OfoIgbo:


Meaningless response. The Benin oba has spoken. And proper Benin people have spoken.

Both the Ooni of Ife and the Alaafin of Oyo were originally from Benin and definitely not greater than the Benin oba.

I haven't sent in my reply. Once I do, you will be in no doubt as to who the Portuguese explorers were referring to.

Oba Benin will never challenge Eze NRI, as he properly told us how the OONI came to be.

Please still wait for my reply to TAO11. I want to lecture you guys, so you will stop spilling trash all around

Etinosa1234:


I don't understand u but are u then claiming the Ooni was bigger than the white man..

If no, then pictures don't prove anything

LegendHero:


The video is just nonsense. The second video showed the narrator is just one uninformed propagandist saying rubbish.

You can check the comment section of the video, he was roasted on the comment section.

The below is 1937 showing the pictures of all Yoruba Obas with the governor of Nigeria. Oba of Benin was also included in the Yoruba Obas and you can see him seated.

At the centre is Ooni Aderemi, to his left is Oba Akenzua of Benin and Alake of Egbaland Oba Ademola. To Ooni’s right, Alaafin of Oyo, Oba Oladigbolu and Oba Adesanya Gbelegbuwa the Awujale of Ijebu Ode. The white man in the picture is the Governor of Nigeria.

LegendHero:


You are saying rubbish and the video you posted was baseless in the first place.

What are you trying to prove with the video? It is just one uninformed narrator claiming Oba of Benin is greater in rank than Ooni without any fact and he was clearly roasted in the comment section.

I was expecting to see evidence to show Oba of Benin was greater but the video turned out to be the usual nonsense from uninformed people without any proof or reference to how he came about his claim.

All I just showed you was the hierarchy in place in the picture of 1937. You can clearly see that the Oni was in the middle as the highest in rank among the Yoruba Obas and the Oba of Benin was equally seated in the picture. At least they never used rope to drag Oba of Benin to be part of the sitting and he clearly understood what the gathering was all about.

I showed you pictures to back the claim while you showed the video of a narrator saying rubbish.

Hellraiser77:
What are we supposed to learn from this picture?

OfoIgbo:


Please learn your history and how Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo and Oba of Benin are ranked

Hellraiser77:
We are now relying on sitting positions of a photoshoot to tell us History?

LegendHero:


He claimed the video he uploaded is about how the Obaship are ranked. Then I just showed him a picture of the sitting arangement and rank of what is clearly called (The Yoruba Obas).

The Oba of Benin wa sclearly seated and you can see he was lower in ranking when compared to the Ooni.

Now the wuestion should be, why did Ofoigbo uploaded the video in the first place? What is he trying to make us learn from the video?

Hellraiser77:
Bros where was it stated that this picture was taken according to any rank?....Atleast you can deduce something from what the people in those videos are saying, whether true or false is a matter of opinion.

You on the other hand just uploaded a picture and declared they were seated in ranks

TAO11:
@LegendHero:

In relation to the picture you shared, the actual title of the meeting (facilitated by the colonial governor) is “Conference of Yoruba Chiefs” — with the Oba of Benin as member.

The report of the first one of these conferences held at Oyo on 31 March and 1 April 1937, notes in its introduction as follows:


"The chiefs were seated in horse-shoe formation with the Oni of Ife, as head of the town from which all Yoruba have traditionally sprung, at the centre, and the Alafin of Oyo at the western and the Oba of Benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction."


See the attached screenshot below for "a sketch of the seating arrangement" as contained in the report.


--- Refer to: "Conference of Yoruba Chiefs, Oyo, 31 March to 1 April 1937", mimeographed, p.1.


During the second of this conference held at Ife on 16 and 17 March 1 1938, the question of permanent membership was raised, and after deliberation a list of permanent members was announced with the name of the Oba of Benin in third place after those of the Ooni of Ife and the Alaafin of Oyo.


Before the end of the conference, a proposal was made to extend the membership scope to include others from the Western Yoruba provinces. This proposal drew comment from the Ooni of Ife to the effect that this would create certain problems, including that of language. Then he said, 'We understand the Oba of Benin: he is one of us, and today we come together as the children of Odudua'"


--- Refer to: "Conference of Yoruba Chiefs, Ife, 16 and 17 March 1938", mimeographed, p. 44.

LegendHero:


See the kind of people I've been arguing with?

Go and understand official protocol involved in seating arrangement.

