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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 9:00am On Aug 30, 2020
gensteejay:

Saudi doesn't "carry Islam for head"?

Funny.

What else does Saudi "carry for head" if not Islam?

When anyone first hears the word, "Saudi", the first thing that comes to their mind is "Islam" or "Sharia".

But they don't "carry Islam for head" cheesy

And you still said Saudi practises Sharia too.

You're neither here nor there.

It's quite glaring and true that Sharia laws are for the poor, which you rightly acknowledged.

Religious laws generally are for the poor, which is why it's glaring these religions are man-made.

Ogbeni enter London, Paris, Ibiza, Majorca or Barcelona any summer when Corona is over and see Saudi elite in action.

This is not dem say.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:01am On Aug 30, 2020
eph12:

What is the west doing to change this narrative except cowering in silence?
Can you fight fanatics
America still battling Isis and other terrorist groups
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:02am On Aug 30, 2020
nihilistjnr:


Ogbeni enter London, Paris, Ibiza, Majorca or Barcelona any summer when Corona is over and see Saudi elite in action.

This is not dem say.

That's the problem here
All these them say with no first hand experience

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:03am On Aug 30, 2020
nihilistjnr:


Donjazet isn't really interested in the facts of the matter.

What he wants is the freedom to blaspheme.

When that argument initially started, I pointed out different attitudes to child marriage in Nigerian between North and South

I showed official legislation that banned child marriage in Saudi the home of Islam, and mentioned how rich Saudis don't even care about Islam like that

I then even listed many so called advanced countries like Japan, Finland, Italy and even UK where age of consent is 16 and below ( Japan I think age of consent is 13, Hungary 12)

When I said all of this, he changed it to Fight grin

I just dey laugh. Go an call Mohammed a paedo in real life - E go shock am when the ever accomodating Hisbah give am VIP room for Kano grin

Don't mind the guy, he knows what he's doing
I can book his flight ticket he should go to Kano and challenge them

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 9:04am On Aug 30, 2020
eph12:

What is the west doing to change this narrative except cowering in silence?

The west where at least two American presidents, a British Prince, and countless other celebrities used to attend sex parties organised by a known Paedophile?

Bros ask that question again

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 9:06am On Aug 30, 2020
nihilistjnr:


The west where at least two American presidents, a British Prince, and countless other celebrities used to attend sex parties organised by a known Paedophile?

Bros ask that question again

I believe he is actually talking about SW Nigeria.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 9:07am On Aug 30, 2020
izzou:


Lol

This is funny. What do you want them to do?

Protest? Release statements?

It's similar to the way Israel is oppressing Palestine. Talk from now till tomorrow, it will not stop Israel from dealing with them

Like Nateevs said, with time, these things will evolve, and it has to start from the Northerners themselves, not a Yoruba Muslim that will tolerate excesses
Things will evolve when educated Muslims and ex-Muslims speak and continue to speak against vices like Sharia, child marriage, terrorism.

Things don't just evolve or change miraculously without any agent of change.

But I do agree with you that northern Muslims will have mind evolution with time.

It will take a long time. And thanks to the Internet and social media, many Muslims (whether in the North, or elsewhere) can interact with people with diverse philosophies around the world.

Such interactions make one become enlightened and smarter (and it's a 2-way thing, i.e. each discussant can learn or benefit from each other once people argue with facts, not sentiments).

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 9:07am On Aug 30, 2020
nihilistjnr:


Ogbeni enter London, Paris, Ibiza, Majorca or Barcelona any summer when Corona is over and see Saudi elite in action.

This is not dem say.

Abi o cheesy

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 9:09am On Aug 30, 2020
izzou:


Lol

This is funny. What do you want them to do?

Protest? Release statements?

