Empiree:
Which mosque built?

Are you El Rufai who after paying terrorists still pretend no knowledge about it?

Below the direct government funded mosques.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/nwest/368689-jigawa-govt-to-build-95-mosques.html

https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/sokoto-to-complete-building-of-189-mosques-at-n566m/200058.html

https://www.independent.ng/2020-budget-zamfara-earmarks-n1bn-for-mosques-renovation-of-cemeteries-others/

The Government is only doing what CAN has failed to do. inasmuch that I don't like the apc government, I think I support them.

Kingspin:
Are you El Rufai who after paying terrorists still pretend no knowledge about it?

Below the direct government funded mosques.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/nwest/368689-jigawa-govt-to-build-95-mosques.html

https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/sokoto-to-complete-building-of-189-mosques-at-n566m/200058.html

https://www.independent.ng/2020-budget-zamfara-earmarks-n1bn-for-mosques-renovation-of-cemeteries-others/

these are shady websites. First link it doesn't say govt funds it. Second link is nonexistence. Third link is questionable. You know why?. Christians made up same lies about Abuja central mosque, that it was built by federal govt. Watch 10 mins video by Nigerian lady

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq2CaOv6r7Y

But Abuja central church was built by Obasanjo at the expense of Nigeria treasury. He taxed every state 100 million naira except Lagos and Uzor Kalu state at the time. Abuja central church was built by individuals.

muykem:
There are some aspects that make sense in the law. I will not like a situation where people will formed NGO include churches and turn it to family business also. However government should understand that spiritual issues is different from physical issues. I therefore suggest that government should not intervene in church affairs except the church is going contrary to its own constitution.

How is the law interfering with spiritual matters? Is there any part banning prayers, praise/worship, evangelism or showing love in that law?

TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

You wrote well and you spoke my mind...
But let me add to it...

These religious bodies hide under their church to assist politicians to launder money...

They hide under their church, they extablish schools (primary secondary university) they own hospitals transport company (buses) even own private jet airline companies ...using their church names ... And they bill the public millions of Naira (making money from these businesses) but never pay tax to the Government.

They purchase choice and luxury properties every where. They own massive structures .. shopping malls plaza duplexes estates e.t c ...they collect rent from the people yet they don't pay Kobo to the Government.

Many of these churches Daddy GO use their church names to collect Contracts from Government and private organising as banks oil firms e.t.c ... Yet they don't pay tax to the government.

They are supposed to be NGO's (Non governmental Organisations) .... But while other NGOs are regulated and their finances are published.... Our Nigerian churches will be crying fowl that they don't want the Govt to regulate them....while the GOs will be laying curses on anyone that dare to question the church ..

They are all criminals....they divert the church money to them personal use ... Because they think no one can dare ask them ..

As GO / CEO of the church ...when they die the church becomes the inheritance of their wife their children and blood relatives ... U can ask late Bishop idahosa wife.
(the church is a business entity it's a conglomerate)

The supposed house of God have been turned into a house for thiefs Cheats and criminals....

Let me stop here for now ....

Nigerians must stop being dummies.
We must all stand up to these GOs ... They ain't God.

End time signs.

bezimo:


Who permitted you to ask him for accountability..did you or your father give the person your money or resources to keep and manage..

What brought my father into this? Your behavior clearly shows your brothel upbringing and the reason why you will never understand what morality is, let alone moral responsibility, honesty or role of government. Accept my sympathy.

Seems they are finally coming for the churches.
The days of no tax is coming to an end.

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

and government have been scamming you...don't come and beg me for money tomorrow else I will swear for you.

Whatever little contribution to the good of the body is welcomed even when the head is bad.
The people who brought religion to us do same in their countries and continents why should we do it differently? This is not African traditional religion we are talking about.

Maximus69:


So do you think Jesus who asked his followers to pay them would have consented to the idea of his members killing people for any reason?

Well i know most of you just go to church, you all lack deeper understanding of the scriptures!

