solite3:
lol Israel is not bigger than the church.
The church is the body of Christ not Israel.

The system of Israel is different from the church,
Even David himself was not qualify to lead the church but he was a king in Israel.
Remember peter was married and many other disciples, it was only paul that was single.

The problem is in the church is that many have left biblical faith for worldliness.
Leadership in the church is different from worldly leadership.

Reward in the kingdom of God is not base on position.

The Christian ministry is like a race, it is not enough to run but one must run according to the rules or else such a one will be disqualified

Many are running according to their own rules instead of God's rules as stated in the bible.

Respectfully, it is not for you to call he whom God has qualified and chosen for Himself and by Himself, "unqualified".

It is not you who determines qualification, it is Always God who does!

And He determined David to be qualified and indeed He is thus qualified!

You are the one that said Israel is greater than the church. Follow your own advice.

I can't even get the tail or head of what you are talking about.

truespeak:


God's Word remains His Word whether it is His Word commonly referred to as Old Testament or referred to as New Testament.

And, it is God who determines who is greater, and it is always His to determine.

No man can validly do so, for no man placed himself in his place but God in His Sole Discretion places man where He wills.

Neither, did any man make himself to determine his rank or position.

It is the Right and Power of His Maker to place or rank him.

It is also within the Power of His Maker to Place another in his place as it is written "He setteth up one and He putteth down, and placeth another in His place"

He chooses whom He wills, whomsoever, whenever, however, and none can circumscribe Him nor instruct Him!

And can unchoose also at His Pleasure!

solite3:
You are the one that said Israel is greater than the church. Follow your own advice.

That was not my statement, but bukatyne's!

solite3:

I can't even get the tail or head of what you are talking about.

Of course, you can't Sorry, nothing I can do about that!

Let the bible speak for itself not your emotions.

truespeak:


Respectfully, it is not for you to call he whom God has qualified and chosen for Himself and by Himself, "unqualified".

It is not you who determines qualification, it is Always God who does!

And He determined David to be qualified and indeed He is thus qualified!

You are funny, you are trying to twist it, as if it is my word.

1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

It is your word against the word of God.

truespeak:


That was not my statement, but bukatyne's!





Of course, you can't Sorry, nothing I can do about that!

Even if you didn't say it directly but you implied it,

She was greater. A Judge over the People of God,
You said a Judge in Israel was greater than a pastor,

A judge was a leader in Israel and A pastor is a leader in the church,

What you wrote there is meaningless to the discuss, that was why I told you I cant make a head or tail from it.

I telling you what the bible teaches, you saying something else.

A polygamist can not be a pastor, it is God's word through his apostle.

mutter:
Like many Christians I was constantly reading and quoting sections in the bible.
Somewhere along the line I did a course in Theology and I went back to read my bible with a better understanding.
Many women don't know what submission means and why they should submit to a man.
They have real issues with submission.
So too it is not quite understood that the man has a much higher obligation imposed on him than the woman. He has to protect her with his life.
I have made a video on this and I'd be glad of you watch and comment...and perhaps this will lead a few women to submit with purpose.
This advice is also compatable to other religions.
We need to save the marriage institution!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJZT2eTTRoQ

Enlightening video.

Hopefully, the target audience will get to watch and appreciate it.

solite3:
Let the bible speak for itself not your emotions.



You are funny, you are trying to twist it, as if it is my word.

1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

It is your word against the word of God.

No it is not!

It is your word against your word!

For you did say David is "unqualified" now you say it is not your word!

I am simply saying and you got it, that God deemed him qualified, thus he is qualified and whom God hath qualified, you cannot call unqualified!

Whom the Lord hath passed, is passed!

It is not your place nor for you to say otherwise!

truespeak:


No it is not!

It is your word against your word!

For you did say David is "unqualified" now you say it is not your word!

I am simply saying and you got it, that God deemed him qualified, thus he is qualified and whom God hath qualified, you cannot call unqualified!

