zara23:
awesome

zara23:
awesome

Acehart:

@1
The word ‘person‘, when used on this subject, does not mean a separate individual, but a distinct subsistence. It denotes a distinction in the divine Being [that is] real, but inexplicable


@2
. No one ought to deny the true and supreme divinity of the Son. Of Him, the Scripture says:“This is the true God and eternal life” (1Jo 5:20).
Culled from: https://chapellibrary.org:8443/pdf/books/tgodfg.pdf

Bros, John 17:3, Jesus Christ have spoken that your 1John5:20 is a Dubious, fraudulent twisting of the holy scriptures.

Una WAYO is legendary

solite3:
Halleluyah, the trinity is totally biblical but unfortunately many are holding the heresy of Unitarians.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons.
If you believe Jesus is the same person as the father and the holy spirit, that is not trinity but a Unitarian heresy.

Unfortunately, Unitarians make a caricature of the bible indirectly.

Acehart:

The word ‘person‘, when used on this subject, does not mean a separate individual, but a distinct subsistence. It denotes a distinction in the divine Being [that is] real, but inexplicable
Culled from: https://chapellibrary.org:8443/pdf/books/tgodfg.pdf

Janosky:


@1,
John 17:3, John 20:17, Rev3:12,21 Jesus Christ says your claim is FALSE and dubious.

John 17:3
And this is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent—Jesus the Messiah.


Bros, John 17:3, Jesus Christ have spoken that your 1John5:20 is a Dubious, fraudulent twisting of the holy scriptures.

Una WAYO is legendary

jamesid29:
Great writeup boss... it's simplicity in explaining such a complex topic is really outstanding.
I'm not sure about those particular OT passages at the end of the writeup though but all in all its a great writeup.
Thanks for sharing.

Janosky:


WAYO man, your so called "Unitarian heresy" is the Aceheart version of the Trinity Fraud.
It is not unitarian at all.
Aceheart Trinity is Solite3 "Unitarian heresy"

The word ‘person‘, when used on this subject, does not mean a separate individual, but a distinct subsistence. It denotes a distinction in the divine Being [that is] real, but inexplicable"



The same "ghost" causing confusion to Aceheart and Solite3..
No biblical support for "Unitarian heresy" or Trinity scam. Everything about it is made up and Dubious.

Acehart:


John 17:1-2: Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He (Christ Jesus) may give eternal life.”

Greetings to you in Christ’s name. I have inserted (Christ Jesus) in the verses that preceded verse 3 for clarity sake. It’s quite easy to see from these verses that Christ Jesus has the following attributes:

1. He has the power to glorify the Father in proportion to that which the Father glorifies Him.
2. He has the power to give eternal life - His possession.

From the first point, The Son is a reflection of the Father; and the Father is the reflection of the Son. John 6:27 and 14:9 affirms this notion.

From point two, The Son gives (grants) eternal life. Here, Christ Jesus asserts that He has the power of eternal life in His possession; if this is anything to go by, then His granting the entry to Paradise to the criminal on the cross is not out of place. Apostle John in 1 John 1:2 calls Jesus “eternal life”. He agrees with Isaiah who spoke of Christ Jesus name as “Eternal Father”.

But we know that The Son is not The Father; neither is the Father the Son; Isaiah premonition seems to say that “The Eternal Son is the reflection of The Eternal Father”.

(4)
You seem to disapprove of the word “subsistence” when related to the union of personalities in the God(head): our minds are limited when trying to describe God in terms of human language: how does one refer to a person whose matter is ‘eternal’ a person. For many many years, people were taught that there are three states of matter - Solid, liquid and gas. Quite recently, a fourth state of matter has been discovered - plasma. Who knows what state of matter will be discovered in the next 500 years. We know that at different conditions, matter can metamorphose. Christ described in terms of matter is logical and seeing that the word “persons” can only be applied to ‘things’ that exist in solid form, describing Him or any member of God as “solid”, persons, is inappropriate.

John 20:17 Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'”

What is the meaning of the word “God“? When Jesus used the word “grant” in regard to “eternal life”, He used an act associated with government or Organizations. In its original translation, Jesus used the word “endow” or “endowment”. Hence, Jesus gave the meaning of God as “government” or “Organisation”.

