Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by HeavenShield: 8:46pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Righteousness89: The Government of the Day should be apply wisdom , Take off their Hands from the Church and not make Mockery of themselves..
It's Unbiblical! Unscriptural , Demonic , Occultic and Satanic..
The Presidency should be well advised! You don't Start a War you Cannot Finish.
It's Foolishness to think or try in any Form to Fight against the Church of God.
It Foolishness to start a Fight against your Creator.
It Does not End Well...
Haman Tried it Pharoah Tried it Nebuchadnezzar Tried it..
We are Still in the Seasons of Judgement. Many Have Gone!
Any Mere Creature that Tries will Go like Others..
Don't mind them, they do not know that they are mere firewood for� They would be burned by � if they try nonsense 1 Like |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by israelp(m): 8:47pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
JESUS WILL BUILD HIS CHURCH AND THE GATE HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT. I love dis verse how cn a human fight his creator??itz nt possible,even d devil has try for years,upto today she's stil fighting n hv nt succed GOD IS GOD u cannot fight him,unles u want to comit suicide |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by seguno2: 8:49pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
SaintLucia: U can't even see two mosques side by side in a street. On Friday, the smaller mosques will be closed and all Muslims will proceed to the central mosque to pray something which u can't see in Christianity on Sunday. Every pastor believed say his or her church is the best, hence the reason why u see seven to eight churches in a street, all because of money. A Muslim whether shitte or Sunni can enter any mosque and pray but a Catholic cannot even worship in a celestial church neither will a Baptist worship in Cherubim. The koko be say u can't make money in a mosque but u can make cool cash if u have your own church. The CAMA law is not different from what we have in Europe and America and pastor like Oyedepo respect the law over there. The law is for all religion that mismanage the financial income of their institutions including NGOs. Is it that you are a liar or just an overconfident ignoramus 1 Like |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by kelmicheal: 8:52pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
If Churches can be controlled by pastors, bishop,Reverend and co then why not Government? They are all human beings not God or Spirit |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Nobody: 8:52pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
truthfulparrot: I am just thinking aloud. Is this new law not affecting Muslims too?
Why is MURIC not protesting? What if this law was introduced during Jonathan regime? How will MURIC react if Jonathan signed a law that gave government the authority to remove the Imams of any mosque?
Would CAN oppose this law if it was enacted during Jonathan's regime?
The fact is that religious inclinations has blocked the rational thinking of most Nigerians.
My honest take is that people should have the freedom to practice their religious beliefs without discrimination or government interference.
If you are a Muslim or Christian, do you call those who practice traditional religion derogatory names like pagans and idol worshippers?
Religion is really the "weed"" of the people!
" My honest take is that people should have the freedom to practice their religious beliefs without discrimination or government interference" This should be your conclusion. Government should not detect what the church does. |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by israelp(m): 8:53pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
seguno2:
Is it that you are a liar or just an overconfident ignoramus ask am well 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by dallyemmy: 8:54pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
[CAMA NO DEY FOR TRADITIONAL RELIGIONS TOO/ IDOL WORSHIPPERS?
PEOPLE DEY CARRY SACRIFICES LIKE COW, GOAT, FOWL AND MONI GO GIVE DEM TOO NA....
DEN NOR NEED REGULATION ABI?
OR CORRUPTION NOR FIT DEY THERE TOO....
OR GOVERNMENT NOR WAN CONTROL DEM TOO.
MAKE DEN START WITH TRADITIONAL RELIGION FIRST...
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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by israelp(m): 8:58pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
kelmicheal: If Churches can be controlled by pastors, bishop,Reverend and co then why not Government? They are all human beings not God or Spirit so u want dis bad govtm to control churches too?? NAWA FOR U O |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Preacherrr(m): 8:59pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
[quote author=SUPERPACK post=93041383]The church should create their own country then.[Why not shut up before you attract the wrath of God upon yourself. After the ascension of Christ, the government tried to regulate the activity of the church. They told the apostles not to witness anymore about the resurrection of Jesus nor about the name of Jesus. But the apostles maintained that it is better to obey God than to obey man. Your government and many other governments of other nations want the Church to obey man rather than God. You inclusive; you want they Church to obey man rather than God. Don't let the God of the Church fight you! Be warned!