Whom the Lord hath passed, is passed!

It is not your place nor for you to say otherwise!

Did you just learn the word 'qualify' learn not to quote people out of context, it is manipulative.

qualify for what exactly?

Which Lord are you even talking of?

truespeak:


No it is not!

It is your word against your word!

For you did say David is "unqualified" now you say it is not your word!

I am simply saying and you got it, that God deemed him qualified, thus he is qualified and whom God hath qualified, you cannot call unqualified!

Whom the Lord hath passed, is passed!

It is not your place nor for you to say otherwise!

Lol, you are the one that said A judge is greater than a pastor,
And yet came back to say that no man is qualified to determine who is higher or not.
Confusion laced reply

solite3:


Even if you didn't say it directly but you implied it,

She was greater. A Judge over the People of God,
You said a Judge in Israel was greater than a pastor,

A judge was a leader in Israel and A pastor is a leader in the church,

What you wrote there is meaningless to the discuss, that was why I told you I cant make a head or tail from it.

I telling you what the bible teaches, you saying something else.

A polygamist can not be a pastor, it is God's word through his apostle.

My statement is very clear.

She was greater than a Pastor for not only was she a woman of God, for God's word came through her, she was a prophetess and a Judge over the whole of God's people.

Therefore she was both a pastor over the flock of God, bringing God's word to all, she also prophesied the word of God and God made her Judge over all of His flock and people

Of course, you lack Understanding, thus your inability to understand.

You are teaching in error.

We are not talking about Polygamist being a Pastor but about God choosing whomsoever He wills to lead His people, so please do not change the topic!

solite3:

Lol, you are the one that said A judge is greater than a pastor,
And yet came back to say that no man is qualified to determine who is higher or not.
Confusion laced reply

I have answered you above.

It is you who unfortunately suffers from confusion. It is your confusion, not mine

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solite3:

Did you just learn the word 'qualify' learn not to quote people out of context, it is manipulative.

qualify for what exactly?

Which Lord are you even talking of?

Because you cannot found your statement, you raise accusations and more questions

I have answered you already, it is your right to reject it and to say all you say.

1)Gen 9:6 says man,meaning mankind was made in the image of God.Genesis 5:2 says male and female created He them.
This settles the issue of who or what gender is made in the image processing glory of God.
Apostle Paul's teaching in 1 Cor.11:7 has to do with cultural practices and dressing of Israel at the time.You will notice he dwelt more on appearance in that scripture.
However,man has spiritual leadership in his home and the 'glory of the woman' as spoken of in that verse is in the spiritual leadership of her husband.

2)For man to express the image of God in him,he doesn't need a woman to do that(as expressed by the author).You do not need to express God's image or glory through/over/in another being.
The woman being the helpmate(or helper) didn't mean she was surbodinate(this word was never used).We know a helper is not necessarily someone under you.

3)Genesis 2:18 shows us why God created the woman.He said it is not good for man to be alone... It wasn't because he was trying to model His relationship with the church.

4)Yes,God gave man spiritual authority in his home but not because he has to 'exercise authority' as you would have in the military.Jesus gave a perfect example of leadership when He washed the feet of His disciples.Man's image and glory of God is not about being Lord over the partner.

5)1 Cor.7:4 says,..'the wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife'.
This scripture shows who owns who.The husband has not in anyway 'purchased and owned' the wife.The traditional rites in marriage where a dowry is paid are man's rites and culture.

6)Wives are admonished to submit(meaning yield) to their husbands.The husband himself must be yielded to the word of God.Wisdom is also profitable to direct.

7)Yes,God made man the provider for his family.

8 )God made man physically stronger than the woman.God made the husband the protector of his wife.

9)Funny.....you talk about the husband loving the wife and sacrificing and end with 'rebuke and chasten' her?

