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Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by LegendHero(m): 8:23pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
OfoIgbo: You are saying rubbish and the video you posted was baseless in the first place. What are you trying to prove with the video? It is just one uninformed narrator claiming Oba of Benin is greater in rank than Ooni without any fact and he was clearly roasted in the comment section. I was expecting to see evidence to show Oba of Benin was greater but the video turned out to be the usual nonsense from uninformed people without any proof or reference to how he came about his claim. All I just showed you was the hierarchy in place in the picture of 1937. You can clearly see that the Oni was in the middle as the highest in rank among the Yoruba Obas and the Oba of Benin was equally seated in the picture. At least they never used rope to drag Oba of Benin to be part of the sitting and he clearly understood what the gathering was all about. I showed you pictures to back the claim while you showed the video of a narrator saying rubbish. |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by LegendHero(m): 8:25pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
Etinosa1234: The white man is just the Governor of Nigeria. You can clearly see that the Yoruba Obas were only taking pictures with the Governor normally and the highest in rank is the Oni of Ife based on the seating arrangement. The Oba of Benin sat willingly on his own and I don't see where they put rope around his neck to be part of the Yoruba Obas. |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 8:26pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
LegendHero:What are we supposed to learn from this picture? |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 8:29pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
LegendHero:We are now relying on sitting positions of a photoshoot to tell us History? 6 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by LegendHero(m): 8:30pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
Hellraiser77: He claimed the video he uploaded is about how the Obaship are ranked. Then I just showed him a picture of the sitting arangement and rank of what is clearly called (The Yoruba Obas). The Oba of Benin wa sclearly seated and you can see he was lower in ranking when compared to the Ooni. Now the wuestion should be, why did Ofoigbo uploaded the video in the first place? What is he trying to make us learn from the video? OfoIgbo: |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by LegendHero(m): 8:36pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
Hellraiser77: It is not a photoshoot and sitting arrangement in an official picture like that always tells a lot in diplomatic terms. Except if you are a kindergarten who need to be spoon fed on everything, you should know the sitting arrangement in that picture is of high importance and it depicted hierarchy. 1 Like |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 8:38pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
LegendHero:Bros where was it stated that this picture was taken according to any rank?....Atleast you can deduce something from what the people in those videos are saying, whether true or false is a matter of opinion. You on the other hand just uploaded a picture and declared they were seated in ranks 4 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 8:45pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
Insecure bush-children will not kill me. LegendHero, is this what you’ve been tolerating from bush-children?? (1) One of them still insisted that Awolowo (born 1919) was the one responsible for the documented statements of the 1850s and 1901. Interesting. I finally brought out the Nri-ness (i.e. dumbness) in these children. (2) I also see the bush-child trying to bring up the archaeology of Ife as the reason for Ife’s primacy among the Yorubas (perhaps after realizing how his AwOlOwO straw exposes his dumbness further). Can someone please inform the bush-child that the first archaeological excavation of Ife was in the year 1910 by Leo Frobenius, and as such post-dates the 1850s and 1901 documented statements about Ife’s primacy which I shared?? (3) Bush children, as expected, couldn’t possibly grasp the nuance of the statements from where the Johnson brothers tried to shift Yoruba’s capital to Oyo. The bush-child confused himself between cradle and capital. To educate the low-life bush-child as always, Oyo never at anytime claimed to be the cradle of the Yoruba people. (4) Regarding the YouTube videos, an independent, neutral and academic source (such as the British Museum documentary) which states very clearly that the Oba of Benin pays homage to Ife is obviously an authentic source of valid historical information than whatever defensive and insecure beer parlor tales emanate from Benin which is itself is the embarrassed party in this scenario. In case of doubt, see the documentary again one more time. Remember to go specifically to the time-stamp 48:22 — 48:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI Good luck! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by LegendHero(m): 8:51pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
