jamesid29:

No issues sir, I wasn't trying to convince you. My aim was just to point it out to you. As long as you have it at the back of your mind and some day you decide to pursue it to its end (because the identity of Christ is a foundational pillar of faith), our God is merciful to point both of us to the right path.

MuttleyLaff:
[size=12pt]What with the contradiction in the highlighted "... is God Over Us, Not God ..." are you trying to say or drive at nah, hmm

MuttleyLaff:

While you are thinking about how or if you are gong to respond to the above original question, please consider and give you explicit answers to the following below questions #2, #9 and #10 first. Thank you. All are invited to contribute, as it isn't an exclusive invitation

Dtruthspeaker:
My view respectfully is that we Know Some One Commanded "Let there be Light" like a King Would Do and Someone Else Carried out the Commandment as One Bound to Obey shall do.

Revelation 5 Resolves This issue by telling us that there is He Who Sits on the Throne (That is Definitely A King for it is Always A King Who Sits on a Throne) and you already know that The Lamb Who was Slain is Christ.

Who Himself has told us that He Never Does His Own Will But the will of One Who Sends Him John 6:38 (Therefore, One bound to Obey as we have seen in Genesis).

Thus, we have a King and Another Who does the Will and Commandment of the King!

Dtruthspeaker:
I just visited Nairaland and to the Glory of God I can respond to any reasonable question posed so I will address the questions in my next post.

MuttleyLaff:
My dear Sir, with the utmost respect, you are just obfuscating a very simple, penny plain explanation, but its all good, its alright, as I have a few easy, direct, simple, innocent, harmless, straightforward questions to ask you

Watch this Dtruthspeaker, for the sake of this discussion, imagine you had supernatural abilities, that makes it possible for you to project yourself, outwards from your body into a different place and time. You are still the same with the projection, lets call it "son" and call you the "father".
1/ Whose bidding, respectfully, do you think "son" will be doing?
2/ Is "son" not you, the "father"?
3/ Is "son" not distinct from you, the "father"?
4/ Is "son" and you the "father" not the same person known as Dtruthspeaker?
5/ Does "son" not see you the "father" Dtruthspeaker, do good things?
6/ Does "son" not have the same power as you, the "father" Dtruthspeaker?
7/ Did "son" not come from you, the "father" Dtruthspeaker?
8/ Is "son" not equal to the "father" Dtruthspeaker, yet not clinging to that status, so to fulfil all righteousness in that way, hmm?
9/ Would "son," being you the "father" Dtruthspeaker, have the ability and power to see into humans' heart, know their thoughts, tell what they're thinking, or what they desire, just like you the "father" Dtruthspeaker have that ability to do, hmm? In other words, similar from 1 Samuel 9:19 and 1 Samuel 10:19&26.
10/ Who really, in this scenario, is the "son"?

I look forward to you addressing the questions directly and/or head-on

MuttleyLaff:
Why didnt God in His infinite wisdom ALLOW THE WORD TRINITY, to be PRINTED out black and white kokoro IN THE BIBLE?

Liquid H₂0 is not solid H₂0, neither is it H₂0 gaseous. Both H₂0 gas and H₂0 water aren't H₂0 solid or vice versa, they are distinct to each other, though they are same one thing.

I keep using the H₂0 analogy, like on previous posts, no matter whether turned into water, ice or steam, H₂0 still retains its elements and/or molecular composition. Liquid is recognizably different in sight, from gas and solid, solid is recognizably different in sight from liquid and gas, also, gas is recognizably different in sight from liquid and solid, but the three, are all equal and the same in composition.

Now, it will interest you to know, that there actually are other forms of water apart from the well known H₂0. This will be talking of D₂0 and T₂0 aside the well known H₂0. The former two (i.e. D₂0 and T₂0) are out of the thread's scope to be discussed here, but the info about them are just presented here, to serve as a fyi and something to keep in a corner of the mind, in case future opportunities arises to discuss them.

