MinorityOpinion:
Reason why I refuse to engage here is why a party is doing sleepless nights research pulling his point together and proving what the other parties have been arguing about in almost 25 pages of NL, he unraveled it in 1 page. This party solved the mistery of Ogane to extent of obvious correct facts and backing it up with histories documented by the Binis and the white European researchers.

The other party couldn't put up one article with authentic source that prove Nri was the Ogane, even the other igbo clans consider the Nri worthless. That shameless party did all they can to sidetrack after the pathetic defeat by mentioning the Dahomey, Ijebu Iworis that was not part of the discussions, the leader of the shameless party went far by quoting several Shakespeare quotes when he was overwhelmed with facts and fact.

Then when anything about Ife, their tiny Nri **** will rise up and pick only the negative part ignoring the write up to educate them on what they know nothing about.

I don't engage in shameless and intelligent rants, I will say it for the last time Ife is not you f.ucking mate and Ogane is Ooni of Ife. Bye.

Lol. Notice the poor Nri boy exposing his ignorance about the fact of what Yorubas believe for centuries.

Maybe someone should inform poor Nri boy that all Yorubas know about Ife Oodaye, Ife Ooyelagba and all the earlier Ifes as widely discussed in Yoruba tradition. Again, in case he is still confused, can someone remind Omo Nri that these Yoruba accounts state clearly and emphatically that all the people (including his Nri, Aro and all Igbo people) came from this first Ife of the Yorubas —- A region from where till date we still find the name Ife to be much present, the kingship title Onu, and the deity Olojo.

He must have be deceiving only himself now that he has stumbled upon a gold mine just to keep up appearances. I am now not surprised as to why no historian give regards to Igbo history and culture.

Now to the more important thing: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980 — Please guys how do I inform the supermods that I just posted a comment now with my TAO11 account (purely on history) but spambot didn’t allow it??

I don’t want the comment get lost just like that. It is a continuation of my earlier comment about the dispersal of SoutherNigerians from a common region in the Niger-Benue confluence and above.

Please guys help do something to retrieve it I beg of you all. I posted it with my TAO11 account just now.

Thanks.

gwafaeziokwu:


You entered the mud instead of facing the facts as stated.

Do Yorubas pray over kolanuts? Is it the first thing provided to a visitor even in your ooni palaces. Do you bless the kolanut like Igbos and Benin. If not then my point is valid.

Note, no Igbo man is dragging Benin culture with you shameless lots. Serious researchers are open minded to new possibilities. Africa need to tell their stories and facts should be laid bare.


Our history predates anything Yoruba. Our civilisation is hundreds of years older than yours. It was also worth guarding with all our strength. That is why we fought the colonialists for more than 13 years in order to protect it. The Benin and even Hausas also fought to be left alone. But you surrendered yours at the sight of the British, showing it was not worth it. You guys were killing each other like rams. There was no conflict resolution mechanism set in place in your society. Your were the only tribe that surrendered their heritage without firing a single shot!

Gwafaezioku shut your mouth. Shut your freaking mouth.
There is a reason Lagos and Yoruba was the only colony in Nigeria, everything else is a protectorate.

In UK there are memorial stones that immortalize Royal Navy sailors and officers to lost to war in Lagos.

There is nowhere we find any record of Ibo fighting British. Your women rioted over taxation. Thats not war against invasion. Infact, Britain did not invade you. Royal Niger Company, today it is called UAC, occupied and took your land. A set of merchants took your land without a single struggle. After they sold you to British Authority, you became a part of Oil protectorate. We have records of what happened in Yorubaland. Read it and discover Yoruba gallantry.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/180667&ved=2ahUKEwjMmqPHqaDrAhXE1VkKHSV3AnYQFjAEegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0FYYKjqXnGc0eucN5FvVdt

TAO12:
Lol. Notice the poor Nri boy exposing his ignorance about the fact of what Yorubas believe for centuries.

Maybe someone should inform poor Nri boy that all Yorubas know about Ife Oodaye, Ife Ooyelagba and all the earlier Ifes as widely discussed in Yoruba tradition. Again, in case he is still confused, can someone remind Omo Nri that these Yoruba accounts state clearly and emphatically that all the people (including your Nri, Aro and all Igbo people) came from this first Ife of the Yorubas. A region from we still find the name Ife to be much present, the kingship title Onu, and the deity Olojo.

He must be thinking now that he has stumbled upon a gold mine. I am now not surprised as to why no historian give regards to Igbo history and culture.

