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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 10:24am On Jul 18, 2020
hoopernikao:


Why are you cunning with your response? When your argument are shrouded in deception, you will be striving for another motive different from that of God.

You said Justin Matry preached that Jesus is an Angel and quoted "Dialogue with Trypho". The sad part here is you went ahead to lift his statement out of context just as you do the scriptures. That is very bad.


See below extract from the conversation.

Firstly in the context you quoted, let me give you the full quote.

God began before all creatures a Beginning a certain Reasonable Power from Himself, who is called by the HolySpirit, now the Glory of the Lord, and the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, the GOD, and then Lord and Logos.

This statement occurred in the 3rd paragraph of their discussion. In this line he used the word an Angel, the God. Hope you observe the article "the" used. Not a god. THE GOD. The God means true God. You subtly removed this from your quote. Hope you see you arent honest here.


Secondly, he has first explain his usage of the word "an Angel", earlier in his 1st paragraph. And that is the meaning it carried all through his explanation See below. This is how he started his conversation.

There is, and that there is said to be, Another GOD and Lord subject to the Maker of all things who is also called an Angel, because He announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things, above whom there is no other God, wishes to announce to them.

Notice, he called Christ "Another God". He didnt say he is called so, he said he is Another God.


He said he is also called "an Angel" then he gave you a reason. He didnt say he is an angel, a being. His reason is clear: because He announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things

That is the same word for a messenger. The word messenger is the same word for angels. Hence as Jesus in the flesh was sent of the father, he called him a messenger (angel). This is consistent with the scriptures where those sent by God are referred as such.


The key context here is he called Christ, GOD, ANOTHER GOD. He didnt give a clause or reasons. He then said he is to announce what God wishes, that is where the work of the messenger is. And that is the one in the flesh.

Now, go and read his last paragraph and dont be in a rush.


In the last paragraph, Trypho asked him a question, see below and his answer.

Trypho Asked: You endeavor to prove an incredible and well-nigh impossible thing, that God endured to be born and become man....


READ HIS RESPONSE VERY VERY WELL.

Justin Replied: Do you think that any other one is said to be worthy of worship and called Lord and God in the Scriptures, except the Maker of all, and Christ, who by so many Scriptures was proved to you to have become man?

Observe his words: Jesus is worthy to be worshiped, called God and Christ.

He repeatedly affirmed that Christ is to be worshiped and called him God, he came to earth as Son. Those were his submission.

You must learn to be honest and open in discussion. Dont be slippery and shrouded, you dont need that.


So, i ask again,

Give me a single 1st/2nd century writer that preached that Christ is "an Angel". We have over five 1st/2nd century preachers who preached Christ as GOD, well detailed. These are people the oracle of Christ were directly handled to. Some were taught by the Apostles. So, show me one person.


@ highlighted, Go and sleep . proved
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 10:27am On Jul 18, 2020
solite3:
how does Jesus descending with the archangel means Jesus is Angel micheal?
If the president comes with the voice of the chief of army does that mean the president is the chief of army?

besides you have not provided any verse that says Jesus is Michael? Michael does not even have the authority to rebuke Satan but Jesus rebuked Satan with his own authority. Does that not tell you that Jesus is not Angel Michael?



Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


Michael can only rebuke satan in the name of the Lord.

how does Jesus rebuke Satan,

Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

micheal had to appeal to someone with a higher authority

If the president says its his voice that will always Assemble the troops. Then for him to come in the voice of the chief of army and the troop assembled , shows he is serving as the Chief of Army .


The issue here is the dead hear Micheals voice and rise ... The dead hear Jesus voice and also rise... Solve the riddle !!!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by cornelboy(f): 3:28pm On Jul 18, 2020
DappaD:

You're always welcome to study the Bible with us sir smiley
where do you stay?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 4:08pm On Jul 18, 2020
I won't advice anyone giving out his/her location on a public forum.

@ DappaD
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DappaD: 6:23pm On Jul 18, 2020
cornelboy:
where do you stay?

