Gotze1:
Show any country the Chinese copy or keep quiet.

EXOUSIAng:

Name one Chinese brand copying American brand ....
please do I really wanna learn

Gotze1:
Show any country the Chinese copy or keep quiet.

Weselion:



Check these links;


https://www.hotcars.com/20-chinese-copycat-cars-we-wouldnt-touch-with-a-ten-foot-pole/

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/features/chinese-copycat-cars-can-you-spot-western-inspiration-behind-these-designs-a7015966.html

lucasalves:


Haa edit my post? good of you to skip over the part where there are literarily Chinese in the factory controlling operations. Ooops that's right the majority of you on this forum have never been to the factory, I don't know how there can be any debate when there is literarily thousands of online sources listing IVM as a subsidiary of the Chinese.

What you described in your second sentence is a Franchise, but hey we can't expect any deep thinking from the likes of you. Did I mention anything about badge engineering in my comments? What the hell are you going on about?

gwafaeziokwu:



What is on discuss is clearly above your pay grade. You lump together so many different terminologies to defend what you are ignorant about.

Control operations, subsidiary, franchise all in one post and then finally ask at the tail end what bagde engineering is. Meaning you are just talking for the sake of it. Let's even assume that Chinese control operations at IVM plant, what exactly are they controlling? Is it coupling of knocked down parts or actually fabricating from the scratch? If it is the later then you have no argument.

It doesn’t matter whose technology Innoson is using in his plant , what matters is that he utilises the knowledge in manufacturing his vehicles to market standard.

Iegendhero:


Stop wailing.

You should have advised your kinsmen that attacked NORD in the first place. I only respond to their ignorance.

And no, Innoson is just like the other several African companies selling rebadged Chinese cars. They are completely different from the example you gave about Toyota and the likes.

He is basically replicating everything on the Chinese car 100% even down to the rims. Check the Interior of the cars, they are 100% thesame without any difference.

I am not saying he won't grow later coz people always start from somewhere, but I presented that 100% of the cars by Innoson are Chinese cars because our people try to badmouth the new guy on the block Ford.

Let me give you an example. All vehicles bear a VIN which identifies the country of manufacture. Even if it was manufactured in a different country different from the home country, the VIN will bear the identity of the country of manufacture.

At least if Innoson is doing General Mechanical design or anything you want to call it, it should have still carried the name of the manufacturing company as Nigeria. Why is it that all his car VIN are branded Manufactured in China?

Below is Innoson. Everything is Chinese.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/8684264_20190205210512_jpeg1798b0d02eabc438e17f57036ebdcecf
www.nairaland.com/attachments/8684265_20190205210450_jpege08e892b96e1aed6a62da602f0cd1fa5

www.nairaland.com/attachments/8684266_screenshot20190205210340chrome_jpeg46ddba77637587beb78f7e7967eff3ea

CC gwafaeziokwu

lucasalves:


What knowledge? When the tech isn't is? How do you live with talking from both sides of your mouth? Again no doubt those are terms you will never truly understand no matter the amount of Google search. "What is on discuss" (glad nobody pays you to give speeches, as that will be above your pay grade).

gwafaeziokwu:





Drug manufacturing technology is not a Nigerian technology. Infact almost all pharmaceutical companies in Nigeria borrow drug formulation from British pharmacopedia with little tweak in active ingredients here and there. Can you now say that a company like Emzor do not manufacture paracetamol because the formular is not originally theirs. Use your brain for once and stop talking rubbish.


Innoson do not hide where he got his technology from. It is all over the internet. He is not in competition with the big boys in the industry who can afford high cost of R & D into new models. Badge Engineering is his sure bet to stay afloat until he gets to that point where he can give Nigeria a place on the map.

gwafaeziokwu:





[s]Stop disgracing your lineage this boy. You are simply confirming what we have been telling you all day long. Up till now you are yet to read up on rebagde engineering. Car models are intellectual property. You can legally copy but you must acknowledge the source of your technology. Even the Baic website confirmed that Innoson is producing a model of their car in Nigeria under his company's name.

