Pristane:


You are very wrong. You don't understand church settings.

Tithes and offering are not even expected from Unbeliever church goers and they eventually payed, they should go and check what tithes and offerings are and how they are managed.

My church account is audited every year and presented to us member. Why must it be revealed to an unbeliever who is not even a member of the congregation?

Every secret agenda of anyone against the church cannot stand.

Does the CAMA applicable to just the churches? Why are you so worried if you have nothing to hide?

martineverest:
but same law exist in us and Europe...slita same law that exempt churches and mosques from paying tax.how come pastors didn't complain about that?

The system in Europe is working but no system is working here, let our government manage our resources perfectly before helping religious bodies...

Finally ,only who want to die signed a negative bill against God.

Of all the problem in Nigeria


Boko haram killing


Etc



Is it how to regulate the "church " that is the most pressing?




The evil under tune is to use wrong laws to silence vocals pastors who speak against the evil of the government

Goke7:


Most nigerian churches do not want to be accountable even to their members parting away with their hard earned resources. Everything is covered using the name of God.

The govt just want these churches to be more accountable

The only church I have seen in Nigeria that has no General Overseer, or General Superintendent, . . . or human founder, and whose congregations are autonomous while they give accounts of their financial contribution to their members in their respective congregations is the Church of Christ! No central purse! They are self-autonomous, though they assist one another when a need arise!

This is one the best thing to happen to Nigeria. I m so happy
Those using church to move our Money to South Africa and others counties will have to explain.

FG is the greatest scammer of all time with high level corruption in every parastatal, yet they want religious organisations to be accountable. If I may ask, for what reason? Who are the govt accountable to? Most people in this country are hypocrite and that's why progress is only a mirage. In days ahead we'll know who is wrecing more havoc to it's citizen, either religious bodies or the govt.

Peace.

The criminality in churches especially by all the failed 419 scammers turned pastors will be thoroughly x-rayed from now on

eaz:
I respond to those querying whether churches are actually regulated abroad. All Nigerian church franchises abroad are regulated by the government. Their audited finances are made public and are verified by the government. Please find examples below:

https://www.thecable.ng/uk-charity-commission-indicts-christ-embassy-of-fraud

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/charity-inquiry-christ-embassy/charity-inquiry-christ-embassy

For those that do not understand, the UK charity commission is the body responsible for ensuring that all registered charities like churches, mosques and NGOs are run transparently.

https://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details?regid=1147718&subid=0 This is Living Faith Church UK audited accounts made public on a website where any church member can access.
https://www.herald.ng/winners-chapel-london-uk-charities-commission-exonerates-living-faith-worldwide/ They were subject of investigation by this same agency some years back and were exonerated.

https://www.thecable.ng/flashback-uk-commission-appointed-interim-managers-mfm-christ-embassy
http://saharareporters.com/2020/08/20/mountain-fire-ministries-still-under-interim-management-%E2%80%94uk-charity-commission This is Mountain of Fire and Miracles story with the same UK Charity commission

https://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?subid=0&regid=1084767
https://www.christiantoday.com/article/pentecostal-churchs-bank-account-frozen-by-charity-commission-amid-serious-regulatory-concern/128877.htm This is RCCG in UK.

https://www.charitydata.ca/charity/the-redeemed-christian-church-of-god-canada-rccg-canada/867372567RR0001/ This is the Charity data for Canada,

If you know any website in Nigeria that can give this kind of data for any religious organisation or NGO, please feel free to share!

when u pipu want to misfire and summersault to introduce wickedness, u will be quoting abroad. But when it comes to us citizens enjoying dividends of democracy that d abroad pipu are enjoying, una type dey turn to deaf and dumb, see no evil hear no evil. u are always referencing abroad only when it comes to making alibi to cover up for wicked deeds. So I won't even bother to try to explain the critical differences and implementation implications between a shithole govt and civilized govt as regards financial audits of Churches. When ur useless govt starts paying unemployment benefits and tax refunds like UK and America does, then we can talk. When ur horrible govt start paying 80% of salaries of citizens who lost their jobs due to Coronavirus pandemic, then we can talk. When ur nonsense govt starts proposing to pay every citizen under 55 years old £10,000 in 2 years (£5K per year), then we can talk. Until den, u and ur evil govt should take ur hands from Churches necks. Let us breathe pls. Abi una wan kill us join all d killings wey una dey do across dis country? D blood neva do una

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-52053914&ved=2ahUKEwjhgOThw6_rAhXlz4UKHRaWAQoQFjABegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw0VpDYwzF4GAch3b_SDHU17&ampcf=1

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/20/government-pay-wages-jobs-coronavirus-rishi-sunak&ved=2ahUKEwjhgOThw6_rAhXlz4UKHRaWAQoQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3tnXaOedP_78bEW2T1pywi&ampcf=1

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-43078920

tope777:


The system in Europe is working but no system is working here, let our government manage our resources perfectly before helping religious bodies...