JESUS IS LORD!!! 1 Like |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Dreal1247: 9:01pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
NoContract:
What exactly the fv.ckk is the meaning of a carnal mind? It is for matured Christians. |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by israelp(m): 9:01pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
dallyemmy: CAMA NO DEY FOR TRADITIONAL RELIGIONS TOO/ IDOL WORSHIPPERS?
PEOPLE DEY CARRY SACRIFICES LIKE COW, GOAT, FOWL AND MONI GO GIVE DEM TOO NA....
OR CORRUPTION NOR FIT DEY THERE TOO....
OR GOVERNMENT NOR WAN CONTROL DEM TOO.
YEYE DEY SMELL... haha u forget say habalist n politcian na one,juju nr get mercy o 1 Like |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Christian07(m): 9:04pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
How can a non-Christian head of government ministry be the one to determine the running of the church?
Some people saw this but busy commenting nonsense |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Nobody: 9:06pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Truvel: There Is A Limit Dey Can Go With Their Laws Abt Christian, If Dey Go Beyond Their Limits, Den U Would See D Other Side Of God. I Know What I'm Saying. According to Jesus (the man who instituted Christianity) his followers are to "give Caesar's things to Caesar and God's thing to God" {Matthew 22:21} he told them "if someone in authority makes demands from you, give them without hesitation" {Matthew 5:41-42} after Jesus' ascension to heaven Apostle Paul told Christians to be obedient to those in the authorities {Romans 13:1-4} the only reason Christians can object is if those in the authorities demands for our worship! Daniel 3:18; Act 5:28-29 This is not about the church, it's the new law in the land so if other religionsists agree to live by the law of the land whoever objects (without a sharp contrast against Jesus' rule) is not a Christian! 1 Like |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Preacherrr(m): 9:09pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
[/color]SUPERPACK: The church should create their own country then. SUPERPACK: The church should create their own country then.[Why not shut up before you attract the wrath of God upon yourself. After the ascension of Christ, the government tried to regulate the activity of the church. They told the apostles not to witness anymore about the resurrection of Jesus nor about the name of Jesus. But the apostles maintained that it is better to obey God than to obey man. Your government and many other governments of other nations want the Church to obey man rather than God. You inclusive; you want they Church to obey man rather than God. Don't let the God of the Church fight you! Be warned!
JESUS IS LORD!!![color=#006600][quote author=SUPERPACK post=93041383]The church should create their own country then. SUPERPACK: The church should create their own country then.[Why not shut up before you attract the wrath of God upon yourself. After the ascension of Christ, the government tried to regulate the activity of the church. They told the apostles not to witness anymore about the resurrection of Jesus nor about the name of Jesus. But the apostles maintained that it is better to obey God than to obey man. Your government and many other governments of other nations want the Church to obey man rather than God. You inclusive; you want they Church to obey man rather than God. Don't let the God of the Church fight you! Be warned!
JESUS IS LORD!!! [quote author=SUPERPACK post=93041383]The church should create their own country then.[quote author=SUPERPACK post=93041383]The church should create their own country then.[ Why not shut up before you attract the wrath of God upon yourself. After the ascension of Christ, the government tried to regulate the activity of the church. They told the apostles not to witness anymore about the resurrection of Jesus nor about the name of Jesus. But the apostles maintained that it is better to obey God than to obey man. Your government and many other governments of other nations want the Church to obey man rather than God. You inclusive; you want they Church to obey man rather than God. Don't let the God of the Church fight you! Be warned! JESUS IS LORD!!! 1 Like |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Omooba77: 9:10pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Coronavirus1:
Yes we have to start from somewhere
No problem...... |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by CoolAmbience(m): 9:11pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
techmo:
Nonsense and ingredient... So CAN wants to tell us there are no Christians out of the over 400 National Assembly Lawmakers during the first and second reading, or the Public hearing of the bill
. These CAN people are really unwell. Does this new Act not affect the mosque as well? Why are they crying as though they are the only religion in Nigeria? Imagine them justifying that because government did not contribute a dime in the setting up of churches, hence cannot control / regulate it. Did government contribute to the setting up of countless other organizations that they not only regulate but also impose various taxes on? Who CAN epp? |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Christian07(m): 9:11pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Maximus69:
According to Jesus (the man who instituted Christianity) his followers are to "give Caesar's things to Caesar and God's thing to God" {Matthew 22:21} he told them "if someone in authority makes demands from you, give them without hesitation" {Matthew 5:41-42} after Jesus' ascension to heaven Apostle Paul told Christians to be obedient to those in the authorities {Romans 13:1-4} the only reason Christians can object is if those in the authorities demands for our worship! Daniel 3:18; Act 5:28-29
This is not about the church, it's the new law in the land so if other religionsists agree to live by the law of the land whoever objects (without a sharp contrast against Jesus' rule) is not a Christian!