Those prefix shows the code for models of cars indigenous to those country. Do Nigeria have an indigenous automobile industry before innoson? No! Every thing we had in the past has been foreign. If you are angry about Nigeria not having their own car model, start up your own company assemble engineers and get to work. Innoson is doing smart business, he does not need your half baked input.

The main question here is, having gotten the legal right to produce those models in Nigeria, do Innoson have a line that fabricate this exact replica from start to finish. If yes then you have no case. [/s]

Midas02: A lot of comments I see here shows how little we Nigerians know about how industries really work. As much as we claim to love cars, we really have no clue about the industry! Innoson (IVM) is nothing but an SKD assembly plant!! I do not want to take anything away from his efforts as an industrialist, but com'on guys, we need to start coming clean on issues rather than making deceitful claims - it is the first rule of international business! Innoson really does what any other third world aspiring investor would do - he went to China, struck a deal with an OEM manufacturer who is looking to expand their market (BAIC in this instance) and then proceeded to start a simple assembly process using SKDs (Semi-Knocked down parts) from the OEM (BAIC). This in a nutshell, is IVM's business model. Quite unfortunately, rather than look at facts, many of our fellow countrymen will keep propagating lies (because nah my broda from my village nah!), keep wallowing in ignorance and self-deceit! Innoson is doing what is needed to grow an industry and if he keeps having success, perhaps at some point in the far future, the company may actually have the funds and the (R& D) department needed to develop an indigenous product.! For now however, all we have is an assembly plant - one that is a great deal inferior to what PAN and VWON had been able to accomplish in the 70s and early 80s. And if you ask me why? Well, PAN and VWON were fully fledged assembly plants that were capable of a complete assembly processes (called CKD assembly). CKD (Completely Knocked Down parts) plants, unlike Semi-Knocked Down (SKD) plants, involves putting together hundreds of components and parts that came in bolts and nuts pieces which often includes structural welding and paint shop! SKD on the other hand is like a starters kit in which most of the components come pre-assembled and painted, you only need to couple the major components together to have a car! Again, CKD comes in pieces, while SKD comes in Component parts. The only thing that was missing from the former PAN and VWON operation in being able to completely manufacture was that there was no Sheet metal stamping, robotic welds, design department and (R& D) department! If you ask me, Nigeria was a lot more advanced in the 70s! Most of the auto manufacturers in Nigeria now simply do SKD and that is why they can get by with such small assembly plants! In finality, for the sake of the stubborn ones in our midst, I will break down the source of each of Innoson's car models for you - google is your friend!:

1. Innoson G80 is simply a locally assembled and rebadged BAIC BJ80
2. Innoson G40 again is a locally assembled and rebadged BAIC BJ40
3. Innoson G6 is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Tiger SUV (an obscure Chinese manufacturer)
4. Innoson G5 is a locally assembled & rebadged Gonow Aoosed G5 (A subsidiary of GAC)
5. Innoson Granite is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Terralord
6. Innoson Carrier is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Tiger TUV
7. Innoson G20 is a locally assembled & rebadged Weiwang M20 (Weiwang is a subsidiary of BAIC)
8. Innoson Fox is a locally assembled & rebadged BAIC E150/E130 Hatchback
9. Innoson Umu is a locally assembled & rebadged BAIC E150/E130 Sedan
10. Innoson 6540 bus is basically a locally assembled & rebadged Foton View
11. Innoson 5000 Van is basically a locally assembled & rebadged Foton Alpha
* Note: Foton is yet another subsidiary of BAIC!

And there you have it - a complete and undiluted synopsis on the basis, origin and source of Innoson vehicles! IVM's much taunted automobile 'original manufacturing' claims are largely false! If anyone is still in doubt, google is your friend - please make use of it!

