macof:


Will you keep quiet. What ancestors? You who are a lost soul with no knowledge or connection to his ancestry
Wannabe Hebrew

And nobody is trying to merge anybody with anybody you dimwit.
Yoruba and her neighbors share common origin is not the same as saying Yoruba are Igbos
Damned retard

See pain...

Can you stop forcing people to your convictions with your fire and brimstone empty erudition?

You claim knowledge but lack understanding of how the same knowledge you alluded to works, regurgitating everything you pick up online for the upteenth time to silence the same idea.

He's (Obalufon) come to the knowledge of the truth and hold his convictions na, abi na by force to agree with you?

At least, he once agreed with you but eventually abandoned you and your empty but fearful and lousy claims void of intelligence but cleverness.

Stop the bullying, he's learned enough to make intellectual choices and has right to his biases just as you do the Hebrew.

Put "Hebrew" in the place of Igbo, you can see you have nothing special in your claim than the same claim Obalufon has. You are thus the dimwit not to have seen this.

Little pharaoh, let my people go abeg.

PastorAIO:
So in other words you’re just a bigoted guy and all these things you’re spouting here have no scientific or scholarly basis just your hateful ignorance.

You really can’t see how pathetic your mind is that it is Arab and Hebrew lohun lohun that you are claiming due to religious indoctrination. But the obvious genetic link to your neighbors fills you with loathing that is obviously really a self loathing.

You call it hateful .....we have two class or groups of black people in Nigeria some migrated from the southern forest of African passing through Cameroon they escaped pygmism and the northern group that moved south due to desertification of Sahara Savannah Sahara desert was once flourish region.. Archaeologists and historians found art drawing on caves and ruins depicting once flourish region , men on horses and chariots, game hunting and taming of beast of burden...I made it clear that cushite Nubian empire stretched to present day chad region ..i'm not claiming Hebrew but i believe there was a contact with evidence given by scholars here

macof:


Will you keep quiet. What ancestors? You who are a lost soul with no knowledge or connection to his ancestry
Wannabe Hebrew

And nobody is trying to merge anybody with anybody you dimwit.
Yoruba and her neighbors share common origin is not the same as saying Yoruba are Igbos
Damned retard

Lol. Ignorant as ever and still representing ! Below is a distinctive pavement found in Yoruba land that's not found amongst Nigeria's Ibos,Udoma,Hausa, Edo,or im any part of SAVANAH region and SAVANAH WEST AFRICA ( Haour 2013)

This is another uniquen information that point to the non conformity of Yoruba ethnic as aboriginal to Africa. Below is the screenshot of original Yoruba's pavement identity, with their advance technology from time immemorial and not the Pyramid type or hieroglyphs as found in Africa. Plainly, you being Umu Igbo, need position yourself for more education.

The reality is that the frustration, continues with your types.

absoluteSuccess:


See pain...

Can you stop forcing people to your convictions with your fire and brimstone empty erudition?

You claim knowledge but lack understanding of how the same knowledge you alluded to works, regurgitating everything you pick up online for the upteenth time to silence the same idea.

He's (Obalufon) come to the knowledge of the truth and hold his convictions na, abi na by force to agree with you?

At least, he once agreed with you but eventually abandoned you and your empty but fearful and lousy claims void of intelligence but cleverness.

Stop the bullying, he's learned enough to make intellectual choices and has right to his biases just as you do the Hebrew.

Put "Hebrew" in the place of Igbo, you can see you have nothing special in your claim than the same claim Obalufon has. You are thus the dimwit not to have seen this.

Little pharaoh, let my people go abeg.

You don't go around embarrassing yourself claiming you are doing what my ancestors did. Unless your ancestors are not yoruba, after all we can't say with you clowns who claim Yoruba but claim Hebrew at the same time

I'm still waiting for your born to be foolish self to debunk a single point I have raised. When you do that you get to talk to me

Obalufon:
You call it hateful .....we have two class or groups of black people in Nigeria some migrated from the southern forest of African passing through Cameroon they escaped pygmism and the northern group that moved south due to desertification of Sahara Savannah Sahara desert was once flourish region.. Archaeologists and historians found art drawing on caves and ruins depicting once flourish region , men on horses and chariots, game hunting and taming of beast of burden...I made it clear that cushite Nubian empire stretched to present day chad region . .i'm not claiming Hebrew but i believe there was a contact with evidence given by scholars here

A contact is not what this thread was about. Claiming Yoruba are not Africans but of semitic origin was

Don't be silly

BTW. It would be lovely for you to present said evidence
And did you just call dimwits without any education scholars??
Wetin we no go see

Im going to focus on word collections and their cognates going forward.

Yoruba word 'Arede".
Usage - Express passion, desire toward opposite sex.
Sample - Alarede mi.
Meaning - My beloved.

I found to this to be consistent with English word "Ardent", to express passion, strong desire.


Yoruba word "Idu".
Variants - Ido. Edu, Edo
Usage - Geopositioning.
Sample - Iduma, Edumare, Eredu, Eredo

This word infers sacredness of earth. For instance a place of sacred energy....or magnetic properties....making it suitable for erecting shrine, a place of worship or for other sacred considerations.

I found this to be consistent with Semitic word "Ard", meaning Earth.


Yoruba word "Ana"
Usage - Establishing a bond
Sample - Ana mi. A olo da'na
Meaning - My in-law. We are making a cross-bond

I found this to be consistent with Semitic "Adna", variant "Dana", to form a close relationship or bond.

macof:


You don't go around embarrassing yourself claiming you are doing what my ancestors did. Unless your ancestors are not yoruba, after all we can't say with you clowns who claim Yoruba but claim Hebrew at the same time

I'm still waiting for your born to be foolish self to debunk a single point I have raised. When you do that you get to talk to me

Yoruba is your only identity: hence you have no pedegree. "I'm Yoruba", that's your only identity, no more no less. You have no trace of tradition connecting you to our discussion.

Your ancestors are not the target of this research bro. Stop trying to force yourself on us, get outta here...