1 John 2:24: As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

It is a rule when reading the scriptures that when names are listed, the first name on the list is the character or object of concern; we know that the Father can never be relegated since Christ makes us view Himself as the primer in regards to righteousness, and the Father as the topcoat; we may never know why John places Christ Jesus before the Father in this verse.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

You refuted the claim that Christ Jesus isn’t God; but I have placed the verse before all that John is saying that Christ is indeed the True God. If you don’t understand the verse, please do a revision of the function of punctuation marks- It will help greatly in your understanding of the scriptures.

According to Aceheart:"But we know that The Son is not The Father; neither is the Father the Son".

According to Aceheart:The word ‘person‘, when used on this subject, does not mean a separate individual,

Acehart:


You seem bitter. The most pressing question on the Lord’s day will be: “are you saved?” Janoksy, are you saved? No man will be asked about his belief in the trinity or Unitarian nature of God! What are you bitter about?

Your belief and that of the gnostic and Islamist have an ‘amazing’ consanguinity; yet, no one makes it his calling and destiny to harangue the JW to the very ends of the earth.

I have not said so much about The Spirit yet you spite me; maybe it isn’t me you spite but Mr Solite. If so, then take your fight somewhere else.

Dtruthspeaker:


Very very bitter jw, full of suffering, sorrow and pain!

Using his fake book that they call Bible to advance their own self inflicted deceit and wishful hopes and thinkings

Now, here comes his legendary lashing out!

Acehart:


It is very unfortunate. May the Lord cause him to be enlightened with the truth.

MuttleyLaff:
My dear Sir, with the utmost respect, you are just obfuscating a very simple, penny plain explanation, but its all good, its alright, as I have a few easy, direct, simple, innocent, harmless, straightforward questions to ask you

Watch this Dtruth\speaker,for the sake of this discussion, imagine you had supernatural abilities, that makes it possible for you to project yourself, outwards from your body into a different place and time. You are still the same with the projection, lets call it "son" and call you the "father".

1/ Whose bidding, respectfully, do you think "son" will be doing?
2/ Is "son" not you, the "father"?
3/ Is "son" not distinct from you, the "father"?
4/ Is "son" and you the "father" not the same person known as Dtruth\speaker?
5/ Does "son" not see you the "father" Dtruth\speaker, do good things?
6/ Does "son" not have the same power as you, the "father" Dtruth\speaker?
7/ Did "son" not come from you, the "father" Dtruth\speaker?
8/ Is "son" not equal to the "father" Dtruth\speaker, yet not clinging to that status, so to fulfil all righteousness in that way, hmm?
9/ Would "son," being you the "father" Dtruth\speaker, have the ability and power to see into humans' heart, know their thoughts, tell what they're thinking, or what they desire, just like you the "father" Dtruth\speaker have that ability to do, hmm? In other words, similar from 1 Samuel 9:19 and 1 Samuel 10:19&26.
10/ Who really, in this scenario, is the "son"?

I look forward to you addressing the questions directly and/or head-on

Dtruthspeaker:


Very very bitter jw, full of suffering, sorrow and pain!

Using his fake book that they call Bible to advance their own self inflicted deceit and wishful hopes and thinkings

Now, here comes his legendary lashing out!

Acehart:


You seem bitter. The most pressing question on the Lord’s day will be: “are you saved?” Janoksy, are you saved? No man will be asked about his belief in the trinity or Unitarian nature of God! What are you bitter about?

Your belief and that of the gnostic and Islamist have an ‘amazing’ consanguinity; yet, no one makes it his calling and destiny to harangue the JW to the very ends of the earth.

I have not said so much about The Spirit yet you spite me; maybe it isn’t me you spite but Mr Solite. If so, then take your fight somewhere else.

Janosky:



Fallacies of Ad hominem.
WAYO man in sifia pains.
2 Corinthians 11:31
"The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is forever worthy of praise, knows that I am not lying."





Bros ,John 20:31 & John 3:16 dey una Bible?
I challenge you to quote it here

Acehart:


You don’t have to challenge me. Be a gentleman.

Janosky:

See wetin dey pain una upanda

John 20:31
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name


John 11:27
"Yes, Lord,” she told him. “I have always believed you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who has come into the world from God.”

