jln115:

-I'm talking about Nigeria today with only 8 mig21s/F7s.... And Fapla also had mig23s and Mi24s as I showed you.

I am talking of FAPLA, the ragtag army of the 70s- 90s that demystified SADF. And I am comparing them to the Nigerian army of around the same period that deployed 24 MIGs against FAPLA with 12.
Even today, the army has just purchased 12 tucano. How many do the Angolans have?

jln115:

- 100 000 permanent soldiers yes..... 500 000 part time/conscripts, and fyi together with the the Israeli defence force were considered one of the best if not the best trained military in the world at that time..

Nah! Total soldiers 80,000, made up of 30,000 regular soldiers and 30,000 conscripts. Don't bring in the Israelis, please. You are already bogged down with the Angolans/Cubans discussion.

jln115:

...and battle field results reflect that, secondly Israel were able to decimate Egypt with their conscripts, just like a handful of Boer citizens were able to hold of the British empire for 3 years. Also are we also talking about the same Cuito Cuanavale which was never even a SADF objective to take? And the same Cuito Cuanavale where the SADF destroyed 100 Tanks, 60+ APCs, 12 Aircraft for the loss of 3 Tanks, 11 APCs and 3 Aircraft

Even the spear- wielding Zulus once beat an English force.
Simple: SADF could not take cuito cuanavane. Doesn't matter how many Angolans you killed there, it marked the turning point in the war.

jln115:

- we have the Rooivalk, which flies higher, hovers higher, flies further, flies faster sideways, and has more hard points.

- we have better military technology yes...especially wrt communication, C4ISR, missiles, Radar ect ect.

Apache is better than your Rooivak. Cut out the bullshit.
Hardware is part of technology, and the Egyptians have got far more than you do.
Besides, quantity- in some instance- is quality. Hence you rank behind Egypt. Even behind Algeria.

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jln115:

..... Wow didn't know broadband had military applications

The Tiba1 has military application. Never knew you couldn't see well. Look closely.

obaaderemi:
I am talking of FAPLA, the ragtag army of the 70s- 90s that demystified SADF. And I am comparing them to the Nigerian army of around the same period that deployed 24 MIGs against FAPLA with 12.
Even today, the army has just purchased 12 tucano. How many do the Angolans have?

Nah! Total soldiers 80,000, made up of 30,000 regular soldiers and 30,000 conscripts. Don't bring in the Israelis, please. You are already bogged down with the Angolans/Cubans discussion.
Even the spear- wielding Zulus once beat an English force.
Simple: SADF could not take cuito cuanavane. Doesn't matter how many Angolans you killed there, it marked the turning point in the war.

Apache is better than your Rooivak. Cut out the bullshit.
Hardware is part of technology, and the Egyptians have got far more than you do.
Besides, quantity- in some instance- is quality. Hence you rank behind Egypt. Even behind Algeria.

- The Tiba1 has military application. Never knew you couldn't see well. Look closely.

- What about the Mig23s and SU22s?? You just ignoring them?

- Angola has 6 super Tucano

- bro it was 87000 permanent soldiers and 500 000 conscripts..... I think I would know since 2 of my uncles were captains in the SADF and my dad a lieutenant.

- There was never a single operation that had the objective to take Cuito.... And all SADF operations in Angola are now open to the public.... You can even check for yourself.

-yes US apaches I would say would have better avionics especially the newest E models..... But not Egypt D models... And in terms of Raw performance the Rooivalk trumps the Apache.

- I never argued that Egypt doesn't have more hardware .... I said the SANDF is more technically advanced.

- again...... Wow didn't know broadband has military applications

obaaderemi:
I am talking of FAPLA, the ragtag army of the 70s- 90s that demystified SADF. And I am comparing them to the Nigerian army of around the same period that deployed 24 MIGs against FAPLA with 12.
Even today, the army has just purchased 12 tucano. How many do the Angolans have?

Nah! Total soldiers 80,000, made up of 30,000 regular soldiers and 30,000 conscripts. Don't bring in the Israelis, please. You are already bogged down with the Angolans/Cubans discussion.
Even the spear- wielding Zulus once beat an English force.
Simple: SADF could not take cuito cuanavane. Doesn't matter how many Angolans you killed there, it marked the turning point in the war.

Apache is better than your Rooivak. Cut out the bullshit.
Hardware is part of technology, and the Egyptians have got far more than you do.
Besides, quantity- in some instance- is quality. Hence you rank behind Egypt. Even behind Algeria.