10)Weaker vessel is in terms of physical strength.Mental acuity,intelligence,wisdom and knowledge is not in anyway gender based.

11)Well,men cannot bear children.It is the woman whose body was created for that that will bear children.

12)God created women beautiful indeed.The beauty is for her man and her own pleasure.

13,14,15 & 16.)Sex is enjoyed by both men and women.God didn't create the woman as a sex object.

17)Then this is rape.If the man is commanded to love his wife and sacrifice for her,the why would he want and enforce sex upon his wife who does not desire such at that moment.

18 &19) It is indeed God's desire that the man and woman should come together and marry.Both have complimentary roles in the union.

20)The issue of male priests and disciples in my opinion was not because of patriarchy.I guess it was fir convenience and holiness.Imagine if one of the disciples was a lady and had to stay in the midst of the men on some other outings.

See your confusion.

truespeak:


My statement is very clear.

She was greater than a Pastor for not only was she a woman of God, for God's word came through her, she was a prophetess and a Judge over the whole of God's people.

Therefore she was both a pastor over the flock of God, bringing God's word to all, she also prophesied the word of God and God made her Judge over all of His flock and people

Of course, you lack Understanding, thus your inability to understand.

You are teaching in error.

We are not talking about Polygamist being a Pastor but about God choosing whomsoever He wills to lead His people, so please do not change the topic!

God's Word remains His Word whether it is His Word commonly referred to as Old Testament or referred to as New Testament.

And, it is God who determines who is greater, and it is always His to determine.

No man can validly do so, for no man placed himself in his place but God in His Sole Discretion places man where He wills.

Neither, did any man make himself to determine his rank or position.

It is the Right and Power of His Maker to place or rank him.

It is also within the Power of His Maker to Place another in his place as it is written "He setteth up one and He putteth down, and placeth another in His place"

He chooses whom He wills, whomsoever, whenever, however, and none can circumscribe Him nor instruct Him!

And can unchoose also at His Pleasure!

@bolded, you are a hypocrite and a liar.
You said no man can determine who is greater except God but in one breath said Deborah was greater than than a pastor.

@truespeak

We are not talking about Polygamist being a Pastor but about God choosing whomsoever He wills to lead His people, so please do not change the topic!

How do you know God's will, without the bible.

God's will must be in line with his word.
Jesus didnt go about ranting that God has chosen him, but he showed the people from the scripture and with his works the will of God unlike you who will ignore the word of God to do your own.

Typical of a liar, was it not david I was talking about.
God refused David to build a house for him because his hands was filled with blood.

The qualities of a pastor was clearly stated but you clearly ignored it and rant God can choose anyone.

truespeak:


I have answered you above.

It is you who unfortunately suffers from confusion. It is your confusion, not mine

tell somebody that is sane to read your response and tell you if it makes sense.

truespeak:
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Because you cannot found your statement, you raise accusations and more questions

I have answered you already, it is your right to reject it and to say all you say.

what is this?

solite3:
See your confusion.







@bolded, you are a hypocrite and a liar.
You said no man can determine who is greater but only God but in one breath said Deborah was greater than than a pastor.

You guys please sheathe your swords.

bukatyne:


You guys please sheathe your swords.

Alright Bukky, I just hate hypocrisy and pretense.

Guys, let's put scriptures forward with full contexts PLEASE. No emotions, but the word of God only.

God has an order - in a family unit (nuclear and Church), the man is placed by God to be the head. Deborah's case was an exception, else I'm sure they were lots of women that could have taken Judas' place, but only men were presented.

Now, to be clear, in God's kingdom, we are all equals and there is no partyiality with our Father. But the same way I reported to my Key Account Manager at my secular job, eventhough we were on the same job level and pay grade, it is the same way with God's family units. I was not lesser than the KAM in any way, but for the purposes of operations and accountability, I submitted to his leadership and direction. Same way I and a friend Co-founded a startup, but we agreed that he would be CEO while I head the Products.