Now, since you didnt address the question fully, I'll repeat it and ask, if this same God if infinite, why then are you limiting Him to just and only three persons, hmm? Especially when He reveals that He is I AM that I AM, hmm?

We aren't discussing differences here, but saying you cant put person limitations on God. No one is disputing with you that the Son and the Spirit are actually God, both pre-existent, co-eternal but distinct from the Father. Just as ice block is distinct from aqua, rain, drizzle, tears, mist, steam, vapour et cetera

At what point did God, the Spirit become God the Father, what point did the Word, (i.e. Logos) become the Son, and what point did the seven distinct expression of the God, the Spirit, become the Holy Spirit?

I am sure you'll certainly have an interesting angle to the Angel of the Lord

"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings
(i.e. It is the glory of God to hide things but the glory of kings to investigate them.
God is praised for being mysterious; rulers are praised for explaining mysteries)"
- Proverbs 25:2

"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,
He will teach you all things[/highlight] and will bring to your remembrance all things that I have said to you."
- John 14:26

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth;
for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak;
and He will disclose to you what is to come"
- John 16:13

I dont care what cop out you want to use, but the truth of the matter is that, the brain, isn't an ornament to decorate the body with, and so, we are blessed with this powerfully built processing functional gift for a purpose, reason and such a time as this

You are stepping on a banana peel "foundational doctrine" here. Where exactly does the Bible teach this your so called "foundational doctrine" thats allegedly within the Bible? I would like to see the Bible verse(s) explicitly restricting God been revealed to us and expressing Himself to us as only three persons

jamesid29:
It is well

MuttleyLaff:
"Though He was God, He did not think of equality with God as something to cling to."
- Philippians 2:6

I dont think, you've ever done a 2 Timothy 2:15 on the above Philippians 2:6 yet. When you do get to, please look up the Greek word "morph" used in the verse, maybe after, you might get the epiphany on how God projected Himself to move into a different place and time constraint

Dtruthspeaker:
Humbly, I once thought projection too but the flaw of the Projection Theory is that a Projection reapeats in sync what the Projector projects.

Hence based on Projection my answers must be restricted to me, the father and projector, hence questions

1)= is My Bidding not his;
2) = I am the father and a projection is not a son but a replica as a mirror image or a shadow;
3) = in Projection, No for a projection is not a separate person as a son but a shadow or mirror reflection of the projector;
4) = No, for I am a person but my image is unreal and intangible;
5)= in Projection, No, for he does not see, for he is not a living or real thing;
6) in Projection, No, for Power can only be given to a living thing or real thing;
7) I am the one projecting so the projection comes from the projector:
8 ) in Projection, the Projector is Real but the projection is not, therefore, they are not the same neither are they equal;
9) in Projection, the Projector is the one doing the work not the projection; so no reward for the projection
10) The Projector is the only real object.

MuttleyLaff:
"Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me."
- John 8:42

In John 8:42 above, "exerchomai" is the Greek original word, translated as "proceeded forth". By definition, it means, to go or come out of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or of the point from which one departs. So, John 8:42 above, makes no mistake, where from, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ proceeded forth and came out from.

Dtruthspeaker:
Which is why I am saying that, that reasoning does not apply in the case of Our Lord.

Dtruthspeaker:
And in fact I just saw John 17, Christ is Rendering Account, Giving Report and Making Petitions to Someone else. No projection can do that and one is thought a lunatic if a person speaks to Himself, which is not case here at all;

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you for being a sport in answering all the 10 questions. You started very well, but you went on a downward trajectory from making dishonest replies from question #2 right up to question #10, considering the fact you know the projection was a "son" of you the "father" Dtruthspeaker, you dishonestly won't acknowledge the "son" projected, as being, real, living, have a body, had demonstrable power of healing, feeding, weeping, sleeping et cetera. You deceived yourself thinking you are deceiving me. You were being foolhardy, thinking you were being smartypants. You were being dumb, thinking you were being clever. Smh



"“Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD ..."
- Isaiah 1:18a

It is not only in Isaiah 1:18a above, that God invites to reason with Him. Another case in point, of reasoning with God, is explained in Hebrews 11:19 about one of the many reasoning Abraham had with God and also had about God

Reasoning plays a lot in fully getting to knowing God and correctly understanding everything about Him. As I've previously posted, the brain, isn't an ornament, given to just decorate the body with, but, we are blessed with this powerfully built processing functional gift for a purpose, for a reason, for such a time as this and especially for such a discussion as this.

