Ibime:
The North risks going down the road of Pakistan where any Muslim who has personal beef with a non-muslim can just gather one or two people and accuse their enemy of blasphemy just to get rid of them.

It is quite a foolish law to implement in a multifaith society and the fact a group of muslim lawyers rubber-stamped it shows the pressure on them is tremendous. No reasonable thinking educated person in the privacy of their own room will think it is a good idea. It is a law that whips up mob sentiment and inflames mob mentality. Pakistan is having regular riots when their courts free people accused of blasphemy (no Judge will want to easily sentence a man to death on hearsay evidence). Everytime a judge frees someone accused of blasphemy, there will be riots all over Pakistan. Pakistan President was on radio show the other week trying to promote investment opportunities for his country and all the journalist was interest in asking him was about one Christian woman found not guilty of blasphemy, sparking multiple riots all over the country. See him entering long shalaye about how the Government is protecting her and looking for and there country to grant her asylum. The interviewer just kept picking at him on this point, and what he came on the radio show to promote was overshadowed.

Majority in the northern will lavish in poverty and still marry excess wives with children then will depend on an alhaji for daily survival.
The alhaji in return will see an under age girl in the man's children and ask for hand in marriage
How's this a religion, we are mistaking culture in the north as religion

nihilistjnr:


Here we go...

Tribalism don enter

That's not tribalism, that's the truth. Even the northerners feel like their islam practice is superior to the south. It's the known truth

eph12:

A whole body of lawyers is supporting the death penalty and their defense is religion. The lawyers that share same religion from the sw have refused to speak up as a body. It's alright we're seeing the massive unlooking

What is the law in Kano?

Tomori not invited to England.


1 cap -3minutes played.. well not bad.
Atleast he gets to receive pension when he retires.

nihilistjnr:


Regardless, it's still a facetious position.

There are laws in place in the country to deal with people who marry underage.

So what is the meaning of 'speaking out'?

How many times have these people felt the need to 'speak out' about yahoo or ritual killings which are fairly common crimes in Southern Nigeria?

Does this mean that yahoo or ritual killings are widely accepted and not against the law?

What purpose does speaking out serve? The people who do these things are well aware that the law doesn't look kindly on their activities...and they don't care!

Let the law handle it's business, or you join police and arrest niggas

But don't stand and form enlightened nigga, when in the so called advanced countries, even their leaders are nacking under age...

So because it is a rule or a norm, people shouldn't speak out against it

Then of what use is nairaland and other social media platforms? The beauty of Social media is that it amplifies our voices and broadcasts our opinions.

For instance,The only thing that connects both of us in this life right now is the fact that we can chat with ourselves here, on an open online platform where we can exchange our opinions and ideas and thousands of people will get to see and absorb ideas. That in itself is INFLUENCE and CHANGE.
You speaking out against "speaking out" is the most senseless I've ever heard you say.

Seeing the danger literally people face when they speak out against religion, the best and most effective tool for change is social media.

You can't say everyone should just accept and respect the status quo.

afrodoc2:


Yeah i wasn't supporting his position. Was just pointing out what he meant.

Talking about the blasphemy conviction, Christianity was also once like that. To be fair only education AND some form of activism from moderates WITHIN the culture can change the situation. Also crucial is a separation of church and state.

These were the changes that happened in the Christian world to move them past the days of The Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials.

This is clear but people want to run away from the truth and their responsibility. Instead of fixing up, people like nihilistjnr wants to deflect to the happenings in the south that people are constantly arrested and prosecuted for

nihilistjnr:


What is the law in Kano?

Sharia laws. They're developed based on Qur'an and Sunnah.

The 2 are the highest authorities in Islam.

iamoyindamola:

I saw what you did, I wanted to reply to my own understanding but you not different from him
I will rather not waste my time going back and forth on religion that atem cage the God

Good for you

iamoyindamola:

Now you are talking I agree with this point
Do you the northern think he's a better Muslim compare to the west.
This is where fanatics comes to play, nihilistjnr said one something one time that Saudi where Islam originate from don't even carry it for head, izzou also said something like that this morning.
That should tell it's the people not the religion, more over Sharia or whatever is for the poor
Saudi practice Sharia too

I went to UAE, Qatar, Saudi some years back on an official duty. I can tell you authoritatively that the emboldened is wrong.

I could only go to the US embassy with my boss to worship on Friday and we heard stories that media would never report to you. Just leave that.

eph12:

That's not tribalism, that's the truth. Even the northerners feel like their islam practice is superior to the south. It's the known truth

Is there Sharia law in the west?

So why should s Westerner be responsible for what they do in the North?

Who made who a senior brother to who? That's tribal talk now

Are you to be held accountable for criminal who professes to share your religion?

