chic2pimp:


They apparently found a Knife under His seat. That's what was said at the Press Conference a day or 2 ago.

Ok let's even agree they found one. Does it take 7 shots to incapacitate another human being?

Masai Ujiri is the president of Basketball operations for the Raptors and now the most successful black executive but guess what happened to him at the NBA finals last year?

The man was trying to get to the court to celebrate with his team after the won their first championship but an officer pushed him back twice! Afterwards, the officer files a suit against Masai requesting for damages in millions claiming Masai assaulted him. Well, the body cam only came out recently after serious pressure on the police district to release the cam..Guess what we saw?

The officer initiated contact with Masai by pushing Masai twice!!!!!!!!! It was not until someone from the Warriors organization told the officer to stop and told him who Masai was!

Also, if you were wondering, Masai was dreassed smartly, spotting a clean suit tie and dressed, if that counts for anything during these encounters.

Maybe they want to announce this boy on the 29th.

Roland17:
Masai Ujiri is the president of Basketball operations for the Raptors and now the most successful black executive but guess what happened to him at the NBA finals last year?

The man was trying to get to the court to celebrate with his team after the won their first championship but an officer pushed him back twice! Afterwards, the officer files a suit against Masai requesting for damages in millions claiming Masai assaulted him. Well, the body cam only came out recently after serious pressure on the police district to release the cam..Guess what we saw?

The officer initiated contact with Masai by pushing Masai twice!!!!!!!!! It was not until someone from the Warriors organization told the officer to stop and told him who Masai was!

Also, if you were wondering, Masai was wearing a suit and tie and dressed smartly, if that counts for anything during these encounters.

This doesn't have anything to do with getting shot though.

I think where you and A40 are missing the point is in thinking we don't know cops are racists.

At the risk of over-simplification, Let us assume that anywhere there are white people there will be racism.

But despite the proliferation of racists in power all over the western world, these continuous shootings have been proven to be a distinctly American problem.

Naturally, this leads us to conclude that one of these two statements must be true.

1. America is the only country where violent people with racist sentiments work as police officers.

2. There are other underlying factors that facilitate the persistent shooting of citizens by police in America.

I would argue that statement two is more logical than statement one

I don't believe for a second that there are not violent racists in the UK police force today.

What I do know is that even the most racist cop here is statistically unlikely to have access to a gun.

This means that I have good reason not to worry about being shot during an encounter with a policeman at any time of day in this country - between 2012 and 2014, not a single person died from police bullet in the UK

Fix the systems, and the people will change.

A40:
Ok let's even agree they found one. Does it take 7 shots to incapacitate another human being?

It doesn't however it would be used to justify why firing those shots was a necessary evil . Was it way overboard and excessive? YES however they'll argue that they were running high on adrenaline in a pressurised environment.

I was arguing with another individual a few days ago that the use of a taser would have been the best possible outcome only to find out it had already been used without any effect so out of the window went the line of reasoning.

Roland17:


So you shoot him 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 times? Even though the 1st shot left him with his head on the steering which caused the horn to go off for minutes?

So at what point do you stop shooting? I mean if it comes out he was trying to reach for a weapon!

But you would shoot him once or twice right?

Which one be "1st shot left car horn blaring for minutes" as if you don't know all 7 shots will be discharged within 2 or 3 seconds from a semi-automatic pistol. I hope you are not protecting yourself with cōck and shoot that would take 7 minutes to let off 7 shots. You think this is a case of firing one shot and wait few seconds to see if the suspect is incapacitated or not? I have never seen a Police shooting even on white suspects without multiple shells let off. Days of Clint Eastwood single shots are over.

Jacob Blake shooting was inevitable, point blank, period. Every policeman in that situation will shoot him. The only question is the number of shots and trigger speed of the gun.

Attempted murder is out the question, given it was point blank shooting to his lower back, premeditated to incapacitate, not to kill. The only query is excessive force. Mind you Blake is well known to these officers as it is a small town and has several outstanding warrants out, they were in the process of arresting him for an ongoing domestic violence called by his babymoms (while A40 is talking about kids in the car while the nigga was kpokposing their mums face right there). He just kpokposed two police officers, has previous for battery of police officers, has several domestic violence with a weapon convictions, has just been tasered twice and is walking to his car under legal orders to stop after kpokposing two police officers and you think he won't get stopped with lethal force.