Since you are always at variant with yourself, how would one know which ancestors is yours of the Yoruba stock?

The one that sultan Bello's work precludes or the Niger Congo linguistic family proper implies?

The bolded: what point? Olodo generation: you have knowledge but lack understanding, you copied techniques and failed to put the knowledge to right use.

Go back and study cognates bro.

Fake historian.

absoluteSuccess:


Yoruba is your only identity: hence you have no pedegree. "I'm Yoruba", that's your only identity, no more no less. You have no trace of tradition connecting you to our discussion.

Your ancestors are not the target of this research bro. Stop trying to force yourself on us, get outta here...

Since you are always at variant with yourself, how would one know which ancestors is yours of the Yoruba stock?

The one that sultan Bello's work precludes or the Niger Congo linguistic family proper implies?

The bolded: what point? Olodo generation: you have knowledge but lack understanding, you copied techniques and failed to put the knowledge to right use.

Go back and study cognates bro.

Fake historian.

I'm waiting for you to debunk any information I have given here.
As I have dealt your nonsense heavy blows

macof:


You don't go around embarrassing yourself claiming you are doing what my ancestors did. Unless your ancestors are not yoruba, after all we can't say with you clowns who claim Yoruba but claim Hebrew at the same time

I'm still waiting for your born to be foolish self to debunk a single point I have raised. When you do that you get to talk to me

Lol . Wonders never ends. Is Yoruba even the ancient name for the people who claimed, being the descendants of the world founders ? Kindly keep your false view in your pocket, because your view holds no evidence.

macof:

A contact is not what this thread was about. Claiming Yoruba are not Africans but of semitic origin was

Don't be silly

BTW. It would be lovely for you to present said evidence
And did you just call dimwits without any education scholars??
Wetin we no go see

Just tell me your own ancestors are Congolese or Naija Congo so i will know you are among the animals my Yoruba ancestors are talking about ..Semitic or semolina claim atleast they are giving enough evidences to buttress their claim ,All you do here is trying to link us up with bunch of monkeys, the research one useless white man did over 100years ago , Get it in to your thick skull Mr =Macof Yorubas aren't Niger Congo , We have lot of cultural similarities with Hebrew ..Why is is hard for you to believe we are from the east .is about our colour ?

MetaPhysical:
Im going to focus on word collections and their cognates going forward.

Yoruba word 'Arede".
Usage - Express passion, desire toward opposite sex.
Sample - Alarede mi.
Meaning - My beloved.

I found to this to be consistent with English word "Ardent", to express passion, strong desire.


Yoruba word "Idu".
Variants - Ido. Edu, Edo
Usage - Geopositioning.
Sample - Iduma, Edumare, Eredu, Eredo

This word infers sacredness of earth. For instance a place of sacred energy....or magnetic properties....making it suitable for erecting shrine, a place of worship or for other sacred considerations.

I found this to be consistent with Semitic word "Ard", meaning Earth.


Yoruba word "Ana"
Usage - Establishing a bond
Sample - Ana mi. A olo da'na
Meaning - My in-law. We are making a cross-bond

I found this to be consistent with Semitic "Adna", variant "Dana", to form a close relationship or bond.

Well informed. Please, is there anyway, you can post the Hebrew's classic ideograms to Ard ? Reason being that many dictionaries to Classic Hebrew lexicon have slightly different view on the meaning which is due to figurative expression or seemingly not well translated or wrongfully translated.

Meanwhile, I know Dana and many others exist in Classic Hebrew dictionaries but the interpretation are at times in variance or not incomformity or even loosely related to Yoruba's word or words. So, I just want to see the ideogram for it if you have it.




Cheers

macof:


I'm waiting for you to debunk any information I have given here.
As I have dealt your nonsense heavy blows

They are so many, professor Google Gbamila. But I will remind you just few and recent ones.

1. You asked for the hieroglyphs that a Yoruba man can understand: this question is two edged sword, it question your intellect as a man claiming to be an historian:

As an historian, if you are to come across an antique object in the field, e g an ancient orthography, would you understand it's meaning at a glance? Your question is saying "yes I will".

For instance, can an illiterate Yoruba understand Yoruba grammar at a glance? In that sense, you lack understanding of how to gain cognizance of artifacts in their pristine form. Work on this.

2. You recently claim that Obalufon has blackwashed the Bible by echoing the statement credited to Nasser, equally shared by Cheik Anta Diop when he claimed Hebrew were blacks.

But your counter argument is not new. This is a reminder of your imaginary Green Sahara dichotomy of the human race. You have this to counter everything Egypt, from lawani to Olu and turn it over to me eventually.

If Obalufon has blackwashed the Bible, did he equally travel back in time to paint the picture of the Greek satyr to depict the races as they were in the Roman empire?

Now the black people in the picture shows that black folks were still very powerful in the Roman empire. Your green Sahara is in trouble: I expect you to reverse to accommodate or discard them altogether.

Shakespeare's Orthello should haunt you. You simply have no clue what the heck the ancient races in the near East was and never ready to change. So, are you an historian?

3. Questioning me about Robin Law on Oyo empire and Oduduwa history exposes you as a fake. You don't know about Yoruba scholarship outside the internet.

Then you have read no history of the Yoruba save the free version of the History of the Yorubas. If you have, what's the relationship between Awo and Saburi biobaku?

4. I have claim Oduduwa ateworo means Oduduwa escaped the law that could have convicted her, you said no, the word means Oduduwa descended from heaven with a chain.

Here you are citing Samuel Johnson, yet you always claim the book is this or that. Why robbing Peter to pay Paul? Why quote the work you love to condemn?

5. Oduduwa ateworo is a test of your ability to be truthful. But you aren't. If ewon is a chain, it corroborate my claim and exposes you as charlatan.

You regurgitate tradition without understanding the underlying secret and never ready to learn but to burst a fake. What does chain connotes to you if you are Yoruba? imprisonment.

6. You are recently claiming that oruka and olaaka, owo and ego etc are your validation of Yoruba Igbo common origin: how do you make common history from this? Can history flow from this?

