patrickmuf:
I'll put the finishing and movement down to inputs from the technical team.

The Dembele line was put forth just to buttress the point that it's not every player our rival signs that's worth it and not because I support his purchase. Look at people already hailing Liverpool for signing Tiago who is already 29 and injury prone but if we had signed him, the mood here would've been dampened...Jota who wasn't as important to Wolves as Traore is tagged an improvement even when Traore isn't rated by the same folks.

Ole has been here for one and a half season yet we still don't have an identity compared to Liverpool when Klopp first took charge or Manchester City with Pep.

How much was jota signed?

Why you dey talk like this now

If Traore is quoted for 40 mil do you think Liverpool will sign jota over him?

You go spend 75 Milla on-top Adama

Na wa oh

CapitalCee:


The truth is United fans want the high sounding record breaking signings instead of the humble decent and efficient acquisition. Greizmann transfer saga was exactly like that of Sancho. 90% of the fans were bullying the board to splash on Greizmann even with his ridiculous wages. You may not be among those asking for him at that time, just like me anyway.

I personally didn’t want United to sign Griezmann, because he wasn’t the player United desperately needed at that point. Grizzy’s style of play wasn’t exactly the type United needed.

It’s not advisable to go for just any player, else the circle of clamor for more players will continue.

In Sancho’s case, his style of play looks to fit into what OGS wants from his attackers. Everyone talks about how Sancho needs space, what about Rashford? Does Rashford not also need space?

This is where the scouts are needed. If Sancho is overpriced, find someone with a similar style of play.

This was why Klopp bought Keita, Jota & Minamino etc. Klopp generally loves players that are engines on the pitch, because it enforces his gengenpress tactics.

OGS true shortcoming is his inability to tweak during a match, when things are not in going in his favor, and bark at his players when they don’t do what he wants.

Regardless, if he leaves today, the next coach will still demand for players that fit a style, and ofcourse United will drag as they always do. It’s constant.

CapitalCee:


Guardiola has won 8 trophies in 4 years at city, including breaking the point total. We already know his quality. That cannot be said of Ole.

I only asked a simple question.

I didn't ask for Guardiola's CV.

CapitalCee:


That's not the point. You want to label him injury prone, even when he only caught a virus, even the most fittest player can get it. Come off it

But he’s injury-prone nah

Liverpool won the Premier League. They already have an excellent squad. They can afford to take risks like this. United cannot.

So when they sign him, Yes, they are strengthening. United should also strengthen, but not with injury-prone guys.

We already have a lot of Doctors at the club, both as medical staff, players and fans.

Karleb:


I only asked a simple question.

I didn't ask for Guardiola's CV.

Apparently winning 8 trophies makes it ok to lose 5-2 at home.

Perera gone.

afrodoc2:




Na joke i dey joke. You all need to relax. That way you will have peace of mind. Let me give you my opinion.

1) In my opinion it is fully confirmed and certified that Ole is not tactically sound. Sooner or later (probably sooner) we need to get a forward thinking manager. Ole will have to go at some point IMO but it is still too early in the season for the kind of overreaction that has been seen on this thread. He has to be seen to have failed before he can be sacked. That is how jobs work, it is not normal to sack someone in anticipation of his failure cos no one knows tomorrow. No manager will get sacked after 2 games so Ole out people have to relax.........it is not happening soon.

2) The major issue we need to sort (which i have mentioned before) is not sacking Ole, but getting the right manager to replace him. If we hurriedly sack and appoint like we did with JM/Ole we will be back in this same position in 2years.


3) I don't think the manager we need to move forward is Poch. His teams played a boring, narrow, and physical style very reliant on peak Kane, Dembele, Ali, Eriksen. Immediately a number of those guys lost form his team collapsed. His system is not one that can work long term in a big club.
I don't see Poch as this extraordinary tactician especially in terms of attacking football and do not believe he is the right man for the job.


4) Even though Ole is tactically poor, i think the club could have done better in terms of player acquisition. JM made a number of mistakes in this regard and i believe Ole has done the same thing.
He has bought some decent players that stylistically are wrong for the team he is trying to build. Maguire is too slow to play the highline which we need to maintain a good press and keep good pressure on small teams, AWB is too unskilled to play for a big team as a RB (I warned people here about this before we bought him and now he gets criticized almost every match day for this).

Sometimes it is not about the individual quality of the player but how he fits in a system. Our team has been built like a mansion that had different sections designed by different architects. Ole, just like JM before him has to take a large chunk of the blame in this as well.

5) Finally, even with this squad our football should be much better. And we can't blame it all on fatigue. These problems have been there since last season but the quality of a number of our players allows us to get away with a poor system.
We don't know how to press as a team. We don't know how to play pass and move. We don't make use of triangles. Our full backs are rarely set up to have space in the final third because our side to side transition is SLOW.
All this is on Ole (NO MATTER THE QUALITY OF THE PLAYERS). Ole in people should accept this as well because i think this is what annoys others the most.

This is it...

nitrogen:


I still don’t get it, you want them to sign more than 8 players in 2 seasons? Omo, una matter strong o!

