TAO11:
Thank you for taking the dumb risk of sharing the full report.

But guess what, no where still did he ever say that the Yoruba people of Ife met the Igbo people in Ife.

Instead, what he made clear is that: the Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife.

At this point, do you still stand by the Ooni’s actual statement, or are you about to flee again back into the evil forest from where you had escaped??

You are now on a quest to save face and hide your surprise at the fact that Igbos are the founders of your Ile Ife, gave you the Afa divinition, gave you Obatala whom you worship till date.

There was no mention of NRI in that report and the reason is really not far fetched.

It has now been proven to you that Igbos are really like a grandpa to Yoruba and all this Niger-congo group of peoples,

Do you want to know why Igbos called settlements IFE?

Hellraiser77:
Tao11 Legendhero below is a video of the Ooni Emphasizing Igbos and their mastery of ancient divinity( the Afa and all its Odus).

https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DUZ8BA4l9oK0&ved=2ahUKEwiUpvuhj6PrAhUYh1wKHcBsC6QQwqsBMAt6BAgFEAM&usg=AOvVaw2gfqF3C_KypxV2QZLp3-iU

Great respect for the Ooni for having the boldness to come out publicly and state this Truth

Exactly the point I was making.

The Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife as the Ooni has stated.

Now, since you should agree with the Ooni on this, then there is no surprise that these Igbo people learnt Ifa well in Ife before they left for Igboland.

Again, do you still stand in solidarity with the Ooni on this statement or have you fled back into the evil forest??

Ok

LegendHero:


Nice video.

Ooni said "The Igbo people descended from the Yoruba people of Ife."

Do you agree with Ooni?

Yes or No?

So that's what your Bruised ego and shattered pride deduced from the whole video?

Obatala whom the Yoruba regard as the master of all creation himself was clarified by The Ooni to just be an igbo king who was also a master of the spirit just like the Nri priests of more recent Igbo History

Hellraiser77:
You are now on a quest to save face and hide your surprise at the fact that Igbos are the founders of your Ile Ife, gave you the Afa divinition, gave you Obatala whom you worship till date.

There was no mention of NRI in that report and the reason is really not far fetched.

It has now been proven to you that Igbos are really like a grandpa to Yoruba and all this Niger-congo group of peoples,

Do you want to know why Igbos called settlements IFE?

You are jumping the gun kid.

You still haven’t shown where the Ooni said Yoruba people of Ife met Igbo people in Ife.

On the contrary, what you have shown in writing and in video is the Ooni asserting clearly that the Igbo people are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife from whom they mastered Ifa people fleeing for the evil-forest land, aka Igboland.

You haven’t answered if you still stand in solidarity with the Ooni on this or you’ve fled into your natural habitat, viz. the evil forest.

TAO11:
Exactly he point I was making.

The Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife as the Ooni has stated.

Now. since you should agree with the Ooni on this, then there is no surprise that these Igbo people learnt Ifa well in Ife before they left for Igboland.

Again, do you still stand in solidarity with the Ooni on this statement or have you fled back into the evil forest??

Chai!!!, Tao11 and legendhero are battling so hard to save the soul of their ife

IFE which really is the Igbo word for Daylight in contrast with the lowlight of the forest and it's thick canopy that Igbos liked better.

Hellraiser77:
So that's what your Bruised ego and shattered pride deduced from the whole video?

Obatala whom the Yoruba regard as the master of all creation himself was clarified by The Ooni to just be an igbo king who was also a master of the spirit just like the Nri priests of more recent Igbo History

If you are that intelligent, you won't be showing that Image or video because it actually supported the fact that Ife is the origin.

If the statement of Ooni is right, that means the Igbo descended from Ife and they had to migrate to their current spot which give claim to the fact that Ife is actually the source.

That means Nri or all your ancestors were actually from the source (Ife).

Just using a layman reason, that is the only thing I can deduce from the video and Vanguard publication.

Can you please tell me your own interpretation of the Vanguard image and the video?

LegendHero:


You might want to change the Western Region creation date. I think you made a mistake, it was formed in 1939.

Thanks for catching that, I was trying to recall stuffs from memory.

Even that minor slip still fails to help their case. The Binis have been having these conversations with the Oyinbo man since the year 1897 (and of course earlier) — at least 42 years before western region was founded.

TAO11:
Thanks for catching that, I was trying to recall stuffs from memory.

But still, the Binis have been having this conversation with the British since the year 1897 — 42 years before western region.