That won't be necessary at all chief smiley
Any Jehovah's Witness in your area can study with you, it's the same Bible study/info/counsel that you'll receive. But because of the pandemic, that may not be possible.

So to save everyone that stress for now that the pandemic is still raging, you can begin your study using our website at jw.org to know what the Bible really teaches about Jehovah God, Jesus Christ, God's Kingdom and other interesting subjects. You can use this link to easily access the website: https://www.jw.org/en/
On the home page, you scroll down til you see the picture below.
And then you can start from there. The Bible study is free of charge and interactive. You won't need to sign up or anything like that. And what's more, you can follow the study up at your own speed and time.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:10pm On Jul 18, 2020
GRIMMJOE:
Oh it seems you've come back to your senses, then listen to this.

Someone who's free is free from freedom it self, the moment you start chasing freedom is the moment you've accepted you're a prisoner, and the moment you chase peace is the moment you've accepted you're are at war ~ GRIMM JOE

We are all free, all that is needed letting go of the great illusion...Religion.

I'll apologize a million times for all the hurtful things i've typed to you on this forum, but as for my faith, please don't go to that area because i'm going to die with it! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:12pm On Jul 18, 2020
cornelboy:
where do you stay?

Wherever you find a JW on this planet, just know that you've found DappaD! smiley

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by cornelboy(f): 8:34pm On Jul 18, 2020
Maximus69:


Wherever you find a JW on this planet, just know that you've found DappaD! smiley
smiles
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:21pm On Jul 18, 2020
GRIMMJOE:
You don't deserve a complete sentence, you don't even deserve a reply at all.

Go and print a copy of this sentence and paste it on the wall of your room "I AM STUPID" say it every day when you wake up, every day before you self, keep saying it till the day you decide to have sense.
Useless
Hopeless
Jobless
Helpless
Worthless beggar claiming Freethinker! cheesy cheesy cheesy

Never mind Maximus is empathetic but me i'm not o, if you don't know how to control your stupid ass i'll kick it for you. You useless sadistic beggar of no pedigree, i hid your joblessness for people not to know what caused your madness but you don't deserve it. Go and beg Maximus69 he's capable of connecting you instead of shamelessly begging for stipends on social media! cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:30pm On Jul 18, 2020
TATIME:

Useless
Hopeless
Jobless
Helpless
Worthless beggar claiming Freethinker! cheesy cheesy cheesy

Never mind Maximus is empathetic but me i'm not o, if you don't know how to control your stupid ass i'll kick it for you. You useless sadistic beggar of no pedigree, i hid your joblessness for people not to know what caused your madness but you don't deserve it. Go and beg Maximus69 he's capable of connecting you instead of shamelessly begging for stipends on social media! cheesy cheesy cheesy

It's OK brother, please let him be since we know the root cause of his aggression, there is no need adding to his troubles! undecided
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:10am On Jul 19, 2020
lie lie rozz
Thanks to everyone of you,may God guide us all to the right direction.I have been asked to quit this forum and I have no option than to obey.God bless all of including my fake pastor johnw47,GRIMMJOE,and the snake man achorladey

good riddance lying fatty

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:20am On Jul 19, 2020
lie lie rozz
The way you always mentioned some part of my body is worrisome,i guess it has caused you unrest,dont worry you won't be seeing any again.If not that you're a fake wealthy pastor,i would have sent you a personal mail lol.night crawler

are you trying to make me vomit
you are really in love with your fatself

with the big ego you have, you will read this, ha ha ha, good riddance once again devil's daughter:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:29am On Jul 19, 2020
lie lie rozz
The way you always mentioned some part of my body is worrisome,i guess it has caused you unrest,dont worry you won't be seeing any again.If not that you're a fake wealthy pastor,i would have sent you a personal mail lol.night crawler


you must have been in love with me posting to me all the time
but i didn't even like you, even if i was not married, you fattys are not my type

but in particular i just don't like those who love lies
your daddy however would be happy with you, your sugar daddy as well