- The Tiba1 has military application. Never knew you couldn't see well. Look closely.

Obaa you're just wasting your time arguing with an incorrigible idiot called jln whatever his name is.

Problemkid1:
Obaa you're just wasting your time arguing with an incorrigible idiot called jln whatever his name is.

Well, PKid, I think you are right.

jln115:

- What about the Mig23s and SU22s?? You just ignoring them?

- Angola has 6 super Tucano

- bro it was 87000 permanent soldiers and 500 000 conscripts..... I think I would know since 2 of my uncles were captains in the SADF and my dad a lieutenant.

- There was never a single operation that had the objective to take Cuito.... And all SADF operations in Angola are now open to the public.... You can even check for yourself.

-yes US apaches I would say would have better avionics especially the newest E models..... But not Egypt D models... And in terms of Raw performance the Rooivalk trumps the Apache.

- I never argued that Egypt doesn't have more hardware .... I said the SANDF is more technically advanced.

- again...... Wow didn't know broadband has military applications

I think you are a bit insane.
I started suspecting when you compared the Apache to the Rooivalk.
And also when you kept repeating that Tiba1 is purely a broadband satellite. Something is broken somewhere. Problemkid is correct.

Problemkid1:
Obaa you're just wasting your time arguing with an incorrigible idiot called jln whatever his name is.

LOL!! laaitjie looking for some attention!!

jln115:
LOL!! laaitjie looking for some attention!!

Lol you think everyone is laaitjie like you. Wawa kowai

obaaderemi:
Well, PKid, I think you are right.

I'm always right, bro

obaaderemi:
I think you are a bit insane.
I started suspecting when you compared the Apache to the Rooivalk.
And also when you kept repeating that Tiba1 is purely a broadband satellite. Something is broken somewhere. Problemkid is correct.

"It has outstanding "hot and high" performance, illustrated by its 5,545m "out-of-ground effect" hover ceiling (the height at which it can hover without the cushion of air caused by rotor downwash). The next best is the US Apache (3,866m), followed by the Russian Mi-28 and Ka-52 (3,600m); the Franco-German Tiger (3,200m) and the Chinese WZ-10 (2,000m). The Rooivalk also has the highest cruise speed, the best rate of climb and the best range/weapons load performance, and shares with the Tiger the best power to weight ratio, all factors critical in operations and combat."
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rsa/rooivalk-mk2.htm


Not my opinion.......just facts

And yes the TIBA1 is a purely Broadband satellite......in terms of its military use it provides secure broadband communication for the military.................

Problemkid1:
Lol you think everyone is laaitjie like you. Wawa kowai

Nope....but you,,,definitely

jln115:
LOL!! laaitjie looking for some attention!!

Wallai this guy is jobless...all he does is roam the streets of NL 24/7 365 days a year. Never knew that the unemployment situation in SA is that bad.

Problemkid1 and Obaaderemi stop giving this guy unneeded attention.

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Saddamochieng00:


Wallai this guy is jobless...all he does is roam the streets of NL 24/7 365 days a year. Never knew that the unemployment situation in SA is that bad.

Problemkid1 and Obaaderemi stop giving this guy unneeded attention.

LOL Bro you spend on average 2.5 hours on nairaland a day when on average I spend 30min a day on nairaland...........And yes I've atually calculated it!!

Funny enough both Obaaderemi and Problemkid1 spend more time online per day than i do

jln115:
LOL Bro you spend on average 2.5 hours on nairaland a day when on average I spend 30min a day on nairaland...........And yes I've atually calculated it!!

Can you please show me how you came up with that figure

jln115:
LOL Bro you spend on average 2.5 hours on nairaland a day when on average I spend 30min a day on nairaland...........And yes I've atually calculated it!!

Funny enough both Obaaderemi and Problemkid1 spend more time online per day than i do

You must be tripping boy....no matter what time of the day I log onto NL your ugly name must always show up.

If you spend more time on constructive activities SA wouldn't be in the situation it is in today

Saddamochieng00:


You must be tripping boy....no matter what time of the day I log onto NL your ugly name must always show up.

If you spend more time on constructive activities SA wouldn't be in the situation it is in today

Easy calculation.........you can do it yourself:

You joined NL on the 17th of May 2020 and you have already spent 11 days online.........Which equals 2.5 hours a day.