1 Corinthians 11:3 (read the whole chapter for better context)
But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.


It baffles me when people don't have any or much objections in secular settings, but rail against such order in the family unit. And, oh, BTW, I listen to a ton of great sisters on Youtube and in meetings when they exhort.

bukatyne:


Not support per say. According to him (with biblical references)

1. Divorce: a wife can only divorce for lack of provision from her husband and sexual denial. She cannot divorce for adultery while a husband can only divorce for adultery. He supports polygamy so a man is expected to marry another wife and not divorce his first wife because she denies him sex.

2. Adultery: a man only commits adultery when he sleeps with a married woman. He is a whoremonger when he sleeps with a single lady. And it is against God and not the wife. Any sex outside marriage for the wife is adultery. Husband can divorce wife, wife cannot divorce husband for adultery.

3. A husband can correct and discipline his wife by spanking also called Christian Domestic Discipline, seizing her credit cards, etc etc. A wife cannot correct talk less of disciplining the husband. If he is doing something wrong, she pleads, prays etc.

4. Masturbation: not a sin because it is with yourself. Going to strip clubs, phone intimacy etc are however wrong.

@ Number 3: While I think the marriage atmosphere in the West is too gynocentric pandering to the wives without recourse to the husbands, I was very happy to note that he cautioned his followers to be mindful of the law when pursuing Christian Domestic Discipline. I was truly happy for the Western marriage atmosphere for once. Every bad dog truly has its day.

The author has this same view about marriage? Like he said all these things ? He is not a christain then. Ewwwwww


Anyway I do agree about the man being the head of the family unit.

Lots of other points I don't especially some parts of Point 17.

solite3:
See your confusion.







@bolded, you are a hypocrite and a liar.
You said no man can determine who is greater except God but in one breath said Deborah was greater than than a pastor.

Just came online and saw this!

Well, nothing new here, just more accusations!

I have said no lie nor hypocrisy for God did determine and choose Deborah just as he chose others like Moses.

Deborah did not choose herself and can never appoint herself as is clearly recorded in the Bible. God chooses at His Will!

So please, stop the false accusations and railings for it is an evil and wickedness!

solite3:
@truespeak

How do you know God's will, without the bible.

God's will must be in line with his word.
Jesus didnt go about ranting that God has chosen him, but he showed the people from the scripture and with his works the will of God unlike you who will ignore the word of God to do your own.

Typical of a liar, was it not david I was talking about.
God refused David to build a house for him because his hands was filled with blood.

The qualities of a pastor was clearly stated but you clearly ignored it and rant God can choose anyone.

Now you deny your very word in which you clearly said David was not qualified, to which I replied you earlier, and now come here to say you were not talking about David, well it is your word again against your very word.

solite3:
You cant compare the old testament to the new, the new testament is greater than the old testament.
John the Baptist was the greatest prophet ever yet the smallest in the kingdom (the church) is greater than John the baptist.
Apple and orange, Israel is not the Christian church.
Do you know that David himself is not even qualified to lead the church? Because David was a polygamist but yet David was a a king in Israel.

And they clearly show it is you who is the Liar!

The Word of God is no Lie but Standeth Forever and it is the Truth of God that He chooses whom He Wills which you have not dislodged nor countered but that obviously burns the hell out of you

Well your pain, your mouth, your rubbish! Keep burning while God continues to do as He pleases!

solite3:
tell somebody that is sane to read your response and tell you if it makes sense.

Of course, wisdom is too high! As I said earlier, nothing I can do about that!

bukatyne:


You guys please sheathe your swords.

Sorry, Bukky, just saw this!

I brought no sword but the word of God as is written, he is the one who came swinging because he doth not understand nor likes what he heard, nor who it is coming from which he would surely deny, but I am unaffected for it doeth nothing to me. He who has done no wrong fears no accusation nor sword. So I am swell!