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


what a piggy i won't hear from you again

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:51am On Jul 19, 2020
TATIME:


Undoubtedly this GRIMMJOE is a teenager! undecided undecided undecided

So you've been expecting a Soldier to retreat in the face of a bloody civilian like you? embarassed embarassed embarassed

Well i present to you once again Maximus the ex-military intelligence officer! smiley smiley smiley

He only ignores lousy toothless (harmless) fools like you, not because you're hurting him but you are becoming an insult to his intelligence if found chatting with pointless noisemakers of your type!

girlie tatime

as queer as can be

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:56am On Jul 19, 2020
lie lie rozz
pls stop this already,you don't know when someone is playing around, stop it.You think I'm a bad girl?im not even near anything bad.its OK please

truly you lovers of lying are bad, you will be thrown into the lake of fire:

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 1:50am On Jul 19, 2020
lie lie rozz
Thanks to everyone of you,may God guide us all to the right direction.I have been asked to quit this forum and I have no option than to obey.God bless all of including my fake pastor johnw47,GRIMMJOE,and the snake man achorladey

lie lie rozz, a liar right to the end, of course, your sugar daddy taught you well:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 2:00am On Jul 19, 2020
Are you on drugs?
GRIMMJOE:
So now what?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 2:04am On Jul 19, 2020
How does Maximus be X Military-when in fact the JW's don't fight no mans war..
So it seems someone is talking through their backside.
JW's are against any military soldiers that deal with war..
TATIME:


Undoubtedly this GRIMMJOE is a teenager! undecided undecided undecided

So you've been expecting a Soldier to retreat in the face of a bloody civilian like you? embarassed embarassed embarassed

Well i present to you once again Maximus the ex-military intelligence officer! smiley smiley smiley

He only ignores lousy toothless (harmless) fools like you, not because you're hurting him but you are becoming an insult to his intelligence if found chatting with pointless noisemakers of your type!

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 2:08am On Jul 19, 2020
lie lie rozz
Thanks to everyone of you,may God guide us all to the right direction.I have been asked to quit this forum and I have no option than to obey.God bless all of including my fake pastor johnw47,GRIMMJOE,and the snake man achorladey

phony excuses excuses, you couldn't handle the replies to your big fat mouth,
your big fat mouth does match your fat body though

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:30am On Jul 19, 2020
brocab:
How does Maximus be X Military-when in fact the JW's don't fight no mans war..
So it seems someone is talking through their backside.
JW's are against any military soldiers that deal with war..

What are you using to think when your brains are locked up in this TRINITY shit? embarassed embarassed embarassed

Maximus was a Muslim whose religion sees nothing wrong in military, he resigned when he wanted to become a Christian. Is that not what Apostle Paul was talking about? "And yet that is what some of you were before you became Christians" 1Corinthians 6:11

That's what made him X soldier if your brains isn't functioning! angry angry angry

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:15am On Jul 19, 2020
Maximus69:


I'll apologize a million times for all the hurtful things i've typed to you on this forum, but as for my faith, please don't go to that area because i'm going to die with it! smiley
Remember it's just my perspective of freedom, no need to get worked up about it, or could it be you felt something.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:17am On Jul 19, 2020
TATIME:

Useless
Hopeless
Jobless
Helpless
Worthless beggar claiming Freethinker! cheesy cheesy cheesy

Never mind Maximus is empathetic but me i'm not o, if you don't know how to control your stupid ass i'll kick it for you. You useless sadistic beggar of no pedigree, i hid your joblessness for people not to know what caused your madness but you don't deserve it. Go and beg Maximus69 he's capable of connecting you instead of shamelessly begging for stipends on social media! cheesy cheesy cheesy
I see you still haven't learned.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:18am On Jul 19, 2020
johnw47:

lie lie rozz


good riddance lying fatty

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 10:00am On Jul 19, 2020
brocab:
Are you on drugs?
You never see anything.