As I said, Innoson does assemble from SKD components - this makes them a local assembly plant by law! There is currently a Nigerian policy (Nigerian Automotive Industry development Plan (NAIDP)) that has been implemented since 2015 which now makes it attractive for Manufacturers and investors to set up small local SKD assembly plants. Innoson, like many others, is simply taking advantage of this. Although I refer to many of the models "locally assembled & rebadged", in reality many of them may not even assembled but may just be imported and marketed under the brand! I am not sure which ones are imported (I don't have the data) but from the pricing, I do suspect that both the G80 and the G40 are simply imported! The NAIDP policy allows and encourages local assembly manufacturers to import 2 vehicles for every vehicle assembled in Nigeria - for this, they get a reduced duty rate (35%) instead of (70%)! At N27 million, it is pretty obvious that the G80 is one of those ones imported!

In my opinion, it would have been better and more credible to simply be truthful and own up to the fact that as a young company, they have no proprietary technology and indeed can't be expected to have one for many years. Being an Assembly plant is good enough for many developed countries and I see no reason to lie!

Iegendhero:


You don't seems to learn. The answer to your last statement is NO.

And the likes of JAC will have their VIN manufactured in China because they actually did manufacture that. This is different from reverse Engineering because Innoson is Manufacturing nothing.

Everything he does is to import all the part and then do the usual stuffs of reassembling the cars.

Will he in the future manufacture for real? Probably.

But as he stand now he is just assembling Chinese cars with his own brand.

Iegendhero:


You don't seems to learn. The answer to your last statement is NO.

And the likes of JAC will have their VIN manufactured in China because they actually did manufacture that. This is different from reverse Engineering because Innoson is Manufacturing nothing.

Everything he does is to import all the part and then do the usual stuffs of reassembling the cars.

Will he in the future manufacture for real? Probably.

But as he stand now he is just assembling Chinese cars with his own brand.

gwafaeziokwu:




[s]You are telling blatant lies just to defend your goofs. All the news agencies including BBC news went on a fact finding tour and comfirmed that actual manufacturing is taking place in the IVM plant. Many agencies, private and public have gone and confirmed. Videos and photos fill the Internet yet you want to turn logic on its head by insisting that Innoson simply assemble parts that has already been manufactured in China.

You are pretending to be asleep oga, it is a futile exercise trying to wake you. The fact that you and many like you do not believe makes what Innoson is doing quite commendable. I am glad sensible people from your enclave is catching the car manufacturing fever. Innoson has shown that impossible is nothing.

Meanwhile continue to enjoy your second best status. We pioneer, you follow. No wahala but follow with respect.[/s]

Iegendhero:


Stop replying off key.

All this tantrums you are throwing is none of my business.

At least I have showed you countless proof that Innoson is assembling Chinese cars 100%.

I hope in the future he get it right and start reducing the percentage bit by bit just like I would sih the other African manufacturers parading Chinese cars as indigenous Auto.

gwafaeziokwu:




You overestimate mate yourself dude. You are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Innoson do not owe you any explanation. He has gotten it right already. He is manufacturing his cars in Nigeria!

What you have shown countless times is a confirmation that Innoson uses Chinese technology in his plant. That he was legally granted right by some Chinese and German companies to copy their car models and manufacture the exact same thing in his plant. The only thing he has done wrong so far in your book of ignorance is Technology Transfer. How dumb can you be.

Meanwhile continue to enjoy your second best status. Cheers

Iegendhero:


No you are lying. The only thing i established on this thread is that Innoson is importing Chinese parts and re-assembling them in his plant in Nnewi. After doing that, he then paint and paste his logo

Lol, I am not inconsequential, everyone just have their core competency.

This is just an exercise of setting record straight and I don't give a bleep about what you or Innoson think about this!

gwafaeziokwu:




Guy your opinion on this thread is hundred percent opposite to what is on ground. That makes it inconsequential! Repeating inconsequential opinion several times will not turn it into reality.