Check Buhari well, have you ever seen him seat at the far corner in any official picture in Nigeria? (Note the keyword, official pictures)

Check Trump well, in any official picture, have you ever seen him seat at the far corner?

Go and read up about simple protocol. You guys bore me with your kindergarten reasoning honestly.

TAO11:
Insecure bush-children will not kill me. LegendHero, is this what you’ve been tolerating from bush-children??

(1) One of them still insisted that Awolowo (born [b]1919) was the one responsible for the documented statements of the 1850s and 1901. Interesting. I finally brought out the Nri-ness (i.e. dumbness) in these children.

(2) I also see the bush-child trying to bring in the archaeology of Ife as the reason for Ife’s primacy among the Yorubas (perhaps after realizing how his AwOlOwO straw exposes his dumbness even further).

Can someone please inform the bush-child that the first archaeological excavation of Ife was in the year 1910 by Leo Frobenius, and as such post-dates the 1850s and 1901 documented states about Ife’s primacy which I shared??

(3) Push children as expected couldn’t possibly grasp the nuance of the statements from where the Johnsons tried to shift Yoruba’s capital to Oyo. He confused himself between cradle and capital. To educate the low-life bush-child as always, Oyo never at anytime claimed to be the cradle of the Yoruba people.

(4)

LegendHero:


See the kind of people I've been arguing with?

Go and understand official protocol involved in seating arrangement.

Check Buhari well, have you ever seen him seat at the far corner in any official picture in Nigeria? (Note the keyword, official pictures)

Check Trump well, in any official picture, have you ever seen him seat at the far corner?

Go and read up about simple protocol. You guys bore me with your kindergarten reasoning honestly.

TAO11:
Bro, don’t sweat it. They obviously understand the whole point from the beginning.

They just have to make excuses to save face and keep up appearances.

Ask yourself this key question: Who make excuses — the loser or the winner.

Cheers bro!

Hellraiser77:
All your arguements on this Thread Tao11 has based major on excuses:

Excuses of why Ile Ife is the last and most recent out of seven

TAO11:
@LegendHero:

In relation to the picture you shared, the actual title of the meeting (facilitated by the colonial governor) is “Conference of Yoruba Chiefs” — with the Oba of Benin as member.

The report of the first one of these conferences held at Oyo on 31 March and 1 April 1937, notes in its introduction as follows:


"The chiefs were seated in horse-shoe formation with the Oni of Ife, as head of the town from which all Yoruba have traditionally sprung, at the centre, and the Alafin of Oyo at the western and the Oba of Benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction."


Refer to: "Conference of Yoruba Chiefs, Oyo, 31 March to 1 April 1937", mimeographed, p.1.


During the second of this conference held at Ife on 16 and 17 March 1 1938, the question of permanent membership was raised, and after deliberation a list of permanent members was announced with the name of the Oba of Benin in third place after those of the Ooni of Ife and the Alaafin of Oyo.


Before the end of the conference, a proposal was made to extend the membership scope to include others from the Western Yoruba provinces. This proposal drew comment from the Ooni of Ife to the effect that this would create certain problems, including that of language. Then he said, 'We understand the Oba of Benin: he is one of us, and today we come together as the children of Odudua'"


--- Refer to: "Conference of Yoruba Chiefs, Ife, 16 and 17 March 1938", mimeographed, p. 44.

Etinosa1234:


I don't understand u but are u then claiming the Ooni was bigger than the white man..

If no, then pictures don't prove anything

OfoIgbo:


Both the Ooni of Ife and the Alaafin of Oyo were originally from Benin and definitely not greater than the Benin oba.

Hellraiser77:
What are we supposed to learn from this picture?

TAO11:
I thought you subscribed to that. At what point did you stop agreeing to that fact??

Now, explain how a fact you subscribed to is an eXcUsE!

LegendHero:


You are saying rubbish and the video you posted was baseless in the first place.

What are you trying to prove with the video? It is just one uninformed narrator claiming Oba of Benin is greater in rank than Ooni without any fact and he was clearly roasted in the comment section.

I was expecting to see evidence to show Oba of Benin was greater but the video turned out to be the usual nonsense from uninformed people without any proof or reference to how he came about his claim.

All I just showed you was the hierarchy in place in the picture of 1937. You can clearly see that the Oni was in the middle as the highest in rank among the Yoruba Obas and the Oba of Benin was equally seated in the picture. At least they never used rope to drag Oba of Benin to be part of the sitting and he clearly understood what the gathering was all about.

I showed you pictures to back the claim while you showed the video of a narrator saying rubbish.