Finally ,only who want to die signed a negative bill against God.

God will protect government any day any time against any religion. God said be subject to the governing authority because he put it to maintain law and order

post=93102418:
I really do not understand this government o.. are you saying God should give you his financial records.. I know some dumb dumb would come and attack me now ..
Anyway come and buy kids Educational Tablets for your your children to help them stay ahead of their peers view my profile now

Did you say GOD ? You mean your pastor is GOD ?

Igbochief001:

na compare your tithe + offering + seeds to your tax ....which is more

government gives u police , cheap University , fairly functioning hospital that can save your life in emergency , ...what do your church provide again ?

Okay so what’s your point?....is the government not meant to provide those things you have listed... why are you comparing church to the government of a nation?
Is the church designed to do these things?? So all of a sudden the church is our problem that should be accountable .... not the government??

kiddkash:

tell me about it.

BMC crews are the worst

Their 30k have been decimated by inflation yet they're still defending the evil polities and the totally insensitive government!

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

But the FG is scammer in chief of Nigerians

Bishop:



Is Nigeria a sane society like the one's you mentioned, you sef reason am

So Nigeria should remain insane?

post=93102418:
I really do not understand this government o.. are you saying God should give you his financial records.. I know some dumb dumb would come and attack me now ..
Anyway come and buy kids Educational Tablets for your your children to help them stay ahead of their peers view my profile now

Read Romans 13:1-7; 1 Peter 2:13-15 and compare it with Acts 4:19; 5:29. So long the Government's laws does go contrary to the word/will of God.

Churches are responsible for the high cost and scarcity of dollars, mopping up dollars for overseas investment and private jetting, they are frauds in every sense you can imagine.
The fraudulent pastors with No single anointing, just Jesters entertaining their gullible slowpokes.
They are behind most rituals in the country especially in the south west

crackhaus:

Are these churches really registered with the CAC?

Yes, they are.

post=93102418:
I really do not understand this government o.. are you saying God should give you his financial records.. I know some dumb dumb would come and attack me now ..
Anyway come and buy kids Educational Tablets for your your children to help them stay ahead of their peers view my profile now

It's not God that collect and spend the money. Its not God that went to CAC the register. It's man.

aribisala0:


I think your question is disingenuous

No one is "regulating" churches in their spiritual activity

This has to do purely with MONEY and FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY

Charities which is what Churches are ,are subject to all kinds of rules in the USA and these are regulated by various legislation and bodies

e.g the USA has sanctions in place against certain countries like Iran, Cuba etc that means that churches and other Charites in general canot make donations that are prohibited by sanctions

With regard to their Financial activities they are under the purview of the Inland Revenue IRS
https://theconversation.com/trump-says-the-irs-regulates-churches-too-much-heres-why-hes-wrong-77605
In the UK it is the Charities Commission which incidentally has been scrutinizing the activities of several Nigerian churches in the UK

e.g KICC
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/577308/kingsway_international_christian_centre.pdf
Regulatory action taken
The inquiry issued an order on 16 February 2011 under the then section 18 (1) (vi) of the Charities Act 1993
(now section 76 (3) (f) of the Charities Act 2011) to prevent the trustees from entering into any investment
of the charity’s property without the written approval of the commission. The order was discharged on 29
July 2011 after the ex-trustee resigned, and the FSA had obtained a restraining injunction and freezing order
on 11 February 2011 in civil proceedings in which the FSA also sought a restitution order.


Christ Embassy
The Inquiry appointed an interim manager, Rod Weston of Mazars LLP, (the IM) on 6 August 2014 under section 76(3)(g) of the Act to take over the management and administration of the charity to the exclusion of trustees. The trustees were not excluded from performing the religious and/or spiritual functions connected with their roles as Pastors within the charity.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/charity-inquiry-christ-embassy/charity-inquiry-christ-embassy



REDEEMED
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/charity-inquiry-redeemed-christian-church-of-god-rccg-new-life-assembly-house-of-prayer-for-all-nations
https://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/croydon-church-charity-bank-account-1524430
https://www.accountancydaily.co/pastor-religious-charity-must-pay-back-ps50k
ETC

https://insidecroydon.com/2018/05/01/charity-commission-launches-financial-probe-into-tabernacle/


It is clear that the financial activities of many churches lack transparency and often are criminal.