Dis isn’t demand this is control |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Nasir123(m): 9:14pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Thescienceprof:
Stop exposing your bigotry. Yes, there are Christians in the National Assembly but they aren't up to the required numbers to stop the bill. They had their say but the satanic majority had their way. Hope you get it. There's an agenda going on and if you can't see it, just pass by, unless you are part of the agenda Read the bolded again if it make sense to you. Una go just dey talk anyhow! |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by israelp(m): 9:15pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
CoolAmbience:
These CAN people are really unwell.
Does this new Act not affect the mosque as well?
Why are they crying as though they are the only religion in Nigeria?
Imagine them justifying that because government did not contribute a dime in the setting up of churches, hence cannot control / regulate it. Did government contribute to the setting up of countless other organizations that they not only regulate but also impose various taxes on?
Who CAN epp?
who ur govtm epp? 1 Like |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by geoffez: 9:17pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
truthfulparrot: I am just thinking aloud. Is this new law not affecting Muslims too?
Why is MURIC not protesting? What if this law was introduced during Jonathan regime? How will MURIC react if Jonathan signed a law that gave government the authority to remove the Imams of any mosque?
Would CAN oppose this law if it was enacted during Jonathan's regime?
The fact is that religious inclinations has blocked the rational thinking of most Nigerians.
My honest take is that people should have the freedom to practice their religious beliefs without discrimination or government interference.
If you are a Muslim or Christian, do you call those who practice traditional religion derogatory names like pagans and idol worshippers?
Religion is really the "weed"" of the people!
No vex ohh,you smoke cold weed before commenting? Bcs don't know what concern Jonathan with this law,Why not government take control of all the companies that abuse there workers,they're just only interested in churches alone why?.When you want to talk,think deep and stop think like a new born babe. The pastors in qoute grew the church from.nothing to something without any loan nor support from the government,then you'll just wake to give them system of service and worship. When people criticize churches for not helping masses,where did you all get all this fake info,most of the orphanages in Nigeria are run by churches,majority of children been displaced by boko-haram,do you know how many winners have on them,redeem,omega fire,deeper life,Catholic,Anglican,Methodist,just few. How many is mosque taking care of? Do thorough research before criticizing churches,stop qoating misleading lies ok.
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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by FRANKOSKI(m): 9:18pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
MANY FOUGHT GOD AND LOST, BUHARI WILL BE ON THE LIST OF THEM SOON. |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by OBA117(m): 9:20pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Government doesn't have any business on how churches should run their affairs...They can't control themselves and now they want to control churches. What is their business with that? 2 Likes |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Yobabad: 9:21pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Empiree: You are uneducated religious bigot. Read intelligent comment above yours. What the poster above you said was the reason for this not religious discrimination. Get a life, boy. . Naturally I don't reply decievers and liers like you, you must be a yorubastard local mus.lime I guess |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Nasir123(m): 9:22pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by stormborn28(m): 9:26pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
SUPERPACK: The church should create their own country then. no. It is the people that make the government.. Without the people no government.. All I can say is that the government should trend carefully |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Nasir123(m): 9:27pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
LoveJesus87: you very clearly have critical mental problem. You should be in mental asylum seriously speaking assuming we have a functioning system. Why couldn't you just keep quiet and cover your shame of stupidity. You are a waste to this world. Even if you are not a Christian, you can't think for once Pls don't quote me. Just go and hang yourself. I don't exchange words with mad people. God forbid And you call yourself a Christian Na wao! 1 Like |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Nobody: 9:32pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Christian07:
Dis isn’t demand this is control Exactly! Jesus said "we must obey Caesar" What Jesus asked Christians is to preach and teach, this doesn't involves huge cash so there is no law those in authority can make that could affect Christians apart from depriving them to preach! Act 5:28-29 |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Jaapu: 9:37pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Marine54: The govt should reverse the law immediately, CHURCH IS NOT Hotels and Bars that can be regulate and cotrol by the govt. CHURCH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST, IT CAN NOT BE CONTROL BY ANYONE ... Its written on this rock I will build MY Church, and the gate hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18✓ Which of the church....indaboski pahose church too follow so? |
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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Nasir123(m): 9:38pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Endurance28:
*CAMA 2020* Pls read the submission of King Arthur, Esq with an open mind.