Meanwhile, ewon is a cognate with Hebrew awon, meaning "punishment". If so, this new light validate my claim that Oduduwa beat a penal code that should have convicted her.

Figuratively, if someone is in chain or in police net, isn't that a state of dilemma? Oduduwa was in this situation at a time, because she's a historical figure, she could land in trouble.

The almighty Ogunmola was equally captured and fed with ashes. It earned him the sobriquet, ajeeru-maku Great heroes have their trying times too, it's not always rosy for human icons.

But you are not a good thinker, hence everything must come out rosy. The same applies to Odiyan: someone from Esan told me it used to be "owohan" instead of "Akhere". I couldn't believe it.

Bible said that the second child revealed his hand first by holding his brother's heel, hence he's called Jacob, "òwó han" in Yoruba language means "hand turn out".

The implication of this is that you can't hold someone's heel without your hand turning out. This insight are the feeds that further establish my claim against your empty wailing.

You have lots of thrash that I can return back to you, but let me stop here.

Olu317:
Well informed. Please, is there anyway, you can post the Hebrew's classic ideograms to Ard ? Reason being that many dictionaries to Classic Hebrew lexicon have slightly different view on the meaning which is due to figurative expression or seemingly not well translated or wrongfully translated.

Meanwhile, I know Dana and many others exist in Classic Hebrew dictionaries but the interpretation are at times in variance or not incomformity or even loosely related to Yoruba's word or words. So, I just want to see the ideogram for it if you have it.




Cheers

Yes bro. Ok, so Ive participated on variants of this same topic but in different and older threads. It happens that this particular thread has sustained much longer than the others, which I personally like in the sense we have just one container to deposit knowlesge instead of opening new threads and having knowledge scattered around. So this thread and its continuity is a good thing, we ought to keep it.

Now, there is no thread or discussion group I participated in which I have not disclosed that I am using sound and the esoterism of sound....in other words the meeting point of ether (thoughts) and material (action). There is a ritual involved....which is the dedication of self (thoughts) to earth (material). A part of us follows through and kiss the forehead to the ground....."isojude"! When a force is present to accept the ritual....that force we call "sigidi".

The intersection and interaction of geomagnetic waves with cosmic waves define certain fields referred as "Ley Lines". These ley lines our ancestors capture to site shrines and bury certain sacred items. In our own Yoruba language they are the Idus that I talked about. Eredu/Eredo being a prominent. In Semitism they are called Ard. In fact, old Mesopotamia also had a place called Eridu/Eredu.

There are probably ideograms that will explain everything and further put things into perspective but I do not know quite honestly. I have followed your use of Hebrew alphabets to break words down, i follow and understand what the alphabets are. I went to a arabic school as a little boy and learnt to read and write the quran in arabic. So I am not unfamiliar with the exercise and the usage of alif, kasra, dawma and hamza as diacritic vowels. I just have a different style and approach to the whole issue of origin.

I am not sure we are making as good a progress as was in beginning....distractions have robbed the thread of good pace.

Peace bro....and you are doing a hell lot of good job and with great new information.

Blessings to you!

MetaPhysical:


Yes bro. Ok, so Ive participated on variants of this same topic but in different and older threads. It happens that this particular thread has sustained much longer than the others, which I personally like in the sense we have just one container to deposit knowlesge instead of opening new threads and having knowledge scattered around. So this thread and its continuity is a good thing, we ought to keep it.

Now, there is no thread or discussion group I participated in which I have not disclosed that I am using sound and the esoterism of sound....in other words the meeting point of ether (thoughts) and material (action). There is a ritual involved....which is the dedication of self (thoughts) to earth (material). A part of us follows through and kiss the forehead to the ground....."isojude"! When a force is present to accept the ritual....that force we call "sigidi".

The intersection and interaction of geomagnetic waves with cosmic waves define certain fields referred as "Ley Lines". These ley lines our ancestors capture to site shrines and bury certain sacred items. In our own Yoruba language they are the Idus that I talked about. Eredu/Eredo being a prominent. In Semitism they are called Ard. In fact, old Mesopotamia also had a place called Eridu/Eredu.

There are probably ideograms that will explain everything and further put things into perspective but I do not know quite honestly. I have followed your use of Hebrew alphabets to break words down, i follow and understand what the alphabets are. I went to a arabic school as a little boy and learnt to read and write the quran in arabic. So I am not unfamiliar with the exercise and the usage of alif, kasra, dawma and hamza as diacritic vowels. I just have a different style and approach to the whole issue of origin.

I am not sure we are making as good a progress as was in beginning....distractions have robbed the thread of good pace.

Peace bro....and you are doing a hell lot of good job and with great new information.

Blessings to you!

My widow's mite to this collection is that Eridu when interpreted in Yoruba language could mean oridu, Ori dudu, which is what Sumer in Sumerian stands for.

Dudu and susu are synonymous, hence Sumer is possibly an alternative to Eridu: su/du, mer/Ori. But the Yoruba had reassigned their concept of Sumer somewhat.

Osumare, the rainbow

This is the Yoruba word closest in meaning to Sumerians'. To make histological sense of this requires that we consider whatever rainbow is to the Sumerians.

The Bible comes to the rescue: here, tradition spoke of patriarch Noa and the deluge. After the water assuaged, he came out and offer atonement or peace offering.

And like the Hebrew, the Yoruba word for this ritual is called etutu, the Hebrew version of this is "athoos", where the blood is synecdoche (a part standing for a whole).

Otu or atu is the innocent beast or animal whose blood is spilled for the sin of or for the atonement of wrongdoing, to God in this

Responding to the atonement, God gave the rainbow as a covenant. Somehow, Olodumare rhymes with Osumare, "the Sustainer of continuity" and "the circle of continuity".

Dilemma of linguistics

Like the case of Yoruba being tagged to kwa and not Afroasiatic language, the same applies to the Hebrew language: it's not listed on the info European language.

The linguistic hypothesis of language families draw strength from the present abode of a language in question with what it shares with her neighbors than trace obscure origins, however true.