You just admitted that Innoson have a painting department in his plant. At least we are getting somewhere. I use to think that CKD comes in already painted. Things we learn in Nairaland everyday

Midas02: A lot of comments I see here shows how little we Nigerians know about how industries really work. As much as we claim to love cars, we really have no clue about the industry! Innoson (IVM) is nothing but an SKD assembly plant!! I do not want to take anything away from his efforts as an industrialist, but com'on guys, we need to start coming clean on issues rather than making deceitful claims - it is the first rule of international business! Innoson really does what any other third world aspiring investor would do - he went to China, struck a deal with an OEM manufacturer who is looking to expand their market (BAIC in this instance) and then proceeded to start a simple assembly process using SKDs (Semi-Knocked down parts) from the OEM (BAIC). This in a nutshell, is IVM's business model. Quite unfortunately, rather than look at facts, many of our fellow countrymen will keep propagating lies (because nah my broda from my village nah!), keep wallowing in ignorance and self-deceit! Innoson is doing what is needed to grow an industry and if he keeps having success, perhaps at some point in the far future, the company may actually have the funds and the (R& D) department needed to develop an indigenous product.! For now however, all we have is an assembly plant - one that is a great deal inferior to what PAN and VWON had been able to accomplish in the 70s and early 80s. And if you ask me why? Well, PAN and VWON were fully fledged assembly plants that were capable of a complete assembly processes (called CKD assembly). CKD (Completely Knocked Down parts) plants, unlike Semi-Knocked Down (SKD) plants, involves putting together hundreds of components and parts that came in bolts and nuts pieces which often includes structural welding and paint shop! SKD on the other hand is like a starters kit in which most of the components come pre-assembled and painted, you only need to couple the major components together to have a car! Again, CKD comes in pieces, while SKD comes in Component parts. The only thing that was missing from the former PAN and VWON operation in being able to completely manufacture was that there was no Sheet metal stamping, robotic welds, design department and (R& D) department! If you ask me, Nigeria was a lot more advanced in the 70s! Most of the auto manufacturers in Nigeria now simply do SKD and that is why they can get by with such small assembly plants! In finality, for the sake of the stubborn ones in our midst, I will break down the source of each of Innoson's car models for you - google is your friend!:

1. Innoson G80 is simply a locally assembled and rebadged BAIC BJ80
2. Innoson G40 again is a locally assembled and rebadged BAIC BJ40
3. Innoson G6 is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Tiger SUV (an obscure Chinese manufacturer)
4. Innoson G5 is a locally assembled & rebadged Gonow Aoosed G5 (A subsidiary of GAC)
5. Innoson Granite is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Terralord
6. Innoson Carrier is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Tiger TUV
7. Innoson G20 is a locally assembled & rebadged Weiwang M20 (Weiwang is a subsidiary of BAIC)
8. Innoson Fox is a locally assembled & rebadged BAIC E150/E130 Hatchback
9. Innoson Umu is a locally assembled & rebadged BAIC E150/E130 Sedan
10. Innoson 6540 bus is basically a locally assembled & rebadged Foton View
11. Innoson 5000 Van is basically a locally assembled & rebadged Foton Alpha
* Note: Foton is yet another subsidiary of BAIC!

And there you have it - a complete and undiluted synopsis on the basis, origin and source of Innoson vehicles! IVM's much taunted automobile 'original manufacturing' claims are largely false! If anyone is still in doubt, google is your friend - please make use of it!

As I said, Innoson does assemble from SKD components - this makes them a local assembly plant by law! There is currently a Nigerian policy (Nigerian Automotive Industry development Plan (NAIDP)) that has been implemented since 2015 which now makes it attractive for Manufacturers and investors to set up small local SKD assembly plants. Innoson, like many others, is simply taking advantage of this. Although I refer to many of the models "locally assembled & rebadged", in reality many of them may not even assembled but may just be imported and marketed under the brand! I am not sure which ones are imported (I don't have the data) but from the pricing, I do suspect that both the G80 and the G40 are simply imported! The NAIDP policy allows and encourages local assembly manufacturers to import 2 vehicles for every vehicle assembled in Nigeria - for this, they get a reduced duty rate (35%) instead of (70%)! At N27 million, it is pretty obvious that the G80 is one of those ones imported!