Make una dey protest for these criminals. When the facts of this case are determined and the officer gets off with a light rap on the wrist, una go protest more.

A40:
It's bizarre to keep reading these excuses and put heads inside sand ignoring that there is a problem and this convenient second amendment excuse can't keep flying

It's not a convenient excuse, it's a proven fact. We live in a country with no 2nd amendment and 3 deaths by Police a year. Whether Police is racist or not no even concern us.

Someone said if race relations in America is dependent on zero Police deaths, there will always be poor race relations as long as there is 2nd amendment. I'm a man of stats, and none of the stats support BLM narrative. It is a lie that depends on 2nd amendment killings to propagate itself. Black people in the US are not disproportionately killed to others as a percentage of their encounters with Police. Supporting BLM off individual cases is like judging a footballer off YouTube highlights. None of these highlights you won't find happening to white people also at a proportional rate.

Make BLM dey whip una emotions, the more black people go dey approach every encounter with Police in an aggressive manner, the more trigger incidents there will be.

nihilistjnr:


This doesn't have anything to do with getting shot though.

I think where you and A40 are missing the point is in thinking we don't know cops are racists.

At the risk of over-simplification, anywhere there are white people there will be racism.

However despite the proliferation of racists in power all over the western world, these continuous shootings have been proven to be a distinctly American problem.

Naturally, this leads us to conclude that one of these two statements must be true.

1. America is the only country where violent people with racist sentiments work as police officers.

2. There are other underlying factors that facilitate the persistent shooting of citizens by police in America.

I would argue that statement two is more logical than statement one

I don't believe for a second that there are not violent racists in the UK police force today.

What I do know is that even the most racist cop here is statistically unlikely to have access to a gun.

This means that I good reason not to worry about being shot during an encounter with a policeman at any time of day in this country - between 2012 and 2014, not a single person died from police bullet in the UK

Fix the systems, and the people will change.

You have a unique position from Dayo or Ibime for sure. I am inclined to picking the 2nd one and that is why it is emboldened.

We need to increase the requirements necessary for becoming a police officer, expand background checks to understand their values, history and tendencies, making the recruitment process more stringent. Can we prioritize hiring police officers from their local communities? Have them serve in communities where they live?

Can we get our District Attorneys, The Justice Department, Politicians and Police Unions through laws agree to stricter consequences when these incidents happen?

Can we get more accountability from the police departments? Can we consider limiting the amount of immunity police officers enjoy? Can we get a community based team that reviews the use of force in encounters like these?

Roland17:


So you shoot him 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 times? Even though the 1st shot left him with his head on the steering which caused the horn to go off for minutes?

So at what point do you stop shooting? I mean if it comes out he was trying to reach for a weapon!

Are they on bullet count audit? What level of fear/ insecurity justifies shooting a man 7 times with no established motive to hurt the officers?

Dayo, you are black man with kids living in America..This can absolutely happen to you even if you follow all the directions they ask! Just pray you meet a sane officer!! We have to stop making these ridiculous excuses.

A friend of mine was pulled over yesterday for no apparent reason and when he asked why they could not come up with any reason. The officers only asked him to go when they realized he was streaming the encounter live on facebook! My friend had his wife and thier new born baby in his car!!!!!

If you are wondering, this friend is a top healthcare executive in my state of residence. So its not about the hood or where you live even though those increase the risks!

I have been stopped by police before and I knew how the encounter went.

I simply put my hands on the dashboard and said out loudly,

Show me your insurance

I am taking my right hand off the wheels and putting it into the glove compartment, Permission to go ahead?

