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Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by budaatum: 9:34pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Obligated? Someone is asking you to refuse to use your own well developed mind and just believe that God impregnated another man's wife? Show me them so I can join my boot and we can kick them together after we finish looking into your reasons for your weak feeling of obligation. Just one question. Do you see any relationship to what you say below? sonmvayina:Any impregnating there at all? sonmvayina:Let us get one thing straight. buda does not tell anyone to do what buda would never ever do. It is you who has not bothered to read the book. buda bothers and in it is it clearly written that believing is a thing demons do. See it written: www.nairaland.com/attachments/11663600_20200604102351774_jpeg_jpeg0a6707a5c919e2761327fab9920679aa As you can see, it makes one tremble in fear, and is not exactly worth emulating unless one intends to worship the opposite if God. You may read my view here on believing here. https://www.nairaland.com/5907043/why-dont-believe-everything-read#90363647 But I guess you never read the book before coming on here to tell us the book you never bothered to read is of no benefit. sonmvayina:So, "yiu just short ur brain down" and do not read a book but think you qualify to come on here and discuss the benefit of a book you never read? Can somebody here please confirm that sonmvayina has not been mentioning the content of a book he never read. sonmvayina:Some others answer: Improve it. www.nairaland.com/attachments/12117449_20200809145758252_jpeg_jpeg937a481dd9a596b8350dc6866c20baa8 Though I don't know why I bother since you never bothered reading the book. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by DappaD: 9:34pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
sonmvayina: This your own case I no understand sha. Carry on. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 9:42pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
All I want to see in the old testament is where God instructed people to give their life to the Messiah or believe in the death of the Messiah in other to be saved from a hell he created for his devil and his angels...... Or where he said the Messiah will be a demi God... I will believe.. If not why are you not researching on where the story came from..? |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:47pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
sonmvayina: I apologize Somvayina, Unexpected and unscheduled Problems Just rose up at work from yesterday and I am largely distracted trying to quell the fires, so I did not see your thread till now. Further, I am yet to settle the things I have learnt about you (the True things) because it is based on Truths that I would be able to approach you. Please forgive my delay, it is unavoidable for in my work, a stitch in time is Imperative! 1 Like |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 9:50pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
DappaD: It is like a story.. Or a movie.. That you watch, the characters and actors are all fictional.. But at the end of it.. You ask yourself what did I learn from that story or film.. Then somebody teaches you about it.. And you learn.. Let me give you an example.. You read about God killing Onan for failing to impregnate his brothers wife.. And spilling his seed.. What is it to learn from the story, what do you take from it.. Well, the story teaches us the dangers of pleasure without responsibility... Sex is the greatest pleasure known to man.. Or you watch a movie of Peter pan. And you realize the story is about friendship.. The story is not an eye witness story.. Or account.. I don't think the writers will want to bore you with a tale they never witness.. Think.. Think.. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 10:00pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
budaatum: Please can you show me where God said we should believe in the death of the Messiah in other to be saved from his wrath. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by DappaD: 10:06pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
sonmvayina:This philosophical view of yours is one of the major reasons you're in this mess. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by budaatum: 10:23pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Can you explain to me why I should bother to show you something that is not in a book that you have not bothered to read? Here. Read it. That way, when you talk about what is written in it we would all at least know you bothered to read it, and on top of that, you would sound informed and more knowledgeable. budaatum: |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:25pm On Aug 13, 2020 |
sonmvayina: I never concerned myself with the genealogy but "In Luke 3 the genealogy doesn't go through Solomon as required" why must it go through Solomon and not Nathan as Luke said? "and in Matthew 1 the genealogy is rejected because it goes though Jeconiah." Who is he that rejects it and has power to validly reject it? |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 9:19am On Aug 14, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: Read the passages.. God rejected him.. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 9:21am On Aug 14, 2020 |
budaatum: Just say there is none... So I can educate you where the Roman's got the idea from and why they super glued it to the Jewish scriptures.. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 9:25am On Aug 14, 2020 |
DappaD: But you are not providing a refutal.. Or deep inside you, you know I might be right.... The letter killeth, we are Gods just having a human experience... The holy books are about us... |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 10:15am On Aug 14, 2020 |
budaatum: I never said I have never read it, I said I have never owned one.. Big difference.. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by budaatum: 10:34am On Aug 14, 2020 |