Now to the more important thing: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980 — Please guys how do I inform the supermods that I just posted a comment now with my TAO11 account (purely on history) but spambot didn’t allow it??

I don’t want the comment get lost just like that. It is a continuation of my earlier comment about the dispersal of SoutherNigerians from a common region in the Niger-Benue confluence and above.

Please guys help do something to retrieve it I beg of you all. I posted it with my TAO11 account just now.

Thanks.

Report to the supermod on the main page, they will release it but the trouble is if another person quote the 'released' post, spam bot will ban them too, even the OP will not be spared if he quote the 'released' post.

I want NL mods to fix this problem.

MinorityOpinion:


Report to the supermod on the main page, they will release it but the trouble is if another person quote the 'released' post, spam bot will ban them too, even the OP will not be spared if he quote the 'released' post.

I want NL mods to fix this problem.

Thanks so much. But I am not sure how the reporting thing work. Can it you possibly do it on my behalf. Please.

And if it’s released, I will have to put at its top stating clearly that quoting the comment will lead to spambot issue.

Thanks.

TAO12:


Thanks so much. But I am not sure how the reporting thing work. Can it you possibly do it on my behalf. Please.

And if it’s released, I will have to put at its top stating clearly that quoting the comment will lead to spambot issue.

Thanks.

Quoting or modifying the 'released' post will get you banned again, I have witnessed it bro, it is annoying.

CLICK on mail the super mods on the home page, make the topic explicit that a spam bot banned you, write the report and submit, your account will be released 2hrs max

SORRY ITS ONLY THE OWNER OF THE ACCOUNT THAT CAN REPORT.

[b]

MinorityOpinion:
Reason why I refuse to engage here is while a party is doing sleepless night researches putting his point together and proving what the other parties have been arguing about in almost 25 pages of NL, he unraveled it in 1 page. This party solved the mistery of Ogane to extent of convincing sane neutral minds and backing it up with histories documented by the Binis and the white European researchers.

The other party couldn't put up one article with authentic source that prove Nri was the Ogane, even the other igbo clans consider the Nri worthless. That shameless party did all they can to sidetrack after the pathetic defeat by mentioning the Dahomey, Ijebu Iworis that was not part of the discussions, the leader of the shameless party went far by quoting several Shakespeare quotes when he was overwhelmed with facts and facts.

Then when TAO11 say anything about Ife, their tiny Nri **** will rise up and pick only the part that is amusing to them ignoring the write up was to educate them on what they know nothing about.

I don't engage in shameless and Unintelligent rants, I will say it for the last time Ife is not your f.ucking mate and Ogane is Ooni of Ife. Bye.

So this balderdash is your contribution to the thread?

For your information Tao has conceded that modern Ile Ife is fake and was replicated from a much more ancient kingdom in modern day kogi state and that Oduduwa didn't crash from the sky

Stay tuned, more revelations coming tonight!!

TAO12:
Lol. Notice the poor Nri boy exposing his ignorance about the fact of what Yorubas believe for centuries.

Maybe someone should inform poor Nri boy that all Yorubas know about Ife Oodaye, Ife Ooyelagba and all the earlier Ifes as widely discussed in Yoruba tradition. Again, in case he is still confused, can someone remind Omo Nri that these Yoruba accounts state clearly and emphatically that all the people (including his Nri, Aro and all Igbo people) came from this first Ife of the Yorubas —- A region from where till date we still find the name Ife to be much present, the kingship title Onu, and the deity Olojo.

He must have be deceiving only himself now that he has stumbled upon a gold mine just to keep up appearances. I am now not surprised as to why no historian give regards to Igbo history and culture.

Now to the more important thing: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980 — Please guys how do I inform the supermods that I just posted a comment now with my TAO11 account (purely on history) but spambot didn’t allow it??

I don’t want the comment get lost just like that. It is a continuation of my earlier comment about the dispersal of SoutherNigerians from a common region in the Niger-Benue confluence and above.

Please guys help do something to retrieve it I beg of you all. I posted it with my TAO11 account just now.

Thanks.

Tao the fraud keeps shifting our goal post

I finally forced Tao the Fraud to admit that ile Ife is not the cradle of Yoruba civilization and that it derived from a more ancient kingdom across the Niger

Tao your modern day Ile Ife is a fake version of a proto-igbo kingdom that existed around the confluence of the Niger-benue around 6000 years ago, This is a know truth and I will spend the night re-programming your brainwashed head

According to Hartle (7 Hartle D.D.. Archaeology in Eastern Nigeria. In: Nigeria Magazine, No. 93, June 1967) who said that
“Archaeology indicates that the Igbo were in occupation of parts of south-eastern
Nigeria by 2000 – 3000 BC.