In my opinion, it would have been better and more credible to simply be truthful and own up to the fact that as a young company, they have no proprietary technology and indeed can't be expected to have one for many years. Being an Assembly plant is good enough for many developed countries and I see no reason to lie!

Iegendhero:


You don't seems to learn. The answer to your last statement is NO.

And the likes of JAC will have their VIN manufactured in China because they actually did manufacture that. This is different from reverse Engineering because Innoson is Manufacturing nothing.

Everything he does is to import all the part and then do the usual stuffs of reassembling the cars, structural welding and painting.

Will he in the future manufacture for real? Probably.

But as he stand now he is just assembling Chinese cars with his own brand.

Read the below, do I need to open your brain and insert word into it?

gwafaeziokwu:




[s], proeast come and carry una friend abeg.

According to him "Innoson does his usual stuff of reassembling, then structural welding and painting".

Help me ask him at what point do Innoson assemble the cars; after structural welding and painting or before

Does it mean that China send down plain steel to Innoson to weld and paint? I am confused biko someone should help explain to me what CKD is again.[/s]

Midas02: A lot of comments I see here shows how little we Nigerians know about how industries really work. As much as we claim to love cars, we really have no clue about the industry! Innoson (IVM) is nothing but an SKD assembly plant!! I do not want to take anything away from his efforts as an industrialist, but com'on guys, we need to start coming clean on issues rather than making deceitful claims - it is the first rule of international business! Innoson really does what any other third world aspiring investor would do - he went to China, struck a deal with an OEM manufacturer who is looking to expand their market (BAIC in this instance) and then proceeded to start a simple assembly process using SKDs (Semi-Knocked down parts) from the OEM (BAIC). This in a nutshell, is IVM's business model. Quite unfortunately, rather than look at facts, many of our fellow countrymen will keep propagating lies (because nah my broda from my village nah!), keep wallowing in ignorance and self-deceit! Innoson is doing what is needed to grow an industry and if he keeps having success, perhaps at some point in the far future, the company may actually have the funds and the (R& D) department needed to develop an indigenous product.! For now however, all we have is an assembly plant - one that is a great deal inferior to what PAN and VWON had been able to accomplish in the 70s and early 80s. And if you ask me why? Well, PAN and VWON were fully fledged assembly plants that were capable of a complete assembly processes (called CKD assembly). CKD (Completely Knocked Down parts) plants, unlike Semi-Knocked Down (SKD) plants, involves putting together hundreds of components and parts that came in bolts and nuts pieces which often includes structural welding and paint shop! SKD on the other hand is like a starters kit in which most of the components come pre-assembled and painted, you only need to couple the major components together to have a car! Again, CKD comes in pieces, while SKD comes in Component parts. The only thing that was missing from the former PAN and VWON operation in being able to completely manufacture was that there was no Sheet metal stamping, robotic welds, design department and (R& D) department! If you ask me, Nigeria was a lot more advanced in the 70s! Most of the auto manufacturers in Nigeria now simply do SKD and that is why they can get by with such small assembly plants! In finality, for the sake of the stubborn ones in our midst, I will break down the source of each of Innoson's car models for you - google is your friend!:

1. Innoson G80 is simply a locally assembled and rebadged BAIC BJ80
2. Innoson G40 again is a locally assembled and rebadged BAIC BJ40
3. Innoson G6 is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Tiger SUV (an obscure Chinese manufacturer)
4. Innoson G5 is a locally assembled & rebadged Gonow Aoosed G5 (A subsidiary of GAC)
5. Innoson Granite is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Terralord
6. Innoson Carrier is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Tiger TUV
7. Innoson G20 is a locally assembled & rebadged Weiwang M20 (Weiwang is a subsidiary of BAIC)
8. Innoson Fox is a locally assembled & rebadged BAIC E150/E130 Hatchback
9. Innoson Umu is a locally assembled & rebadged BAIC E150/E130 Sedan
10. Innoson 6540 bus is basically a locally assembled & rebadged Foton View
11. Innoson 5000 Van is basically a locally assembled & rebadged Foton Alpha
* Note: Foton is yet another subsidiary of BAIC!