sonmvayina:So who's copy did you read? |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by budaatum: 10:40am On Aug 14, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Did you not read I said there's nothing like that in the book? Note that you still have not answered my question and have never said if reading it made you less intelligent! Go on, where did the Roman's get the idea from and why they super glued it to the Jewish scriptures? 1 Like |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 11:08am On Aug 14, 2020 |
budaatum: My mum.. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 11:30am On Aug 14, 2020 |
budaatum: Judaism happens to be the national religion of the jews, this religion, Was created by Ezra after their Babylonian exile. Marduk told Cyrus to free all his captives. Ezra was asked to write the Torah and take it along to teach the jews.. Much of the stories in there were adaptation from the Babylonian epics.. Marduk is the creator of the universe hence he used king nebochadnezzer to bring his people to Babylon to learn about him..as nebochadnezzer was also his messiah.. Or annioted king.. Babylon was also the center of several cults and much of these was also taken along to Jerusalem. One of this cult is the cult of inanna or queen of heaven.. She is lucifer and morning star or venus.. When Rome became world power, the ceasers tried to consolidate and increase the empire and most of these wars had religious implications.. It was emperor Constantine who saw that religion was a big stumbling block in achieving domination gathered all the religious leaders in the empire to nicea to fashion a single religion for the empire. So many gods where tabled for consideration, after almost 2 years of deliberations they settled for Marduk... But in the Babylonian tales Marduk was the son of Enki.. So they had to find out the relationship between both.. Some said he was God, others said he was man.. So after much in other to satisfy both Athanasius said he was both God and man... A vote was taken and the majority carried the day.. Afterwards the nicean creed was drawn up and endorsed by all but 3 delegates.. Who declined. From the ancient Babylonian scriptures eusebius was commanded to prepare a uniform account. "make it to astonish.. Was emperor Constantine order and they where written accordingly.. So says eusebius in his history of the church... http://www.bobkwebsite.com/belmythvjesusmyth.html |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 11:42am On Aug 14, 2020 |
The Christian church/ catholic church was born... Eusebius more likely than not is the author of the gospel of Mark. Who scholars agree was the first to be written. Others where developed from it.. Afterwards, John crysostom edited the works of apollinius oftyna and passed them off as the letters of Paul.. None of those letters ever mention an earthly Jesus or any of the stories associated with him.. None. No angel visiting Mary, no 3 wise men.. Nothing.. They added it to the Jewish Tanakh because they wanted to say they are the new people of God.. Propaganda which has fuelled the anti semitism in the world up to this day.. Will send you unbiased scholarly articles for further reading. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by Blabbermouth: 11:48am On Aug 14, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Ohh my my my ... This is sweet! Tell me something; 1. Prophets and prophecy plays a principal role in Israel and a vital key to the Jews. Tell me something, why did prophecy end with Malachi? This is a big occurrence and if what you are saying were to be true, tell me where it was foretold (in the Torah) that prophecy would stop with Malachi. PS: I believe you do not know the role prophesy plays and the key role that a prophet play... Else, you would have known that Moses, Joshua, Isaiah and co. Kind of prophets will only stop under a single but significant condition. 2. Newsflash! That same Jesus you failed to believe existed prophesied that the temple will be destroyed.. Newsflash! The Order of worship in the Old testament style is not complete without the temple and the ark of covenant. 3. Don't you see already?! Those things (ark, veil, temple and co.) are nowhere to be found after the C.E... Why? When a better temple is built there is no need for an ineffective temple anymore. You won't see those things in Israel anymore because they have served their purpose and no longer significant. Summary: The C.E (real or imaginary) wroughted many notable occurrences that strongly indicated that someone called Jesus of Nazareth was real. Of these were... 1. Closing up of Prophethood after the order of Moses, Joshua, Elijah and the Likes. 2. A foreseeing that the temple will be destroyed completely... As it has been rendered practically useless. 3. Sacred items that are paramount in the Old testament worship are nowhere to be found. Sir, Jesus did exist. Not only that, he was the messiah. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by budaatum: 12:19pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
Sonmvayina, you have acquired a lot of facts and think what you know is everything but you have not yet begun to develop understanding of what you know and therefore have quite a lot to learn. There is nothing you wrote below that has not been written a hundred times on NL so I can't see why you'd think you are the first to inform us that Euseubius (260AD-340) wrote a history. I bet you haven't got a copy of it. Read below what modern scholarship makes of him, and remind yourself how many years after Christ he was writing his subjective biased history and let us know how it informs your reasoning. The question you fail to ask, however is, Why? As in why would all those people you mentioned go to all that bother to place this one book in your hands? Are you reaping no benefit from the Word of God that you read? budaatum: sonmvayina: |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by budaatum: 12:32pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