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 11:02am On Jul 19, 2020
GRIMMJOE:
Remember it's just my perspective of freedom, no need to get worked up about it, or could it be you felt something.

Each person has his/her own perspective! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 11:07am On Jul 19, 2020
GRIMMJOE:
I see you still haven't learned.

What does a shameless, jobless, hopeless and lousy beggar like GRIMMJOE have? cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 11:11am On Jul 19, 2020
TATIME:


What does a shameless, jobless, hopeless and lousy beggar like GRIMMJOE have? cheesy cheesy cheesy
I have freedom.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 11:15am On Jul 19, 2020
TATIME:


What are you using to think when your brains are locked up in this TRINITY shit? embarassed embarassed embarassed

Maximus was a Muslim whose religion sees nothing wrong in military, he resigned when he wanted to become a Christian. Is that not what Apostle Paul was talking about? "And yet that is what some of you were before you became Christians" 1Corinthians 6:11

That's what made him X soldier if your brains isn't functioning! angry angry angry

They lack the sense of comprehension, ordinarily saying "X" is enough to tell that the person is no more engaging in the field! undecided
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rabzy: 1:10pm On Jul 19, 2020
GRIMMJOE:
She's been expose to many religion and believes, it's up to her to complete the rest of the journey.

Agreed
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Ken4Christ: 1:20pm On Jul 19, 2020
Peacefullove:


I finally hit you. grin

You lied .. Show me where its written that his body was transformed ?

Philippians 3:20-21(NET)
20 But our citizenship is in heaven – and we also await a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,

21 who will transform these humble bodies of ours into the likeness of his glorious body by means of that power by which he is able to subject all things to himself.

Verse 21 says our bodies will be transformed when Jesus comes to be like the glorious body of Jesus. It means that Jesus body was also transformed. So we too are waiting for the transformation of our bodies.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rabzy: 1:27pm On Jul 19, 2020
TATIME:


He is surely studying with JWs but not mature enough to speak the language! undecided undecided :-! smiley smiley smiley


I hope you are not referring to me...if you are...I wonder on what premise you are assuming this..studying...well all of us are Bible students, we will never graduate from studying...on that you are right..lololol

Just for more clarity...I was baptized at ota assembly when it was not yet an auditorium on September 7 1991, I won't mention other privileges of service through the years. I asked dappa if he wants the zoom link I can give him, and I will remove him after 10mins because I manage the meeting...I only cautioned on the language I have seen being used here by people who am sure are JW. Even though it is online, we are still ambassadors of Christ when we discuss Bible truths with people in no way should we resort to disparaging words..would you do the same when you meet an irate householder..before the quarrel burst forth take your leave..proverbs 17:14
If someone is not agreeable to the message and we can not continue in an amicable and amiable tone then it is better not to comment at all.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 2:14pm On Jul 19, 2020
rabzy:


I hope you are not referring to me...if you are...I wonder on what premise you are assuming this..studying...well all of us are Bible students, we will never graduate from studying...on that you are right..lololol

Just for more clarity...I was baptized at ota assembly when it was not yet an auditorium on September 7 1991, I won't mention other privileges of service through the years. I asked dappa if he wants the zoom link I can give him, and I will remove him after 10mins because I manage the meeting...I only cautioned on the language I have seen being used here by people who am sure are JW. Even though it is online, we are still ambassadors of Christ when we discuss Bible truths with people in no way should we resort to disparaging words..would you do the same when you meet an irate householder..before the quarrel burst forth take your leave..proverbs 17:14
If someone is not agreeable to the message and we can not continue in an amicable and amiable tone then it is better not to comment at all.

The message of hope for interested citizens of God's Kingdom is about to end and another fierce message of judgment is imminent, now is the time to stand firm and see the salvation of Jehovah, so please keep declaring it fast anytime, anywhere, anyhow and before anybody that we are Jehovah's Witnesses, the one and only organization of Jesus' followers, let him who is disposed to everlasting life grasp quickly that we are different from them all, there is no more time for hesitation! smiley smiley smiley

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