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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 5:29am On Jul 04, 2020 |
DappaD: I always see reason Jesus is the true God in all your quotations. 'IN THE CHRIST ALL WILL BE MADE ALIVE' One of the attributes of the ONLY TRUE GOD is that He gives life. Jesus give life to ALL, no exception. If you ask JWs "Jesus or Jehovah, who gives you life?"... Let one of them answers,... That 1 Corinthians 15: 22-28 explanation is as follows: The only Creator of all things EXTENDED Himself in order to carry out the work of redemption. That He extended/multiplied/increased Himself does not make Him lesser in any way. It's a law that if one (1) increases itself it remains the same. Example 1×1×1=1. There is nothing, as in the features/characteristics, that you will give to the 1st one (1) that is not in the rest. The statement 'THEN THE SON HIMSELF WILL ALSO SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL THINGS TO everyone.” Simply means after redemption of the children of men is completed the extension will be cancelled! When the Bible says THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL, It uses the same words for the Son: *. Colossians 3 :11 "KJV:Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST IS ALL, AND IN ALL. So from the example above, you may give positions to them in order to show difference, The truth is that one is one. After the equal sign (=) it is still 1(one), THE ALMIGHTY ONE! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:13am On Jul 04, 2020 |
hoopernikao: Just interpret or explain what David meant at Psalms 110:1 that Peter quoted at 2:34-35 And you won't need all these stories anymore! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 6:22am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Janosky: 'YOUR POST TOO LONG' is it an excuse to evade my questions? Give me the characteristics/features/attributes/properties of the ONLY TRUE Jehovah GOD you are talking about. Simple! Now to your agitations; 1. KNOWMORE is a human being, his son is a human being. His son being a human can take/answer the name KNOWMORE without contradiction! There's nothing EXCLUSIVELY in name answering. Only occultic organization teaches that. 2. The Lamb is at the CENTER of the throne. This Throne here is the most high throne. The Cherubim and Seraphim and the Elders surrounded It, the 7 spirit of God is also there upon Him(Jesus). What else are you looking for to make you understand that this is the true God? 3. I have posted severally that Jesus is the true God, He only chooses any OFFICES He wants at ANYTIME, and ANYWHERE. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:25am On Jul 04, 2020 |
solite3: Greatest blunder ever on Nairaland! ![]() The person we talking about is the God of Abraham the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob (Israel), these are the Jewish patriarchs that this God often use their names to impress on the minds of interested persons who wants to approach him for worship. So between the Jews and the English, who knows the correct pronunciation of the name of this particular God? ![]() Sorry my friend, Yahweh is God's name not Lord, it's the Trinitarians who wanted to equate him with Jesus that mistranslated all those verses and replaced the divine name with a title Lord! Where these crooked Trinitarians got confused is Psalms 110:1 when David said "JEHOVAH said to my Lord" There Trinitarians translated the verse dubiously as "The Lord said to my lord" If Lord is God's personal name then how come two lords appeared there? Why then did Sarah refer to Abraham as Lord? ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:27am On Jul 04, 2020 |
johnw47:you are on duty today I guess 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:31am On Jul 04, 2020 |
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:54am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Trinitarians are running away from the simplest way to resolve all these! When engaging in a debate, each debator steps up by first introducing him/herself, the faculty he/she belongs, his/her stand on the topic of discuss and finally begin developing his/her presentation. It's funny the way thousands of different religions with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings are claiming they all believe in TRINITY when they can't even use the concept of form one system of worship. Just yesterday, a Trinitarian one this thread outrightly condemned a Trinitarian Church saying they're not Christians yet millions are practicing what the Trinitarian Church of CCC teaches today! ![]() So in order to set matters straight {2Timothy 3:16} why not let~ ©Each commentator introduce him/herself properly. ©Name your Church and your position there. ©Explain what your Church teaches on the topic. ©What makes your form of worship the best as far as TRINITY is concerned. ©Explain why you think other Churches got it wrong. ©Drop your conclusion and allow others. ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:30am On Jul 04, 2020 |