The son of God came into the world, but WAYO men keeps DECEIVING gullible sheeples


(Compare John 17:3).

Acehart:


What is the meaning of “God”?

Janosky:


It is there in John20:17, John 17:3, John 11:27 and Rev3:5,12,21.

Acehart:


Please tell me according to your own words, from your understanding.

Janosky:


John20:17, John 17:3, John 11:27 and Rev3:5,12,21.
The holy scriptures gives me what you desire to know

Acehart:


Please, tell me in your own words, the way you would tell if you knocked on my door to preach about Paradise.

John20:17, John 17:3, John 11:27 and Rev3:5,12,21 free of charge no tithe no sowing of seed with your hard earned income
.

MuttleyLaff:
My dear Sir, with the utmost respect, you are just obfuscating a very simple, penny plain explanation, but its all good, its alright, as I have a few easy, direct, simple, innocent, harmless, straightforward questions to ask you

Watch this Dtruth\speaker,for the sake of this discussion, imagine you had supernatural abilities, that makes it possible for you to project yourself, outwards from your body into a different place and time. You are still the same with the projection, lets call it "son" and call you the "father".

1/ Whose bidding, respectfully, do you think "son" will be doing?
2/ Is "son" not you, the "father"?
3/ Is "son" not distinct from you, the "father"?
4/ Is "son" and you the "father" not the same person known as Dtruth\speaker?
5/ Does "son" not see you the "father" Dtruth\speaker, do good things?
6/ Does "son" not have the same power as you, the "father" Dtruth\speaker?
7/ Did "son" not come from you, the "father" Dtruth\speaker?
8/ Is "son" not equal to the "father" Dtruth\speaker, yet not clinging to that status, so to fulfil all righteousness in that way, hmm?
9/ Would "son," being you the "father" Dtruth\speaker, have the ability and power to see into humans' heart, know their thoughts, tell what they're thinking, or what they desire, just like you the "father" Dtruth\speaker have that ability to do, hmm? In other words, similar from 1 Samuel 9:19 and 1 Samuel 10:19&26.
10/ Who really, in this scenario, is the "son"?

I look forward to you addressing the questions directly and/or head-on

Acehart:
Cc:Dtruthspeaker

Dtruthspeaker:
Humbly, I once thought projection too but the flaw of the Projection Theory is that a Projection reapeats in sync what the Projector projects.

Hence based on Projection my answers must be restricted to me, the father and projector, hence questions

1)= is My Bidding not his;
2) = I am the father and a projection is not a son but a replica as a mirror image or a shadow;
3) = in Projection, No for a projection is not a separate person as a son but a shadow or mirror reflection of the projector;
4) = No, for I am a person but my image is unreal and intangible;
5)= in Projection, No, for he does not see, for he is not a living or real thing;
6) in Projection, No, for Power can only be given to a living thing or real thing;
7) I am the one projecting so the projection comes from the projector:
8 ) in Projection, the Projector is Real but the projection is not, therefore, they are not the same neither are they equal;
9) in Projection, the Projector is the one doing the work not the projection; so no reward for the projection
10) The Projector is the only real object.

MuttleyLaff:
"Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me."
- John 8:42

In John 8:42 above, "exerchomai" is the Greek original word, translated as "proceeded forth". By definition, it means, to go or come out of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or of the point from which one departs. So, John 8:42 above, makes no mistake, where from, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ proceeded forth and came out from.

Dtruthspeaker:
Which is why I am saying that, that reasoning does not apply in the case of Our Lord.

Dtruthspeaker:
And in fact I just saw John 17, Christ is Rendering Account, Giving Report and Making Petitions to Someone else. No projection can do that and one is thought a lunatic if a person speaks to Himself, which is not case here at all;

sonmvayina:
[s]How can God be the creator and still be part of creation..does not make any sense..it is just like saying steve jobs and the iphone battery and iphone charger are 1...what is the wisdom in it?[/s]

Bible 101, never use the same human yardstick to compare and judge God with. Mtcheew. KMT

MuttleyLaff:
Bible 101, never use the same human yardstick to compare and judge God with. Mtcheew. KMT