If you must know, the Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and other Rabbis who came to question Jesus regarding the tax imposed on them by the Roman government actually want to fight back without paying such intimidating levies, they believe with someone as mighty as Jesus in their midst the Roman government is no match, with Jesus whom they can all see that's greater than Moses who singlehandedly defeated Pharaoh of Egypt, they're prepared to fight it out, but when Jesus said "PAY" they were weakened and totally discouraged.
So according to Jesus instead of fighting for any reason once those in authority (Caesar) ask us to pay any fine, levy, tax or other dues so far we can continue our preaching and teaching program undeterred we should pay them off!

Maximus69:


Jesus said "PAY" {Matthew 22:17-21} indicating rules demanding some forms of levy but to join the military in doing what exactly? Matthew 26:52

Don't you think PAY means actually mean GIVE?
LOL

I hope dangote too will have to submit I won't be surprised tho he's a ........

Turns out this particular govt is a scammer in everything. This is the same law for which Obaze was sacked from FRC in 2016 or so after Adeboye said he was resigning due to the demands of the law. Now that they need votes no more, they introduce the same law while Osinbajo the sitting duck can do nada. I'll like to see if Baba will resign again or just accept it as it has come

athaboi:
FG should first manage their finance before looking for who to help

Oga, government has been doing so.

Besides the majority of cases of impropriety being swept under the carpet, we have also seen public officers being called out to account for their stewardships. The list is endless; from Ibori to Nyame to Dariye.

Whether it is motivated by politics or not, this is the way to go. Leaders, in all fields of human endeavor, must imbibe this. We must fix Nigeria by becoming responsible and accountable, whether as individuals or corporates.

The new CAMA act encompasses all religious organisations. Why is CAN the only one crying foul?

Unfortunately, CAN has no choice this time. They are no sacred cows. They have long constituted themselves as untouchables. This has to end.

Sunday is largely not a working day because it is the day of worship for Christians, right? Is it the same for persons of other religions?

These CAN guys should go and sit down jare! If we must enthrone probity and responsible public behaviors / conducts, then it must start with religious organisations.

Softhands:
and government have been scamming you...don't come and beg me for money tomorrow else I will swear for you.

lol na nairaland we dey Sha ....no body know who be who

Empiree:
these are shady websites. First link it doesn't say govt funds it. Second link is nonexistence. Third link is questionable. You know why?. Christians made up same lies about Abuja central mosque, that it was built by federal govt. Watch 10 mins video by Nigerian lady

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq2CaOv6r7Y

But Abuja central church was built by Obasanjo at the expense of Nigeria treasury. He taxed every state 100 million naira except Lagos and Uzor Kalu state at the time. Abuja central church was built by individuals.

Stop acting like an insane person.

One Church built even they call it Central one
The rest of the Churches are built by individuals and group

Who builts central mosques in Abuja?
Why is the North budgeting state fund to build mosque instead of school?

How many Southern governors is funding 200 churches?

shadeyinka:

Don't you think PAY means actually mean GIVE?
LOL

The context is what matters!
Jesus ordered us not to make use of weapons to resolve issues, so whoever demands such from us is directly ordering us to disobey our Master, Lord and King. Matthew 26:52
But when it's all about earthly things like money, gold, clothing, shoe even our time Jesus said PAY/GIVE!

Don't forget that Christians were imprisoned or locked up somehow and it involves taking part of the time we need to spend in the ministry
Yet Jesus said PAY/ GIVE them! Matthew 5:39-42

TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

If an illiterate wrote this I won't have issues. How can you run a church and NGO in Nigeria without registering it with CAC. you're just simple being mischievous yourself and dubious with the truth.

If you , I mean you run and unregistered NGO in Nigeria , will you not be prosecuted by the police for fraudulent acts.

All I can say is that whoever is troubling God in this country inclusive of all collaborators that write this king of selfish, dubious and malicious wrteups will meet their waterloo soon and their generations will not escape Gods judgment. Because you're troubling God.

