answer to your question. Let me show you practically how God can teach people Himself without confusion. Paul learnt of the testaments from the Lord Himself and not from a man. Notice the bolded. 1Co 11:23-26 KJV For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. He was not there with the twelve apostles when they received it but notice that it was exactly the same thing he received from the Lord in his own revelation that the 12 received from the Lord while he was on earth, word for word, mussel for mussel. No confusion, no variation. Indeed God is not an author of confusion. It is JWs that do that perfectly. LMAO. At least now, everyone can see that whether God chooses to teach through men or through revelation of Jesus without human agency, He passes the same message. Rozz please bring out better learned JWs. This guys are wasting the thread pages and my time. 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:38am On Jun 30, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic:lol |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:54am On Jun 30, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: My friend, you're a confirmed Olódo! Don't forget you started tagging JWs as moles so stay on track! Paul learnt God's word from people but the only thing he needed is the practical application of what he learnt. Pharisees taught him from the scriptures that those who failed to live up to the law and/he revering anyone as Christ must be persecuted, Jesus taught his own followers to let God judge because event are happening that need to be observed with caution. That's the only difference in the teachings! So open your eyes and see! 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 8:55am On Jun 30, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: Nice breakdown of the whole discussion. I love the time you took to understand their mindset and break it down. Next is for them to DIVERT. Easy to say they have LOVE JOY PEACE UNITY in their midst. Someone even said even in some of their congregation the parents fight in not allowing their daughters/sons to marry their fellow witness whom they like. One will tell you its a FACELESS forum that what they say here doesn't matter. Perhaps the LOVE,PEACE and UNITY they try portray na surface thing 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:59am On Jun 30, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: God is not for confusion but for PEACE! Remember Jesus is the Prince of Peace so if there is no PEACE amongst the worshipers of Trinity, Jesus surely is not the one championing such doctrines! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 9:01am On Jun 30, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: Elihu in the midst of old men. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 9:02am On Jun 30, 2020 |
Maximus69:Ignorance upon ignorance plus distracting insults for cover-up. Go and learn the meaning of "mole". It's not an insult o. Even the person I said I'm suspecting knew it wasn't an insult and has been responding amiably. Now that your arguments on Paul's learning has fallen like a pack of cards, I'm coming soon to educate you and all your JW fellows on the Godhead of Jesus Christ. 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 9:02am On Jun 30, 2020 |
achorladey:LMAO. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 9:03am On Jun 30, 2020 |
achorladey:I've noticed their diversionary tactics. LMAO. audio unity. Only when they have no hope of winning an argument, they lie about unity. When they think they can win, they start bombarding with scriptures like pros. 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 9:05am On Jun 30, 2020 |
TATIME: Rozz come and see how your glorified unlearned JWs have shifted from the subject matters to unity and peace. LMAO. I think they trained them to divert to that when they have no hope of winning. LMAO. 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 9:07am On Jun 30, 2020 |
TATIME: TATIME: None of you have come up with something tangible to say about real PEACE, whenever politicians or ethnic classes occur, you people abandon your hopeless religions to kill one another. Achorladey: What has your religious organization ever uttered about the crisis in the north of Nigeria and beyond? Na your usual sit down and look approach or don't get involved or don't mention the names of the PARTICIPANTS in the CONFLICTS at all. because it is POLITICS 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:09am On Jun 30, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic:lol |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:18am On Jun 30, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: Try to learn from experience, JWs aren't here to argue pointlessly with you, it's just the interest we have in honest hearted and sincere observers like Rozz that's making someone like me part of the discussion. What we're saying here is simple. The result of what JWs are saying is out today, JWs throughout the world have one mindset and are zealously preaching and teaching in their respective neighbourhood what they've learnt from the Prince of Peace through his Organization. You Trinitarians are all over the place abusing, insulting, cursing, fighting and even killing one another over who knows better about your Trinity God. Nairaland is just a perfect place to be for anyone who wants to observe your delusion. At least on this thread alone more than 6 contradicting opinions have been heard on this same Trinity and you yourself publicly admitted that there is confusion in your Trinity God by saying you don't care what others say. So that's the result of what JWs believe which is Jesus only sent people to people, it has helped JWs globally to maintain the oneness in thought and orderliness has taken over their Organization making it possible to ensure PEACE. Different demonic spirits have spoken to so many people claiming it's Jesus in the name of your Trinity God today so that all of you are ashamed to name your Religion since one group's teaching totally contradicts the other yet you're all under Trinity! Jesus said by their FRUIT you will know them, not by their arguments. So keep up with your Trinity God but first let's know the correct definition or explanation of your own TRINITY before we start talking, it's pointless discussing over what is not written in the Bible and even adherents aren't having the same line of thought! 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:22am On Jun 30, 2020 |
