airmark:


Fraudiola took over a hot Bayern team that just won Ucl after previously losing in the final to Chelsea. Can you say the same for the team that Magath took over?

Your boy a40 is still cursing Fraudiola for messing up a team that should have dominated Europe for like 3 more years.

A fraud is always a fraud.

tesppidd:
This one wey dem carry fight come here na wa o

A40:
Guy no dey mention my name for your jejune arguments. I go call Sodik to come torment your life just now

raumdeuter:


Bayern also won the CL in 2001 a few seasons before Magath joined

airmark:



Unlike Fraudiola that took over Ucl defending champions and failed woefully consecutively.

airmark:


You and Sodik dey craze.

You should even be happy that i mentioned you for being strangely sensible that Fraudiola is a fraud.

A40:
If I call Sodik to come insult you and shit on top your head now you go begin dey cry. Oponu agbalagba

Why bring my name into your rubbish discussion. When last have you heard me talk about Pep? Wetin concern me?

raumdeuter:


Magath had 3 seasons did not make 1 semi final. Pep made 3 semis

airmark:


Call ur boss Sodiki to come ode.

You are afraid of Dayo abi? I will continue to call u to come and blast Fraudiola whether you like it or not. Ajakaja40.

A40:
[s]Wetin dey worry this asewon.

Afraid of who? Shey you dey MENT ni you this foolish wasteman. I say no dey include my name for your rubbish discussions. Oponu agbalagba[/s]

A40:

I won't deny I was pro-Pep when he came in fact I recall the grueling arguments I had here with Nitlad where we argued extensively and he warned me. I was unhappy with the way we sidelined Don Jupp, but we were getting Pep it would be worth it we all thought

However I started seeing cracks when he brought that 4-1-4-1 nonsense. After seeing us in the knockout stages of the CL no well meaning Bayern fan was comfortable with our style of play! I had issues with Pep from the very first season because I always saw us losing the same damn way. Mauling small fry like Porto, Donetsk, losing badly to Barça, Madrid and looking outclassed while at it. You can argue with my choice of words and tag it like hyperbole but this is the normal response to Fraudiola apostles who think the sun shines from his behind.

A40:


Your Pep Fraudiola took us from defending Champions to disgrace. Which we haven't fully recovered from.

He will end up in China in a few years. O ti sure ju

airmark:


I will continue to put your name here to expose Fraudiola, you can kill yourself. Ajakaja

A40:
[s]Asewon buruku. Leave my name out of your foolish arguments. Odaaran ponbele[/s]

A40:

I won't deny I was pro-Pep when he came in fact I recall the grueling arguments I had here with Nitlad where we argued extensively and he warned me. I was unhappy with the way we sidelined Don Jupp, but we were getting Pep it would be worth it we all thought

However I started seeing cracks when he brought that 4-1-4-1 nonsense. After seeing us in the knockout stages of the CL no well meaning Bayern fan was comfortable with our style of play! I had issues with Pep from the very first season because I always saw us losing the same damn way. Mauling small fry like Porto, Donetsk, losing badly to Barça, Madrid and looking outclassed while at it. You can argue with my choice of words and tag it like hyperbole but this is the normal response to Fraudiola apostles who think the sun shines from his behind.

A40:


Your Pep Fraudiola took us from defending Champions to disgrace. Which we haven't fully recovered from.

He will end up in China in a few years. O ti sure ju

tesppidd:
A40 and airmark go pay rent for hear ooh.

tesppidd:
Antsu Fati started the Nations league on fire for Spain.
Ever since he's dropped performances.

Let's hope and pray for him as he returns.

joviegghead:


Were you expecting back to back fiery performances. Chill. Dude's still young. I meant upcoming. Reduce the expectations.

tesppidd:
I am not criticizing.

I am genuinely worried because that was how he started last season.

And he's supposed to be a mainstay this season cus I still don't trust Dembele.

If he knows he's still "upcoming" they better find how to sign someone at winter; even if it's Depay.
To complement the squad.

tesppidd:
Lionel Messi by numbers:

More than a decade of dominance in La Liga and beyond.