Show me your license

I am taking my right hand off the wheels and putting into my right back pocket, Permission to proceed?

when you are in a place where everyone is armed and every encounter can potentially be deadly then it raises the threshold to be jittery for everyone concerned

Why will a police in UK feel so comfortable searching you and not pumping with lead? Because he knows the chances of him losing his life is low

You have gone into a gun range before right, You know when you squeeze especially under durress you lose control of the numbers that come out

A40:
I don't shoot him 7 times. That's a start. I won't be suprised if they check that car and no weapons would be found.

We've seen them shoot even the unarmed ones that pose no threat whatsoever so this is just an easy excuse

How many shots would be acceptable? You have handled a gun right before? when you bark out orders to someone, what will you do? The other 750 cops that died probably did not act fast enough in those last seconds alive

The first time police stopped me in America was the day Bayern beat Man Utd in 2010 and Robben scored, I was on the phone in New Jersey, where using a phone while driving is illegal. though it was legal in the other states I was coming from

I had to be on my best behavior for that few minutes

I want to get hom, the police wants to get home back to his family, Its best both of us work together to ensure that happens without incident

Roland17:


You have a unique position from Dayo or Ibime for sure. I am inclined to picking the 2nd one and that is why it is emboldened.

We need to increase the requirements necessary for becoming a police officer, expand background checks to understand their values, history and tendencies, making the recruitment process more stringent. Can we prioritize hiring police officers from their local communities? Have them serve in communities where they live?

Can we get our District Attorneys, The Justice Department, Politicians and Police Unions through laws agree to stricter consequences when these incidents happen?

Can we get more accountability from the police departments? Can we consider limiting the amount of immunity police officers enjoy? Can we get a community based team that reviews the use of force in encounters like these?

Can we increase

We seem to always forget that policemen also have 1 life. If a black police officer gave an order to Blake and he declined, he tasered him and it didnt work, and Blake was going into his car to pick "something", what will that Black officer do?

As long as guns are on the streets which can kill Police and civilians with a few shots, everyone will always panic for their lives at the slightest uneasy movement

Roland17:
Masai Ujiri is the president of Basketball operations for the Raptors and now the most successful black executive but guess what happened to him at the NBA finals last year?

The man was trying to get to the court to celebrate with his team after the won their first championship but an officer pushed him back twice! Afterwards, the officer files a suit against Masai requesting for damages in millions claiming Masai assaulted him. Well, the body cam only came out recently after serious pressure on the police district to release the cam..Guess what we saw?

The officer initiated contact with Masai by pushing Masai twice!!!!!!!!! It was not until someone from the Warriors organization told the officer to stop and told him who Masai was!

Also, if you were wondering, Masai was dreassed smartly, spotting a clean suit tie and dressed, if that counts for anything during these encounters.

Geez!

raumdeuter:


We seem to always forget that policemen also have 1 life. If a black police officer gave an order to Blake and he declined, he tasered him and it didnt work, and Blake was going into his car to pick "something", what will that Black officer do?

As long as guns are on the streets which can kill Police and civilians with a few shots, everyone will always panic for their lives at the slightest uneasy movement

Dayo, let me ask you, are there things police officers can do better during encounters with black people? Or are they perfect because they want to also go home to their family?

Roland17:
Masai Ujiri is the president of Basketball operations for the Raptors and now the most successful black executive but guess what happened to him at the NBA finals last year?

The man was trying to get to the court to celebrate with his team after the won their first championship but an officer pushed him back twice! Afterwards, the officer files a suit against Masai requesting for damages in millions claiming Masai assaulted him. Well, the body cam only came out recently after serious pressure on the police district to release the cam..Guess what we saw?

The officer initiated contact with Masai by pushing Masai twice!!!!!!!!! It was not until someone from the Warriors organization told the officer to stop and told him who Masai was!

Also, if you were wondering, Masai was dreassed smartly, spotting a clean suit tie and dressed, if that counts for anything during these encounters.

The police could have been racist I do not know but if you are a security guard, In a high stakes situation with many high net worth individuals on the field, No one will attempt to pass you without you challenging them

A man with suit seem eager and excited to get on the court to join these celebration. What will you do? Let him pass or push him back to ask him to go back until he identified himself

Likely after the incident, he realized that Masai was rich and he could get some money from him, So he started claiming all those abuse and distress

Roland17:


Dayo, let me ask you, are there things police officers can do better during encounters with black people? Or are they perfect because they want to also go home to their family?