I on the other hand joined NL 7 Dec 2014 and spent 2 month online.........which equals around 40 minutes a day.

Do the same calculation for Obaaderemi and Problemkid1 you get 58min and 2.4 hours respectively

Maybe you should take your own advice

jln115:


"It has outstanding "hot and high" performance, illustrated by its 5,545m "out-of-ground effect" hover ceiling (the height at which it can hover without the cushion of air caused by rotor downwash). The next best is the US Apache (3,866m), followed by the Russian Mi-28 and Ka-52 (3,600m); the Franco-German Tiger (3,200m) and the Chinese WZ-10 (2,000m). The Rooivalk also has the highest cruise speed, the best rate of climb and the best range/weapons load performance, and shares with the Tiger the best power to weight ratio, all factors critical in operations and combat."
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rsa/rooivalk-mk2.htm


Not my opinion.......just facts

This couple of facts and specs do not make

the rooivalk better than the Apache.
A whole lot of specs are considered in ranking such stuff. The Apache, which Egypt possesses is a better attack helicopter than the Rooivalk overall. Heck even the Ka 52 Alligator- which Egypt possesses as well - is better. What's more? Egypt has got loads of this choppers. That's technology, my boy.

jln115:

And yes the TIBA1 is a purely Broadband satellite......in terms of its military use it provides secure broadband communication for the military.................

Admit you didn't know the TIBA 1 has military applications. It won't kill you.

Saddamochieng00:


You must be tripping boy....no matter what time of the day I log onto NL your ugly name must always show up.

If you spend more time on constructive activities SA wouldn't be in the situation it is in today

At least the South African brings learned debates to the table, although he rarely admits his errors and is insane.
Still better than little Indians and their childish insults.

jln115:

Easy calculation.........you can do it yourself:

You joined NL on the 17th of May 2020 and you have already spent 11 days online.........Which equals 2.5 hours a day.

I on the other hand joined NL 7 Dec 2014 and spent 2 month online.........which equals around 40 minutes a day.

Do the same calculation for Obaaderemi and Problemkid1 you get 58min and 2.4 hours respectively

Maybe you should take your own advice

I said it you are insane.
Nairaland carries about 90% Nigerian stuff. I get a lot of information on nairaland on agric in Nigeria, education in Nigeria, politics in Nigeria, etc. So naturally, as an ardent user of nairaland and as a Nigerian, I am supposed to use far more time on nairaland than you, a South African. Yet you use just a little less time than I do on nairaland! That's a scandal.
You and the saddamochieng guy(2.5 hrs/day)- a kenyan- are idle!

obaaderemi:
At least the South African brings learned debates to the table, although he rarely admits his errors and is insane.
Still better than little Indians and their childish insults.

Are you trying to insult me or what

Is it not a proven fact that 90% of Nigerians are retards

Both Nigeria(15) and Angola(15) both have more attack helicopters than South Africa(12). Incidentally, South Africa is the manufacturer of a top attack helicopter brand, the Rooivalk. So, how come?

Kenya can not even afford a single attack helicopter. Despite trouble from the shabab boys.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/aircraft-helicopters-attack.asp

Saddamochieng00:


Are you trying to insult me or what

Is it not a proven fact that 90% of Nigerians are retards

I don't need to insult you. You are insulting yourself already.

obaaderemi:
I said it you are insane.
Nairaland carries about 90% Nigerian stuff. I get a lot of information on nairaland on agric in Nigeria, education in Nigeria, politics in Nigeria, etc. So naturally, as an ardent user of nairaland and as a Nigerian, I am supposed to use far more time on nairaland than you, a South African. Yet you use just a little less time than I do on nairaland! That's a scandal.
You and the saddamochieng guy(2.5 hrs/day)- a kenyan- are idle!

You get this information on a forum explains a lot!!

I came to nairaland because of the African military forums mate nairaland is also the only forum I'm currently active on so yeah!! your excuse that you are Nigerian and I'm SAn means fokkol

obaaderemi:
Both Nigeria(15) and Angola(15) both have more attack helicopters than South Africa(12). Incidentally, South Africa is the manufacturer of a top attack helicopter brand, the Rooivalk. So, how come?