Lionel Messi is closing in on a mammoth 750 appearances for Barcelona in what could be his final season for them.

The Argentine’s contract expires at the end of 2020/21 and given his very public fallout with the club board this past summer, the potential for him to not renew in Catalunya is very real.



Messi would leave behind a legacy of feats, practically all of them achieved by him during his time at the Camp Nou. If there’s a record to be set, you can be sure Messi has set it.

tesppidd:
Lionel Messi by numbers:

More than a decade of dominance in La Liga and beyond.


Lionel Messi is closing in on a mammoth 750 appearances for Barcelona in what could be his final season for them.

The Argentine’s contract expires at the end of 2020/21 and given his very public fallout with the club board this past summer, the potential for him to not renew in Catalunya is very real.



Messi would leave behind a legacy of feats, practically all of them achieved by him during his time at the Camp Nou. If there’s a record to be set, you can be sure Messi has set it.



Messi’s dominance is especially apparent in La Liga.
League play is the benchmark of consistency and quality that all great squads aspire to. It is the hardest trophy to win and most managers consider it the best. It perhaps lacks the razzle dazzle of a knockout cup, but it illustrates true consistency and quality better. And if two words summed up Lionel Messi’s footballing career, it would be consistency and quality.


The Argentine has been great ever since his debut.
But starting with 2006/07, the first season he played more than 20 league games, his performance and output in La Liga is absolutely, utterly, incomprehensibly ridiculous.
He dominates every major metric that Opta keep track of. Don’t believe us? Well check this out:



La Liga since 2006/07:


1. Appearances
Lionel Messi: 464
Raul Garcia: 454
Aritz Aduriz: 425



Messi’s ability to always be fit for selection is an underrated part of his skill-set. It is what makes all the records you’re about to read possible. By managing his physical exertion in games (i.e. those times when he walks around) he manages to stay fit and avoid serious injuries, meaning more minutes for much magic.


2. Dribbling
Take-ons completed

Lionel Messi: 2,039
Joaquin: 749
Andres Iniesta: 739


Messi’s dribbling is quite simply without equal. Usually great dribblers have a few years where they’re able to dance past anyone, but Messi has been doing it for nigh-on 15 years now. Bewitching and bewildering defenders for an entire generation. Levels.



3. Playmaking
Chances created

Lionel Messi: 1,019
Xavi: 662
Joaquin: 639

Messi’s passing is definitely his most underrated skill, as he is genuinely one of the best playmakers in the world and has been for a decade. He is constantly putting team-mates into positions to score.


4. Assists

Lionel Messi: 181
Dani Alves: 89
Cristiano Ronaldo: 87

Messi’s 181 assists is a huge number that owes itself the quality of his team-mates (Luis Suárez, Samuel Eto’o, Neymar, etc.) but the massive gulf between chances created and assists shows that he could have created more goals for Barcelona if said team-mates were sharper.



5. Goalscoring
Shots on target

Lionel Messi: 1,039
Cristiano Ronaldo: 831
Karim Benzema: 449

“You’ve got to make the goalkeeper work,” is what the old heads always say about shooting, and Messi does just that more often than anyone.


6.Goals

Lionel Messi: 438
Cristiano Ronaldo: 311
Karim Benzema: 170

Goals are the most basic currency in football, and it is a currency in which Messi deals regularly. The Argentine’s ability to outscore even a dedicated goal-getter like Cristiano Ronaldo while maintaining the rest of his game to a ridiculous level is why he’s the greatest of all time.



7.Direct Free-kick goals

Lionel Messi: 36
Cristiano Ronaldo: 20
Dani Parejo: 11
Benat: 11

Messi’s expertise from set-pieces emerged in 2012 and has been a significant feature of his time in Barcelona since. When Messi stands over a free-kick, you can feel the anticipation build to fever pitch… and then he shoots!



8.Goals from outside the box

Lionel Messi: 79
Cristiano Ronaldo: 42
Santi Cazorla: 22

But Messi’s ability from range is not restricted to set-pieces, from chips against Tenerife to thunderbolts vs. Osasuna to bending beauties at the Bernabeu, Messi is lethal from all distances.