Both of us want to get home to our family, So the responsibilities lies with both of us the arresting officer and the victim of the arrest.

Police needs to bark his orders out clearly, state what he needs and the arrested needs to follow to the letter to avoid ambiguity of words or action. So your actions don't get misunderstood

No one is perfect but we need to help each other so that the community can be safe

Like a black Police chief said

After Black Lives Matter demonstrations erupted in Dallas three weeks ago, Police Chief David Brown told protesters one way that they could fix problems they see in law enforcement.

Get a job.

“We’re hiring,” Brown said at a news conference. “Get off that protest line and put an application in. We’ll put you in your neighborhood and help you resolve some of those problems.”

Roland17:

Can we prioritize hiring police officers from their local communities? Have them serve in communities where they live?

Here are two black "local community" officers shooting someone in the back. A40 did not bring it here because BLM did not flood his Twitter with it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWbzzJ83OwU


Here is another black officer shooting an unarmed woman. Again BLM did not alert A40 to this one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWP0Lv29pi8


I can show you another video of two black officers sneakily shooting another black man while arresting him although they seemingly had him under control

Your problem is 2nd amendment, forget all this long shalaye about community officers.

As long as your citizens and police both carry guns, If you hire Jay-Z as a Policeman, in any uncertain situation, he will "SHOOT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LAST"

Ibime:

Mind you Blake is well known to these officers as it is a small town and has several outstanding warrants out, they were in the process of arresting him for an ongoing domestic violence called by his babymoms (while A40 is talking about kids in the car while the nigga was kpokposing their mums face right there). He just kpokposed two police officers, has previous for battery of police officers, has several domestic violence with a weapon convictions, has just been tasered twice and is walking to his car under legal orders to stop after kpokposing two police officers and you think he won't get stopped with lethal force.

So the officers came into this volatile situation with a heightened sense of fear? Little wonder things escalated the way it did.

raumdeuter:


I have been stopped by police before and I knew how the encounter went.

I simply put my hands on the dashboard and said out loudly,

Show me your insurance

I am taking my right hand off the wheels and putting it into the glove compartment, Permission to go ahead?

Show me your license

I am taking my right hand off the wheels and putting into my right back pocket, Permission to proceed?

when you are in a place where everyone is armed and every encounter can potentially be deadly then it raises the threshold to be jittery for everyone concerned

Why will a police in UK feel so comfortable searching you and not pumping with lead? Because he knows the chances of him losing his life is low

You have gone into a gun range before right, You know when you squeeze especially under durress you lose control of the numbers that come out

Dayo we have seen similar scenarios play out like yours but still ended up fatal. There is absolutely no assurance that you will have a great encounter by following everything to the books. That is your own role, what is the role of the police officer in ensuring he is not judging you by the color of your skin during an encounter? Where is the responsibility and accountability from the officers? At what stage do yo say, officers need to be better during these encounters?

Roland17:


Dayo we have seen similar scenarios play out like yours but still ended up fatal. There is absolutely no assurance that you will have a great encounter by following everything to the books. That is your own role, what is the role of the police officer in ensuring he is not judging you by the color of your skin during an encounter? Where is the responsibility and accountability from the officers? At what stage do yo say, officers need to be better during these encounters?

Nothing absolutely guarantees anything, only that it reduces that chance

Who do you think has the greater chance of being shot, someone who complied or someone who decided to disobey all orders

How can we eradicate racists from the face of the earth? Is that a possible ask? There will always be racists in every place people of different races meet and live together. Even among people of same races, color, country there are biases. some decades ago it used to be against Italians, Irish, Catholics,(all within the same caucasian race)

Personally I believe every human being has biases in them either based on their personal experience or what they have heard. Its like saying someone should not have things about me being a Nigerian? The fact that I am Nigerian already triggers some thoughts in many people even if I am Adeboye or Father Tansi.