Hellraiser77: See the kind of people I've been arguing with? Go and understand official protocol involved in seating arrangement. Check Buhari well, have you ever seen him seat at the far corner in any official picture in Nigeria? (Note the keyword, official pictures) Check Trump well, in any official picture, have you ever seen him seat at the far corner? Go and read up about simple protocol. You guys bore me with your kindergarten reasoning honestly. 1 Like |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 8:53pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
@LegendHero: In relation to the picture you shared, the actual title of the meeting (facilitated by the colonial governor) is “Conference of Yoruba Chiefs” — with the Oba of Benin as member. The report of the first one of these conferences held at Oyo on 31 March and 1 April 1937, notes in its introduction as follows: "The chiefs were seated in horse-shoe formation with the Oni of Ife, as head of the town from which all Yoruba have traditionally sprung, at the centre, and the Alafin of Oyo at the western and the Oba of Benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction." Refer to: "Conference of Yoruba Chiefs, Oyo, 31 March to 1 April 1937", mimeographed, p.1. During the second of this conference held at Ife on 16 and 17 March 1 1938, the question of permanent membership was raised, and after deliberation a list of permanent members was announced with the name of the Oba of Benin in third place after those of the Ooni of Ife and the Alaafin of Oyo. Before the end of the conference, a proposal was made to extend the membership scope to include others from the Western Yoruba provinces. This proposal drew comment from the Ooni of Ife to the effect that this would create certain problems, including that of language. Then he said, 'We understand the Oba of Benin: he is one of us, and today we come together as the children of Odudua'" --- Refer to: "Conference of Yoruba Chiefs, Ife, 16 and 17 March 1938", mimeographed, p. 44. |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by LegendHero(m): 8:59pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
TAO11: God will bless you. Mere looking at that picture, an intelligent person will deduce they seat by order of hierarchy coz seating arrangement meant a lot in official pictures like that. 1 Like |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 9:00pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
LegendHero:Bro, don’t sweat it. They obviously understand the whole point from the beginning. They just have to make excuses to save face and keep up appearances. Ask yourself this key question: Who make excuses — the loser or the winner. Cheers bro! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 9:07pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
TAO11: Insecure bush-children will not kill me. LegendHero, is this what you’ve been tolerating from bush-children?? (1) One of them still insisted that Awolowo (born [b]1919) was the one responsible for the documented statements of the 1850s and 1901. Interesting. I finally brought out the Nri-ness (i.e. dumbness) in these children. (2) I also see the bush-child trying to bring in the archaeology of Ife as the reason for Ife’s primacy among the Yorubas (perhaps after realizing how his AwOlOwO straw exposes his dumbness even further). Can someone please inform the bush-child that the first archaeological excavation of Ife was in the year 1910 by Leo Frobenius, and as such post-dates the 1850s and 1901 documented states about Ife’s primacy which I shared?? (3) Push children as expected couldn’t possibly grasp the nuance of the statements from where the Johnsons tried to shift Yoruba’s capital to Oyo. He confused himself between cradle and capital. To educate the low-life bush-child as always, Oyo never at anytime claimed to be the cradle of the Yoruba people. (4) Tao11 the Fraudlent wannabe-historian I can't keep going in perpetual circles of meaningless Argument with you You are now starting to sound rather confused and Disillusioned I have categorically and satisfactorily proven that ile Ife and the Oduduwa fables was only important to very few Yoruba communities before the 20th century, hang in there I will set you free soon, just one more topic to go DO you doubt the assertion made by the Ooni that early yoruba ancestors met an ancient stock of Igbos in Ile Ife? screenshot below
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Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 9:12pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
LegendHero:Please Elaborate more on what Buhari or Donald Trump has in common with a picture of few Nigerian traditional rulers from 1937 |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 9:16pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
The bush-child smelt the rat about his dumbness and quickly rushed back into the evil forest to avoid troubles. But even on the new topic he ran to, I would say: YES, the Ooni of Ife stated that the Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife. So, what’s your point now?? Are you about to stop believing the Ooni of Ife now?? LegendHero, please watch out for how someone will soon be reduced to miming Shakespeare tonight again. 1 Share