Sharia in kano, but they arrest an Alfa for sleeping with underage girls why did they tell him to them since Islam support it both are almajiris very easy to marry them off but he was arrested.
Religion is the problem not the people

https://www.nairaland.com/6084635/sodomy-kano-islamic-teacher-arrested

iamoyindamola:

Majority in the northern will lavish in poverty and still marry excess wives with children then will depend on an alhaji for daily survival.
The alhaji in return will see an under age girl in the man's children and ask for hand in marriage
How's this a religion, we are mistaking culture in the north as religion

I can quote many verses from Qur'an and Sunnah (deeds) of Muhammad which these people (both the rich and the poor) use as a guide or life compass.

Islam is the real issue here. Religion influences cultures and has deeply done so in the North.

nihilistjnr:


What is the law in Kano?

Laws are man made and can be outdated. Those that should be seeking to change the law are either loudly in agreement or silently unlooking. The laws didn't drop from Jupiter

nihilistjnr:


Is there Sharia law in the west?

So why should s Westerner be responsible for what they do in the North?

Who made who a senior brother to who? That's tribal talk now

Are you to be held accountable for criminal who professes to share your religion?

It's like saying seankafor is a Christian and a miserable lowlife scammer, so we can conclude all christains are scammers

izzou:


There's nothing to assume there. Their position is clear

In the West, an average Yoruba lady will marry a Christian and nothing happens. In the north, it's almost impossible

In the West, a Muslim enjoys alcohol. Infact we have Muslims running Betting businesses and clubs (Shina Peller, Akin Alabi, Kessignton). In the North, that cannot happen

In the West, there is no Hisbah Police. In the North, they are very effective

I could go on and on. The Northerners are the problem, not Islam

You must know that in the north, culture and religion is deeply interwoven, you cannot extricate one from the other seeing as Islam has been their culture for more than 400 years.
As a matter of fact, the reason why it's only a smaller section of the west that are Moslems today is because their conquest was stopped by the British, if not, the entire Yoruba kingdom might have fallen to Islamic rule and become an emirate, integrating some of these hardline principles.
You cannot try to blame only the north for these social vices when clearly their religion shapes their thinking. Whatever law they make and abide by is strictly from their Quran.

gensteejay:

I can quote many verses from Qur'an and Sunnah (deeds) of Muhammad which these people (both the rich and the poor) use as a guide or life compass.

Islam is the real issue here. Religion influences cultures and has deeply done so in the North.

Shebi na you
When atem is done with you, you can move on to the next one,small small atem is low-key denying you
Anyways let's hear your verses and hadith

gensteejay:

I can quote many verses from Qur'an and Sunnah (deeds) of Muhammad which these people (both the rich and the poor) use as a guide or life compass.

Islam is the real issue here. Religion influences cultures and has deeply done so in the North.

That's why you won't see Hausa Christians getting married to under age girls.

donjazet:


You must know that in the north, culture and religion is deeply interwoven, you cannot extricate one from the other seeing as Islam has been their culture for more than 400 years.
As a matter of fact, the reason why it's only a smaller section of the west that are Moslems today is because their conquest was stopped by the British, if not, the entire Yoruba kingdom might have fallen to Islamic rule and become an emirate, integrating some of these hardline principles.
You cannot try to blame only the north for these social vices when clearly their religion shapes their thinking. Whatever law they make and abide by is strictly from their Quran.

Another hear say
Igbo have Muslims
Yoruba have Muslims
Hausa have christains
Explain how Bauchi, nasarawa, Kaduna are dominated by christains in the north?
Are they practicing Sharia?

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iamoyindamola:

Another hear say
Igbo have Muslims
Yoruba have Muslims
Hausa have christains
Explain how Bauchi, nasarawa, Kaduna are dominated by christains in the north?
Are they practicing Sharia?

My friend, go and study your history and stop being silly. I wont be pedagogic with you here.

nihilistjnr:


That is the law there

How is it less barbaric than 15 years in jail for homosexuality which is the law in Lagos

Don't break the law where you are, or leave that place .

Common sense is really far from you my good friend.

iamoyindamola:

Lols
When atem is done with you, you can move on to the next one,small small atem is low-key denying you

My views about OtemAtum are clearly stated on this thread. No need to rehash that.

His philosophy is use of the brain, worshipping of no god/God, and doing good to humanity.

That's a good philosophy.

About "atem denying you", it's clearly stated on my personal text that I don't worship any god or God.

So, you're not really saying anything reasonable here.

iamoyindamola:
Anyways let's hear your verses and hadith

You know them, unless you can't read Qur'an or don't understand Arabic (which means you don't even understand anything about Islam in the first place).

There are many of such quranic verses and haadith. I'll post a few soon when I'm less busy.

eph12:

Laws are man made and can be outdated. Those that should be seeking to change the law are either loudly in agreement or silently unlooking. The laws didn't drop from Jupiter

But if Northern Muslims have different laws to Southern Muslims, then that's enough to answer your question

donjazet:


My friend, go and study your history and stop being silly. I wont be pedagogic with you here.

Bring them out oga

BlueRayDick:


You sir, are a very very very intelligent man!