Exactly. This is not an issue of Western region or any other thing. It has been like that even before the creation of any Western Region or amalgamation of Nigeria.

TAO11:
You are jumping the gun kid.

You still haven’t shown where the Ooni said Yoruba people of Ife met Igbo people in Ife.

On the contrary, what you have shown in writing and in video is the Ooni asserting clearly that the Igbo people are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife from whom they mastered Ifa people fleeing for the evil-forest land, aka Igboland.

You haven’t answered if you still stand in solidarity with the Ooni on this or you’ve fled into your natural habitat, viz. the evil forest.

Tao11 the stand-up comedian never ceases to entertain

Grasping and groaning is the sign of a drowning man

LegendHero:


If you are that intelligent, you won't be showing that Image or video because it actually supported the fact that Ife is the origin.

If the statement of Ooni is right, that means the Igbo descended from Ife and they had to migrate to their current spot which give claim to the fact that Ife is actually the source.

That means Nri or all your ancestors were actually from the source (Ife).

Just using a layman reason, that is the only thing I can deduce from the video and Vanguard publication.

Can you please tell me your own interpretation of the Vanguard image and the video?

What yoruba ancestors met in Ife was really one stock of Igbos out of Five there were four others

Hellraiser77:
Tao11 the stand-up comedian never ceases to entertain

Grasping and groaning is the sign of a drowning man

Nope you are the drowning man here. Your own evidence was used against you.

Is Ooni right in his statement that the Igbos descended from the source (Ife)?

Yes or No?

Hellraiser77:
Tao11 the stand-up comedian never ceases to entertain

Grasping and groaning is the sign of a drowning man

LegendHero comman see something.

Somebody is about to start miming William Shakespeare tonight again.

Hellraiser77:
What yoruba ancestors met in Ife was really one stock of Igbos out of Five there were four others

Hahahaha comedian Hellraiser.

So I am actually an Igbo right? Since I make up one of the five stock of Igbos.

So let's agree I am Igbo based on your conclusion.

can you now answer the question below:
Do you agree with Ooni that Ife is actually the Origin and source of the Igbos?

Yes or No?

LegendHero:


Nope you are the drowning man here. Your own evidence was used against you.

Is Ooni right in his statement that the Igbos descended from the source (Ife)?

Yes or No?

Nowhere did the Ooni state that Igbos descended from anybody

It would have been an abomination to the very throne to say that.

Obatala himself who the Yoruba deified was an Igbo ruler in Ife, be calm and keep an open mind while reading the statement and watching the video, you will pick out insights

I have lots of other evidence that doesn't involve the Ooni,but since you are bent on twisting facts there's no need to bring it forth.

Metaphysical also knows this truth of Igbo origins of Ife but he doesn't really like discussing it much

Hellraiser77:
What yoruba ancestors met in Ife was really one stock of Igbos out of Five there were four others

I’ll wait patently for the evidence of where the Ooni of Ife said that the Yoruba people of Ife met the Igbo people in Ife.

However, what we find the Ooni saying — on the Mr hand — is that the Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife from whom they mastered Ifa before they then descended into the evil-forest known today as Igboland.

cc: LegendHero

LegendHero:


Hahahaha comedian Hellraiser.

So I am actually an Igbo right? Since I make up one of the five stock of Igbos.

So let's agree I am Igbo based on your conclusion.

can you now answer the question below:
Do you agree with Ooni that Ife is actually the Origin and source of the Igbos?

Yes or No?

Point me to where the Ooni said that Igbos originated in Ife?

Such claims will be heretical

Hellraiser77:
Nowhere did the Ooni state that Igbos descended from anybody

It would have been an abomination to the very throne to say that.

Obatala himself who the Yoruba deified was an Igbo ruler in Ife, be calm and keep an open mind while reading the statement and watching the video, you will pick out insights

I have lots of other evidence that doesn't involve the Ooni, but since you are bent on twisting facts there's no need to bring it forth.

Metaphysical also knows this truth of Igbo origins of Ife but he doesn't really like discussing it much

Lol my guy don dey change mouth.

Your own evidence was used against you. You can't even assimilate the content of what you are posting and you're even ridiculing the Igbo nation more.

TAO11:
I’ll wait patently for the evidence of where the Ooni of Ife said that the Yoruba people of Ife met the Igbo people in Ife.

However, what we find the Ooni saying — on the Mr hand — is that [b]t/b].

cc: LegendHero

You are now the new Babaramotu1980 Clown of thread

Point me to where it was mentioned that the Igbo people or Nri are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife from whom they mastered Ifa before they then descended into the evil-forest

Hellraiser77:
Nowhere did the Ooni state that Igbos descended from anybody

It would have been an abomination to the very throne to say that.