The responsibility of the officers is to approach people calmly and explain their motives. A police officer can stop you for any reason and he will say Mr Roland, Good afternoon I am stopping you because blah bla blah

At that point as a responsible citizen you also cooperate to the best of your ability to make the contact as uneventful as possible

But if thats the time you choose to disobey and make certain moves, then all bets are off or what do you want the officer to do in that instant

timbros:


1. I didn't say he won't come good for us. I'm saying there is a possiblity he won't come good for us. More importantly, I'm saying that he will be a distraction for us. Let us build this team for the long term future.

2. In the world cup, Messi not only fail to score in the final, he failed to score in all the knockout matches... R16, quarter final, semi final, and final.

Its awesome the way you cheery picked just the world cup to drive home your point.

@bolded, I solely agree with you.

Ibime:


But you would shoot him once or twice right?

Which one be "1st shot left car horn blaring for minutes" as if you don't know all 7 shots will be discharged within 2 or 3 seconds from a semi-automatic pistol. I hope you are not protecting yourself with cōck and shoot that would take 7 minutes to let off 7 shots. You think this is a case of firing one shot and wait few seconds to see if the suspect is incapacitated or not? I have never seen a Police shooting even on white suspects without multiple shells let off. Days of Clint Eastwood single shots are over.

Jacob Blake shooting was inevitable, point blank, period. Every policeman in that situation will shoot him. The only question is the number of shots and trigger speed of the gun.

Attempted murder is out the question, given it was point blank shooting to his lower back, premeditated to incapacitate, not to kill. The only query is excessive force. Mind you Blake is well known to these officers as it is a small town and has several outstanding warrants out, they were in the process of arresting him for an ongoing domestic violence called by his babymoms (while A40 is talking about kids in the car while the nigga was kpokposing their mums face right there). He just kpokposed two police officers, has previous for battery of police officers, has several domestic violence with a weapon convictions, has just been tasered twice and is walking to his car under legal orders to stop after kpokposing two police officers and you think he won't get stopped with lethal force.

Make una dey protest for these criminals. When the facts of this case are determined and the officer gets off with a light rap on the wrist, una go protest more.




It's not a convenient excuse, it's a proven fact. We live in a country with no 2nd amendment and 3 deaths by Police a year. Whether Police is racist or not no even concern us.

Someone said if race relations in America is dependent on zero Police deaths, there will always be poor race relations as long as there is 2nd amendment. I'm a man of stats, and none of the stats support BLM narrative. It is a lie that depends on 2nd amendment killings to propagate itself. Black people in the US are not disproportionately killed to others as a percentage of their encounters with Police. Supporting BLM off individual cases is like judging a footballer off YouTube highlights. None of these highlights you won't find happening to white people also at a proportional rate.

Make BLM dey whip una emotions, the more black people go dey approach every encounter with Police in an aggressive manner, the more trigger incidents there will be.

I don't really get what you're saying. No doubt the 2nd amendment rights are a big problem in America, but the millions of people around the world who support the black lives matter movement understand that far more black people are killed by poorly trained cops than their white counterparts. There is a huge disparity in incarceration rate for blacks than whites.


Once again, we see where a black man has been shot by a white cop SEVEN TIMES.

How can you continue to justify all these injustices meted out disproportionately to black people?
Do you really think that the millions of people all around the world, the organizations, famous celebrities who show solidarity with the black lives matter movement and hope for equality are all on a fool's errand?
I had to go back to our arguments after the George Floyd's murder to read your arguments again and the pattern i continue to see is unfortunately a propensity to defend injustices. It's quite sad.

raumdeuter:


How many shots would be acceptable? You have handled a gun right before? when you bark out orders to someone, what will you do? The other 750 cops that died probably did not act fast enough in those last seconds alive

The first time police stopped me in America was the day Bayern beat Man Utd in 2010 and Robben scored, I was on the phone in New Jersey, where using a phone while driving is illegal. though it was legal in the other states I was coming from

I had to be on my best behavior for that few minutes

I want to get hom, the police wants to get home back to his family, Its best both of us work together to ensure that happens without incident

Enough to not drastically reduce his chances of survival, the more shots you rain on a human being the lesser his chances of survival. This is a domestic disturbance issue and I would like you to roll out the number of cops that get killed in such encounters

I have handled local rifle at my grandpa's funeral so obviously different scenarios.