And there you have it - a complete and undiluted synopsis on the basis, origin and source of Innoson vehicles! IVM's much taunted automobile 'original manufacturing' claims are largely false! If anyone is still in doubt, google is your friend - please make use of it!

As I said, Innoson does assemble from SKD components - this makes them a local assembly plant by law! There is currently a Nigerian policy (Nigerian Automotive Industry development Plan (NAIDP)) that has been implemented since 2015 which now makes it attractive for Manufacturers and investors to set up small local SKD assembly plants. Innoson, like many others, is simply taking advantage of this. Although I refer to many of the models "locally assembled & rebadged", in reality many of them may not even assembled but may just be imported and marketed under the brand! I am not sure which ones are imported (I don't have the data) but from the pricing, I do suspect that both the G80 and the G40 are simply imported! The NAIDP policy allows and encourages local assembly manufacturers to import 2 vehicles for every vehicle assembled in Nigeria - for this, they get a reduced duty rate (35%) instead of (70%)! At N27 million, it is pretty obvious that the G80 is one of those ones imported!

In my opinion, it would have been better and more credible to simply be truthful and own up to the fact that as a young company, they have no proprietary technology and indeed can't be expected to have one for many years. Being an Assembly plant is good enough for many developed countries and I see no reason to lie!

LegendHero:


Lol, Even baba luku the painter for our area in ibadan can paint cars let alone Innoson or any other care assemblers for that matter!

gwafaeziokwu:




[s]I know, even you if you give it a try. So tell me what exactly Innoson paints in his plant. Does the manufactured parts from China come without paint or do Innoson repaint them after assembling.

By the way your are clearly out of league here my friend just give it a rest.[/s]

LegendHero:


Stop saying nonsense. Even Baba Mufu can paint cars, is he also a manufacturer?

already gave up coz this is the second time he will run away from this type of argument with me. We both did this already on another thread some days ago!

LegendHero:


Stop wasting my time, I can't spoonfeed you all the time.

What happens if for example the paint on the body parts are scratched either through container handling or other cause?

Will Innoson go and meet Shinedu the painter in Aba to come and repaint the car ?

gwafaeziokwu:


[s]

Now I confirm that you are OLODO square. We are not doing beer parlour discussion here please.

Here is your home work. Google steps in car manufacturing and then read up on bagde Engineering. Look up any of the numerous videos of innoson vehicle manufacturing process on the internet. Then give your self a big knock for disgracing your lineage on this thread.
[/s]

A lot of comments I see here shows how little we Nigerians know about how industries really work. As much as we claim to love cars, we really have no clue about the industry! Innoson (IVM) is nothing but an SKD assembly plant!! I do not want to take anything away from his efforts as an industrialist, but com'on guys, we need to start coming clean on issues rather than making deceitful claims - it is the first rule of international business! Innoson really does what any other third world aspiring investor would do - he went to China, struck a deal with an OEM manufacturer who is looking to expand their market (BAIC in this instance) and then proceeded to start a simple assembly process using SKDs (Semi-Knocked down parts) from the OEM (BAIC). This in a nutshell, is IVM's business model. Quite unfortunately, rather than look at facts, many of our fellow countrymen will keep propagating lies (because nah my broda from my village nah!), keep wallowing in ignorance and self-deceit! Innoson is doing what is needed to grow an industry and if he keeps having success, perhaps at some point in the far future, the company may actually have the funds and the (R& D) department needed to develop an indigenous product.! For now however, all we have is an assembly plant - one that is a great deal inferior to what PAN and VWON had been able to accomplish in the 70s and early 80s. And if you ask me why? Well, PAN and VWON were fully fledged assembly plants that were capable of a complete assembly processes (called CKD assembly). CKD (Completely Knocked Down parts) plants, unlike Semi-Knocked Down (SKD) plants, involves putting together hundreds of components and parts that came in bolts and nuts pieces which often includes structural welding and paint shop! SKD on the other hand is like a starters kit in which most of the components come pre-assembled and painted, you only need to couple the major components together to have a car! Again, CKD comes in pieces, while SKD comes in Component parts. The only thing that was missing from the former PAN and VWON operation in being able to completely manufacture was that there was no Sheet metal stamping, robotic welds, design department and (R& D) department! If you ask me, Nigeria was a lot more advanced in the 70s! Most of the auto manufacturers in Nigeria now simply do SKD and that is why they can get by with such small assembly plants! In finality, for the sake of the stubborn ones in our midst, I will break down the source of each of Innoson's car models for you - google is your friend!:

1. Innoson G80 is simply a locally assembled and rebadged BAIC BJ80
2. Innoson G40 again is a locally assembled and rebadged BAIC BJ40
3. Innoson G6 is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Tiger SUV (an obscure Chinese manufacturer)
4. Innoson G5 is a locally assembled & rebadged Gonow Aoosed G5 (A subsidiary of GAC)
5. Innoson Granite is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Terralord
6. Innoson Carrier is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Tiger TUV
7. Innoson G20 is a locally assembled & rebadged Weiwang M20 (Weiwang is a subsidiary of BAIC)
8. Innoson Fox is a locally assembled & rebadged BAIC E150/E130 Hatchback
9. Innoson Umu is a locally assembled & rebadged BAIC E150/E130 Sedan
10. Innoson 6540 bus is basically a locally assembled & rebadged Foton View
11. Innoson 5000 Van is basically a locally assembled & rebadged Foton Alpha
* Note: Foton is yet another subsidiary of BAIC!

And there you have it - a complete and undiluted synopsis on the basis, origin and source of Innoson vehicles! IVM's much taunted automobile 'original manufacturing' claims are largely false! If anyone is still in doubt, google is your friend - please make use of it!

As I said, Innoson does assemble from SKD components - this makes them a local assembly plant by law! There is currently a Nigerian policy (Nigerian Automotive Industry development Plan (NAIDP)) that has been implemented since 2015 which now makes it attractive for Manufacturers and investors to set up small local SKD assembly plants. Innoson, like many others, is simply taking advantage of this. Although I refer to many of the models "locally assembled & rebadged", in reality many of them may not even assembled but may just be imported and marketed under the brand! I am not sure which ones are imported (I don't have the data) but from the pricing, I do suspect that both the G80 and the G40 are simply imported! The NAIDP policy allows and encourages local assembly manufacturers to import 2 vehicles for every vehicle assembled in Nigeria - for this, they get a reduced duty rate (35%) instead of (70%)! At N27 million, it is pretty obvious that the G80 is one of those ones imported!

In my opinion, it would have been better and more credible to simply be truthful and own up to the fact that as a young company, they have no proprietary technology and indeed can't be expected to have one for many years. Being an Assembly plant is good enough for many developed countries and I see no reason to lie!

gwafaeziokwu:




Lol. He simply gave up on your ignorance. We are used to your gorilla dusts which you use to deceive you fellow westerners here on Nairaland. They swallow your blatant lies hook ,line and sinker.

Umu Igbo know how to scratch the surface. Every single lie you posted here has been rubbished. Now you are licking your vomit. From shouting they do not manufacture, you are now saying that they weld and paint. Stick to one line of argument.

gwafaeziokwu:




Lol. He simply gave up on your ignorance. We are used to your gorilla dusts which you use to deceive you fellow westerners here on Nairaland. They swallow your blatant lies hook ,line and sinker.

Umu Igbo know how to scratch the surface. Every single lie you posted here has been rubbished. Now you are licking your vomit. From shouting they do not manufacture, you are now saying that they weld and paint. Stick to one line of argument.

Iegendhero:


Stop wailing.

You should have advised your kinsmen that attacked NORD in the first place. I only respond to their ignorance.

And no, Innoson is just like the other several African companies selling rebadged Chinese cars. They are completely different from the example you gave about Toyota and the likes.