In tracing the origin of the Igbo people, there have been four archaeological
findings – the Ugwuele, Afikpo, Nsukka and Igbo-Ukwu which have become more
relevant. These sites have produced abundant and scientific evidence of the fact that
at least between 2,000 BC and 5,000 BC, man has started his cultural drama in
what is referred to as “the theatre of Igbo land12. Thus, archaeological evidence
shows that the Igbo man of today has undergone cultural evolutionary
transformations from the African late Stone Age through the Neolithic and Metal
Age to Contemporary Time (13 ibid. pp. 10-11.)

Also according to Afigbo Afigbo (A.E., Ropes of Sand: “Studies in Igbo History and Culture. Oxford; Oxford University Press, 1081, p.7) unstable climate changes that commenced in the whole of Africa
between 3,000 and 2,000 BC had far-reaching effect in the whole area. However, in
the theatre of Igbo culture area, the Igbo-speaking people seem to be concentrated in
the Nsukka-Okigwe-Afikpo triangle. It is the view of the linguists that from the
distribution and alignment of the languages in the Kwa sub-group of the Niger-
Congo family , it is most likely that this sub-group separated in the region of the
Niger-Benue confluence.

TAO12:


Thanks so much. But I am not sure how the reporting thing work. Can it you possibly do it on my behalf. Please.

And if it’s released, I will have to put at its top stating clearly that quoting the comment will lead to spambot issue.

Thanks.

When anti spam bot ban you, there are two bans associated with it.

1. You’re banned from commenting totally on any section
2. You’re banned from commenting on the section of the topic you posted in (Culture section) in this scenario.

For the 1:
You will be unbanned automatically in few hours. but you won’t be able to comment on the Culture section and can only comment on other section.

For the 2:
You get unbanned after 24 hours by itself but your comment might be lost. So it’s better you mail the mods moderating the culture section for them to unban you before the 24hrs and restore your post.

The mods moderating culture sections are Odumchi, Bigfrancis21, and Fulaman198.

I think you can just mail the mods and notify them of the issue and tell them to unban you.

LegendHero:


When anti spam bot ban you, there are two bans associated with it.

1. You’re banned from commenting totally on any section
2. You’re banned from commenting on the section of the topic you posted in (Culture section) in this scenario.

For the 1:
You will be unbanned automatically in few hours. but you won’t be able to comment on the Culture section and can only comment on other section.

For the 2:
You get unbanned after 24 hours by itself but your comment might be lost. So it’s better you mail the mods moderating the culture section for them to unban you before the 24hrs and restore your post.

The mods moderating culture sections are Odumchi, Bigfrancis21, and Fulaman198.

I think you can just mail the mods and notify them of the issue and tell them to unban you.

The ban is expected, when he was indiscriminately editing and re-editing all his posts how did you think it will end?

Hellraiser77:
[b] So this balderdash is your contribution to the thread?

For your information Tao has conceded that modern Ile Ife is fake and was replicated from a much more ancient kingdom in modern day kogi state and that Oduduwa didn't crash from the sky

Stay tuned, more revelations coming tonight!!

TAO11 have already proved the Ogane is Ooni of Ife, I wonder what else you want. Ile Ife Origin story that TAO12 used was hypothesis if only you are familiar with the term.

I know it hard to accept defeat but disgracing oneself is much worse. The thread is about ogane and you've been defeated even Christian and Muslim believed in angels, if that one is possible to you and reject this one then you are an hypocrite, mention one thing that Nri kingdom achieve in igboland?

BabaRamota1980:

Gwafaezioku shut your mouth. Shut your freaking mouth.
There is a reason Lagos and Yoruba was the only colony in Nigeria, everything else is a protectorate.

In UK there are memorial stones that immortalize Royal Navy sailors and officers to lost to war in Lagos.