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Smh at above avalanche of confused dot com. Your theology is suspect. Do you really expect the "Father" to render account to the "Son" ni, hmm?

In your narrow-minded, short changing, limited view of God, you say, it is a hard and impossible action for God to carry out projecting Himself out as a living, real, powerful, incarnated being of Himself.

I concur without demur that with human beings, it is an impossible thing for any to do, but I unreservedly put it to you that, with God all things are possible (i.e. Matthew 19:26)

You can take this from me, that, everything if it isn't bible based, if its not scripture, if it can't be bible fact check, I wouldn't bother share

With me you are among friends, among the brethren, you are in safe company because I am not proselytising, I am not pitching a product, I am not teaching, I am not after anyone's money. I am not compounding or adding any more evil into all you already have. I dont have any hidden agenda or ulterior motive et cetera

Dtruthspeaker:
I do understand and appreciate the difference in view and the fact that it was given bonafide!

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you for being a sport in answering all the 10 questions. You started very well, but you went on a downward trajectory from making dishonest replies from question #2 right up to question #10, considering the fact you know the projection was a "son" of you the "father" Dtruthspeaker, you dishonestly won't acknowledge the "son" projected, as being, real, living, have a body, had demonstrable power of healing, feeding, weeping, sleeping et cetera. You deceived yourself thinking you are deceiving me. You were being foolhardy, thinking you were being smartypants. You were being dumb, thinking you were being clever. Smh

jamesid29:
Bro, what is wrong with you ?

Something must be wrong with you and not me bro-ther

Tell me what your birthday is, so I can give you a dictionary as a birthday gift. Look at him publicly displaying his failure to grasp the meaning of a simple harmless innocent and matter of fact word(s). Smh

jamesid29:
[s]How is this even a necessary reply in the conversation this far?

For someone who still has a lot to learn & unlearn and on a subject, you yourself haven't figured out, you still feel comfortable to speak in such a manner.... It is well with you.[/s]

Will you, sharp sharpishly get off my mention, doing poke nosing, not minding his business, busybody NL self appointed police upandan the thread

You my dear friend, are not my match, not my class, not in our number, and this is saying it without being self conceited, like you are parading yourself upandan the thread, attention seeking for self person KMT

You can stuff your insincere, hollow, nonsense and ingredients "It is well with you"

MuttleyLaff:

You my dear friend, are not my match, not my class, not in our number, and this is saying it without being self conceited, like you are parading yourself upandan the thread, attention seeking for self person KMT

You can stuff your insincere, hollow, nonsense and ingredients "It is well with you"

jamesid29:
Sigh.... It is well.

Maximus69:
Simple put
Jehovah's Witnesses Organization ~

Jesus is Archangel Michael in the midst of members PEACE reigns globally!

But

Trinitarians ~

Jesus is God Almighty and there is no PEACE amongst them, it's Yam pepper scatter scatter ~ isu ata yán an yàn an

Maximus69:
Simple put
Jehovah's Witnesses Organization ~

Jesus is Archangel Michael in the midst of members PEACE reigns globally!

But

Trinitarians ~

Jesus is God Almighty and there is no PEACE amongst them, it's Yam pepper scatter scatter ~ isu ata yán an yàn an

jamesid29:


The difference is God is not the pillar of fire or the pillar of cloud, those things are pointers to the presence of God. But the Son and the Spirit are actually God, both pre-existent, co-eternal but distinct from the Father.
As for the Angle of the Lord, that's actually a very interesting conversation.