Churches are registered as charities making them exempt from many taxes and so their financial affairs cannot be hidden from the public

Do you know the meaning of disingenuous or you think you know it?

Find a quote from the referenced post below:

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Then answer the simple question and stop the blabs.

Name the agency responsible for regulating churches in the United State of America?

If you need help don't hesitate to ask.

Thank you.

Ratedgang:
. Stop comparing Nigeria with those countries. They have a system that works. You should be more concerned with the killings and hunger in the land.

Sir, so we shouldn't make efforts to put in place system that works because the government is incompetent?

Hmmmmmmmmm

chipet67:


Is Nigeria a sane society?

Should Nigeria remain insane?

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

So personally, how has this government protected you from scam? When the evil "change" government has scammed and is scamming us of wealth recovered, generated and borrowed!

Do you watch the news at all? I guess not... Else, you will see past and present officials of this government being protected even with proven cases against them

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

It also the jobs of government to build 1000 mosque?

Who will regulate the state fund use in building mosques? Because this one is coming from state, not individual fund or group. The Muslims know they are not affected but only EL Rufai invitation got their attention.

Because of radical nature of this government CAMA was born for churches.

Openbusiness:
Oga don't be half clever. CAMA is not the end game. Taxation of religious institutions (Churches especially) is the end game. CAMA is just a means to that end. Once the Federal scammers get their prying eyes into financial inflow of Churches, the next thing they will introduce is taxation. Because your govt is looking for more pockets to rob to maintain their opulent and wasteful lifestyle of living like emperors in the land. So they need more funds. Same way LASG when they got their eyes into how much e-hailing companies were making, next thing na jumbo tax they slammed on them. But the ones they saw they couldn't implement tax on without it backfiring on their head, they shut them down aka Gokada and friends. CAMA is nothing but a step towards taxing religious bodies. Freedom of Worship is a fundamental human rights and religous bodies fall under NON PROFIT organization anywhere in the world. Taxation of religous bodies is equal to religious oppression

hmm

Openbusiness:
when u pipu want to misfire and summersault to introduce wickedness, u will be quoting abroad. But when it comes to us citizens enjoying dividends of democracy that d abroad pipu are enjoying, una type dey turn to deaf and dumb, see no evil hear no evil. u are always referencing abroad only when it comes to making alibi to cover up for wicked deeds. So I won't even bother to try to explain the critical differences and implementation implications between a shithole govt and civilized govt as regards financial audits of Churches. When ur useless govt starts paying unemployment benefits and tax refunds like UK and America does, then we can talk. When ur horrible govt start paying 80% of salaries of citizens who lost their jobs due to Coronavirus pandemic, then we can talk. When ur nonsense govt starts proposing to pay every citizen under 55 years old £10,000 in 2 years (£5K per year), then we can talk. Until den, u and ur evil govt should take ur hands from Churches necks. Let us breathe pls. Abi una wan kill us join all d killings wey una dey do across dis country? D blood neva do una

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-52053914&ved=2ahUKEwjhgOThw6_rAhXlz4UKHRaWAQoQFjABegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw0VpDYwzF4GAch3b_SDHU17&ampcf=1

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/20/government-pay-wages-jobs-coronavirus-rishi-sunak&ved=2ahUKEwjhgOThw6_rAhXlz4UKHRaWAQoQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3tnXaOedP_78bEW2T1pywi&ampcf=1

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-43078920

Word!!!!

Seunmsg does this law apply to private universities too?

No vex bro, is Nigeria a sane society?

Meanwhile I read few days ago that there are 52mliion unemployment youths in the country right now
Misplaced priorities everywhere. There was a country

TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, [/b]there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

[b]Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

Horlaryinkha:

We need the big churches to checkmate radicals.

Their fall will make jihad surge and Muslims leaders know it so they attacking by any means.

athaboi:
FG should first manage their finance before looking for who to help

CAMA is also part of federal process. Get it?. This process is meant to regulate the country properly. I dont know whats wrong with Nigerians. On one hand you want better Nigeria. On the other hand you frown at it when govt begins process. Churches are known for their involvement in politics in recent years. Therefore they must suffer the brunt.