Obatala himself who the Yoruba deified was an Igbo ruler in Ife, be calm and keep an open mind while reading the statement and watching the video, you will pick out insights

I have lots of other evidence that doesn't involve the Ooni,but since you are bent on twisting facts there's no need to bring it forth.

Metaphysical also knows this truth of Igbo origins of Ife but he doesn't really like discussing it much

Are you dumb or something??

Did you not read that your Igbo ancestors USED TO BE in Ife before they were kicked out to the Igbo land they now occupy in Eastern Nigeria??

So, how is that rocket science for you to know that the Igbos of today’s eastern Nigeria descended from the Yoruba people of Ife — according to Oba Adeyeye??

cc: LegendHero

Hellraiser77:
Point me to where the Ooni said that Igbos originated in Ife?

Such claims will be heretical

Below is your own word and the question you asked Tao:
Do you doubt the assertion made by the Ooni that early yoruba ancestors met an ancient stock of Igbos in Ile Ife?


See the quote below, your last statement!

Hellraiser77:
Tao11 the Fraudlent wannabe-historian I can't keep going in perpetual circles of meaningless Argument with you
You are now starting to sound rather confused and Disillusioned

I have categorically and satisfactorily proven that ile Ife and the Oduduwa fables was only important to very few Yoruba [b] communities before the 20th century, hang in there I will set you free soon, just one more topic to go

DO you doubt the assertion made by the Ooni that early yoruba ancestors met an ancient stock of Igbos in Ile Ife? screenshot below

Hellraiser77:
You are now the new Babaramotu1980 Clown of thread

Point me to where it was mentioned that the Igbo people or Nri are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife from whom they mastered Ifa before they then descended into the evil-forest

Now you’re claiming that Nri aren’t Igbos??

And if you aren’t, then please continue stand in solidarity with the Ooni of Ife who stated that the Igbos are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife.

Or did you stop standing in solidarity with this statement from the Ooni??

LegendHero:


Lol my guy don dey change mouth.

Your own evidence was used against you. You can't even assimilate the content of what you are posting and you're even ridiculing the Igbo nation more.

You have nothing to say here again apart from your usual small minded trash

Go and read The Moremi stories of Ife tonight, Ife is really and extension of igbo land leased to the yoruba on arrival from kogi state

» Columns » The Orbit » Ooni of Ife and the Igbo-Yoruba relationship
Ooni of Ife and the Igbo-Yoruba relationship
ON AUGUST 11, 20193:05 AMIN THE ORBIT

By Obi Nwakanma


The Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi recently opened a longstanding debate about the relationship between the Igbo and the Yoruba, and did affirm that the Igbo were ancient inhabitants of Ife. The Ooni’s asserts that the ancient Igbo connections to Ife is still evident in the traditions preserved in the oral narratives of Ife itself, and in the extant lineages of the Igbo still present in their habitations inside the Ooni’s palace. The Igbo quarters are still present in Ife. What the Ooni brings to this debate is legitimacy, because Yoruba tradition confers the authority of national memory on the office of the Ooni.


The Ooni in a sense validates the accounts of the eminent Nigerian historian and anthropologist, the late Professor Ade Obayemi. Obayemi accounts for a first pavement of culture in what is now known as the cradle of Yoruba origin, but which was once originally settled by the Igbo led by Obatala. This is not a new argument, and the Olugbo of Ugbo’s disputes with the Ooni about an ancient Igbo habitation and displacement is either ignorant or mischievous. The Igbo were the original inhabitants of Ife and had installed, and practiced a culture based on their ancient Odinala religion of peace, of the divine rights of the individual and not of kings, of the protection and validation of the weak and infirm, of an artistic and creative value rather than of war and destruction. All these values are embodied in the myth of Obatala the sculptor and creative “demiurge” of current Yoruba mythology. And of course of he also models the value of the Republic over the monarchy.


The Igbo had been marked by the multiplicity of their settlements in Ile-Ife which the Igbo know by its more ancient name as “Igbo-Omoku.” As a matter of fact, Obatala was a High Priest in the mold of the Igbo priesthood, like the EzeNri, and aspects of this priestly function was absorbed by the Ooni who equally then also absorbed the monarchical order that replaced the Igbo republican order of the Obatala era. The current Ile-Ife is therefore a hybrid system between the displaced Igbo culture and the settler order that replaced it. The war over Ife between the Igbo and the new wave of migrants to Ife was over two different ways of life: the freedom associated with the Republic or the order and control associated the monarchy.