No way but it is clear we need 1 or 2 additions

KingAlabi:

How much was jota signed?

Why you dey talk like this now

If Traore is quoted for 40 mil do you think Liverpool will sign jota over him?

You go spend 75 Milla on-top Adama

Na wa oh

Read that post again, this time slowly and you'll grasp the point in it...

nitrogen:


Oga, every football club owner cares about profit. You guys better come together, and buy the club, then keep buying 200m players worth every year, and see if you won’t go bankrupt. You think it’s just about revenues, what about salaries and wages, and transfers?

All these dividend yarns, since 2005, these guys never commot total of 100m in dividends. You know how much equity they contributed to buy the club?

Bros, stop behaving like those unlearned YouTube analysts that yarn opata.

All this Sancho or nothing crew insisting the club spend that massive €120m no go sabi manage money. Give any of them ₦1m, he go shock you after 1 week to see how dem don blow the money on irrelevant stuff. They think it is feasible for a club to be spending £200m every season on signing players? Other staff no go collect salaries abi or the club no go carry out capital projects like maintainance of Old Trafford and Carrington. Only expensive players are quality player to them, see wetin Fraudgba dey serve us since we broke transfer record to sign him..

dubylhover:


Omo local man is exhausted oo

E be things

GloryIsaac:


Liverpool and Man City have strengthened their squad depth, but Man Utd (the club that can only do what other teams dream of in the transfer market) is still pricing players up and down.

If Manchester United won the English Premier League last season, I guarantee you that they will not sign any player this window.

The club owners are also dealing with their NFL club in U.S, and only come back to get dividends. It's about profit, not football. Strictly business.

It's a low down shame

And some noobs will still be blaming Woodward and the board that they Don't back managers

#OleOUT

afrodoc2:




Na joke i dey joke. You all need to relax. That way you will have peace of mind. Let me give you my opinion.

1) In my opinion it is fully confirmed and certified that Ole is not tactically sound. Sooner or later (probably sooner) we need to get a forward thinking manager. Ole will have to go at some point IMO but it is still too early in the season for the kind of overreaction that has been seen on this thread. He has to be seen to have failed before he can be sacked. That is how jobs work, it is not normal to sack someone in anticipation of his failure cos no one knows tomorrow. No manager will get sacked after 2 games so Ole out people have to relax.........it is not happening soon.

2) The major issue we need to sort (which i have mentioned before) is not sacking Ole, but getting the right manager to replace him. If we hurriedly sack and appoint like we did with JM/Ole we will be back in this same position in 2years.


3) I don't think the manager we need to move forward is Poch. His teams played a boring, narrow, and physical style very reliant on peak Kane, Dembele, Ali, Eriksen. Immediately a number of those guys lost form his team collapsed. His system is not one that can work long term in a big club.
I don't see Poch as this extraordinary tactician especially in terms of attacking football and do not believe he is the right man for the job.


4) Even though Ole is tactically poor, i think the club could have done better in terms of player acquisition. JM made a number of mistakes in this regard and i believe Ole has done the same thing.
He has bought some decent players that stylistically are wrong for the team he is trying to build. Maguire is too slow to play the highline which we need to maintain a good press and keep good pressure on small teams, AWB is too unskilled to play for a big team as a RB (I warned people here about this before we bought him and now he gets criticized almost every match day for this).

Sometimes it is not about the individual quality of the player but how he fits in a system. Our team has been built like a mansion that had different sections designed by different architects. Ole, just like JM before him has to take a large chunk of the blame in this as well.

5) Finally, even with this squad our football should be much better. And we can't blame it all on fatigue. These problems have been there since last season but the quality of a number of our players allows us to get away with a poor system.
We don't know how to press as a team. We don't know how to play pass and move. We don't make use of triangles. Our full backs are rarely set up to have space in the final third because our side to side transition is SLOW.
All this is on Ole (NO MATTER THE QUALITY OF THE PLAYERS). Ole in people should accept this as well because i think this is what annoys others the most.

Hmmm, this is really detailed and good. Maybe we don’t sign players for the manager again, we should focus on signing players for the team. OGS has also failed in terms of identifying good players to buy. Mou and LVG did fail as well.

Chai, we suppose dey pity dem Glazers sef......

nani667:
And some noobs will still be blaming Woodward and the board that they Don't back managers

#OleOUT

Noobs ke? Calm down na!

TrebleChamp:
All this Sancho or nothing crew insisting the club spend that massive €120m no go sabi manage money. Give any of them ₦1m, he go shock you after 1 week to see how dem don blow the money on irrelevant stuff. They think it is feasible for a club to be spending £200m every season on signing players? Other staff no go collect salaries abi or the club no go carry out capital projects like maintainance of Old Trafford and Carrington. Only expensive players are quality player to them, see wetin Fraudgba dey serve us since we broke transfer record to sign him..

I agree with you, even though Pogba is my favourite. I blame OGS for Poogba‘a performances. Pogba played very well under Mou even though they were not friends.

patrickmuf:
Read that post again, this time slowly and you'll grasp the point in it...