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Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 9:16pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
TAO11:All your arguements on this Thread Tao11 has based major on excuses: Excuses of why Ile Ife is the last and most recent out of seven Excuses of why I should discard the fact that the Awujale of Ijebu land said they don't have any Ife connection I'm waiting for you to make another excuse of why I should discard what Ooni ogunwusi said about the ancient Igbo origins of Ile Ife itself |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 9:17pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
Hellraiser77:I thought you subscribed to that. At what point did you stop agreeing to that fact?? Now, explain how a fact you subscribed to suddenly became an eXcUsE! And regarding the Ijebu claim which you later chipped into your comment after I had replied, that has been thoroughly debunked here. 1 Like |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by LegendHero(m): 9:26pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
TAO11: In addition to what TAO said above, the image attached is the the Conference of Yoruba Chiefs 1937 Proceedings: It showed the cover page, page1, and page 2. Etinosa1234: OfoIgbo: Hellraiser77: 1 Like
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Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 9:27pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
TAO11:Tao11 is now employing deflection techniques Tao11 The current topic is whether or not you agree with the Ooni as regards the ancient stock of Igbos who were the original inhabitants of Ife. I'm reving my Engine in preparation to destroy you
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Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by OfoIgbo: 9:28pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
LegendHero: It was just a picture of those that addressed themselves as Obas (which btw, is originally an NRI title) in the western region. The oba Benin has spoken. True Benin people have spoken in both videos. The Ooni was a Benin prince that was sentenced to death. Alaafin was also a Benin man. Both thrones should really be paying homage to Oba Benin, just the same way the ancient Obas used to pay homage to the ruler of THE KINGDOM TO THE EAST OF BENIN, NRI. The Ooni and the Alaafin's ancestors are from Benin. The Oba, Ooni and Alaafin in order of seniority, should resume paying homage to the Eze NRI. What do you all think? |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 9:28pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
LegendHero:Thank you, I was looking for that page shown in that 3rd screenshot. Thanks for sharing it. But watch out for the excuse from losers. |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by LegendHero(m): 9:30pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
TAO11: Lol, the guys already started exhibiting the symptoms of "Shakespeare miming syndrome". 1 Like |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 9:31pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
OfoIgbo: 48:22 — 48:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI I won’t say a word! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 9:38pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
Hellraiser77:Thank you for running back into the evil forest after realizing how your AwOlOwO and aRcHaEoLoGy straw failed miserably. Regarding the false statement you attributed dubiously to the Ooni, you need to first show me where Oba Adeyeye ever said that the people of Ife met Igbo people in Ife. However, since I know you haven’t shown that — and I know you would never be able to — then I will restrict myself to what he actually said as also shown in the attached below, that: The Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife. See attached for reminder. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 9:50pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
TAO11: Thank you for running back into the evil forest from your AwOlOwO and archaeology straw. Regarding the Ooni of Ife, you need to [b]first show me where Oba Adeyeye ever said that the people of Ife met Igbo people in Ife. However, since I know you haven’t shown that — and ou would never be able to — then I will restrict myself to what he actually said as shown in the attached below that: The Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) re descended from the Yoruba people of Ife. See attached for reminder. Tao has turned to a stand-up comedian Tao11 below is the link to the full report; https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2019/08/ooni-of-ife-and-the-igbo-yoruba-relationship/amp/ |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by LegendHero(m): 9:52pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