The Hebrew as eponymous name derived from crossing the Euphrates, but the people are not permanent residents of the place, so they are rather natives of the country of residence.

So, could seventy people emigrating to Egypt force the Egyptian to speak their dialect? One language have to go. Then staying for another 400 years is something.

Now going back to established Canaan means either learning the lingual Franca of the Levant that must be the language of trade, the Egyptian language and other dialects.

In all this, the linguist won't have to follow the dictates of tradition here and there but decide a simple definite answer that favours linguistic proper, not "geneology" so to say.

However, people hardly drop their tradition, hence Hebrew and the hausa for instance claim to have derived from the Chaldeans. How does that fit in to the tradition of origin of the linguistic family?

Such example shows linguistics is not a death sentence on tradition of origin. The linguistic concept is called hypothesis because it's still growing and not a pure or applied science.

absoluteSuccess:


My widow's mite to this collection is that Eridu when interpreted in Yoruba language could mean oridu, Ori dudu, which is what Sumer in Sumerian stands for.

Dudu and susu are synonymous, hence Sumer is possibly an alternative to Eridu: su/du, mer/Ori. But the Yoruba had reassigned their concept of Sumer somewhat.

Osumare, the rainbow

This is the Yoruba word closest in meaning to Sumerians'. To make histological sense of this requires that we consider whatever rainbow is to the Sumerians.

The Bible comes to the rescue: here, tradition spoke of patriarch Noa and the deluge. After the water assuaged, he came out and offer atonement or peace offering.

And like the Hebrew, the Yoruba word for this ritual is called etutu, the Hebrew version of this is "athoos", where the blood is synecdoche (a part standing for a whole).

Otu or atu is the innocent beast or animal whose blood is spilled for the sin of or for the atonement of wrongdoing, to God in this

Responding to the atonement, God gave the rainbow as a covenant. Somehow, Olodumare rhymes with Osumare, "the Sustainer of continuity" and "the circle of continuity".

Dilemma of linguistics

Like the case of Yoruba being tagged to kwa and not Afroasiatic language, the same applies to the Hebrew language: it's not listed on the info European language.

The linguistic hypothesis of language families draw strength from the present abode of a language in question with what it shares with her neighbors than trace obscure origins, however true.

The Hebrew as eponymous name derived from crossing the Euphrates, but the people are not permanent residents of the place, so they are rather natives of the country of residence.

So, could seventy people emigrating to Egypt force the Egyptian to speak their dialect? One language have to go. Then staying for another 400 years is something.

Now going back to established Canaan means either learning the lingual Franca of the Levant that must be the language of trade, the Egyptian language and other dialects.

In all this, the linguist won't have to follow the dictates of tradition here and there but decide a simple definite answer that favours linguistic proper, not "geneology" so to say.

However, people hardly drop their tradition, hence Hebrew and the hausa for instance claim to have derived from the Chaldeans. How does that fit in to the tradition of origin of the linguistic family?

Such example shows linguistics is not a death sentence on tradition of origin. The linguistic concept is called hypothesis because it's still growing and not a pure or applied science.

Thanks bro. God bless you!

I was just thinking this morning about what you said here.

Outwardly language is the interface card we humans use to communicate and exchange with one another but language can suffer distortions and persecution. We speak English now because of political persecutions. In just under 200yrs we have become so eloquently profficient in the use of English that some of us even teach English to the descendants of those that brought it to us from UK....on their own soil!

Three factors help displace language -
1. Migration caused by trade
2. Civilization caused by politics
3. War caused by religion.

No language is in its original anymore. There has been a lot of word distortions, along with their meanings. What persists today of ancient traditions is spirituality.

Unlike language, which is outward, spirituality is inward.

Yoruba is a spiritual race. Our culture and customs are tenacious and immune to the outcome of our displacements in 1) migration, 2) civilization, 3) war.

This explains why we are able to tie traces between us and afroasia. Also why our footprints in Bahia, Cuba, Haiti, America remain resilience...even when others shipped along with us to those foreign soils are history.

Those who use language to find congeniality between us and kwa are jokers.

Any study to explore Yoruba roots need a spiritual approach.....that is the study of our spirituality, not necessarily a practice of it. In same way some can study and become specialist on Islam without at all being a muslim.


Moving on....
I hear you say Osumare is rainbow? Is it really?

I will follow up soon.

Check this out....
If i say Osumare is cognate with Cosmos, a Greek word, it will be difficult to prove.

If i say Cosmos is cognate with Cosmetic, an English word, there will be no dispute.


Osumare in English is Rainbow! What is rainbow? Colorful display.

What is Cosmetic? A colorful display.


So while linguistically Osumare is far from Cosmos, when considered as a utility function it matches perfectly with cosmetic....which is a cognate for cosmos.


The confusion is in rainbow and cosmetic....two English words.

What is etymology for rainbow and for cosmetic?


So you can see that as words travel and rub against other words parts of their properties and function chip off and replaced....or substituted with something else to cover the gaps.

The spirituality of a race does not suffer such abrasions.

American Indians have lost their language, unique looks, lands and sacred grounds but their spirituality is intact.

The Yoruba spirituality is found as a foundantion in many religions, from judaism to christianity and islam. All the pieces and bits we have been able to see and recognize as cognates and footprints in afroasia are made possible by the core link of ancient Yoruba practices. When it rises to surface it shows up as common words between us and them. How about if it does not rise to surface, and remains hidden beneath.....is there a way to go after it and detect presence? Yes, there is.

Cheers bro!
Remain blessed!

MetaPhysical:
Check this out....
If i say Osumare is cognate with Cosmos, a Greek word, it will be difficult to prove.

If i say Cosmos is cognate with Cosmetic, an English word, there will be no dispute.


Osumare in English is Rainbow! What is rainbow? Colorful display.

What is Cosmetic? A colorful display.


So while linguistically Osumare is far from Cosmos, when considered as a utility function it matches perfectly with cosmetic....which is a cognate for cosmos.


The confusion is in rainbow and cosmetic....two English words.

What is etymology for rainbow and for cosmetic?