It's similar to the way Israel is oppressing Palestine. Talk from now till tomorrow, it will not stop Israel from dealing with them

Like Nateevs said, with time, these things will evolve, and it has to start from the Northerners themselves, not a Yoruba Muslim that will tolerate excesses
Then their position will be very clear on the matter with no room for assumptions

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 9:09am On Aug 30, 2020
iamoyindamola:

Can you fight fanatics
America still battling Isis and other terrorist groups
Don't do like you don't understand what I'm saying

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 9:11am On Aug 30, 2020
nihilistjnr:


The west where at least two American presidents, a British Prince, and countless other celebrities used to attend sex parties organised by a known Paedophile?

Bros ask that question again
I thought we understood that I'm talking about south west, Nigeria?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 9:11am On Aug 30, 2020
afrodoc2:


I believe he is actually talking about SW Nigeria.
Yeah
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:11am On Aug 30, 2020
eph12:

Don't do like you don't understand what I'm saying
I'm sorry I don't
Please explain
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 9:14am On Aug 30, 2020
iamoyindamola:

I'm sorry I don't
Please explain
We're asking the minority Islamic group in Nigeria(yorubas) to take a stand. Are they for or against or they don't want to annoy their big brother?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 9:15am On Aug 30, 2020
gensteejay:

Things will evolve when educated Muslims and ex-Muslims speak and continue to speak against vices like Sharia, child marriage, terrorism.

Things don't just evolve or change miraculously without any agent of change.

But I do agree with you that northern Muslims will have mind evolution with time.

It will take a long time. And thanks to the Internet and social media, many Muslims (whether in the North, or elsewhere) can interact with people with diverse philosophies around the world.

Such interactions make one become enlightened and smarter (and it's a 2-way thing, i.e. each discussant can learn or benefit from each other once people argue with facts, not sentiments).

Illiteracy is on a high side over there...no jokes

Adapting to changes over there is very slow. It takes an educated an enlightened mind to be open minded. These are very strong limitations in the North

People like Dangote and Atiku and the Northern elites are probably condemning this decision in their living rooms, but they can't come out to say it, because they know the very high level of extremism over there

Even the Muslim lawyers that endorsed his execution may have done that to save their faces. Dem no dey laugh with stuffs like Mohammed for there.

It takes more than just shouting to stop this. The herd needs to see the light first, before they'll understand your point

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 9:15am On Aug 30, 2020
afrodoc2:


I believe he is actually talking about SW Nigeria.

Regardless, it's still a facetious position.

There are laws in place in the country to deal with people who marry underage.

So what is the meaning of 'speaking out'?

How many times have these people felt the need to 'speak out' about yahoo or ritual killings which are fairly common crimes in Southern Nigeria?

Does this mean that yahoo or ritual killings are widely accepted and not against the law?

What purpose does speaking out serve? The people who do these things are well aware that the law doesn't look kindly on their activities...and they don't care!

Let the law handle it's business, or you join police and arrest niggas

But don't stand and form enlightened nigga, when in the so called advanced countries, even their leaders are nacking under age...

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 9:17am On Aug 30, 2020
eph12:

I thought we understood that I'm talking about south west, Nigeria?

How many times have you protested yahoo, ritual killings, baby farms, and child marriage in the. South East and West?

You know child marriage is still a thing in some parts of Igbo land right?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 9:18am On Aug 30, 2020
nihilistjnr:


What he wants is the freedom to blaspheme.

When that argument initially started, I pointed out different attitudes to child marriage in Nigerian between North and South

I showed official legislation that banned child marriage in Saudi the home of Islam, and mentioned how rich Saudis don't even care about Islam like that

I then even listed many so called advanced countries like Japan, Finland, Italy and even UK where age of consent is 16 and below ( Japan I think age of consent is 13, Hungary 12)

When I said all of this, he changed it to Fight grin

I just dey laugh. Go an call Mohammed a paedo in real life - E go shock am when the ever accomodating Hisbah give am VIP room for Kano grin

You don come again with your wahala. Looking for trouble as usual.

Get this, a man is now on death row for "blasphemy". A man is about to legally lose his life, simply for speaking against a religion. Lawyers are AFRAID of defending the man because they don't want to be killed too.