hoopernikao: It would have been better if you just explain what you know about Trinity. There are thousands of different religious sects arguing bitterly on this same issue and for centuries now they've not arrived at a conclusion on the subject. What is Trinity and how do we worship this God? Your two questions doesn't make any sense when there is no agreement on the concept you're advocating. Nobody today can say specifically whether the Apostles in the first century believe that Jesus is Archangel Michael or he is God the Almighty There is nowhere in the scriptures that says Jesus is God Almighty, neither is there any part of the scriptures that pointedly say Jesus is the Archangel Michael. So all these arguments are futile. What really counts is the result of what you believe. Jesus said "a good tree will never bear routine fruit, neither can a bad tree bear good fruit" this means what we need to observe as intelligent persons is the outcome of the teaching those claiming Christians are propagating. If it's for Jesus, they will undoubtedly produce the fruit of God's holy spirit but if not, there is no argument that can make them bear the fruitage expected of God's people! James 2:18-26 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Rextizzle(m): 7:42am On Jul 04, 2020 |
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 7:46am On Jul 04, 2020 |
TATIME: Like I said, I will keep this discussion here. And ensure you keep those questions to heart. As per the bold up. You may need to research your stand well, go and get the renown Christians of that century, and study their text. Without stress I can readily provide you with text and sermons of some of these 1st century church leaders that depicted Jesus as God, that explained divinity of Christ as God. And in all research and studies non spoke or wrote about Christ as Angel, you must have seen that yourself now. It is evident. But like I said, let's keep it there for now. But keep those 4 questions to heart. Good morning. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:47am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Maximus69:I love this! ![]() ![]() ![]() (1)Tatime a Nairalander always on the religious section until my appointment as a minister last year. (2)Proudly JW and one of the ministers in the congregation. (3)We don't believe in Trinity so it's none of our teaching. (4)Since we don't teach Trinity but that Jehovah is one God and Jesus his only begotten son, we are able to disarm all our members throughout the world, unified ourselves as one peaceful family, and organize ourselves to preach and teach in our neighbourhood the reason to be peaceful and orderly in anticipation of Paradise. (5)Well since i was born as a Muslim, i've always been dreaming of a world without crime, hatred, injustice, discrimination, Juvenile delinquencies and racism. Humans can't eradicate all these in our midst but at least lovers of God should be able to quench such things within them because God is love. No religion has succeeded in this aspect except JWs, that's why i believe they've all failed to represent the God whose predominant quality is LOVE! 1John 4:8 (6)I believe Jesus will come and settle or judge the case himself as God's executioner so i'll continue doing what i know is right. ![]() ![]() ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 7:52am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Maximus69: These my long story still nullifies all your stands. And I maintain you aren't ready to be open and honest to this. Hence I will maintain these my positions below till I see you ready for open discussion here
I will keep it at that till my attention is needed again. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 8:02am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Janosky: Quote the bible scholar(s) an his source here. Quote the renown scholars that agreed it's a corrupted text. You guys just have a way of denying everything even when it's obvious to your nose. No single manuscript of all over 2,000 existing text has "his Son" added to that text except you. And you know what I mean by you. When you see truth and you don't want to agree, just overlook and be quiet on it that speak and expose dishonesty. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:02am On Jul 04, 2020 |
hoopernikao:Good morning! I know there are so many fabricated stories about the teachings of those who lived after the death of the Apostles, and i also know that the first century Christians never had any dealings with politicians. It's the collaboration of the Apostates with Rome that gave birth to so many doctrines the Churches are teaching today. So my stand remains that if it's Godly teachings it must bear good fruit amongst the adherents! Matthew 7:16-18 Your questions may bother your hearts as long as you feel it's necessary but to someone like me who has experienced different forms of worship arguments or documents means nothing when there is nothing benefitial to show for it! ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:07am On Jul 04, 2020 |
hoopernikao:Keep your questions Sir! I've gotten what i needed to know about the one true God! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 8:11am On Jul 04, 2020 |