There is nowhere we find any record of Ibo fighting British. Your women rioted over taxation. Thats not war against invasion. Infact, Britain did not invade you. Royal Niger Company, today it is called UAC, occupied and took your land. A set of merchants took your land without a single struggle. After they sold you to British Authority, you became a part of Oil protectorate. We have records of what happened in Yorubaland. Read it and discover Yoruba gallantry.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/180667&ved=2ahUKEwjMmqPHqaDrAhXE1VkKHSV3AnYQFjAEegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0FYYKjqXnGc0eucN5FvVdt

Babaramotu the half illiterate does not know about The Anglo-Aro wars, Neither does he know about the Ekumeku wars

https://www.google.com/amp/s/oblongmedia.net/2017/11/02/the-nature-of-the-british-conquest-of-igbo-land-compiled-by-senator-iroegbu/amp/

Babaramotu should read up historical accounts of the difficulty faced by the British in having to conquer clans after clans of decentralised igbo societies.

Babaramotu does not know about the utter stubborness of EzeNri Obalike for nearly 15 years in surrendering his authority not until he was threatened with genocide Against his people did he give in and signed their treaty

MinorityOpinion:


TAO11 have already proved the Ogane is Ooni of Ife, I wonder what else you want. Ile Ife Origin story that TAO12 used was hypothesis if only you are familiar with the term.

I know it hard to accept defeat but disgracing oneself is much worse. The thread is about ogane and you've been defeated even Christian and Muslim believed in angels, if that one is possible to you and reject this one then you are an hypocrite, mention one thing that Nri kingdom achieve in igboland?

Now it has turned to Full blown Wailing and crying

Corrections
1-This thread is not about Ogane, please wear your glasses and read the topic again

2-Tao the fraud repeatedly denied That Ile Ife was preceded by any other thing not until I forced him to acknowledge Ile Ife is just a replica of a proto-igbo settlement call Ife (Daylight in Igbo language) that existed close to the Niger-benue confluence in modern day kogi state

I will bury Tao the fraud tonight and force him to see that Ile ife and by extension yoruba people are like kids that recently broke out from an ancient Igbo group

TAO12:
If lying to yourself helps you sleep tonight, then keep it up omo Nri.

However, he could read by himself, and even you know this considering the fact that you’ve been quoting him.

And guess what, he did read the piece and he greatly appreciated the historical information presented therein to the effect that the Yoruba people fanned out from their first homeland — Ife around the Niger-Benue confluence.

They moved southwards and westwards to occupy the generally virgin regions one of which retains the name of their initial settlement — Ife.

The 1969 Paul Ozanne preliminary archaeological survey of this newer Ife which these Yoruba groups came to settle is found to be having [b]many settlements flourishing in it by circa 400 BCE.

From about 900 CE, the present day Ife emerged as a the first power and foremost civilization in the Guinea forest.

Several kingdom-founding migrations thus fanned our from this Ife to other parts of Yorubaland (and beyond) to establish monarchical civilizations amongst the different autochthonous Yoruba groups (and some non-Yoruba groups) in the region — including among the Yorubas of the Niger-Benue region from where they all left.

It is to this kingdom-founding migrations that the different Yoruba traditional accounts refer when they speak of the present-day Ife as their cradle.

the first civilization amongst others in the new region and it was this present-day Ife that several kingdom-founding migrations fanned out to establish kingdoms among the other

Oduduwa, on the hand, is a 1000 CE influential Yoruba figure who played a very significant role in the transformation of Yoruba civilization. He became deified after his life and his name got incorporated into ancient pre-existing Yoruba mythology.
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Listen up lad, you appear to be so immersed in ignorance and insecurities that I will have to expend several years of uninterrupted tuition and psychological therapy on you to lift you out from complete drowning and cause you to dwell among humans. I don’t such free years to waste on a very likely failure.

cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980

I understand the heavy burden placed upon you and the constant need to sound smart to maintain the fake image

Tao the fraud has abandoned his claim of Ile Ife as the source of all Ethnicities, you have now choosen to narrow it down to the being the source of only the yoruba ethnic group ... Well I'm sorry to tell you that you are still wrong Yoruba people were leaving the Niger-benue Benue confluence in waves that spanned centuries, Also During the influx of yoruba into modern Ife they met a sub-group of Igbo people that had left the Niger-benue confluence area much earlier, probably upto 3000 years earlier your Ooni Affirmed this fact, read up his press release

Also it's worthy to note that the early culture that birthed the Kwa group of languages which Igbo,igala
and yoruba belong to spoke a proto-Igbo language, Yoruba has since deviated very far from this language notably by dropping double consonants such as "Kw" then "Ch" , "Nw" "Gw" and "GH" also missing in the Yoruba lexicon is "V" and "Z" sounds it's rather interesting to note that igala whom are regarded as yoruba close cousins preserve All this consonants, leading linguistic experts and Anthropologists to conclude that Yoruba is an over simplified and very recent language compared to others in its Kwa sub-group