So you can see that as words travel and rub against other words parts of their properties and function chip off and replaced....or substituted with something else to cover the gaps.

The spirituality of a race does not suffer such abrasions.

American Indians have lost their language, unique looks, lands and sacred grounds but their spirituality is intact.

The Yoruba spirituality is found as a foundantion in many religions, from judaism to christianity and islam. All the pieces and bits we have been able to see and recognize as cognates and footprints in afroasia are made possible by the core link of ancient Yoruba practices. When it rises to surface it shows up as common words between us and them. How about if it does not rise to surface, and remains hidden beneath.....is there a way to go after it and detect presence? Yes, there is.

Cheers bro!
Remain blessed!

You have a good point.

Even the word etutu and atonement, with it athoos are some kind of similarly produced words, atuwalara, e petu si lokan: the first is saying it will cool or ease our bodies, that meaning the reign of a particular king will be comfortable to us.

Petu si lokan means that we should kill etu to the mind of an angry fellow literally. That kind of thinking means atonement, a + tuning + meant to ease off the wrongdoing that may lead to other errors or erokero, or Eros, feelings.

What Yoruba had for sex, the Hebrew have for love, dod, poetically. And Adonis, a sexy man looks like Ado, and Ado sounds like Yoruba seems to conceal sexy in that word.

You will understand this by considering Adó (as in Oke Ado, Ibadan) the object possibly conjured up the imagery of a slay queen with killer curve to the wordsmith. Ado is unlike Adonis because Yoruba don't practice homosexuality.

The Greek makes kuoros, okunrin their cult figure. And as to languages, Moses was right that language is indeed one dabaru stuff, only God knows who created "dabaru" from daru, a chaos. To find beauty in chaos takes some breath.

That's why linguistic is a branch of social science, anything can happen anytime to any postulation and come next moment, an hypothesis is rested.

Absolutesuccess,

Bro, Im not dismissing what you posted last but I'd love that you return to your post on Osumare and Sumeria. Did you understand my response on the subject?

Lets stay on it for sometime, please.

The people in Bahia, Cuba, Haiti, Puerto Rico, had separated from Yorubaland over 200yrs and If we find a worship in Cuba or Bahia called Xango, even though the spelling is different from Sango, a result of language chip-off, we still acknowledge that the diaspora is reliving a record of their experience and practice centuries ago in Yorubaland.

On Osumare, what im saying is that the spirituality in the Yoruba of West Africa has kept this record as a token of something that Yoruba of AfroAsia experienced and practiced. That something....whatever it is....is a sacredness connected with Sumeria as you hinted.

Don't forget that your Osumare/Sumeria hint was a thrown in from the Eredu/Eredo post regarding the sacredness of earthly Idu as a stand.


Osumare is rainbow in an outward sense.....inwardly it is tied to a sacredness that began in Sumeria.

Eredo, outwardly, is an archeological site, but inwardly it has a spirituality linked with mythical Bilikisu Sungbo.
Sungbo is the Ijebu term for Ogboni.

I dont know about this practice in other Yoruba hinterland but in Lagos Island every Idu geo-location also has a Sungbo/Ogboni conclave.

Inwardly, the spirituality of Eredu/Eredo in Yorubaland is a record token of an origin elsewhere. I link it with Eridu in Sumeria.


There will be things missing in the language and outward expressions or terminologies that inwardly can find answers in spirituality. We should not be afraid to explore our own awo for answers.


Cheers!

Obalufon:
Just tell me your own ancestors are Congolese or Naija Congo so i will know you are among the animals my Yoruba ancestors are talking about .. Semitic or semolina claim atleast they are giving enough evidences to buttress their claim ,All you do here is trying to link us up with bunch of monkeys, the research one useless white man did over 100years ago , Get it in to your thick skull Mr =Macof Yorubas aren't Niger Congo , We have lot of cultural similarities with Hebrew ..Why is is hard for you to believe we are from the east .is about our colour ?

Nope, Yoruba ancestors are not Congolese. Nobody is saying Yoruba are Congolese mumu. I have to tell you this a million times over what a dense fellow

im waiting for you to do two things
1. highlight said evidence provided for Yoruba being semitic
2. debunk any of the points I have raised eg. The consonant sound change between Volta Niger languages of which Yoruba, Edo and Igbo belong; Genetic analysis showing that the Yoruba share identical y-dna (paternal lineage) with Igbo, Ga, Ewe and other groups of the lower Guinea region

All you are doing here is ranting and crying mr. Semitic Semolina
Whether you like it or not, Yoruba are original West Africans who share common origin with her neighbours

absoluteSuccess:


They are so many, professor Google Gbamila. But I will remind you just few and recent ones.

1. You asked for the hieroglyphs that a Yoruba man can understand: this question is two edged sword, it question your intellect as a man claiming to be an historian:

As an historian, if you are to come across an antique object in the field, e g an ancient orthography, would you understand it's meaning at a glance? Your question is saying "yes I will".

For instance, can an illiterate Yoruba understand Yoruba grammar at a glance? In that sense, you lack understanding of how to gain cognizance of artifacts in their pristine form. Work on this.

2. You recently claim that Obalufon has blackwashed the Bible by echoing the statement credited to Nasser, equally shared by Cheik Anta Diop when he claimed Hebrew were blacks.

But your counter argument is not new. This is a reminder of your imaginary Green Sahara dichotomy of the human race. You have this to counter everything Egypt, from lawani to Olu and turn it over to me eventually.

If Obalufon has blackwashed the Bible, did he equally travel back in time to paint the picture of the Greek satyr to depict the races as they were in the Roman empire?

Now the black people in the picture shows that black folks were still very powerful in the Roman empire. Your green Sahara is in trouble: I expect you to reverse to accommodate or discard them altogether.

Shakespeare's Orthello should haunt you. You simply have no clue what the heck the ancient races in the near East was and never ready to change. So, are you an historian?

3. Questioning me about Robin Law on Oyo empire and Oduduwa history exposes you as a fake. You don't know about Yoruba scholarship outside the internet.

