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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 6:11am On Jul 31, 2020
Obaboon, Kenya diversified economy, cannot be easily brought down. Horticulture doing well compared to 2019.
https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/business/horticulture-earnings-jump-to-sh81bn-1908266

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Saddamochieng00(m): 6:27am On Jul 31, 2020
Just30:
grin grin grin grin grin

You mean you are the boss of riding people on your single bicycle around town kind of business.


grin grin grin grin
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Saddamochieng00(m): 6:47am On Jul 31, 2020
samorobo:


And they are not impressive..not even by the slightest bit..

I can see you really hate Nairobi. I have seen all Nigerians criticize Nairobi but yours is a special case. You and Austine really have an issue with Kenya.

I used to think the same of Tanzanians and Ghanaians but it turns out theirs is just envy but for you two is HATE. It really pains you to hear anything good about Nairobi. Be rest assured that we'll kill you with that pain wink

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 7:20am On Jul 31, 2020
Austine1213:


Unfiltered

See jealousy. grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 7:24am On Jul 31, 2020
The Capital



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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 8:25am On Jul 31, 2020
rvp20182:
Tanzania under their impulsive tinpot dictator cooking national statistics https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2020/07/23/why-tanzanias-statistics-look-fishy

A Potemkin economy - The Economist unveils KaziKazi make-believe sinking country

Thank you for this! It proves what we have been saying for long. East African countries have a knack for cooking their data to appear good to the outside world.

I read a similar Economist article on Tanzania earlier. I got this from it:
If Tanzania’s economy grew by almost 7% in the fiscal year to
the end of June 2019, why did tax revenue fall by 1%? And why
has bank lending to companies slumped? Private data are bad,
too. In 2019 sales at the biggest brewer fell by 5%. Sales of
cement by the two biggest producers were almost flat. None of
these things is likely if growth is storming ahead.
The
discrepancies are so large that it is hard to avoid the conclusion
that the government is lying.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/07/25/tanzanias-statistics-smell-wrong?utm_campaign=the-economist-this-week&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=2020-07-23&utm_content=ed-picks-article-link-5
Look at the bolded! Is the same thing not happening in Kenya? Your cement consumption has been dropping since 2016- at least in Tanzania's case, cement consumption is flat grin. So if the points in the article apply to Tanzania, so do they apply to Kenya. Your books are cooked and trying to copy Nigeria and South Africa by putting up high rises and such can never mask your real poverty. At least your slums and starving people are a testament to the fact that your books are cooked. No country in Africa has people looking like this:

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 8:39am On Jul 31, 2020
[s]
zhike:


Kenya is way ahead of Nigeria.
In Kenya there is a lot of development that is happening, while Nigeria is busy destroying the infrastructure that was built by British.

Kenyans pay tax to their country, while Nigerians are not paying Tax to their country.
How do you expect Nigeria to develop while you are not paying Tax?

Nigerians leaders are funny:
Why Nigerian is the only country in Africa that is driving on the right?
Why Nigerian is the only country in Africa that is Federal?[/s]
SufferinSmiling mad man. A different moniker can not hide your illiteracy. grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 8:40am On Jul 31, 2020
Obakillah:

Still on opera mini? undecided
Shoplifting gallipig. cheesy

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 8:41am On Jul 31, 2020
rvp20182:
Our GDP calculation factor the falls in cement - you can see it construction and real estate sector data - but you know - we have a well diversified economy - so one sector cannot bring us down like Nigeria.
All your sectors put together is still less than Lagos' GDP. grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:13am On Jul 31, 2020
All of it powered by mini-generators. Impressive.
obaaderemi:
All your sectors put together is still less than Lagos' GDP. grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:18am On Jul 31, 2020
gallivant:


See jealousy. grin

Are those pictures filtered?
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:22am On Jul 31, 2020
Saddamochieng00:


I can see you really hate Nairobi. I have seen all Nigerians criticize Nairobi but yours is a special case. You and Austine really have an issue with Kenya.

I used to think the same of Tanzanians and Ghanaians but it turns out theirs is just envy but for you two is HATE. It really pains you to hear anything good about Nairobi. Be rest assured that we'll kill you with that pain wink

Dude Kenya got nothing on us

Lol why would i have an issue with a country, that's stupid overhyped places fails to impress me. I know better

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:26am On Jul 31, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APg0tsnPS-s

You should watch this video. Kenya is fast rising country built on the back of our hardwork and your mineral economy is gone gone to the dogs.