He is basically replicating everything on the Chinese car 100% even down to the rims. Check the Interior of the cars, they are 100% thesame without any difference.

I am not saying he won't grow later coz people always start from somewhere, but I presented that 100% of the cars by Innoson are Chinese cars because our people try to badmouth the new guy on the block Ford.

Let me give you an example. All vehicles bear a VIN which identifies the country of manufacture. Even if it was manufactured in a different country different from the home country, the VIN will bear the identity of the country of manufacture.

At least if Innoson is doing General Mechanical design or anything you want to call it, it should have still carried the name of the manufacturing company as Nigeria. Why is it that all his car VIN are branded Manufactured in China?

Below is Innoson. Everything is Chinese.

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gwafaeziokwu:



What is on discuss is clearly above your pay grade. You lump together so many different terminologies to defend what you are ignorant about.

Control operations, subsidiary, franchise all in one post and then finally ask at the tail end what bagde engineering is. Meaning you are just talking for the sake of it. Let's even assume that Chinese control operations at IVM plant, what exactly are they controlling? Is it coupling of knocked down parts or actually fabricating from the scratch? If it is the later then you have no argument.

It doesn’t matter whose technology Innoson is using in his plant , what matters is that he utilizes the knowledge in manufacturing his vehicles to market standard.

BlindedIrony:


Chinese or not, you can never reach his height. His manufacturing companies employ a lot of Nigerians. His cars sale quite well. What Innonson is doing, you can never do what he has done. Your Grandfather did not. Your father did not. And, you will not. I mean Nigerians will remember Innonson once he is gone like EkeneDilichukwu and co. Must be painful to watch Innonson progress every day? Everyone cannot be contribute to society, my little boy. Some of us will fight battles on the internet, while the rest will accomplish things in real life. Invincible people come and go. Such is life. It is what it is.

BlindedIrony:


[b]Exactly! That is what I was trying to point out to this fool whose has nothing going on in his life like the rest of us. [/b]The Chinese knockout most of the American products- from military to basic phones. They did not import it. The designs are there for them to knockout. Innonson does the same. Does not matter what they look at alike. The shit that matters is that he has physical locations that build 80% of these mechanical structures with hundreds of Nigerian workers.
Look at the car batteries in the world- are they not the same designs? Do not mind internet warrior joor. Only an illiterate or a jobless so-called graduate will spend all day copying and re-posting post to bring down a Nigerian whose companies are providing jobs for jobless youths.

Come to think of it? The idiot cannot even get a job at Innonson or NORD. He is not that skillful. Someone tell the house Nigga to keep waiting for your colonial master

gwafaeziokwu:





Drug manufacturing technology is not a Nigerian technology. Infact almost all pharmaceutical companies in Nigeria borrow drug formulation from British pharmacopedia with little tweak in active ingredients here and there. Can you now say that a company like Emzor do not manufacture paracetamol because the formular is not originally theirs. Use your brain for once and stop talking rubbish.


Innoson do not hide where he got his technology from. It is all over the internet. He is not in competition with the big boys in the industry who can afford high cost of R & D into new models. Badge Engineering is his sure bet to stay afloat until he gets to that point where he can give Nigeria a place on the map.

LegendHero:


LOL.

Any man that has to say I am a king is no true king. I won't start chestbeating or wailing with what I have achieved on here BUT I am pretty sure you can't even come close financially to the people I employ in my co-owned non-bank MFI back home in Naija?

I don't know why you guys are wailing too much on this thread. It is not that serious especially when I am just showing the truth with credible sources.

LegendHero:


You guys and your usual wailing and tears over simple issues. All what we are doing here is just setting record straight and here you are attacking me personally just because I air my opinion.

I might not be where Innoson is right now, but at my current age, I am doing very good for myself. I am not even sure with all sincerity that Innoson achieved what I have currently achieved (educationally and financial wise) when he was in his mid-20s.

Ogbeni we are just starting and stop bringing all those emotional rubbish on here. Because I don't own an assembly plant doesn't imply that I can't air my opinions freely online.