Then you have read no history of the Yoruba save the free version of the History of the Yorubas. If you have, what's the relationship between Awo and Saburi biobaku?

4. I have claim Oduduwa ateworo means Oduduwa escaped the law that could have convicted her, you said no, the word means Oduduwa descended from heaven with a chain.

Here you are citing Samuel Johnson, yet you always claim the book is this or that. Why robbing Peter to pay Paul? Why quote the work you love to condemn?

5. Oduduwa ateworo is a test of your ability to be truthful. But you aren't. If ewon is a chain, it corroborate my claim and exposes you as charlatan.

You regurgitate tradition without understanding the underlying secret and never ready to learn but to burst a fake. What does chain connotes to you if you are Yoruba? imprisonment.

6. You are recently claiming that oruka and olaaka, owo and ego etc are your validation of Yoruba Igbo common origin: how do you make common history from this? Can history flow from this?

Meanwhile, ewon is a cognate with Hebrew awon, meaning "punishment". If so, this new light validate my claim that Oduduwa beat a penal code that should have convicted her.

Figuratively, if someone is in chain or in police net, isn't that a state of dilemma? Oduduwa was in this situation at a time, because she's a historical figure, she could land in trouble.

The almighty Ogunmola was equally captured and fed with ashes. It earned him the sobriquet, ajeeru-maku Great heroes have their trying times too, it's not always rosy for human icons.

But you are not a good thinker, hence everything must come out rosy. The same applies to Odiyan: someone from Esan told me it used to be "owohan" instead of "Akhere". I couldn't believe it.

Bible said that the second child revealed his hand first by holding his brother's heel, hence he's called Jacob, "òwó han" in Yoruba language means "hand turn out".

The implication of this is that you can't hold someone's heel without your hand turning out. This insight are the feeds that further establish my claim against your empty wailing.

You have lots of thrash that I can return back to you, but let me stop here.

I asked you to debunk any of my points raised here not rant and throw more personal attacks at me and my academic status. Whether I am a real historian or not is in fact inconsequential, focus on the points not the person making it.

The truth is you cannot debunk what is evidently a fact of its own. When I say the sahara was once green or highlight consonant sound changes between Kwa languages.. those are facts not mere claims and facts cannot be debunked.
On the other hand I have debunked your claims, so many of them and so many more that I just laugh over and ignore

I am not going to do another round of back and forth over the same issues addressed in previous pages of this same thread.

The conclusion of this thread given all the points raised is that you cannot debunk the points that suggest Yoruba are a native West African people with common origin with her neighbours.
While I have debunked your points suggesting Yoruba are semitic.

All that remains is for you to run helter-skelter trying to pick up your pieces and save face

macof:


I asked you to debunk any of my points raised here not rant and throw more personal attacks at me and my academic status. Whether I am a real historian or not is in fact inconsequential, focus on the points not the person making it.

Deceptive rhetorics

If your academic status is in fact inconsequential, and that comes from you, then your claims all along are inconsequential because they were at most, plagiarism.

Asking me to debunk you is expecting me to do a folly job that is your hallmark. You are to lurk in the dark, bark and bite like a dog. I am to be the reason you bark.

I never asked you for your academic status, I am testing your offline knowledge of Yoruba history, Robin Law and other Yoruba historians to be sure it's not all you are fed here that makes you an "historian".

The truth is you cannot debunk what is evidently a fact of its own. When I say the sahara was once green or highlight consonant sound changes between Kwa languages.. those are facts not mere claims and facts cannot be debunked.

There should be source to your claims except you are an eye witness to your claims. Try not to paraphrased yourself out of context, the post is still available on this thread.

As usual, here you are trying to dudge from answering questions or validate your failed conclusion as I've predicted. You are pushing a dogma that you have no idea how it works. You pride yourself in dogma.

On the other hand I have debunked your claims, so many of them and so many more that I just laugh over and ignore

A scientific piece can be debunked, but a dogma nobody can ever debunk because you can't possibly prove it to be wrong or right scientifically. You just have to agree with it or be scolded severely.

When you remember the last time you are scolded, or the hell that await your next rebuttal, you will keep in line and never tryna do distrupt the apple pie order of the "status quo". That's the validation of dogma: indestructible.

I am not going to do another round of back and forth over the same issues addressed in previous pages of this same thread.

Because you are not original in any of your claims, you are neither reading nor learning but lurking around. Hence nothing new is expected of you other than the usual. This thread is where you learn all you know.

There should be other historians with variant claim to yours, if you do research. You have to strike a balance and speak for them. Scholarship is when you entertain contrary opinion to your position.

The conclusion of this thread given all the points raised is that you cannot debunk the points that suggest Yoruba are a native West African people with common origin with her neighbours.

I can show you a thread I made for the etymology of the eponymous name Igbo back in 2013 or so, which you stopped with your perfect hatred and registered this account to pretend to be Yoruba.

Hence, you are not honest about Yoruba Igbo or Edo connection of any sort, only passing remarks to feed your confidence in the context, in order to do what you must. The kwa is a means to an end.

You are an Igbo man. The truth is evidence in your clipback at Obalufon about the hatred the Igbo have for the Yoruba. You exhumed the same hatred at the very heat of the moment.

To me, that's the moment of truth that betrayed you or whatever you stand for. Your science is without humanity, you couldn't use the opportunity that his moment of honest truth offer you to foster love, harmony and scholarship.

You have nothing you are searching for other than hurt for the Yoruba ego because it means nothing to you. You are an insidious enemy pretending to be friend.

You cherish the package than what it contains. You are empty, insult is what you improvise to stay relevant and escape scrutiny. But it won't do everything for you.

While I have debunked your points suggesting Yoruba are semitic.

This is the entirety of your purpose on this thread, it's all you want to get done at all cost.

All that remains is for you to run helter-skelter trying to pick up your pieces and save face

Cite a source to your claim about owo and ego, oruka and olaaka, etc, as shown in the picture below, from the same book you copied the input in question.