TATIME: You group disagreed with what you wrote above. Get excerpt from your group on its discussion about the 1st century renown Christians and their writings. Your group have a different view of what you posed. They (your group) will rather defend that those 1st century Christians didn't preach Jesus as God by trying to manipulate their existing teachings and writings than denying them (1st century Christians) as you did here. You may need to check that. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 8:11am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Maximus69: Okay Sir. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:20am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Rextizzle:Majority of her age will be thinking of riches and pleasures of life, but this young girl (Rozz) has chosen the most important thing that Jesus himself recommended for all intelligent people. When worldly riches fail those pursuing it, what Rozz is acquiring now can never be taken away from her! Luke 10:42 ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:20am On Jul 04, 2020 |
hoopernikao:Good morning! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:31am On Jul 04, 2020 |
hoopernikao: Trinitarians have failed to produce one single form of worship in which adherents could have the same line of thought regarding rules and codes of conduct! 1Corinthians 1:10 So it's your personal opinion that JWs are not following the teachings of the first century Christians whose form of worship united them as on family under the same umbrella! Romans 15:5-6; Ephesians 4:3 You may feel they're not getting things right but try to meditate on the Lord's words when he said "by their FRUIT you will know them" Matthew 7:20 He never said "by their arguments" otherwise i'll be interested in arguments and not the fruit of God's holy spirit. Only amongst JWs you can find the PEACE that Jesus promised his disciples {John 14:27} all other religions claiming Christians are divided no PEACE amongst them. If you're sincere with yourself, go and investigate what i'm telling you now! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:45am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Satan has really blinded them so that the illumination of good news about Jesus who is the image of God might not shine through! 2Corinthians 4:4 ![]() Imagine arguing in support of confusion! ![]() There are thousands of different Trinity religions, they're always tackling themselves and you want right thinking persons to agree with you that those ones are the same tree that God planted, whereas the Bible made us understand that the first century Christians were united in thought! ![]() Truly Jesus' words are true! When he looked at the way Satan is working hard to confuse his followers Jesus said "if i return to this planet, will i still find this kind of faith that i teach you guys?" Luke 18:8 Well i'll always say this "Jehovah's Witnesses, may God bless you guys, thank you people for locating me!" ![]() TATIME: |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:51am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Maximus69: You are welcome my brother. All thanks, glory and honour belongs to JEHOVAH! May your feet never stray from the path that leads to everlasting life! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 8:51am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Rozz: Maximus69: most duh lie lie rozz, of course you constantly speak nonsense and lies and you simpleton false jw mad max think her moronic utterances are hilarious but understandable, you are both of the devil: Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:00am On Jul 04, 2020 |
TATIME:Amen in Jesus name! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:00am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Rextizzle:I'm not addicted,blame it on the lockdown,soon I won't be having much time again to visit here |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:04am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Rozz: most unintelligent lie lie rozz a lot of the time you sound like you are addicted to alochol and drugs too but it could be just your mumuness |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:13am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Rozz: Then that means Covid19 and the lockdown has done you a lot of good. Because from now onwards you'll be skeptical about most Churches around you claiming Christians but can't maintain LOVE, JOY and PEACE amongst them. But even when the lockdown ends, try paying rapt attention to yourself and to your beliefs because by doing so you'll be saved and those who are taking note of what you're saying! 1Timothy 4:16 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:48am On Jul 04, 2020 |
lie lie rozz, no one would post these pics of themselves unless they were deluded into thinking they were attractive, big out of proportion fat backside, yuk but then big fat botty matches big fat mouth
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Rextizzle(m): 9:53am On Jul 04, 2020 |
Rozz:I thought they have relaxed the lockdown? aren't you working ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Rextizzle(m): 9:54am On Jul 04, 2020 |
johnw47:I would still bang it, any day any time. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DappaD: 10:07am On Jul 04, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56:Don't ever try misquote me. You'll hurt yourself in the process. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 10:19am On Jul 04, 2020 |
johnw47:ha! what are you doing in my profile Mr fake wealthy pastor johnw419,you are so childish lol |
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