*Suspension of Trustees and Appointment of Interim Manager(s)*
Section 839 (1) empowers the Commission to suspend trustees of an association and appoint interim managers to manage the affairs of the association where it reasonably believes that-
(a) There is or has been misconduct or mismanagement in the administration of the association;
(b) it is necessary or desirable for the purpose of;
i. Protecting the property of the association
ii. Securing a proper application for the property of the association towards achieving the objects of the association, the purpose of the associationof that property or of the property coming to the association,
iii. Public interest; or
(c) the affairs of the association are being run fraudulently.
By the foregoing provision, the Commission can lawfully suspend the trustees of an association on the grounds stated above. If the subsection were to end there, the concerns of unbridled power raised would have been justified, but it does not end there.
Subsection 2 provides as follows:
1. The trustees shall be suspended by an order of Court upon the petition of the Commission or Members consisting of one-fifth of the association, and the petitioners shall present all reasonable evidence or such evidence as requested by the Court in respect of the petition.
Subsection 2 therefore expressly provides for –
A. Who has the locus to suspend the Trustees?
Answer: The Commission and the Members of the association in question.
B. What are the Conditions Precedent before the action for suspension can be heard?
Answer: A petition detailing grounds of a breach as stated above, reasonable evidence, and with Members – a quorum of one-fifth.
C. How can the Trustees be suspended?
Answer: By an Order of Court.
This provision is not ambiguous.
Thus, the discretion of the Commission in its “reasonable belief” is still subject to the approval of the Court, the likelihood of arbitrariness by the Commission in subsection 1 is curtailed by subsection 2; if the Commission (or members) acts outside Sub 2, it is null and void.The Registrar General cannot just wake up on the wrong side of the bed as being touted and suspend the Trustees. The law is not subjective to sleep positions. It is the Law. There are grounds for which evidence must be adduced by people recognized by law to obtain an Order of Court before the power conferred can be exercised.
Subsection 3 provides for the hearing of the petition and the appointment of the Interim Managers by the Court with the assistance of the Commission. The Interim managers are designated by the Court or the appointment of any person who cannot do as otherwise instructed without the approval of the Court.
The Court has the final say, not the Commission and not the Members. If the argument against this provision is that of lack of trust in the Judiciary to play its role by law, that is a different conversation altogether.
Good to know. Please, I think you should post this as a Thread. Its going to be interesting. |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Nobody: 9:38pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
VULCAN: CAN is one of the most useless organisations in Nigeria.
An umbrella body of strange bedfellows. Anybody can open a church, even idol worshippers, as long as they send stipends to CAN.
ICAN has more authority over its members than CAN has over its own because ICAN got legal backing to sanction erring members.
Buhari is here to attempt to destroy Christianity. Although God will eventually stop him but for now he has divine backing to make life uncomfortable for those who chose to be more focused on their personal comfort than the well being of the masses in the pews. ... like seroously? |
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by AlphikkaTech: 9:39pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Brandstudio01: So who controls the Church is now more important than dozens of needs pressing the nation and it's citizens?
What could really be wrong with black man?
Abeg jare , I will Design a Professional Logo for your product or Business for 2k Only Shut up, we the Christians don't want that part |