Every one will not have the same encounter you will have with police, you were fortunate, I just gave you an instance of a GM that did nothing at all and was shoved twice by an overzealous officer. If you're going your way jeje and a police officer pushes you twice there are few people that will not lose their cool.

When you see law enforcement brazenly infringing on your rights are you sure you would be on your best behavior?

Roland17:


Dayo we have seen similar scenarios play out like yours but still ended up fatal. There is absolutely no assurance that you will have a great encounter by following everything to the books. That is your own role, what is the role of the police officer in ensuring he is not judging you by the color of your skin during an encounter? Where is the responsibility and accountability from the officers? At what stage do yo say, officers need to be better during these encounters?

indeed! This is my line of thought, very good questions here.

Roland17:


Dayo we have seen similar scenarios play out like yours but still ended up fatal. There is absolutely no assurance that you will have a great encounter by following everything to the books. That is your own role, what is the role of the police officer in ensuring he is not judging you by the color of your skin during an encounter? Where is the responsibility and accountability from the officers? At what stage do yo say, officers need to be better during these encounters?

Philando Castile is a perfect example

I'm not saying they should not shoot. There will always be racist cops and bad cops that abuse their authority, however when you kill a cop you know you're bleeped for life if you ever get caught. However 99% of cops don't even get charged for shooting unarmed citizens no matter how egregious they were at their jobs, no matter the circumstances.

I don't know why Ibime is always trying to lump me in with Black lives matter megedefegede. All I suggest is an environment where even the police know that if you kill unarmed people without merit, there should be hell to pay

raumdeuter:


The police could have been racist I do not know but if you are a security guard, In a high stakes situation with many high net worth individuals on the field, No one will attempt to pass you without you challenging them

A man with suit seem eager and excited to get on the court to join these celebration. What will you do? Let him pass or push him back to ask him to go back until he identified himself

Likely after the incident, he realized that Masai was rich and he could get some money from him, So he started claiming all those abuse and distress

But it is okay for the police officer to lie that Masai assaulted and filed a suit in court demanding millions? Dayo is it okay? Is it okay that it took intense pressure from Masai and his connections before the body cam was released to prove the truth that the officer was infact the one that assaulted Masai?

Ibime:


But you would shoot him once or twice right?

Which one be "1st shot left car horn blaring for minutes" as if you don't know all 7 shots will be discharged within 2 or 3 seconds from a semi-automatic pistol. I hope you are not protecting yourself with cōck and shoot that would take 7 minutes to let off 7 shots. You think this is a case of firing one shot and wait few seconds to see if the suspect is incapacitated or not? I have never seen a Police shooting even on white suspects without multiple shells let off. Days of Clint Eastwood single shots are over.

Jacob Blake shooting was inevitable, point blank, period. Every policeman in that situation will shoot him. The only question is the number of shots and trigger speed of the gun.

Attempted murder is out the question, given it was point blank shooting to his lower back, premeditated to incapacitate, not to kill. The only query is excessive force. Mind you Blake is well known to these officers as it is a small town and has several outstanding warrants out, they were in the process of arresting him for an ongoing domestic violence called by his babymoms (while A40 is talking about kids in the car while the nigga was kpokposing their mums face right there). He just kpokposed two police officers, has previous for battery of police officers, has several domestic violence with a weapon convictions, has just been tasered twice and is walking to his car under legal orders to stop after kpokposing two police officers and you think he won't get stopped with lethal force.

Make una dey protest for these criminals. When the facts of this case are determined and the officer gets off with a light rap on the wrist, una go protest more.




It's not a convenient excuse, it's a proven fact. We live in a country with no 2nd amendment and 3 deaths by Police a year. Whether Police is racist or not no even concern us.