A wise man will hear and increase in knowledge!

solite3:
Alright Bukky, I just hate hypocrisy and pretense.

No, you hate the Truth for if you loved the truth, you would not call the truth a lie and hypocrisy but as I said earlier, your mouth, your piss, your smell!

solite3:
See your confusion

@bolded, you are a hypocrite and a liar.
You said no man can determine who is greater except God but in one breath said Deborah was greater than than a pastor.

This is not right and good Solite3 for your hatred for the womb man is clouding your reasoning.

The issue between the two of you is Who Elevates or Increases the worth and value of the Man, is it the man himself or God?

And Truespeak rightly says it is God Who
retains the Right and Power to make a valid increase or decrease.

Though a man can increase himself, it is invalid and unriight. It is a swelling up and a puffing up therefore leading to the commission of the Offence of Pride.

Therefore is she not right in saying "no man can determine who is greater except God"?

Is it not Written "He removeth kings, and setteth up kings:" ? Daniel 2:21. So what is the lie here?

Further, is it not common that a pastor's rule is mostly restricted to church premises and the rule of a governor, as a King, has a wider and greater reach than the pastor who is himself a subject of the governor?

Deborah was A Judge, Appointed and Raised Up by God, to Rule a nation, who had no king or governor, so wherein is the lie here again?

All Truespeak had said up there is True and they are Truly contained in the Bible.

solite3:
@truespeak

How do you know God's will, without the bible.

God's will must be in line with his word.
Jesus didnt go about ranting that God has chosen him, but he showed the people from the scripture and with his works the will of God unlike you who will ignore the word of God to do your own.

Typical of a liar, was it not david I was talking about.
God refused David to build a house for him because his hands was filled with blood.

The qualities of a pastor was clearly stated but you clearly ignored it and rant God can choose anyone.

All these are apparently your issues not the issue in point.

The contention was not about knowing God's Will, nor about David building a house nor about qualities of a pastor.

I understand, womb man don do you real bad!

Dtruthspeaker:


This is not right and good Solite3 for your hatred for the womb man is clouding your reasoning.

The issue between the two of you is Who Elevates or Increases the worth and value of the Man, is it the man himself or God?

And Truespeak rightly says it is God Who
retains the Right and Power to make a valid increase or decrease.

Though a man can increase himself, it is invalid and unriight. It is a swelling up and a puffing up therefore leading to the commission of the Offence of Pride.

Therefore is she not right in saying "no man can determine who is greater except God"?

Is it not Written "He removeth kings, and setteth up kings:" ? Daniel 2:21. So what is the lie here?

Further, is it not common that a pastor's rule is mostly restricted to church premises and the rule of a governor, as a King, has a wider and greater reach than the pastor who is himself a subject of the governor?

Deborah was A Judge, Appointed and Raised Up by God, to Rule a nation, who had no king or governor, so wherein is the lie here again?

All Truespeak had said up there is True and they are Truly contained in the Bible.

Thank you for standing up for Right and Truth and in keeping with John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment"

"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful" Psalm 1:1

truespeak:


Thank you for standing up for Right and Truth and in keeping with John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment"

"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful" Psalm 1:1

Ah, please All Praises belong to the Lord not I.

I believe it is the duty of all to do the right and to speak the right and True as Commanded by the Lord "To do justice and Judgment is more Acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice"

Dtruthspeaker:


Ah, please All Praises belong to the Lord not I.

I believe it is the duty of all to do the right and to speak the right and True as Commanded by the Lord "To do justice and Judgment is more Acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice"

Simply speaking the truth that is in my heart and as it is Written.

It is indeed the duty of all man to do, howbeit, it is not always done, hence my appreciation!

truespeak:


Simply speaking the truth that is in my heart and as it is Written.

It is indeed the duty of all man to do, howbeit, it is not always done, hence my appreciation!

I understand and I humbly thank you too for appreciating.