Obatala’s group was defeated, and was driven into exile, and scattered into places including as far as Ketu, and places as far as what we call Dahomey and Togo today. The republic disappeared and the monarchy as embodied by Oduduwa replaced it. The rivalry between the Igbo and the Yoruba continue to mirror this. The wars the Igbo levied consistently against the new settlers is preserved and enacted even today in the Yoruba Egungun festivals, the Oreluere, the Obameri, the Moremi and the Edi festivals. The eminent modernist playwright, Femi Osofisan, gives a new sheen to it in his play, Morountodun, based on the Moremi myth. The Egungun festival is preserved as the Yoruba Festival of liberation from the marauding and masked Igbo “Egwugwu warriors.”

The Obatala festival celebrates the canonization of the era of peace as embodied by Obatala and the Igbo, at a time of national regret, years later, when the Yoruba began to rue the tyranny of Kings in their new order, and regret the loss of the period of peace and creativity of the old order represented by the Igbo. They turned and memorialized the leader of the Igbo, Obatala, into a god, and the period of Igbo culture as the highest moment of creative fluorescence in the Yoruba world. The Ifa preserves this for us. And to this day, the Yoruba inhabit two souls: there is the fiercely republican Yoruba, many of whom find close affinity with the Igbo, and there is the Yoruba monarchist, who fiercely defends the settled order of kings. But that is as far as the Ooni’s knowledge of the Igbo situation in Ife goes.


There is an alternative narrative tradition that says the Igbo themselves in their wave of migration following Amadioha’s destruction of the ancient world met an even older settlement in Ife of people whom they absorbed and protected and introduced to a settled and peaceful way of existence. What this story points to us is that human migration – settlements and resettlements have remained a constant in man’s development and search for security.


That is why the evolving story of the Fulani herdsmen today is interesting and complex. The Ooni suggests that the Igbo moved from Ile-Ife to their current settlements in Igbo land. That is not true. In fact archeological evidence proves that a place like Igbo-Ukwu is a much older settlement than Ife. So in fact, in current Igbo historiography, and assessment of their movements, Ife is a newer settlement of the Igbo, and may have been part of a wave of migration leading to a pavement of Igbo history following an ancient catastrophe.


There are many hypothesis of these settlements, and there is no doubt that the Yoruba and the Igbo are close and related. The language and the cultural patterns suggest points of very recent contacts and break-offs. The Idu – the Benin – is the medial culture between the Igbo and the Yoruba. Indeed, the Benin suggest that Izoduwa was Oduduwa, and they know precisely when he left Ani-Idu (Benin City). So, who indeed are these people? There is the Nok hypothesis which suggests a coagulation that broke off at the Niger-Benue valley, with the Jukun, the Igbo, the Yoruba and the Igala, and possibly the Idu, moving apart into their current settlements.


There is the Igbo-Nupe-Yoruba hypothesis of a movement from Egypt, through the crags of Air, that settled in their current locations. Indeed, two studies published by the English colonial anthropologist, M.D.W. Jeffreys, “The Winged Solar Disk, or the Ibo Itchi Scarification Marks” (1951), and “A Triad of gods in Africa,” (1972) explore and affirm these links, and the possible Egyptian origin of the Igbo, and their worship of the Sun god. The Igbo still call their first-born sons, “Opa- RA” (priest of the Sun-God, RA). MDW Jeffreys identifies in the symbols of the “Ichi” scarifications carved into the forehead and cheeks of the Igbo titled aristocracy, Ndi Nze, the “sun, moon and the wings and tail of the hawk” and the ram-headed symbol of the “Ikenga,” as associated with ancient Egypt, particularly the winged solar disk symbol of Pharaoh Usertsen III.


The problem is that Jeffrey thought the circulation of the symbols were from Usertsen’s conquest of Nubia and the lands of the Meroetic ridge, and may thus have been, rather than of Igbo origin, of a specific Egyptian colonial origin. MDW Jeffrey writes that the resemblance of the Egyptian symbols has an amazingly close resemblance with the Nri-Igbo symbol, and raises the question of who may have borrowed from the other, and concludes that there is no evidence in Igbo of an independent invention of the symbol. This is profoundly inaccurate, of course, because of Jeffery’s project of attempting to sustain an idea of Egyptian cultural priority, or hegemony, and possibly maintain the fiction of a lack of cultural agency in Sub-Sahara Africa until it was brought from outside, a fiction that has long now been put to rest by works done by the likes of Cheik Anta Diop. There is no doubt that the Egyptian symbols may have Igbo origins. The Igbo stories claim that the Igbo once ruled the world and destroyed it.