Not grown beyond I think 1% since 2010. The Rand has depreciated so much it tragic.

Now South Africa is just a pale shadow.

Austine1213:


Dude Kenya got nothing on us

Lol why would i have an issue with a country, that's stupid overhyped places fails to impress me. I know better

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 9:40am On Jul 31, 2020
rvp2018:
Economist - more on TZ fishy figures
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/07/23/tanzanias-statistics-smell-wrong

Can you tell your Kenyan to also include these reports when he badmouth TZ...

Tanzania's Gold exports rise by 42%........

https://www.miningmx.com/news/gold/39641-gold-exports-from-tanzania-rise-42-in-year-to-november-on-the-back-of-higher-pricing/

Tanzania's tourism revenue rise by 7.3%....
https://www.tanzaniainvest.com/tourism/tanzania-tourism-revenues-and-arrivals-up-in-2018

Tanzania's transport sector grew by 17% in 2019
Mining and quarry grew by 17.5%
Construction sector grew by 14% in 2019

https://www.expogr.com/tanzania_economy_news.php

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Mzal3ndo(m): 9:49am On Jul 31, 2020
rvp2018:
Such statistics or averages are easily available. You can ask your milk man next time you see him.
So you asked the milk men in Tanzania and they told you that they produce 1 ltr per day?
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Mzal3ndo(m): 9:54am On Jul 31, 2020
Obakillah:


Boiling milk is not a science. Witchcraft is not real. Welcome to the 21st century Tanzanian neanderthals.
You know its not a must be quantum entanglement for it to be a science, explaining natural phenomenons is science. It can be as simple as water boiling to as complex as black holes.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 9:55am On Jul 31, 2020
Kazikazi:
Can you tell your Kenyan to also include these reports when he badmouth TZ...

Tanzania's Gold exports rise by 42%........

https://www.miningmx.com/news/gold/39641-gold-exports-from-tanzania-rise-42-in-year-to-november-on-the-back-of-higher-pricing/

Tanzania's tourism revenue rise by 7.3%....
https://www.tanzaniainvest.com/tourism/tanzania-tourism-revenues-and-arrivals-up-in-2018

The Economist is not a Kenyan publication. Blaming Kenya for your woes is a dead practice in this era of information.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 9:55am On Jul 31, 2020
obaaderemi:
Thank you for this! It proves what we have been saying for long. East African countries have a knack for cooking their data to appear good to the outside world.

I read a similar Economist article on Tanzania earlier. I got this from it:

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/07/25/tanzanias-statistics-smell-wrong?utm_campaign=the-economist-this-week&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=2020-07-23&utm_content=ed-picks-article-link-5
Look at the bolded! Is the same thing not happening in Kenya? Your cement consumption has been dropping since 2016- at least in Tanzania's case, cement consumption is flat grin. So if the points in the article apply to Tanzania, so do they apply to Kenya. Your books are cooked and trying to copy Nigeria and South Africa by putting up high rises and such can never mask your real poverty. At least your slums and starving people are a testament to the fact that your books are cooked. No country in Africa has people looking like this:
Tanzania's GDP growth can be summarized in this report ......

https://www.expogr.com/tanzania_economy_news.php
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 9:56am On Jul 31, 2020
Austine1213:


Are those pictures filtered?

Yes, they are filtered for contrast. Notice the sharpness of the photos...
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 9:58am On Jul 31, 2020
gallivant:


The Economist is not a Kenyan publication. Blaming Kenya for your woes is a dead practice in this era of information.
The are many bad guys who write for that paper,some of them are Kenyans!
Just imagine,how can you write a report about Tanzania's economy without mentioning gold and tourism which are the main foreign currency earner? Madness

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 9:58am On Jul 31, 2020
Mzal3ndo:

You know its not a must be quantum entanglement for it to be a science, explaining natural phenomenons is science. It can be as simple as water boiling to as complex as black holes.

First time I have seen a Tanzanian apply science before Religion or CCM propaganda. Hats off to you Sir.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 10:03am On Jul 31, 2020
Kazikazi:
The are many bad guys who write for that paper,some of them are Kenyans!