Use the same opening to butress kwa linguistic family a bit as did this writer. I think you claim back then that I don't read. You that read should know better how things work in this regard.

We don't share any DNA crack head ..Mr Stupid I need prove of your DNA analysis .The Y DNA goes back to when? i guess primordial time, ""laughing! Y DNA you are saying definitely belongs to your father Omo Eranko . I know your mother or father is IBO no doubt about it..That's why you are here to drag a whole race into your Jungle.. Volta Niger language my foot.. So white people came to name your people and classify your people to a group like wild animals... Yoruba are different people we are not ibos i need a time frame when we broke away from Ibos..Ibos are naked people... No point in history we Yorubas were ever roaming naked

macof:

Nope, Yoruba ancestors are not Congolese. Nobody is saying Yoruba are Congolese mumu. I have to tell you this a million times over what a dense fellow

im waiting for you to do two things
1. highlight said evidence provided for Yoruba being semitic
2. debunk any of the points I have raised eg. The consonant sound change between Volta Niger languages of which Yoruba, Edo and Igbo belong; Genetic analysis showing that the Yoruba share identical y-dna (paternal lineage) with Igbo, Ga, Ewe and other groups of the lower Guinea region

All you are doing here is ranting and crying mr. Semitic Semolina
Whether you like it or not, Yoruba are original West Africans who share common origin with her neighbours

Mr naija congo

Macof all the books you spent years to read in school are obsolete.. you need whitemen to write your history for you before you believe is authentic. go and read books written by African scholars

You are always trying to protect the ibos you never mention igala in Nupe and bariba as closest people to Yoruba but naked ibos .. I know who you are Mr macof only ibos have curve brain like the sound macoff!! that is the cognate lol!!!!

Realism in Art is the peak of civilization only two group in Africa are known for their Ancient Realism Art ..Egypt and Yoruba .. Yoruba were into realism Art before main Europe... Europe never believe black have the brain capacity to do realism Art rather than abstract Art

MetaPhysical:
Absolutesuccess,

Bro, Im not dismissing what you posted last but I'd love that you return to your post on Osumare and Sumeria. Did you understand my response on the subject?

Lets stay on it for sometime, please.

The people in Bahia, Cuba, Haiti, Puerto Rico, had separated from Yorubaland over 200yrs and If we find a worship in Cuba or Bahia called Xango, even though the spelling is different from Sango, a result of language chip-off, we still acknowledge that the diaspora is reliving a record of their experience and practice centuries ago in Yorubaland.

On Osumare, what im saying is that the spirituality in the Yoruba of West Africa has kept this record as a token of something that Yoruba of AfroAsia experienced and practiced. That something....whatever it is....is a sacredness connected with Sumeria as you hinted.

Don't forget that your Osumare/Sumeria hint was a thrown in from the Eredu/Eredo post regarding the sacredness of earthly Idu as a stand.


Osumare is rainbow in an outward sense.....inwardly it is tied to a sacredness that began in Sumeria.

Eredo, outwardly, is an archeological site, but inwardly it has a spirituality linked with mythical Bilikisu Sungbo.
Sungbo is the Ijebu term for Ogboni.

I dont know about this practice in other Yoruba hinterland but in Lagos Island every Idu geo-location also has a Sungbo/Ogboni conclave.

Inwardly, the spirituality of Eredu/Eredo in Yorubaland is a record token of an origin elsewhere. I link it with Eridu in Sumeria.


There will be things missing in the language and outward expressions or terminologies that inwardly can find answers in spirituality. We should not be afraid to explore our own awo for answers.


Cheers!

My bad, I had a call the day I was typing the input and I couldn't finish up with the rest of the details. My take was meant to be that Eridu and Sumer might be the same idea in synonymous form.

Eridu is to mean black heads in Yoruba, while Sumer reckoned with black heads, the original Sumerians. Eridu and oridu and a stretch of it as Eredo could conceal something beyond my grasp at the moment though.

I believe time is the revealer of all secret. My take however is just as you have it, that the Yoruba language reserved the word Osumare in memorial for the rainbow and the account that traced back to the patriarchs in the Bible.

I watched a program on two Saturdays ago on nigbati, and the guest was the custodian of Obinrin Ojowu, Ijebu. He said that the Ijebu were not omo Oduduwa, but omo luabi.

Olu iwa is the righteous man, Noah. So there's the correlations. At least Olu iwa is here placed earlier before Oduduwa in Yoruba, and thank God for the Ijebu folks, no one seems to be older than Oduduwa in Yoruba mainstream tradition.

absoluteSuccess:


Deceptive rhetorics

If your academic status is in fact inconsequential, and that comes from you, then your claims all along are inconsequential because they were at most, plagiarism.

Asking me to debunk you is expecting me to do a folly job that is your hallmark. You are to lurk in the dark, bark and bite like a dog. I am to be the reason you bark.

I never asked you for your academic status, I am testing your offline knowledge of Yoruba history, Robin Law and other Yoruba historians to be sure it's not all you are fed here that makes you an "historian".



There should be source to your claims except you are an eye witness to your claims. Try not to paraphrased yourself out of context, the post is still available on this thread.

As usual, here you are trying to dudge from answering questions or validate your failed conclusion as I've predicted. You are pushing a dogma that you have no idea how it works. You pride yourself in dogma.



A scientific piece can be debunked, but a dogma nobody can ever debunk because you can't possibly prove it to be wrong or right scientifically. You just have to agree with it or be scolded severely.

When you remember the last time you are scolded, or the hell that await your next rebuttal, you will keep in line and never tryna do distrupt the apple pie order of the "status quo". That's the validation of dogma: indestructible.



Because you are not original in any of your claims, you are neither reading nor learning but lurking around. Hence nothing new is expected of you other than the usual. This thread is where you learn all you know.

There should be other historians with variant claim to yours, if you do research. You have to strike a balance and speak for them. Scholarship is when you entertain contrary opinion to your position.



I can show you a thread I made for the etymology of the eponymous name Igbo back in 2013 or so, which you stopped with your perfect hatred and registered this account to pretend to be Yoruba.

