It is an abomination for an oba in yoruba land to bow to greet his subjects chiefs included

Mtcheeew... Irrelevance

The oba is only onikoyi of Ikoyi, a hamlet town while Iba Gani Adams is the Aare ona kakanfo of the whole Yoruba land.......it's just the way I see it sha, I might be wrong

ajailer:
The oba is only onikoyi of Ikoyi, a hamlet town while Iba Gani Adams is the Aare ona kakanfo of the whole Yoruba land.......it's just the way I see it sha, I might be wrong

The way you see it is wrong

No matter how small a king is he or she can’t bow to a mere glorified chief in yoruba land

ajailer:
The oba is only onikoyi of Ikoyi, a hamlet town while Iba Gani Adams is the Aare ona kakanfo of the whole Yoruba land.......it's just the way I see it sha, I might be wrong

Even the sitting arrangement tells the story...

sarrki:



The way you see it is wrong

No matter how small a king is he or she can’t bow to a mere glorified chief in yoruba land

If we should look back to history, Ikoyi at the beginning was a hamlet and the highest man was a Baale. I guess enlightenment and the need to be relevant was why the title of Baale was upgraded to an Oba, but Aare ona kakanfo has always been what it has been power wise from the beginning. I believe the title of Oba now being given to the Onikoyi is just a glorified Baale. Another thing to look at is the sitting arrangement in the picture, it shows that the Onikoyi is a subject of the Aare ona kakanfo.

It's my opinion sha.

Go and read more about the Yoruba 'rich' history. Onikoyi actually did the right thing here. No hommo!

Crying more than the bereaved,
The "Oba" who knows customs and history of the tradition seems happy to be doing all that he did.

See his smiles.

It's like saying one the president of one small African country should not respect the Prime Minister of Britain.

I'm just saying.

Nigerians would rationalize their birthrights and inheritance away.

ajailer:
The oba is only onikoyi of Ikoyi, a hamlet town while Iba Gani Adams is the Aare ona kakanfo of the whole Yoruba land.......it's just the way I see it sha, I might be wrong

I think the Oba must have consulted the high-ups to understand which title is superior to the other before acknowledging through a bow.

Sometimes, appearance may be deceptive

sarrki:
It is an abomination for an oba in yoruba land to bow to greet his subjects chiefs included

Are is bigger than some Kings

There is nothing abominable here Mr sarrki

googi:
Nigerians would rationalize their birthrights and inheritance away.

Did I tell you that I am a prince that you are mentioning birthright or is my father a king that you are talking about inheritance?

I guess you don't know where Ikoyi is otherwise you won't talk this or you think it is the Ikoyi in Lagos State?

It is an abomination until money enter

All I know is "Aroni ni o wale onikoyi o sinmi ogun'lo"
Yoruba is beautiful Sha

After Ooni and Alaafin of Oyo is Aare Ona Kakanfo

Corrected...!

slavery a form of lifestyle for those creatures over there anything to prostrate like lizards on heat period is welcome bunch of back stabbers

After Ooni and Alaafin of Oyo is Aare Onaa Kakanfo in the Yoruba traditional hierarchy

sarrki:



The way you see it is wrong

No matter how small a king is he or she can’t bow to a mere glorified chief in yoruba land

Aare is only subject to Ooni, Alafin and every other children of oduduwa, every other baales and kings that come after aren't powerful to summon Aare, if you don't know something, is better you ask or keep your mouth shut

IamWonderful:
Aare is only subject to Ooni, Alafin and every other children of oduduwa, every other baales and kings that come after aren't powerful to summon Aare, if you don't know something, is better you ask or keep your mouth shut

You lack historical teachings

Above all you lack basic reasoning

The Aare is the fieldmarshal/Generalissimo of the Yoruba race cutting accross towns, cities and states.

A king in his own rights, only subject to the Alaafin, he mustn't bow to any other principality except the Alaafin.

His title is Iba so as not to be confused with Oba

The Onikoyis were guards/warriors called Esho in Yoruba, in hierarchy, the Aare supersedes the Onikoyis who were traditionally war chiefs

ZKOSOSO:
After Ooni and Oyo is Aare Onaa Kakanfo in the Yoruba traditional hierarchy

I disagree totally


There is nowhere in our history that states such

Reason why history must be taught at all levels of our educational system

Political chiefs.

sarrki:



You lack historical teachings

Above all you lack basic reasoning

I guess your "historical teaching and basic reasoning" made you frivolous and mischievous.

sarrki:



The way you see it is wrong

No matter how small a king is he or she can’t bow to a mere glorified chief in yoruba land

No, the are ona kakanfo wields more power in the Yoruba empire than any other tittle, he controls the whole millitary structure of the Yoruba empire, that is why he is prevented from residing near the empire capital (Oyo alafin), after him is the bashorun, the alafin is being checked by the Oyo messi's, which bashorun is the leader, and the Oyo messi's are being checked by the ogboni cult, the are onokakanfo controls the seventy ESO of the alafin, which are respected individuals, of which timi of ede town is inclusive, but no one check the are ona kakanfo, this is the reason why the are is not allow near the alafin palace, to prevent treason, the Yoruba empire was able to stand strong for centuries because of these check on power, if a strong alafin rules, it will be replace by a weak one, and on like that, and the Oyo mesi's may compel the alafin to commit suicide, if he is not wanted by the people, most obas are under the alafin, except the oni of ife, cause that's where the first alafin hails from (oranmiyan), and it is forbidden to wage war on the alafin or the oni, because those are the ruling head, I'm not saying bowing to are is right, but cinsidering the power the are wields, it's not surprising.