Just imagine,how can you write a report about Tanzania's economy without mentioning gold and tourism which are the main foreign currency earner? Madness

Lets just agree to disagree there is global conspiracy against Tanzania led by Kenyans after all that's what they teach Tanzanians in school.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 10:05am On Jul 31, 2020
Arusha,Tanzania
Tztztz

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Mzal3ndo(m): 10:10am On Jul 31, 2020
rvp20182:
Tanzania under their impulsive tinpot dictator cooking national statistics https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2020/07/23/why-tanzanias-statistics-look-fishy

A Potemkin economy - The Economist unveils KaziKazi make-believe sinking country

Quick history

After the cold war ended, much of Africa democratised and opened up. Few countries better embodied the feverish hope of the 1990s than Tanzania. It had suffered grievously in the 1960s and 1970s under its founding leader, Julius Nyerere. A nascent democracy was throttled by one-party rule. An economy with great potential was wrecked by “African socialism”. Some 11m peasants were forced into collective villages, where they went hungry.

In mid 90s - Kenya and South Africa - move in to save the sinking boat.

As state controls were relaxed, investment flowed in. Steady growth more than doubled income per person between 1994 and 2010.4

Now Magufuli is undoing all that.

John Magufuli, who was elected president in 2015, has turned back the clock on democracy by locking up opposition mps and journalists. He has also meddled capriciously in the economy. His government has shaken down firms for cash, arresting their executives and holding them without bail if they do not pay up. It is “almost ransom”,

The mess

Mr Magufuli sent in the army with orders to buy up the crop for 65% more than private traders offered. In the finest socialist traditions he did not pay the farmers for over 18 months. Since then the harvest has slumped by 30%. Farmers are reluctant to plant if they don’t expect to be paid

They forced IMF and WB to report their cooked figures
The imf raised doubts last year when it said there were “serious weaknesses” in the growth data. It pointed out that public-sector wages, lending to the private sector and imports were all falling while tax revenue was growing only weakly. The authors made it clear that the official 6.8% growth figure for 2017 was not credible. Publication of the report was blocked by the Tanzanian authorities. (The Economist has seen a copy.)

The economy is tanking neverthless.

Nonetheless, the concerns raised by the imf did not disappear like their report. Analysis by The Economist using the Tanzanian central bank’s own numbers for the most recent full fiscal year available (2018-19) shows that tax revenue has shrunk in real terms. Discrepancies such as these, says Thorsten Beck of Cass Business School, are “red signals” that gdp may have been overestimated.


IMF cannot do much when you decide to cook Nigeria style.

. “We’re not forensic accountants,” he says. Its latest health check in February has also not been published. The press release that usually accompanies these reports is positive

Magufuli wrecking their economy

Foreign direct investment has almost halved since 2013.
Exports and imports both fell between 2012 and 2018.
Imports of machinery and construction equipment fell between 2015 and 2018, despite claims of booming construction. “

The growth numbers are out of line with almost everything else we are seeing out of Tanzania,” says Justin Sandefur of the Centre for Global Development, a think-tank.

Poverty is increasing - Nigeria style.

Tanzania’s recent growth ought to be evident in ordinary lives. When incomes rise, people buy more beer; yet revenue for Tanzania’s biggest brewer fell in 2018 and 2019. According to door-to-door surveys done in 2012 and 2018, the share of Tanzanians who are extremely poor, 49%, did not change at all over the period. That is almost unheard of. And because Tanzania’s population is growing, the number of extremely poor people has increased by about 4.5m.


Conclusion
Bernard Membe, a former foreign minister who has defected to the opposition, says growth is “exaggerated” and “in fact is less than 3%”. What about Tanzania’s middle-income status? “A very big joke,” says Mr Membe
Great a report from a man who denied a chance to run for president under the CCM banner saying Tanzania is cooking up figures. The decrease in Taxes in Tanzania is due to the nation deciding to ease the burden of COVID on all tax payers. Plus, the GDP growth isn't parallel with tax collection.
Import of construction material has slowed since Tanzania now produces most of its own construction material such as pipe, gypsums and other material.
And this fool say when income rises people buy more beer, the same people who send their fathers to the hospital on liver related problems.
This article is a f$*cking joke.

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