Someone said if race relations in America is dependent on zero Police deaths, there will always be poor race relations as long as there is 2nd amendment. I'm a man of stats, and none of the stats support BLM narrative. It is a lie that depends on 2nd amendment killings to propagate itself. Black people in the US are not disproportionately killed to others as a percentage of their encounters with Police. Supporting BLM off individual cases is like judging a footballer off YouTube highlights. None of these highlights you won't find happening to white people also at a proportional rate.

Make BLM dey whip una emotions, the more black people go dey approach every encounter with Police in an aggressive manner, the more trigger incidents there will be.

You continue to buy into the sensationalism and that is affecting your ability to view this topic from a fair stand point. You continue to burden the victims with the responsibility of suffering profiling but WHEN, IBIME, WHEN will you for once shoulder and make a strong case against officers killing people irrarionally because of the color of their skin. Dayo got pulled over by the cops, did everything right and survived but I can assure you he could have still done everything right and lose his life!

donjazet:


I don't really get what you're saying. No doubt the 2nd amendment rights are a big problem in America, but the millions of people around the world who support the black lives matter movement understand that far more black people are killed by poorly trained cops than their white counterparts. There is a huge disparity in incarceration rate for blacks than whites. .

No, the real stat is that 25% of people killed by Police in US are black.

Just like you have stated above "far more black people are killed than white" shows that BLM false narrative has worked.

BLM are simply an organisation whose whole narrative is based on YouTube highlights and retweets than real facts. It's like judging a footballer from YouTube dribbles then when you go to check his stats on WhoScored, you will be so disappointed.

I don't argue disingenuously so I provided full disclosure that 25% is double the black population in America, however the black population is also disproportionately represented in violent crime and likely to have more encounters with the Police which makes the 25% killings of blacks by Police an underrepresentation. For example, 34% of felons are black compared to 12.5% of the general population. So using felonies as a baseline for Police encounters, 25% Police deaths is lower than 34% felony rate.

Go to every major City in America and we have a problem with gangs and weapons. Chicago alone has 100,000 known black gangmembers that can't even travel 4 blocks from their street without running into "opps" where they will kill or be killed. Same story in St Louis, Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans. Even in New York now, we have Chos vs Woos killing each other daily. Same in LA from Rolling 60s to Grape Street to Hoover Street crips. You do not find this preponderance of criminality in other communities so you should not be surprised that we have more encounters with Police, and more encounters between violent criminals and Police which is more likely to turn deadly.

I even argue that we are severely underPoliced because some of the problem in these black neighbourhoods using just Southside Chicago and Missouri as an example is bigger than Police and they don't want the headache. Were we to be adequately Policed in many of these neighbourhoods that have been left to their own devices, all our stats will increase whether it is incarcerations, Police encounters or even Police deaths.

nihilistjnr:


This doesn't have anything to do with getting shot though.

I think where you and A40 are missing the point is in thinking we don't know cops are racists.

At the risk of over-simplification, Let us assume that anywhere there are white people there will be racism.

But despite the proliferation of racists in power all over the western world, these continuous shootings have been proven to be a distinctly American problem.

Naturally, this leads us to conclude that one of these two statements must be true.

1. America is the only country where violent people with racist sentiments work as police officers.

2. There are other underlying factors that facilitate the persistent shooting of citizens by police in America.

I would argue that statement two is more logical than statement one

I don't believe for a second that there are not violent racists in the UK police force today.

What I do know is that even the most racist cop here is statistically unlikely to have access to a gun.

This means that I have good reason not to worry about being shot during an encounter with a policeman at any time of day in this country - between 2012 and 2014, not a single person died from police bullet in the UK

Fix the systems, and the people will change.

Ohh I know you guys cannot be that naïve to believe there are no racist cops. I also don't suggest that all shooting incidents are purely a matter of race.

There are many factors that are at play here but you need to understand that the degree and history of racism and racial issues are far more worse in the US than in the UK. The degree of mistrust is simply not the same.

It's not enough to attribute this to purely gun violence when we see numerous instances of unarmed citizens still getting killed.