According to Anthropological evidence based on glottochronology

puts the date of the emergence of the modern spoken Igbo language from the proto-igbo
languages at about 6,000 BC and Lexicostatistics which suggests the relative degree
of differences of varieties of Igbo languages spoken today (16 Afigbo, A.E., Ropes of Sand: “Studies in Igbo History and Culture. Oxford; Oxford University Press, 1081, p.7)

Hellraiser77:
Babaramotu the half illiterate does not know about The Anglo-Aro wars, Neither does he know about the Ekumeku wars

https://www.google.com/amp/s/oblongmedia.net/2017/11/02/the-nature-of-the-british-conquest-of-igbo-land-compiled-by-senator-iroegbu/amp/

Babaramotu should read up historical accounts of the difficulty faced by the British in having to conquer clans after clans of decentralised igbo societies.

Babaramotu does not know about the utter stubborness of EzeNri Obalike for nearly 15 years in surrendering his authority not until he was threatened with genocide Against his people did he give in and signed their treaty

You still havent answered my question. Will you address your ohanaeze and call them illiterates?

BabaRamota1980:


You still havent answered my question. Will you address your ohanaeze and call them illiterates?

But you are not Ohaneze, you are Babaramotu the primary 2 dropout

Hellraiser77:
But you are not Ohaneze, you are Babaramotu the primary 2 dropout

You call me dropout, you call me illiterate but you have attempted the same question three times and failed it.

So i ask again, will you call your ohanaeze illiterates?

BabaRamota1980:


You call me dropout, you call me illiterate but you have attempted the same question three times and failed it.

So i ask again, will you call your ohanaeze illiterates?

William Blake once said

MinorityOpinion:


Your tribe have no history without attaching yourselves to other tribes like a parasite, the purpose of this thread is 'ogane' who is Ooni of Ife, if you want to talk about your imaginary poto-igbo garbage, open a new thread! I'm sick of you taking everything as a joke. Open a new thread and tag all of us.

Why you Wailing so much?

1:Contrary to your insinuations Igbo history is strong and it spans millennias, Yoruba truly can't explain their early history with factoring in the igbos

2:You have clearly lost touch with reality, this thread was never about Ogane, Please read the title and the the Original post

3:As a matter of fact you clearly shouldn't be here in the first place cos this thread was for igbos to have an open minded discussion about their early history, what is your business on this thread?

Your Ooni is his press release screenshoted below, aknowledge The presence of Igbos and Igbo influence in Ile Ife history

See you tomorrow... Cheers

Tao11 I see you viewing our topic, be sure to leave something for me to wake up to

BabaRamota1980:

Gwafaezioku shut your mouth. Shut your freaking mouth.
There is a reason Lagos and Yoruba was the only colony in Nigeria, everything else is a protectorate.

In UK there are memorial stones that immortalize Royal Navy sailors and officers to lost to war in Lagos.

There is nowhere we find any record of Ibo fighting British. Your women rioted over taxation. Thats not war against invasion. Infact, Britain did not invade you. Royal Niger Company, today it is called UAC, occupied and took your land. A set of merchants took your land without a single struggle. After they sold you to British Authority, you became a part of Oil protectorate. We have records of what happened in Yorubaland. Read it and discover Yoruba gallantry.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/180667&ved=2ahUKEwjMmqPHqaDrAhXE1VkKHSV3AnYQFjAEegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0FYYKjqXnGc0eucN5FvVdt

Babaramota, I understand your rage. I will be mad too if I have such a pitiful history.

I warned you not to enter gutter but you did. In my place, when a deity starts misbehaving, it will be shown the wood from which it was carved.

Oya read below. Yorubas were all over the place. No organisation. Every one want to rule the order. No harmony, no peace for the better part of a century, you guys were hunting each other down like dogs. Such that at the first sight of the British, you guys ran and knelt down in total submission to be saved from your savage selves.

You signed off Yoruba independence without firing a single shot. All your savage clans and their rogue kings surrendered the same day! That is world record honestly.

Tao11
Legendhero
Minorityopinion

Guys, I believe the points that Benin is a Yoruba dynasty has already been established beyond any reasonable doubts, in scholarship work, in traditions, in culture and in politics.

It is beneath us at this point to drag forward with an unknown Nri.