They may have founded Egypt. The Igbo consider Igbo land, “Ala-Nso” and established the code of Eje-Alo. They are great travelers, but they always return, following the path of the Sun. Even the Egyptian priests, guardians of the Kemetic gnosis affirmed in their teachings to Solon, the culture patriarch of the Athenians, that they had preserved in their temples, nine thousands years to the day Solon asked the question, the ancient knowledge of a people by the great Atlantic who had been destroyed in their quest to conquer the known world. The Igbo themselves have the story of Kamalu, who took the impudent title “Amadioha” – and who destroyed the ancient world, and was himself blown to smithereens as he and his scientists experimented with “orisha-Akalum” or the “ore of the heavens,” or “Igwe” in his bid to create a powerful, all-conquering weapon of war. Amadioha’s recklessness remains a cautionary tale among the Igbo to this day, and you often hear the Igbo say, “onye emena ihe Ike” (let no one mess with energy), or “Anyi maara dowe ike” (We know the secret laws of energy, we just sealed it that no one should use it). That ancient secret was unraveled by Einstein, and thus the Atomic bomb.


Following Amadioha’s heresy, the Igbo abrogated the making of kings, forbade human sacrifice, and established a religion of peace. They dispersed in great numbers from their ancient habitations by the Atlantic in search of new habitations. Obatala and his group settled in Ife. And the story of these great Igbo settlements traverse the world. There are five sub-nations of the Igbo: the Agbaja, the Oru, the Isu, the Nri, and the Idu. That is why they say, “Isee!” or “Ihi aa!” at the end of the kolanut ritual that commemorates this filial unity, and its invocation of peace, and its summoning of the ancestral spirit. The Idu, who call themselves Benin today, are part of the larger Igbo, and are possibly the bridge with the Yoruba. The value of Ooni Enitan’s assertion is the necessity for strategic collaboration between these groups who must understand that the Igbo, Yoruba, Igala, Nupe, Jukun, and so many of the cultures in the West and Central West Africa have so much more in common, and must work together for their own security and prosperity. Of that, I endorse.

TAO11:
Now you’re claiming that Nri aren’t Igbos??

And if you aren’t, then please continue stand in solidarity with the Ooni of Ife who stated that the Igbos are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife.

Or did you stop standing in solidarity with this statement from the Ooni??

Your Egos have been bruised by your Oonis revelation I understand what you must be feeling

LegendHero:


Below is your own word and the question you asked Tao:
Do you doubt the assertion made by the Ooni that early yoruba ancestors met an ancient stock of Igbos in Ile Ife?


See the quote below, your last statement!

Your point being?

Hellraiser77:
Chai!!!, Tao11 and legendhero are battling so hard to save the soul of their ife

IFE which really is the Igbo word for Daylight in contrast with the lowlight of the forest and it's thick canopy that Igbos liked better.

Going by your lame logic, “Igbo” likewise means “[evil] forest“ in Yorubaland, hence the idea that the Ife people chased your ancestors into the evil forest is perfectly valid! Huh??

Hellraiser77:
Your point being?

My point being that you initially agreed to the fact that the Igbos descended from Ife (Oni statement).

Then why are you changing mouth now.

At least I just showed you your reply in your own quote.

Hellraiser77:
Your point being?

Somebody is about to start miming Shakespeare??

cc: LegendHero

Hellraiser77:
Your Egos have been bruised by your Oonis revelation I understand what you must be feeling

Where he said that your Igbo ancestors are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife??

[bs

TAO11:
Are you dumb or something??

Did you not read that your Igbo ancestors USED TO BE in Ife before they were kicked out to the Igbo land they now occupy in Eastern Nigeria??

So, how is that rocket science for you to know that the Igbos of today’s eastern Nigeria descended from the Yoruba people of Ife — according to Oba Adeyeye??

cc: LegendHero

[/s] You Ife fable is now without any defense
A group of Igbo people has now been proven to be your forefathers

So this people rejected the sophisticated republican civilisation brought by the Igbos to Ife and went for monarchy. They left peaceful, republican structure and opted for monarchy. And when Obatala and his group was exiled and the Savage wars of ego began, they rued the peace Igbo through Obatala represents. They even made him a deity and started worshiping him.

Legendhero, do you still worship this Igbo god till this moment?