I am a native of Oyo town, of the balogun clan, that's why I know all these

ZKOSOSO:
After Ooni is Ona Kakanfo

The first alafin may be the last born of oduduwa, but he had a right at ife, he left his brothers to create Oyo, because they quarreled, and since the forming of Oyo, he conquered a lot of land, with alafins like sango and subsequent one, they make the Yoruba land a great empire, one of the few empire that exist in the history of the world, the alafins did many exploit in terms of battle and where the one that make the Yoruba nation the greatness it has, there was discipline and culture, and a fearless and pride cavalry, who never condones defeat, it is either you conquer in a battle, or allow the enemy to kill you, if you return home unvictorious you shall be killed, with this principle the Yoruba empire was able to stand, now tell me where was the onI, when the alafin's are doing these exploits. you said after the onI is the are ona kakanfo, not putting into consideration that the are ona kakanfo is the idea of the alafin, who is more commited to seeing to the welfare of the people, he created ede town for this purpose, likewise illorin, the alafin has been the one seeing to the welfare of the whole of yoruba kingdom from time immemorial, although he is the last born of oduduwa, now tell me, where are the oni's who are his elders, when he was doing these, he was also the one that suggested fighting the Fulani's that insulted their father, before fight ensued on the way and he left to create Oyo town, ever since then the alafin has been seeing to the affair of the Yoruba kingdom, and not even the onI can wage war against them as ife is under the protection of the alafin, even laying a curse on any are ona kakanfo that will attack ile ife or Oyo town, cause power is given to the are by the alafin, although one did it, which leads to the decline of the Yoruba empire, but the are ona kakanfo that did it died miserably. And the aremo that compelled the are to do it, was also forced to commit suicide by the are ona kakanfo, such is the power given to the are ona kakanfo by the alafin.

illicit:
The Aare is the fieldmarshal/Generalissimo

A king in his own rights, only subject to the Alaafin, he mustn't bow to any other principality except the Alaafin.

His title is Iba so as not to be confused with Oba

The Onikoyis were guards/warriors called Esho in Yoruba, in hierarchy, the Aare supersedes the Onikoyis who was traditionally a war chief

You are right, most obas and Yoruba town are war chiefs and military outpost of old Oyo empire, illorin inclusive

You are certainly right about one thing. I was thinking about Ikoyi, Lagos.

But my brother, does it have to be? Do you have to be a Prince, a Chief or a king to point out what is wrong?

Yoruba etiquette and standard are falling because we are being infected with the rest of Nigeria.

I was only appealing to your cultural value regardless of your blood and state.

My apologies.

ajailer:


Did I tell you that I am a prince that you are mentioning birthright or is my father a king that you are talking about inheritance?

I guess you don't know where Ikoyi is otherwise you won't talk this or you think it is the Ikoyi in Lagos State?

Brooklynsouth:
slavery a form of lifestyle for those creatures over there anything to prostrate like lizards on heat period is welcome bunch of back stabbers

Take sniper away from this one b4 we hear story that touches the heart.

Because Gani Adams I s not a Buhari asslicker, Sarrki allowed hate for the man to becloud his sense of reasoning.

I'm not Yoruba, but as soon as I saw the topic, I knew it must have to do with something about the Aare thingy.

frankyychiji:
Because Gani Adams I s not a Buhari asslicker, Sarrki allowed hate for the man to becloud his sense of reasoning.

I'm not Yoruba, but as soon as I saw the topic, I knew it must have to do with something about the Aare thingy.

You see your reasoning shay ?

sarrki:
It is an abomination for an oba in yoruba land to bow to greet his subjects chiefs included

Let me try to explain.

Gani Adams is the Alaafin of Oyo's Aare Oona Kakanfo ( Chief War General and representative of Alaafin) that makes him the next most Powerful man traditionally after the Alaafin among ethnic Oyo.
The Onikoyi is Originally of Oyo Origin and From the Ikoyi Military Class (Alafins Cava!rymen)

The Aare Oona Kankanfo is traditionally the General Commanding Officer of the Ikoyi Military Class.
and because as a Yoruba Chief Onikoyi understands the hierarchy that is why he is being courteous.

sarrki:



The way you see it is wrong

No matter how small a king is he or she can’t bow to a mere glorified chief in yoruba land

Unless that ọba is a glorified new ọba, and there are many new ọbas like that across Yorubaland since baalẹs were promoted.