OfoIgbo: Nope, it is not just a picture, it is a proof of statement showing that the Oni of Ife is the highest in rank among the Yoruba Obas while Oba of Benin is below him in ranking. Go back and read the description in the proceedings I uploaded and the text TAO11 showed! The oba Benin has spoken. True Benin people have spoken in both videos. The Ooni was a Benin prince that was sentenced to death. Alaafin was also a Benin man.So Alaafin is also a Benin man? Now I don't actually know what to say. Who is now a Yoruba man since Ooni and Alaafin are both Benin man? Both thrones should really be paying homage to Oba Benin, just the same way the ancient Obas used to pay homage to the ruler of THE KINGDOM TO THE EAST OF BENIN, NRI.You are saying nonsense yet again. TAO11 already lectured you multiple time about this and you should henceforth desist from saying rubbish like this on a public forum. The Oba, Ooni and Alaafin in order of seniority, should resume paying homage to the Eze NRI. What do you all think? Lol, hierarchy given by who? Ooni is the greatest of all Yoruba kings and Oba of Benin is below him in ranking. My sources are the below images. Who the bleep is Nri? Pay homage to which of the Nri? Is this a comedy session? 1 Like
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Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by OfoIgbo: 9:54pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
LegendHero: This was majorly why the Benin oba was at the forefront of seeking the establishment of a Midwestern state, because Yorubas sought to dominate everything because of their population. I can guarantee that the Benin oba had no hand in branding himself a Yoruba. The Willink commission report properly detailed the Yoruba treatment of the western minorities. So I am not surprised that the Yoruba Obas who were many, ensured that the Benin oba was buried in a sea of Yoruba rulers. The Benin people properly spoke their mind, by leaving the western region and asserting their true identity. No Benin oba has ever told us he's under the OONI, who's even of Benin ancestry 3 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 9:55pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
Hellraiser77:Thank you for taking the dumb risk of sharing the full report. But guess what, no where still did he ever say that the Yoruba people of Ife met the Igbo people in Ife. Instead, what he made clear is that: the Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife. At this point, do you still stand by the Ooni’s actual statement, or are you about to flee again back into the evil forest from where you had escaped?? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 9:59pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
Tao11 Legendhero below is a video of the Ooni Emphasizing Igbos and their mastery of ancient divinity( the Afa and all its Odus). https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DUZ8BA4l9oK0&ved=2ahUKEwiUpvuhj6PrAhUYh1wKHcBsC6QQwqsBMAt6BAgFEAM&usg=AOvVaw2gfqF3C_KypxV2QZLp3-iU Great respect for the Ooni for having the boldness to come out publicly and state this Truth |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by LegendHero(m): 10:01pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
OfoIgbo: So the Yoruba Obas put rope on the neck of the Oba of Benin and dragged him to Oyo to identify as a Yoruba in the conference of Yoruba Obas? You are boring me with all these nonsense of yours. what is my own with Willinks? How does that correlate with this? What should we do with it? Benin people themselves are not useful to me, infact I am not interested in Benin or what they represent. That was why I initially told you on the early page of this thread that both Igbo, and Benin history or culture is none of my concern. So don't think Benin is that useful to me! However since you initially dubiously uploaded a video saying it showed hierarchy, i had to include the image of the Oba to counter your ridiculous claim to put you in the place you deserve. 1 Like |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by LegendHero(m): 10:02pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
Hellraiser77: Nice video. Ooni said "The Igbo people descended from the Yoruba people of Ife." Do you agree with Ooni? Yes or No? 1 Like |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 10:05pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
OfoIgbo:Excuses! Excuses!! and more Excuses!!! Mid-western state or what did I just hear you bush-child say?? (Please bear in mind that Wester Region itself was founded in 1939) The attachment below shows a quotation of the account collected by Captain Ernest Roupell from the Benin palace in the year 1897. As it is shown clearly, the Binis themselves (without any Yoruba pointing a gun at their head) informed the British captain that their first King (Eweka1) was a Yoruba man from Ife. — Captain Roupll’s Officials quoted in H. Ling Roth (1903), p.7. The specific details they narrated to the British by themselves (as at that year 1897) is quite different from how the Yoruba traditions put it. But at least they were honest enough to admit early to the Oyinbo man that their first king was a Yoruba man from Ife. cc: LegendHero 2 Likes 2 Shares
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