Maximus69:false jw mad max he said rozz might be a jw moll did he say false jw's were moles, post the quotes me thinks you just lying still |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:24am On Jun 30, 2020 |
johnw47:why are you calm today,what happened |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:28am On Jun 30, 2020 |
TATIME: false jw tatime Jesus is not championing the differences in doctrine but He is championing the christians themselves |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:28am On Jun 30, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: Come on begin Yan your own PERSONAL definition of the TRINITY Doghead jare. The whole thread is learning from you. But don't forget that all your Trinitarian brothers must agree with your rasmatas before you expect JWs to take you serious o! Remember we are one in thought so we don't move like goats (each goes anywhere belle face) we move like sheep (orderly). So your unanimous conclusion first Sir!. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:30am On Jun 30, 2020 |
Rozz: The wealthiest Trinitarian! 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:40am On Jun 30, 2020 |
TATIME: paranoid false jw tatime i told you and mad max that i am non denominational yet you and max say i have a pastor, and then you say i am a pastor, and you say i am OLAADEGBU what's the point in telling you anything really when you come back with lies after lies after lies you are truly sons of the father of lies: Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:44am On Jun 30, 2020 |
Maximus69: fearful false jw mad max there is no fool like a false jw fool Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:52am On Jun 30, 2020 |
Rozz: i want you not to be afraid to answer DrLiveLogic questions which so far you are avoiding like false jw's do when they are cornered and scared 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 10:30am On Jun 30, 2020 |
johnw47:He shouldn't be asking such question,i know where it would lead,another round of insults |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 10:52am On Jun 30, 2020 |
Rozz: weak excuse, how does insults stop you from replying honestly but like i told you before, insults if you like, but the truth none the less in reply to your many lies encouraged by false jw tatime and mad max 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 1:08pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
TRINITY reloaded! @ Pastor DrLiveLogic Perhaps your business has taken part of the day from you just as it happens right here with me, but i'm still very much with you on the definition of your Trinitarian Doghead. 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 2:32pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
Maximus69: Just another noisemaker of no repute! TRINITY definitions of various forms, ask him the name of his church and see the way he will flair up like the mother hen with little chics. He's just happy to engage JWs in an argument, nothing is in his head. Thanks to God i've crossed noisier rivers than his type so his case is cheap, if he wants to talk i've given him points to work on. ~You can't teach others if Jesus do appears personally to some people, every sane person will like to see Jesus too so there's no need to teach others. ~Pastors are everywhere claiming teachers of God's word, when DrLiveLogic said people should read the Bible on their own and holy ghost will minister onto them. ~His definition of Trinity contradicts others that have been on this thread so he need to tell the forum which is correct. ~Jesus prayed for Unity amongst his own followers and only JWs are living Witnesses of such Unity and peace. ~Trinitarians on Nairaland have been arguing, abusing, insulting even cursing one another, let him solve that before coming forward to say the most Peaceful group on planet earth is on the wrong. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 2:45pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
I wonder how they are claiming to have love for the TRUTH! Clarify no way, and they chear themselves for arguing blindly against JWs! Rádaràda! Go to other threads and see how they argue blindly against one another, it's only when they hear JWs that they'll all sweep their grudges under the carpet as if they're in agreement. Ask them to mention the name of church they belong and expose their hypocritical alliance against God's people! TATIME: |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 5:14pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: You are being dogmatic about this..... Acts 9:6, Lord Jesus commanded Paul: "You will be told what you must do" The Apostles told Paul about the Lord's command of the Memorial supper, in the same manner they told Paul about Jesus appearance after rising from death. @ 1 Corinthians 11:23, Paul was right to say he received it from the Lord...... Compare 1 Cor 15:1-7,what did Paul receive? From what Source ? How did Paul know that Jesus appeared to his followers? The Scriptures said so, Paul read it. The Apostles narrated eye witnesses accounts of the Lord's memorial supper and Jesus appearance..... Will the same Apostles not tell Paul about the Lord's memorial supper Jesus Commanded them in Luke 22:19 ? Do you recall that both events occurred within the same period?