You are talking about players that other clubs signed that if mentioned here we will disregard and mention jota of Liverpool

And I said if Adama was 40 million do you think Liverpool will sign jota??

nitrogen:


Hmmm, this is really detailed and good. Maybe we don’t sign players for the manager again, we should focus on signing players for the team. OGS has also failed in terms of identifying good players to buy. Mou and LVG did fail as well.

Chai, we suppose dey pity dem Glazers sef......

That is where a DOF comes in. Someone with football know-how who has a long term vision of how the team should play, what sort of players we need to implement that style, and the coach who can best oversee everything.

If you have a possession minded manager for 2 years and buy 5 players, then a pure ultra-defensive counter-attack coach for 2 more years and buy 5 more players, then a quasi-pressing coach and buy 5 players you will have a team of strange bedfellows in which the parts don't really fit.
That is what we have.

You can't pity a rich man who is penny wise and pound foolish. The Glazers are the ones that appointed Woodward and continue to give him overall control over the football matters even when it is obvious that he is weak in that area.
By keeping him in charge of that part of the club and not appointing a savvy football mind to oversee it they have contributed to this problem.

I believe i have said this before, but if i had a seat on the board like you i would appoint Ralf Rangnick as DOF and Julian Nagelsmann as manager. Please pass this message along to your colleagues.

KingAlabi:

You are talking about players that other clubs signed that if mentioned here we will disregard and mention jota of Liverpool

And I said if Adama was 40 million do you think Liverpool will sign jota??

My post was more about the player than the price. If we made a move for Jota at that price, won't you guys say he isn't going to MASSIVELY improve us? In the same vein you guys claim Liverpool are improving their team...How are Liverpool improving their team by signing Jota yet Adama won't be an improvement if we signed him.

You are quick to point at Adama's price but have no qualms if we spent £108m on Sancho...E be things.

afrodoc2:


That is where a DOF comes in. Someone with football know-how who has a long term vision of how the team should play, what sort of players we need to implement that style, and the coach who can best oversee everything.

If you have a possession minded manager for 2 years and buy 5 players, then a pure ultra-defensive counter-attack coach for 2 more years and buy 5 more players, then a quasi-pressing coach and buy 5 players you will have a team of strange bedfellows in which the parts don't really fit.
That is what we have.

You can't pity a rich man who is penny wise and pound foolish. The Glazers are the ones that appointed Woodward and continue to give him overall control over the football matters even when it is obvious that he is weak in that area.
By keeping him in charge of that part of the club and not appointing a savvy football mind to oversee it they have contributed to this problem.

I believe i have said this before, but if i had a seat on the board like you i would appoint Ralf Rangnick as DOF and Julian Nagelsmann as manager. Please pass this message along to your colleagues.

Was about replying Alaga money man Nitrogen's post with this.

Thanks for the heads up.

I have nothing to say

Sir Nitrogen please push to sign Telles, Sancho and Upamecano for us, you can sack Ole the night after.

Jah will bring more ripe dividends at the next AGM

Edakun epp us.

nani667:
And some noobs will still be blaming Woodward and the board that they Don't back managers

#OleOUT

We hardly ever make profit when selling so I prefer not to look at net spent.

codedguy1:
I have nothing to say

Since you resigned as José's secretary of special duties, we barely know what's happening at the club anymore

KingAlabi:


Everything just dey wrong with this post

Well let's head into the season with rashford Greenwood and martial as our main forward players

Why we dey always underestimate players we have for here?

melodyogonna:

Why we dey always underestimate players we have for here?

Na the patternless football wey we dey play dey make our players look average. Bring Sancho come here see whether we no go start to complain after a couple of games. Our system is very dysfunctional and it didn't take long for our new arrival, Van De Beek to notice it. His advisors are already talking about how bad we play.

Lana1:

Apparently winning 8 trophies makes it ok to lose 5-2 at home.

Didn’t SAF team lost 6-1 at Old Trafford to Roberto Mancini City?

It's like Ole wants to intentionally crash out of Carabao.
That line up get as e be

afrodoc2:


That is where a DOF comes in. Someone with football know-how who has a long term vision of how the team should play, what sort of players we need to implement that style, and the coach who can best oversee everything.

If you have a possession minded manager for 2 years and buy 5 players, then a pure ultra-defensive counter-attack coach for 2 more years and buy 5 more players, then a quasi-pressing coach and buy 5 players you will have a team of strange bedfellows in which the parts don't really fit.
That is what we have.

You can't pity a rich man who is penny wise and pound foolish. The Glazers are the ones that appointed Woodward and continue to give him overall control over the football matters even when it is obvious that he is weak in that area.
By keeping him in charge of that part of the club and not appointing a savvy football mind to oversee it they have contributed to this problem.

I believe i have said this before, but if i had a seat on the board like you i would appoint Ralf Rangnick as DOF and Julian Nagelsmann as manager. Please pass this message along to your colleagues.

Lol, colleague kwa?

Someone technically has that role already na. Matt Judge. Marina does same for Chelsea. Titles are just different.

timay:
It's like Ole wants to intentionally crash out of Carabao.

That line up get as e be

No story, na only Carabao sure for the guy this season.