A formal body of Muslims have formally endorsed the death penalty for "blasphemy".
This is no more just a problem of radicalism but an essential obstruction of free speech.

Someone could even overlook the problem of child marriage and say e no concern me, but are you not terrified when the basic rule of law and it's interpreters formally endorse radicalism in a society that is supposed to be secular.
Go to that thread on front page i posted and see the outrage.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 9:21am On Aug 30, 2020
donjazet:


You don come again with your wahala. Looking for trouble as usual.

Get this, a man is now on death row for "blasphemy". A man is about to legally lose his life, simply for speaking against a religion. Lawyers are AFRAID of defending the man because they don't want to be killed too.

.

That is the law there

How is it less barbaric than 15 years in jail for homosexuality which is the law in Lagos

Don't break the law where you are, or leave that place .

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 9:22am On Aug 30, 2020
eph12:

Then their position will be very clear on the matter with no room for assumptions

There's nothing to assume there. Their position is clear

In the West, an average Yoruba lady will marry a Christian and nothing happens. In the north, it's almost impossible

In the West, a Muslim enjoys alcohol. Infact we have Muslims running Betting businesses and clubs (Shina Peller, Akin Alabi, Kessignton). In the North, that cannot happen

In the West, there is no Hisbah Police. In the North, they are very effective

I could go on and on. The Northerners are the problem, not Islam

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 9:23am On Aug 30, 2020
eph12:

We're asking the minority Islamic group in Nigeria(yorubas) to take a stand. Are they for or against or they don't want to annoy their big brother?

Here we go...

Tribalism don enter

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 9:23am On Aug 30, 2020
nihilistjnr:


Regardless, it's still a facetious position.

There are laws in place in the country to deal with people who marry underage.

So what is the meaning of 'speaking out'?

How many times have these people felt the need to 'speak out' about yahoo or ritual killings which are fairly common crimes in Southern Nigeria?

Does this mean that yahoo or ritual killings are widely accepted and not against the law?

What purpose does speaking out serve? The people who do these things are well aware that the law doesn't look kindly on their activities...and they don't care!

Let the law handle it's business, or you join police and arrest niggas

But don't stand and form enlightened nigga, when in the so called advanced countries, even their leaders are nacking under age...

Yeah i wasn't supporting his position. Was just pointing out what he meant.

Talking about the blasphemy conviction, Christianity was also once like that. To be fair only education AND some form of activism from moderates WITHIN the culture can change the situation. Also crucial is a separation of church and state.

These were the changes that happened in the Christian world to move them past the days of The Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 9:24am On Aug 30, 2020
nihilistjnr:


That is the law there

How is it less barbaric than 15 years in jail for homosexuality which is the law in Lagos

Don't break the law where you are, or leave that place .

The very big lesson no one wants to talk about

I don't support his killing or his arrest, but he could have kept his opinion to himself if he did not believe in Mohammed.

It was that simple

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:24am On Aug 30, 2020
eph12:

We're asking the minority Islamic group in Nigeria(yorubas) to take a stand. Are they for or against or they don't want to annoy their big brother?
I saw what you did, I wanted to reply to my own understanding but you not different from him
I will rather not waste my time going back and forth on religion that atem cage the God

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:26am On Aug 30, 2020
nihilistjnr:


Here we go...

Tribalism don enter

You sef see am
Going back and forth

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 9:27am On Aug 30, 2020
izzou:


I have lived both in the North and in the West, and I can say that Islam is clearly not the problem....Unless the West is practising another form of Islam I don't know

In the North, their women don't go to mosques to pray(I don't know why), unlike here that everyone can.
I can take a beer with my Muslim friends in public here, and no Hisbah would come for us. For heaven's sake, the Hisbah police do not exist in the West. I could go on and on, but that's not the issue

Anyone trying to hang this on Islam is just trying to stir up trouble. These issues don't come up in the West.

Izuchukwu, that you didn't see or experience any abuse from the hisbah police doesn't mean that they are not there.