Indeed, I admire Ibime's intellect even when we disagree on issues. He goes all out to educate.

gensteejay:

My views about my OtemAtum are clearly stated on this thread. No need to rehash that.
His philosophy is use of the brain, worshipping of no god/God, and doing good to humanity.

That's a good philosophy.

About "atem denying you", it's clearly stated on my personal text that I don't worship any god or God.

So, you're not really saying anything reasonable here.


You know them, unless you can't read Qur'an or don't understand Arabic (which means you don't even understand anything about Islam in the first place).

There are many of such quranic verses and haadith. I'll post a few soon when I'm less busy.

Bring your hadith and verses na

eph12:

Laws are man made and can be outdated. Those that should be seeking to change the law are either loudly in agreement or silently unlooking. The laws didn't drop from Jupiter

So why not let the Muslims in the North vote to change the law - They were the ones who voted to follow Sharia in the first place.

Did you hear that Southern Muslims were involved in voting to follow Shariah in the North?

donjazet:


ANOTHER SENSELESS POST.
Jesus Christ!! Was i really foolish in thinking you were reasonable??

So because lagos punishes gays by 14 years, we shouldn't speak out against other vices??

Does two wrongs make a right?
Why can't someone campaign against both barbaric laws?
Your shallowness is really mind boggling.

Exactly it's very right to campaign those stupid laws but you see, stop hiding here to voice out.
sodeeq09@yahoo.com
Mail me your contact details I want to book a ticket for you to Kano or gigm I don't know if local flight is open fully.
We actually need people like you can we agree on this my friend?

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donjazet:


This doesn't even make sense!! THIS IS THE MOST FOOLISH POST YOU'VE EVER MADE ON NAIRALAND.

So because it is a rule or a norm, people shouldn't speak out against it

Then of what use is nairaland and other social media platforms? The beauty of Social media is that it amplifies our voices and broadcasts our opinions.

For instance,The only thing that connects both of us in this life right now is the fact that we can chat with ourselves here, on an open online platform where we can exchange our opinions and ideas and thousands of people will get to see and absorb ideas. That in itself is INFLUENCE and CHANGE.
You speaking out against "speaking out" is the most senseless I've ever heard you say.

Seeing the danger literally people face when they speak out against religion, the best and most effective tool for change is social media.

You can't say everyone should just accept and respect the status quo. That is extremely foolish and shortsighted coming from you.
It proves your sinister motives in mentioning me.

Nobody said you can't speak out against paedophilia. My point is that you can't stand from a so called 'enlightened stand point influenced by Western society, because the thing you're speaking out against is there too.

Dude you can make your point without insulting me. I get bad mouth too

nihilistjnr:
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Nobody said you can't speak out against paedophilia. My point is that you can't stand from a so called 'enlightened stand point influenced by Western society, because the thing you're speaking out against is there too.

Dude you can make your point without insulting me. I get bad mouth too

iamoyindamola:

Bring your hadith and verses na

Qur'an is the highest authority in Islam and it commands Muslims to take Muhammad as their life guide, because he's the "best of mankind".

Below are few of the verses commanding Muslims to do so: Q.33:21 and Q.24:54.

When a typical Muslim wants to do anything, he strives to follow those verses (and there are loads of similar ones in Qur'an and haadith).

Then, he wants to see how Muhammad practicalized those quranic injunctions about worshipping Allah: he checks the haadith (Muhammad's recorded deeds and sayings when
he was alive); he sees various haadith about Aesha's age of marriage to Muhammad (9 years according to many haadith) and those ones about killing of apostates, blasphemers and those ones about religious wars (Jihad).

Then, he follows the deeds (child marriage, terrorism).

Sharia laws are built on Quranic verses and authentic sayings of Muhammad.

Sunni Muslims (in the North, Saudi, Pakistan, and the likes) strive to follow Islam purely as Muhammad did.

But that will be evil for humanity and this planet.

And thinks like pedophilia, terrorism have to be curbed by strong (secular) laws that are also fair.

gensteejay:

Qur'an is the highest authority in Islam and it commands Muslims to take Muhammad as their life guide, because he's the "best of mankind".

Below are few of the verses commanding Muslims to do so.

When a typical Muslim wants to do anything, he strives to follow those verses (and there are loads of similar ones in Qur'an and haadith).

Then, he wants to see how Muhammad practicalized those quranic injunctions about worshipping Allah: he checks the haadith (Muhammad's recorded deeds and sayings when
he was alive); he sees various haadith about Aesha's age of marriage to Muhammad (9 years according to many haadith) and those ones about killing of apostates, blasphemers and those ones about religious wars (Jihad).

Then, he follows the deeds (child marriage, terrorism).

Sharia laws are built on Quranic verses and authentic sayings of Muhammad.

Sunni Muslims (in the North, Saudi, Pakistan, and the likes) strive to follow Islam purely as Muhammad did.

But that will be evil for humanity and this planet.

And thinks like pedophilia, terrorism have to be curbed by strong (secular) laws that are also fair.

Where are they