Across Europe.

*If Messi’s magical metrics in La Liga weren’t impressive enough, his production is actually that dominant across all of Europe’s top five leagues.
You may wonder how those absurd numbers from above stack up against all of Europe’s finest since 2006/07? Can Messi’s dominance extend out across all of the top five leagues and over other legends who dominate their own divisions? Let’s have a look.


Europe’s top five leagues since 2006/07:

1. Appearances
Hugo Lloris: 477
Samir Handanovic: 474
Blaise Matuidi: 467

This is a bright start for the anti-brigade as Messi doesn’t feature among the top three appearance-makers across Europe’s top five leagues. He’s only three appearances away from levelling Blaise Matuidi, however, and given the Frenchman is currently playing in the MLS we are not far from seeing Messi break the top three.


2. Dribbling
Take-ons completed

Lionel Messi: 2,039
Eden Hazard: 1,244
Franck Ribery: 974

Messi remains Dribble God even when up against someone like Eden Hazard, who has spent most of the time facing less technically excellent defenders in England, or Franck Ribery dicing up defenders in the counter-happy Bundesliga. He simply cannot be touched.



3. Playmaking
Chances created

Dimitri Payet: 1,162
Mesut Ozil: 1,107
Lionel Messi: 1,019

Messi quite predictably drops a bit down the list for pure chances created, as dedicated playmakers Payet and Ozil (who also take every passing set-piece, which Messi doesn’t) edge their way above him. That he is still contending with guys, whose only job is to set team-mates up, again shows the breadth of his brilliance.



4. Assists

Lionel Messi: 181
Cesc Fabregas: 136
Mesut Ozil: 132

Messi cannot be touched for assists, though. As good as Cesc Fabregas and Ozil are (and remember some of those Fabregas assists were for Messi) they cannot compare to the Argentine’s ability to create goals.



5. Goalscoring.
Shots on target

Cristiano Ronaldo: 1,187
Lionel Messi: 1,039
Zlatan Ibrahimovic: 676

With his spells at Old Trafford and Juventus Stadium taken into account, Cristiano Ronaldo manages to surpass Messi for hitting the target with his shots.



6. Goals.

Lionel Messi: 438
Cristiano Ronaldo: 432
Zlatan Ibrahimovic: 257

Cristiano Ronaldo is older than Messi and since 2008 has dedicated himself wholesale to goalscoring, yet Messi has outdone him in this area. Not by much, admittedly, but again: Messi is a player who spreads his influence across every facet of his team’s attack, and dominates all of those facets.



7. Direct Free-kick goals

Lionel Messi: 36
Cristiano Ronaldo: 30
Miralem Pjanic: 16
Juan Arango: 16
Andrea Pirlo: 16

Messi’s free-kick dominance extends even over Cristiano’s Manchester United period when the Portuguese was lethal from dead-ball situations. Other specialists like new team-mate Pjanic and the hipster legend Pirlo aren’t even close, seeing their totals doubled by Messi.



8. Goals from outside the box

Lionel Messi: 79
Cristiano Ronaldo: 58
Zlatan Ibrahimovic: 37

Messi is football’s deadliest sniper, rifling in more goals from distance than anyone else, even Cristiano Ronaldo and the mighty Zlatan Ibrahimovic.


Messi can dribble to shoot from close, he can shoot straight-up from range, he can thread the eye of the needle with a pass and he can do all this while playing almost every game possible. That he only dropped out of one of the above top threes when his metrics were placed against the very best Europe can offer says it all.

Completely dominated world football for the past 14 years.

The best player in the world, bar none.

Karleb:


What Stat padding is this?

Karleb:


What Stat padding is this?

Awesome01:


Bros, google is your friend and its free to search it. Kindly pick each of the stats you claimed are padded, search on it on google for the years listed by Tespidd, and post your findings with verifiable sources in order to dispute his figures.

Thank you.

But if you can't do that simple thing, shut up and get out of our thread.

Karleb:


Get well soon.