Hence, you are not honest about Yoruba Igbo or Edo connection of any sort, only passing remarks to feed your confidence in the context, in order to do what you must. The kwa is a means to an end.

You are an Igbo man. The truth is evidence in your clipback at Obalufon about the hatred the Igbo have for the Yoruba. You exhumed the same hatred at the very heat of the moment.

To me, that's the moment of truth that betrayed you or whatever you stand for. Your science is without humanity, you couldn't use the opportunity that his moment of honest truth offer you to foster love, harmony and scholarship.

You have nothing you are searching for other than hurt for the Yoruba ego because it means nothing to you. You are an insidious enemy pretending to be friend.

You cherish the package than what it contains. You are empty, insult is what you improvise to stay relevant and escape scrutiny. But it won't do everything for you.



This is the entirety of your purpose on this thread, it's all you want to get done at all cost.



Cite a source to your claim about owo and ego, oruka and olaaka, etc, as shown in the picture below, from the same book you copied the input in question.

Use the same opening to butress kwa linguistic family a bit as did this writer. I think you claim back then that I don't read. You that read should know better how things work in this regard.

In all this long rants the only thing that is clear is that you cannot debunk any of my points.

Again I will tell you why... Because I state facts, evidence based facts

No need for long rants if I wasn't stating facts, I would have been proven wrong a long time ago

Keep running helter-skelter

macof:


In all this long rants the only thing that is clear is that you cannot debunk any of my points.

Again I will tell you why... Because I state facts, evidence based facts

No need for long rants if I wasn't stating facts, I would have been proven wrong a long time ago

Keep running helter-skelter

You have been proven wrong many times a long time ago, but you are a self acclaimed "fact merchant". Whatever you state here Is the fact.

All hail the demigod, you are an oracle born, you saw everything you stated from your mother's womb. Facts followed you to this world.

Macof's Facts file

It's a fact that your academic status is in fact inconsequential. By that token, you are an inconsequential historian, that's the implication of one of your facts.

Everything you know comes from here. No idea who Robin Law is, no idea what he said about Oduduwa, no idea whom Professor Biobaku is, no idea his connection with Awo. And you are an historian, a Yoruba? LOL.

What is the fact in imagined green Sahara?
What is the fact in blackwashed the Bible?
What is the fact in Odiyan is not Odion?
What is the fact in your own findings?
What is the fact in oriki Eletu Odibo?
What is the fact in your Proper History
What is the fact in Igbo Yoruba history?
What is the fact in professor Akintoye's?
What is the fact in your only identity?
What is the fact in your education?
What is the fact in your own oriki?
What is the fact in your coffers?

These are the best things you contributed here, none of it is automatic, self motivated ideas but reactionary diversion, something to anchor your argument around but nothing to continue with.

These list would help you in the course of your research on the origin of the name Yoruba that's your future ambition across West Africa. I wish you good speed and good luck on your search.

Your future ambition is evidence that you already have all the facts, you just want to have fun, or you are a liar without direction pretending to be something you never was, to block the way of who will.

You are a mere stumbling block. Just answer yes and continue in your grandiose delution.

absoluteSuccess:


You have been proven wrong many times a long time ago, but you are a self acclaimed "fact merchant". Whatever you state here Is the fact.

All hail the demigod, you are an oracle born, you saw everything you stated from your mother's womb. Facts followed you to this world.

Macof's Facts file

It's a fact that your academic status is in fact inconsequential. By that token, you are an inconsequential historian, that's the implication of one of your facts.

Everything you know comes from here. No idea who Robin Law is, no idea what he said about Oduduwa, no idea whom Professor Biobaku is, no idea his connection with Awo. And you are an historian, a Yoruba? LOL.

What is the fact in imagined green Sahara?
What is the fact in blackwashed the Bible?
What is the fact in Odiyan is not Odion?
What is the fact in your own findings?
What is the fact in oriki Eletu Odibo?
What is the fact in your Proper History
What is the fact in Igbo Yoruba history?
What is the fact in professor Akintoye's?
What is the fact in your only identity?
What is the fact in your education?
What is the fact in your own oriki?
What is the fact in your coffers?

These are the best things you contributed here, none of it is automatic, self motivated ideas but reactionary diversion, something to anchor your argument around but nothing to continue with.

These list would help you in the course of your research on the origin of the name Yoruba that's your future ambition across West Africa. I wish you good speed and good luck on your search.

Your future ambition is evidence that you already have all the facts, you just want to have fun, or you are a liar without direction pretending to be something you never was, to block the way of who will.

You are a mere stumbling block. Just answer yes and continue in your grandiose delution.

More rants of a frustrated dog

Everything here I have addressed in previous pages. I will not do another back and forth

For you knowledge and life is not progressive but to keep running helter-skelter, back and forth.

Do one simple thing... Debunk any of my points as I have debunked most of yours (the ones I didn't debunk I just decided to ignore)

The True Yoruba

The true Yoruba are to be found in Europe. Today you call them the Caucasians. I’ll give you etymological proof.

1. There was a very troublesome town that was always fighting her neighbours. The Yoruba cast them out and they migrated to Europe. If you hear their name they are called ‘Fight’. In Yoruba, Ija ma ni. Today they are called Germany. Germany is actually Yoruba.

2. There was another town that strictly adhered to whatever Ifa tells them. The oracle instructed them to migrate to Europe. When they got there they were asked what they came for. They said ‘Ifa sent them’. Ifa ran sę. That is France today.

PastorAIO:
The True Yoruba

The true Yoruba are to be found in Europe. Today you call them the Caucasians. I’ll give you etymological proof.

1. There was a very troublesome town that was always fighting her neighbours. The Yoruba cast them out and they migrated to Europe. If you hear their name they are called ‘Fight’. In Yoruba, Ija ma ni. Today they are called Germany. Germany is actually Yoruba.

2. There was another town that strictly adhered to whatever Ifa tells them. The oracle instructed them to migrate to Europe. When they got there they were asked what they came for. They said ‘Ifa sent them’. Ifa ran sę. That is France today.