If Benin themselves do not see it a point to refute the Nri and Ibo claim of superiority over them, we should not prove beyond what is already established. Afterall Yoruba has never been occupied by Ibo and they do not intend under Ipob and Biafra to enter any Yoruba state. We should not push any more past this point.

You guys have done great and wonderful job! The history of Benin can never be rewritten, Never! Not as long as an Oba dynasty sits on throne.

Lets conclude and go face more pressing issues that we need to guard and preserve for Yoruba future. 2023!

BabaRamota1980:
Tao11
Legendhero
Minorityopinion

Guys, I believe the points that Benin is a Yoruba dynasty has already been established beyond any reasonable doubts, in scholarship work, in traditions, in culture and in politics.

It is beneath us at this point to drag forward with an unknown Nri.

If Benin themselves do not see it a point to refute the Nri and Ibo claim of superiority over them, we should not prove beyond what is already established. Afterall Yoruba has never been occupied by Ibo and they do not intend under Ipob and Biafra to enter any Yoruba state. We should not push any more past this point.

You guys have done great and wonderful job! The history of Benin can never be rewritten, Never! Not as long as an Oba dynasty sits on throne.

Lets conclude and go face more pressing issues that we need to guard and preserve for Yoruba future. 2023!

Afa

U never still talk the origin of oduduwa ooo

Hellraiser77

gwafaeziokwu:





Babaramota, I understand your rage. I will be mad too if I have such a pitiful history.

I warned you not to enter gutter but you did. In my place, when a deity starts misbehaving, it will be shown the wood from which it was carved.

Oya read below. Yorubas were all over the place. No organisation. Every one want to rule the order. No harmony, no peace for the better part of a century, you guys were hunting each other down like dogs. Such that at the first sight of the British, you guys ran and knelt down in total submission to be saved from your savage selves.

You signed off Yoruba independence without firing a single shot. All your savage clans and their rogue kings surrendered the same day! That is world record honestly.

Gwafaeziokwu,
Someone asked why Yorubas tag each other in discussions and I replied its because we have experts in different areas and so we tag one another to stay consistent.

The issue of bombardment of Lagos and colony is my expertise. Do me a favor, open a new thread with that subject and cc me. You will not be dissapointed in my engagement, trust me.

Etinosa1234:


Afa

U never still talk the origin of oduduwa ooo

Hellraiser77

Etinosa, all that is in history books. We have talked about it plenty times and Tao has been exceptionally outstanding. What more are you looking for? Yoruba is done on this thread.

MinorityOpinion:


Your tribe have no history without attaching yourselves to other tribes like a parasite, the purpose of this thread is 'ogane' who is Ooni of Ife, if you want to talk about your imaginary poto-igbo garbage, open a new thread! I'm sick of you taking everything as a joke. Open a new thread and tag all of us.

Small boy, you are no longer from south south? I told you will soon burn out and my prediction didn't even reach six months. Now you are back to your true self. Elders like us can spot chameleons from several kilometers.

It's good that you came out clean but you still need to work on your comprehension ability. This thread was never about Ogane. It even have nothing to do Yorubas. I expected the Benin guys to be the ones throwing tantrums on this thread, instead it is the usual suspects answering to a call not directed towards them.

This thread only tries to explore a possibility that igbo history as we know it be digged more in order to connect so many dots. It is impossible for a people to finish knowing about what happened to their forebears thousand years ago,especially in the absence of any written work. Egyptians are still excavating and consequently unearthing their glorious past. If Yorubas have accepted the white man history whole heartedly then no wahala. Allow Igbos to explore more and learn about themselves.

If in the course of learning, a new finding points to the direction of other cultures so be it. But it is pure stupidity not to know without being told that all the cultures in southern Nigeria intermingled at one point or the other.

BabaRamota1980:


Etinosa, all that is in history books. We have talked about it plenty times and Tao has been exceptionally outstanding. What more are you looking for? Yoruba is done on this thread.

Lol U guys said nothing

Y’all have many myths abt oduduwa that u don’t know which is true

Hellraiser77 abeg wey dat article wey another Yoruba historian talk another myth

Hellraiser77:
Tao the fraud keeps shifting our goal post

I finally forced Tao the Fraud to admit that ile Ife is not the cradle of Yoruba civilization and that it derived from a more ancient kingdom across the Niger

Tao your modern day Ile Ife is a fake version of a proto-igbo kingdom that existed around the confluence of the Niger-benue around 6000 years ago, This is a know truth and I will spend the night re-programming your brainwashed head

According to Hartle (7 Hartle D.D.. Archaeology in Eastern Nigeria. In: Nigeria Magazine, No. 93, June 1967) who said that
“Archaeology indicates that the Igbo were in occupation of parts of south-eastern
Nigeria by 2000 – 3000 BC.