Kenya can not even afford a single attack helicopter. Despite trouble from the shabab boys.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/aircraft-helicopters-attack.asp

Cost mostly!! due to geopolitics SA struggled to secure export customers to offset the R& cost. Luckily there is a lot of interest for a new Rooivalk Mk2 which is basically the currnt one with upgraded electronics/avionics

obaaderemi:
This couple of facts and specs do not make

the rooivalk better than the Apache.
A whole lot of specs are considered in ranking such stuff. The Apache, which Egypt possesses is a better attack helicopter than the Rooivalk overall. Heck even the Ka 52 Alligator- which Egypt possesses as well - is better. What's more? Egypt has got loads of this choppers. That's technology, my boy.
Admit you didn't know the TIBA 1 has military applications. It won't kill you.

- I said better Raw performance..........i admitted that US Apache Es have the upper hand especially when it comes to avionics. And what makes Egypt's Apache D(or KA 52s) better than the Rooivalk?.........enlighten me with facts and specifications like I brought you!!!

- I didn't know broadband has military uses? LOL

jln115:
You get this information on a forum explains a lot!!

This is a very informative forum,boy. There's a lot to learn on nairaland actually. Check the agricultural section and see first hand experience being given. Also, politics- bar the insults.

jln115:

I came to nairaland because of the African military forums mate nairaland is also the only forum I'm currently active on so yeah!! your excuse that you are Nigerian and I'm SAn means fokkol

This is bullshit at best, iranu at worst.
How can a South African spend close to the same time as a Nigerian on a forum that discusses mainly Nigerian stuff? Meanwhile, I am sure you have multiple monikers here.

obaaderemi:
This is a very informative forum,boy. There's a lot to learn on nairaland actually. Check the agricultural section and see first hand experience being given. Also, politics- bar the insults.

This is bullshit at best, iranu at worst.
How can a South African spend close to the same time as a Nigerian on a forum that discusses mainly Nigerian stuff? Meanwhile, I am sure you have multiple monikers here.

- Cool story bro!!

- Go look at my profile, 95% of my posts are military related in threads that are related to African......I repeat African(not Nigerian) militaries. The whole Kenya vs Nigeria thread is a new thread i've joined just for the laughs also I only have one other monikers which I use if this one gets banned namely jl115

Lol I heard they've re-opened that stupid Kenyan thread...Nigerians gather here and comment..don't go back there...this is the genesis of this long argument..the kenyans better swallow their pride and come face us here with topic above or forget it for good....a very simple and easy deal..
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jln115:

- Cool story bro!!

- Go look at my profile, 95% of my posts are military related in threads that are related to African......I repeat African(not Nigerian) militaries. The whole Kenya vs Nigeria thread is a new thread i've joined just for the laughs also I only have one other monikers which I use if this one gets banned namely jl115

Cool story, indeed. You spend more time on the Kenya/Nigeria thread than the military thread. For the laughs indeed That shows how hard up you must be in real life.

You spend almost an hour of your life everyday on a Nigerian forum against an hour spent by a Nigerian on a Nigerian forum, and something does not tell you "all is not well with you".

Samorobo2:
Lol I heard they've re-opened that stupid Kenyan thread...Nigerians gather here and comment..don't go back there...this is the genesis of this long argument..the kenyans better swallow their pride and come face us here with topic above or forget it for good....a very simple and easy deal..

They are afraid of this title. It's called "being insecure".

jln115:

- I said better Raw performance..........i admitted that US Apache Es have the upper hand especially when it comes to avionics. And what makes Egypt's Apache D(or KA 52s) better than the Rooivalk?.........enlighten me with facts and specifications like I brought you!!!

What facts did you bring? You stated a couple of specs and nothing more. I can also give you one or two specs which put the KA 52 alligator ahead of the Rooivalk- and even more.
For example, the ka52 is faster and has bigger missiles than the rooivalk.

jln115:

- I didn't know broadband has military uses? LOL

I didn't know you were blind.

obaaderemi:
Cool story, indeed. You spend more time on the Kenya/Nigeria thread than the military thread. For the laughs indeed That shows how hard up you must be in real life.

You spend almost an hour of your life everyday on a Nigerian forum against an hour spent by a Nigerian on a Nigerian forum, and something does not tell you "all is not well with you".

- only the last couple of months have I spent more time on the Kenya vs Nigeria thread..... That's simply due to most of the military threads slowing down.

- 40min vs 1hour...... Also what difference does it make wether I'm Nigerian or South African? the threads I'm involved in are international topics. And I'm pretty sure you spend more than 1 hour a day watching your Dstv..... Which is South African, so basically you are spending more time watching South African TV than myself