LegendHero:
In addition to what TAO said above, the image attached is the the Conference of Yoruba Chiefs 1937 Proceedings:

It showed the cover page, page1, and page 2.

TAO11:
The bush-child smelt the rat about his dumbness and quickly rushed back into the evil forest to avoid troubles.

But even on the new topic he ran to, I would say: YES, the Ooni of Ife stated that the Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife.

So, what’s your point now?? Are you about to stop believing the Ooni of Ife now??


LegendHero, please watch out for how someone will soon be reduced to miming Shakespeare tonight again.

OfoIgbo:


It was just a picture of those that addressed themselves as Obas (which btw, is originally an NRI title) in the western region.
The oba Benin has spoken. True Benin people have spoken in both videos. The Ooni was a Benin prince that was sentenced to death. Alaafin was also a Benin man.
Both thrones should really be paying homage to Oba Benin, just the same way the ancient Obas used to pay homage to the ruler of THE KINGDOM TO THE EAST OF BENIN, NRI.
The Ooni and the Alaafin's ancestors are from Benin.

The Oba, Ooni and Alaafin in order of seniority, should resume paying homage to the Eze NRI. What do you all think?

Hellraiser77:
Tao11 is now employing deflection techniques

Tao11 The current topic is whether or not you agree with the Ooni as regards the ancient stock of Igbos who were the original inhabitants of Ife.

I'm reving my Engine in preparation to destroy you >:

TAO11:
Thank you for running back into the evil forest from your AwOlOwO and archaeology straw.

Regarding the Ooni of Ife, you need to [b]first show me where Oba Adeyeye ever said that the people of Ife met Igbo people in Ife.

However, since I know you haven’t shown that — and ou would never be able to — then I will restrict myself to what he actually said as shown in the attached below that:

The Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) re descended from the Yoruba people of Ife.

See attached for reminder.

OfoIgbo:

It was just a picture of those that addressed themselves as Obas (which btw, is originally an NRI title) in the western region.

The oba Benin has spoken. True Benin people have spoken in both videos. The Ooni was a Benin prince that was sentenced to death. Alaafin was also a Benin man.

Both thrones should really be paying homage to Oba Benin, just the same way the ancient Obas used to pay homage to the ruler of THE KINGDOM TO THE EAST OF BENIN, NRI.
The Ooni and the Alaafin's ancestors are from Benin.

The Oba, Ooni and Alaafin in order of seniority, should resume paying homage to the Eze NRI. What do you all think?

LegendHero:




In addition to what TAO said above, the image attached is the the Conference of Yoruba Chiefs 1937 Proceedings:

It showed the cover page, page1, and page 2.

Hellraiser77:
[b]Tao has turned to a stand-up comedian

Tao11 below is the link to the full report;
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2019/08/ooni-of-ife-and-the-igbo-yoruba-relationship/amp/

OfoIgbo:


This was majorly why the Benin oba was at the forefront of seeking the establishment of a Midwestern state, because Yorubas sought to dominate everything because of their population.

I can guarantee that the Benin oba had no hand in branding himself a Yoruba. The Willink commission report properly detailed the Yoruba treatment of the western minorities.

So I am not surprised that the Yoruba Obas who were many, ensured that the Benin oba was buried in a sea of Yoruba rulers.

The Benin people properly spoke their mind, by leaving the western region and asserting their true identity.

No Benin oba has ever told us he's under the OONI, who's even of Benin ancestry

Hellraiser77:
Tao11 Legendhero below is a video of the Ooni Emphasizing Igbos and their mastery of ancient divinity( the Afa and all its Odus).

https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DUZ8BA4l9oK0&ved=2ahUKEwiUpvuhj6PrAhUYh1wKHcBsC6QQwqsBMAt6BAgFEAM&usg=AOvVaw2gfqF3C_KypxV2QZLp3-iU

Great respect for the Ooni for having the boldness to come out publicly and state this Truth

OfoIgbo:


This was majorly why the Benin oba was at the forefront of seeking the establishment of a Midwestern state because Yorubas sought to dominate everything because of their population.

I can guarantee that the Benin oba had no hand in branding himself a Yoruba. The Willink commission report properly detailed the Yoruba treatment of the western minorities.

So I am not surprised that the Yoruba Obas who were many, ensured that the Benin oba was buried in a sea of Yoruba rulers.

The Benin people properly spoke their mind, by leaving the western region and asserting their true identity.

No Benin oba has ever told us he's under the OONI, who's even of Benin ancestry