12 states in Nigeria formally adopt the sharia law. Yes, some western states are not as radical as their northern counterparts because they (the Moslems) don't have the preponderance over the rest. But why are the so-called "liberal" Muslims not doing enough to stomp out radicalism? How many prominent Muslim influencers speak out against radicalism?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 9:29am On Aug 30, 2020
donjazet:


Izuchukwu, that you didn't see or experience any abuse from the hisbah police doesn't mean that they are not there.

12 states in Nigeria formally adopt the sharia law. Yes, some western states are not as radical as their northern counterparts because they (the Moslems) don't have the preponderance over the rest. But why are the so-called "liberal" Muslims not doing enough to stomp out radicalism? How many prominent Muslim influencers speak out against radicalism?

Pardon me Nwanne

You said 12 states adopted the Sharia law. Is there any Western state amongst them?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:31am On Aug 30, 2020
donjazet:


Izuchukwu, that you didn't see or experience any abuse from the hisbah police doesn't mean that they are not there.

12 states in Nigeria formally adopt the sharia law. Yes, some western states are not as radical as their northern counterparts because they (the Moslems) don't have the preponderance over the rest. But why are the so-called "liberal" Muslims not doing enough to stomp out radicalism? How many prominent Muslim influencers speak out against radicalism?
Did you also read this how many of them are effective?
How many northern states have you visited?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 9:31am On Aug 30, 2020
The North risks going down the road of Pakistan where any Muslim who has personal beef with a non-muslim can just gather one or two people and accuse their enemy of blasphemy just to get rid of them.

It is quite a foolish law to implement in a multifaith society and the fact a group of muslim lawyers rubber-stamped it shows the pressure on them is tremendous. No reasonable thinking educated person in the privacy of their own room will think it is a good idea. It is a law that whips up mob sentiment and inflames mob mentality. Pakistan is having regular riots when their courts free people accused of blasphemy (no Judge will want to easily sentence a man to death on hearsay evidence). Everytime a judge frees someone accused of blasphemy, there will be riots all over Pakistan. Pakistan President was on radio show the other week trying to promote investment opportunities for his country and all the journalist was interest in asking him was about one Christian woman found not guilty of blasphemy, sparking multiple riots all over the country. See him entering long shalaye about how the Government is protecting her and looking for another country to grant her asylum. The interviewer just kept picking at him on this point, and what he came on the radio show to promote was overshadowed.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 9:32am On Aug 30, 2020
DExponential:
Highlights sef boring grin. Nothing much to see sha. Ziyech's cross-field passes will be useful as the season progresses. Giroud and Tammy will benefit from the crosses into the box.

Werner go give us small headache. Dude doesn't look like someone who'll stay in the box. I just hope he improves.

Odoi looks a little bit sharper. His finishing sha lipsrsealed

Fitness levels don't look too good. Brighton players were all over us lipsrsealed

Rudiger should be shipped to Antarctica. Very nonsense defender undecided

Finally, fĂșck Manure cool

I still don't know how we decided to sign the guy, when we had seen quality defenders like Terry, Carvalho, Cahill, Alex in the past.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 9:37am On Aug 30, 2020
nihilistjnr:


How many times have you protested yahoo, ritual killings, baby farms, and child marriage in the. South East and West?

You know child marriage is still a thing in some parts of Igbo land right?
A whole body of lawyers is supporting the death penalty and their defense is religion. The lawyers that share same religion from the sw have refused to speak up as a body. It's alright we're seeing the massive unlooking

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 9:38am On Aug 30, 2020
izzou:


There's nothing to assume there. Their position is clear

In the West, an average Yoruba lady will marry a Christian and nothing happens. In the north, it's almost impossible

In the West, a Muslim enjoys alcohol. Infact we have Muslims running Betting businesses and clubs (Shina Peller, Akin Alabi, Kessignton). In the North, that cannot happen

In the West, there is no Hisbah Police. In the North, they are very effective

I could go on and on. The Northerners are the problem, not Islam
No it's not.

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