What happened to the ones they audited , stole the whole money dry and nothing to show for it. No roads, no water , no lights , no work and you insist on supporting same.

A government whose IDPs are living in penury and boko ha ram are celebrated.
Pls get little remose

athaboi:
police My goodness, hahahahahaha. I attended Madonna University...I have never attended government hospital all my life. Now let me tell you...my church has given me life...let's stop here

Government has given more people life more than your church

bezimo:


Did we tell you we wanted such..

That makes you a complete slowpoke if you do not care about accountability

athaboi:
FG should first manage their finance before looking for who to help

Whether you and your wailing Church Fools love it or hate it, the law has come to stay. If you don't like it pls go to hell and open your Church there, we don't need bigots and fraudster in disguise anymore

JohnOkolo:


Whether you and your wailing Church Fools love it or hate it, the law has come to stay. If you don't like it pls go to hell and open your Church there, we don't need bigots and fraudster in disguise anymore

you sounds bitter and hungry..what's the matter, are you among the unemployed youth NBC is talking about

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

while they are also scammers theirselves??

Tango123:


And who protects citizens fromthe scam called government in Nigeria.

People who have sold u and borrowed money ur children's children will be unable to pay

Guy calm down. They government is helping you. This is how Obj did when miracles were flying everywhere.

I know you were trying to make a point, but insult is what I won't take. If we start with this very one is heaven going to fall? You must be a religious fan, but try to be reasonable even in ur indoctrination.

bezimo:


How many laws from developing countries are operated here..like law promoting human dignity and rights..how many? See your yeyecious reasoning

This is a very simple matter. Churches should go and delist their names and details from CAC. After all, Imams don't bother about CAC registration.

sincerely,i support the cama law cos religious centers nd ngos are still regulated by govt in advanced countries to the extent that u cant just wake up one day and say u want to be an active imam or pastor of a particular society

Kingspin:
Stop acting like an insane person.

One Church built even they call it Central one
The rest of the Churches are built by individuals and group

Who builts central mosques in Abuja?
Why is the North budgeting state fund to build mosque instead of school?

How many Southern governors is funding 200 churches?

Did you watch the video at all?. It answered your questions. Also, do mosques earn income?. Mosques do not earn income. They are houses of worship but churches in nigeria are 95% percent business centers. Tell me what most of the pastors do for living besides owing churches?. Churches are business centers because worshippers make monthly payments via tithes.

adekolaelect:
Many Nigerians are senseless they couldn't like to pay tax for government that can offer them Roads ,Hospitals and many other things but like contributing for religious Leaders who has nothing to offer them than promising Imaginary Heaven which no one had ever go and come back to tell us how it is. But the noise of these Christians is too much as if the law only applicable to churches only .They will only blame government for everything they lack but failed to Question where they contributed their major hard earn resource to simply because of religious sentiment .

I suggest you check Sweden Wikipedia and remove misleading post.

Maximus69:

The context is what matters!
Jesus ordered us not to make use of weapons to resolve issues, so whoever demands such from us is directly ordering us to disobey our Master, Lord and King. Matthew 26:52
But when it's all about earthly things like money, gold, clothing, shoe even our time Jesus said PAY/GIVE!

Don't forget that Christians were imprisoned or locked up somehow and it involves taking part of the time we need to spend in the ministry
Yet Jesus said PAY/ GIVE them! Matthew 5:39-42

The Word of God is a double edged sword. And the letters kill but it's the Holy Spirit who gives life (to it and for us)
2Cor 3:6:
"Who also has made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life."

TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

Exactly what I have been arguing. Nigerians are hypocrites.They like to bring God's judgement in everything relating to church and common sense. Laws are made to be obeyed by all.

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

Let FGN also submit her accounts for public scrutiny, because we have many scammers in Government.
Alternatively, let FGN allow CAN to set up independent body to review Church accounta , certainly not a Muslim Minister or Muslim DG of CAC appointed by a Muslim President that are not neutral. I hope the National Assembly recognizes the danger inherent in this law . It is the easiest way to dismember this country.