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 5:33pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic:Every discerning person following this thread already knows who is lying... When you know Bible more than Jesus Christ, John 1:18 is carnal minded statement for your Trinitarian DELUSION. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 6:40pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
solite3: DrLiveLogic, shey you see am , solite3 says " God the Father is a different person from the Son...." KNOWMORE56 CONFESSED Jesus Christ is God's angel, Yes. JWs are still correct. Trinitarians are CONFUSED . Solite3 says he has 3 Almighty Gods , "the Father is different from the Son and ghost Jesus spoke @ Revelations 3:5,12 in heaven, & John20:17 and John 14:28 on earth. Solite3 man are you a LIAR or is Jesus Christ lying? 1 Like
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:48pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
Janosky: That's why i keep telling the Dr Live Logic to make a form of agreement with other Trinitarians before coming to teach others on the topic. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 7:04pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic:When Paul converted.... Acts 9:6 Jesus commanded Paul: "You will be told what you are to do" Who will tell Paul Jesus command that Paul will do? The Apostles of course . DrLiveLogic, have you forgotten so soon you LIED that the Son whom his Father sent is the Almighty God? You no wan get SENSE |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 7:17pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
**Modified I forgot to add in #1 Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. The Lord Jesus himself testified that he was on earth(Son) and in heaven (Father) at the same time. Is YAHWEH, God of Israel the same Jesus Christ in NT who came to die for sin? It's always proper to start from what is known before proceeding to what is unknown. Some erroneously start from the unknown and create confusion for themselves. That's why I've chosen to begin from what is clear and known in the Bible: That YHWH and Jesus are one Being. When that is resolved, an unknown will come up later which is: How is it possible that one Being expressed Himself as if He were two different people, Father and only-begotten Son? This can be handled after stage one. To treat the known, we would have to look at the Being called God from different angles of His Godhead prerogatives clearly shown in scripture. #1 NUMBER OF GOD It is obvious that in order, God is the only Being who can be "First and Last/Beginning and Ending/Alpha and Omega" at the same time because he existed before every created thing and is the only One who will remain when he decides to end all existence. The Simultaneous "First and Last" is a number only the Uncreated can have. Isa 44:6 Thus saith YAHWEH, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. We see here that YAHWEH, the God of Israel is "First and Last" and is the only true God. Follow me now. Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come, the Almighty We see that God calls himself by this number, "First and Last" and also the "Who is, was and is to come". He further calls himself, the Almighty/Omnipotent (El-Shaddai), an OT title of YAHWEH. Angels are mighty, even Michael is very mighty but only YAHWEH is Almighty/Omnipotent. Now watch! Rev 11:17-18 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Who is and was and is to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned We see here that it is the same YAHWEH Almighty who sits on the throne worshipped by the same title "Who is, was and is to come". So, comparing the OT text and also the two verses in the Apocalypse, It is clear that YAHWEH Almighty's number is "First and Last" Now let us find out who is this YAHWEH Almighty, The First and Last, Who is, was and is to come? In the beginning of the apocalypse, John meets with Jesus Christ, who introduces himself as Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last... Rev 1:17-18 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. We see that this is Jesus Christ who was dead and resurrected. By his number here, "First and Last/Alpha and Omega/Beginning and Ending", we see that this same YAHWEH Almighty of OT and Jesus Christ of NT are one Being. Q.E.D. Let's move to another prerogative of God. N.B: If you cannot prove that the scriptures above are false, then you have accepted that Jesus is YAHWEH. Please don't quote me if you can't deny these scriptures. You are not worthy of an answer and please nobody should come with any distraction of trinity this trinity that or peace and unity. What we are dealing with is simple, the Divinity of Jesus Christ, whether he is YAHWEH or not. Simple. Cc: johnw47, achorladey, Rozz, Maximus69, TATIME, Janosky, Peacefullove, haywizzy007, Acehart, solite3, KNOWMORE56, hoopernikao, omokoginimi, rottennaija, Muttleylaff, liposure, FlourishE30, NuclearReactor 2 Likes |
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