sonmvayina:The person who gave you life and loves you the most on this cruel earth gave you a copy of probably the only book she had and very likely the biggest, which she likely read to you from when you were inside her womb and long after you were born and taught you to read yourself, and because you cannot see how it has benefitted others who read it "But yiu just short ur brain down" and can not be bothered? Bothered to believe or understand, since we've established you read it, or does the difference not matter? kkins25: |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 1:16pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: LOL.. Very very funny.. Do you really know what messiah mean? You think God made a mistake.. I pity you.. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 1:31pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
budaatum: Maybe you don't understand the purpose of this thread yet.. Let me remind you.. I am saying without all conviction that there was never any need for the Jesus story as God has already provided everything in the Tanakh.. They Jesus is a Roman creation..i am not an atheist. I just obey God's laws as contained in our omenani or Torah.. And leave my life.. Because at the end of the day.. My body will be committed to mother earth and my spirit back to God, because he gave it... I am yet to find how Jesus fits into all these..? |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 1:32pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Did God ever say we must worship or go through the Messiah to get to him?.. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by Dtruthspeaker: 1:38pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
sonmvayina: I have reviewed the following passages you supplied sonmvayina: And they are about prophecies, not Proof as you said "God rejected him." I asked to the effect, if you have Biblical Proof exhibiting "God's Rejection" of the Lineages of Christ Provided either in Luke or in Mathew, which you have not supplied. So now you have 3 questions to Answer Dtruthspeaker:Do you think you can supply irrefutable Biblical Evidence to back up your assertion? |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 4:12pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: Messiah means anmoited king.. Anointed with a special oil for that purpose.. God promised Solomon that the kingship will not depart from his lineage... Who anointed Jesus as king? |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by Nobody: 4:20pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
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Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by Dtruthspeaker: 4:41pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
sonmvayina: So now we all can see that you are spilling much Unfounded shits! And all your beliefs and Propositions are completely baseless and the Fabrication of Wicked False Accusations. Your heart and soul is screwed therefore everything about you Must be Screwed, including your interpretations of events (I am not insulting you, only making known my observations of you) You are exactly like a sars and policemen who Only See Criminals and Crimes, suspicious of every scenario and they can never see the things that are Bonafide! Do you work in any of these "See Only Wickedness Organisations like the Police or Security Outfits? If you do not work in any of these organisations, then it is because you are indeed a Wicked Person for it is the Law "As A Man is, So he thinketh" (I just reversed the Statement of Law) And this what the Bible refers to as "An Evil Eye" or "thine heart (soul) is evil" This is the first I was facing with you which I now understand. The Bible Is Always Honest, Bonafide (Written in Good Conscience and Good Faith) and Verified Truths not fabricated as your Propositions and your False Accusation. So now that this is Settled, I would Present what I found and verified and solidly backed by Scriptures, to be Honest and True. No Fabrications, No Conjurings, just Plain Natural Truths And Law! |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 4:44pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
Heartlessbanker: LOL, that is baptism.. It is the priest that anoint a king with oil, just as Samuel did to Saul.... |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by sonmvayina(m): 4:48pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: Is there anywhere in the old testament where God instructed us to give our life to the Messiah or believe in the death of the Messiah in other to be saved from his wrath.. That is the bone of contention.. If there is any point it out, I will follow you.. God never said the Messiah will be a sin sacrifice, if you think he did, point it out.. No long story.. |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by Dtruthspeaker: 5:03pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
sonmvayina: Sorry friend, with you it is must be a long story. There is no shortcuts, for you have a million issus with the Bible which you have not disclose but this is the issue you want addressed. Meanwhile the Belief in Christ Jesus is dependent on your Belief that the Bible has told you the Truth and tells you the Truth Always. But you have already Confessed That You Do Not Believe that The Stories in the Bible are True, how then can I proceed to Almost the End of the Bible, which you do not believe, to convince you of the Truth of it? sonmvayina: No, son, it is not possible. We have answer your disbelief at the beginning of the Bible before we proceed to the end of it. No child learnt to do Simultaneous Equations before Knowing to Count 1,2,3,... |
Re: Jesus And The New Testament : A Closer Look. by Dtruthspeaker: 5:08pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
sonmvayina: See for instance, your view on the Onan Story how incorrect and inaccurate it is. If you got this little simple story wrong, how then can you comprehend and understand how Christ Jesus is the Messiah? Most Surely, it shall be impossible for you! It is my respectful opinion, that you do not believe that the Bible is Indeed saying the Truth, which is Your Major Problem Already, beyond, Christ, the Holy Son of the Most High God! sonmvayina: And this is your True Problem with us Followers of God and Lovers of His Holy Son Jesus, the Christ Messiah! |
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