In tracing the origin of the Igbo people, there have been four archaeological
findings – the Ugwuele, Afikpo, Nsukka and Igbo-Ukwu which have become more
relevant. These sites have produced abundant and scientific evidence of the fact that
at least between 2,000 BC and 5,000 BC, man has started his cultural drama in
what is referred to as “the theatre of Igbo land12. Thus, archaeological evidence
shows that the Igbo man of today has undergone cultural evolutionary
transformations from the African late Stone Age through the Neolithic and Metal
Age to Contemporary Time (13 ibid. pp. 10-11.)

Also according to Afigbo Afigbo (A.E., Ropes of Sand: “Studies in Igbo History and Culture. Oxford; Oxford University Press, 1081, p.7) unstable climate changes that commenced in the whole of Africa
between 3,000 and 2,000 BC had far-reaching effect in the whole area. However, in
the theatre of Igbo culture area, the Igbo-speaking people seem to be concentrated in
the Nsukka-Okigwe-Afikpo triangle. It is the view of the linguists that from the
distribution and alignment of the languages in the Kwa sub-group of the Niger-
Congo family , it is most likely that this sub-group separated in the region of the
Niger-Benue confluence.

Your don follow this guy so tey , oga begin open confession.

BabaRamota1980:


Gwafaeziokwu,
Someone asked why Yorubas tag each other in discussions and I replied its because we have experts in different areas and so we tag one another to stay consistent.

The issue of bombardment of Lagos and colony is my expertise. Do me a favor, open a new thread with that subject and cc me. You will not be dissapointed in my engagement, trust me.

You tag each other because herd mentality is your thing and you guys confuse it with unity. In the end it is lack of self confidence. When left alone in the same turf, the century long Yoruba wars and the wild wild west scenario of 1960s will be repeated.

Consistency? I have read many versions of Oduduwa and Ife from you guys that I don't even know which to believe. I have also read so many different version of your link to the Benin kingdom. All of them sound like fable.

Before we talk further about how yorubas surrendered their sovereignty without a fight, I know you read the attached document. Is it true or false?

TAO11:
Even Igbos too?? Hehehe! God is wonderful.

Everyone somehow need Oduduwa to validate their culture. Who no like better thing?

Lots and lots of ignorance being pumped in here. Touching on only two of the misinformation here, viz. (1)Igbo-Ukwu bronzes and (2)The Ogane who resides in the “east”:

(1) The archaeologist who worked on the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ was Professor Thurstan Shaw.

Due to his work in the years 1959-60, the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ is still thought, among common folks, to pre-date the Ife ‘bronzes’. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Such assumptions among common folks are terribly mistaken because the early dates initially associated with the Igbo-Ukwu 'bronzes' are now regarding as misleading by experts — including Professor Thurstan Shaw himself.

At the minimum, the radio-carbon dates initially attributed to the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ are now noted to be due to erroneous exaggeration, and are therefore not absolute, not final, and not conclusive.

To quote the words of Professor Thurstan Shaw himself in a later publication in relation to the Igbo-Ukwu artefacts, he sums up and concludes as follows:

“SUMMARY: In the discussion of the reliance which should be placed on the Igbo-Ukwu radiocarbon dates, it is necessary to make certain that what evidence we have is correctly used. The precise locations of the samples used for dating are recalled and possible sources of error discussed. Consideration is given to the arguments for a date later than that suggested by the radiocarbon dates, stemming from the state of preservation of the textiles, the character of the beads, the pottery evidence, analogies with the presumed dating of Ife and Benin, the quantity and the source of the copper, and what is known of pre-European trading patterns in West Africa. The latter is probably the most serious objection to a very early date, but the question will only be settled with the acquisition of more archaeological evidence.”

Reference: Thurstan Shaw, “Those Igbo-Ukwu Radiocarbon Dates: Facts, Fictions and Probabilities”, The Journal of African History, Vol. 16, No. 4, (1975), p.517.

Furthermore and in relation to the foregoing, I should clarify and caution that the phrase: the earliest date obtained from the dated Ife ‘bronzes‘ is not one and the same thing as the phrase: the earliest date possibly obtainable from any of the not-yet-dated Ife ‘bronzes’.