The long story short is racism and the second amendment are not going anywhere anytime soon so the only logical short and medium term solution is higher degree of accountability on police officers. An officer of the law knows that 99 times out of 100 if he infringes on your rights he will get away with it. That's why 99% of cops never get charged

They have a system that does not hold erring officers ACCOUNTABLE!! This is the biggest problem

Roland17:


But it is okay for the police officer to lie that Masai assaulted and filed a suit in court demanding millions? Dayo is it okay? Is it okay that it took intense pressure from Masai and his connections before the body cam was released to prove the truth that the officer was infact the one that assaulted Masai?

The officer was trying to profit from the encounter from Masai after he realized he was rich and famous just like every money grabbing person will do and claim distress because someone splashed water on you. It is not right

What I am addressing is the claims of racism because he did not allow a well dressed black man into the arena when he has not shown his ID.

When Masai had forgotten to show his badge and was trying to rush into the court, what was the police man supposed to do at that instant? If you were to be the officer and someone well dressed was trying to push his way through what will you do?

A40:
Philando Castile is a perfect example

I'm not saying they should not shoot. There will always be racist cops and bad cops that abuse their authority, however when you kill a cop you know you're bleeped for life if you ever get caught. However 99% of cops don't even get charged for shooting unarmed citizens no matter how egregious they were at their jobs, no matter the circumstances.

I don't know why Ibime is always trying to lump me in with Black lives matter megedefegede. All I suggest is an environment where even the police know that if you kill unarmed people without merit, there should be hell to pay

Philando Castille was killed by a nervous Mexican Cop who seemed like he was having an emotional meltdown.

You do realise the underlying problem in Philandos death was 2nd Amendment than racism right?

I guarantee 90% of these deaths are second amendment deaths, whether from fearful, mentally unhinged or overreacting cops which was certainly the case with Philando, to the point the cop was even crying after shooting him because he knew he had lost his nerve.

Had the cop had no (irrational) fear of Philandos gun and had no gun himself, they could both be sharing a drink as buddies today.

raumdeuter:


The officer was trying to profit from the encounter from Masai after he realized he was rich and famous just like every money grabbing person will do and claim distress because someone splashed water on you. It is not right

What I am addressing is the claims of racism because he did not allow a well dressed black man into the arena when he has not shown his ID.

When Masai had forgotten to show his badge and was trying to rush into the court, what was the police man supposed to do at that instant? If you were to be the officer and someone well dressed was trying to push his way through what will you do?

Lies!!!!

Watch this entire video and give me another excuse for the shameless police officer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snSSeaMUtQY

Ibime:


Philando Castille was killed by a nervous Asian Cop who seemed like he was having an emotional meltdown.

You do realise the underlying problem in Philandos death was 2nd Amendment than racism right?

I guarantee 90% of these deaths are second amendment deaths, whether from fearful, mentally unhinged or overreacting cops which was certainly the case with Philando, to the point the cop was even crying after shooting him because he knew he had lost his nerve.

Had the cop had no (irrational) fear of Philandos gun and had no gun himself, they could both be sharing a drink as buddies today.

Can this same excuse be made for a black man to justify an action?

A40:
Enough to not drastically reduce his chances of survival, the more shots you rain on a human being the lesser his chances of survival. This is a domestic disturbance issue and I would like you to roll out the number of cops that get killed in such encounters

I have handled local rifle at my grandpa's funeral so obviously different scenarios.

Every one will not have the same encounter you will have with police, you were fortunate, I just gave you an instance of a GM that did nothing at all and was shoved twice by an overzealous officer. If you're going your way jeje and a police officer pushes you twice there are few people that will not lose their cool.

When you see law enforcement brazenly infringing on your rights are you sure you would be on your best behavior?

In an armed situation where both parties are armed any thing can result into a shooting, havent you seen where ordinary Chelsea vs Arsenal argument turned into shooting because both parties were armed?

This GM Masai did not identify himself at that moment and was probably carried away by the heat of the moment so he likely forgot to get his badge out, So the officer rightly pushed him back and prevented him from going in because at that moment, Masai was an intruder going to where he was not authrorized to. What would you have done at that moment if you were the cop or by Masai

Its like the regular well dressed rich man who tries to break the law in Nigeria and our police allow them because of who they are we will also complain