This foregoing clarification is of utmost relevance here because “much of the bronze/brass art of Ife has not been dated.” — S.A. Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People”, 2010, p.52.

Moreover, the bronze casting tradition of the Yorubas is not isolated or restricted to the Ife subgroup. Later finds in the course of the 1900s came to prove that the ancient bronze casting art also existed in other parts of Yorubaland such as: Owo, Obo-Aiyegunle (in Northern Ekiti), Ijebu-Ode, etc.
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(2) Talking about the Ogané of the early Portuguese account who is noted to be “the most powerful monarch” in our part of the world, and who lived in the “east”.

Despite the description of “east” in this account, I am still unaware of any historian (past or present) who identified this monarch as an Igbo king.

From the beginning of the twentieth century, scholars had no reason to doubt that this Ogane of the Portuguese account is none other than the Ooni of Ife.

(see e.g. Stoll 1902:161-166; Roth 1903:6n1; Marquart 1913:52; Talbot 1926:1:155-156, 281-282, 3:573; Schurhammer 1928:28-30; Bradbury 1964:151, Paula Marti 1960:63, Mauny 1961:182; Akinjogbin 1967:41-43; Law 1973:17-19; Willett 1973:137-138; Obayemi 1976:247; Horton 1979: ; Akintoye 2010:141-142; among others).

Historians have maintained for, valid and factual reasons, that the description of “east” in the account is — rather than literal — of a religious significance.

The justification for this comes from the fact that every received detail about the Ogane in the account lines up perfectly only with the Ooni of Ife among all monarchs throughout the Gulf of Guinea.

Moreover, Ife is well-known among the ancient cultures of our region (at least west of the Niger River) by the religious epithet of: “the place from where the sun rises” — Ife Oodaiye, ibi ojumo tii mo wa.

(i) This ancient religious epithet of Ife as, the place of the rising sun, remains well-known even till date by every typical Yoruba person.

(ii) This ancient religious epithet of Ife was also well-known in Benin Kingdom at least up to the 1920s.

This fact comes from H.L. Ward-Price’s “Dark Subjects” wherein he noted that Oba Eweka(II) informed him that, every morning at dawn he faces the rising sun while observing certain rituals to his great-lord (Oghene) who lives in Ife.

(iv) This religious epithet of Ife is also found to be well-known in today’s Republic of Benin as Robin Horton’s citation of Maupoil, B’s “La Geomancie” 1943 publication shows below:

“Maupoil in his classic account of Dahomean religion, tells once more of a strong association of Ife with dawn and the east. He adds that although in this area the association is one that actually corresponds with geographical reality, in the minds of the people it is not so much a summary of geographical observation as a highly appropriate piece of symbolism. For Dahomeans, dawn and the east are in this context first and foremost symbols of certain admired attributes of Ife.”

(iv) This religious epithet of Ife was also recorded by David Hinderer during his missionary visit to Ife in the 1850s. He wrote:

“Ife is famous as being the seat of idolatory; all the multiple idols of this part of the country are said to emanate from the town; from there the sun and moon rises where they are buried in the ground, and all people of this country and even white men sprung from this town.”
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In summary: Scholars have from the beginning identified this Ogane (Oghene) as the Ooni of Ife. The only notable exception to this identification used to be A.F.C. Ryder who in 1965 hypothesized the geographical north-eastern direction, rather than the geographical western direction of Ife.

However, as Elizabeth A. Isichei has confirmed, Ryder later abandoned this solitary and radical idea in his 1969 work entitled “Benin and the Europeans”.

In sum, every redoubtable scholar and historian of precolonial Nigeria today has no iota of doubt in identifying the Ogane of the Portuguese account as the Ooni of Ife.

See the attached screenshot from page 47 of Adam Knobler’s (2016) work for a very recent apt summary of this identification.

cc: LegendH.ero, Sa.mmy07, 900.winer.

Thanks for your honorable mention .
I just had to unfollow the thread I was just tired of their baseles claims

gwafaeziokwu:


You tag each other because herd mentality is your thing and you guys confuse it with unity. In the end it is lack of self confidence. When left alone in the same turf, the century long Yoruba wars and the wild wild west scenario of 1960s will be repeated.

Consistency? I have read many versions of Oduduwa and Ife from you guys that I don't even know which to believe. I have also read so many different version of your link to the Benin kingdom. All of them sound like fable.

Before we talk further about how yorubas surrendered their sovereignty without a fight, I know you read the attached document. Is it true or false?

Go open thread now. You dey curious, i get your answer. Open thread.