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Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by joviegghead: 4:46pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
tesppidd: As in, this thing is just so annoying. The thrash I have been reading his baffling. Dude based his argument on the abandoned claim that Messi's success is based on his reliance on Xavi and Iniesta. The whole world have abandoned such thinking because he's proven everyone wrong by single handedly picking barca and Argentina to levels they would have never been. All by himself. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by tesppidd: 4:49pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
joviegghead:Na all these over-sabi people. The success of the Barca team 2008 to 2015 was down to many individuals; most notably; Messi Xavi Iniesta Busquets Puyol Dani And Pep Guordiola. But if anybody has to pick only one individual; the most important figure and they picked anyone other than Messi, Then that person is insane. 4 Likes |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Godx: 4:58pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
joviegghead:Bro you are clouded by sentiments and it shows. Messi was the best player at Barca during Pep era no one is debating that with you but he was not the X factor. The X factor for Barca dominating teams and regarded as one of the greatest teams of all time was our Midfield trio spearheaded by Xavi. Without Messi, the trio also dominated Europe and the World. The base of our legendary team was Xavi, Iniesta and Busi. If Guardiola had that prime trio at Bayern and City he would have dominated more than he did. Check Messi performance for Argentina and Barca during Pep era and see the difference. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by joviegghead: 5:04pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
Godx: It's your opinion. But This claim of yours has expired. But again, it's your opinion. Take out Messi from that team and imagine what will be left. See the thrash you're spewing. "If Guardiola had the prime trio at Bayern and City he would have dominated more than he did" . Just wow. Just give him Messi. That's all. 1 Like |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Godx: 5:06pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
IKON360:Well put but at the bold bro Guardiola is well known today for creating and coaching one of the greatest teams of all time not Messi. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by IKON360(m): 5:10pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
tesppidd:Before the ascent and after the descent of Xavi and Iniesta, what has Spain won in World football? What has Spain even done in World football? You know that Alonso, Casillas were in the national team before Xavi and Iniesta. Ramos too. And what did that Spain side win. Then 2008 things started changing and improving due to the influence of the Barca players spearheaded by Xavi and Iniesta. And by 2010, they won the world cup and to lay emphasis on their supremacy they won the Euros in 2012. Without Messi. No one is downplaying Messi's. But Guardiola was extremely privileged to have Xavi, Iniesta and Messi when he had them. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Godx: 5:10pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
joviegghead:I am not making any claims, I am speaking facts you are just blinded by sentiments not to se it but it's ok bro. We had Messi but have been disgraced the last couple seasons in the champions league. Your theory of just give him Messi is already down in dust. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by joviegghead: 5:21pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
Godx: Oh dear! So you're saying a Messi-included man city/Bayern team wouldn't achieve anything. Damn! I think I know the problem. You're just another 'i-am-not-a-messi-asslicker' fan. Trying to prove nonsense. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by IKON360(m): 5:24pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
This argument isn't an attempt to downplay Messi's importance to the team. Messi was important. But even that Barca struggled without Xavi in some matches, Xavi was the heart beat of that Barca side. Then we had the skill, dribbling and passing of Iniesta. A master at manipulating small spaces, Busquets who is invisible in matches, but the moment he is injured you just know something is missing in the team, nerves of steel. Messi was awesome but these players were key in our dominance. And to lend credence to what Godx is saying, Guardiola has never had a midfield as good as this. Never and he may never. Of course, Messi is the cherry on top. Also remember the number of finals Iniesta has been man of the match for us. Especially that lovely 2015 UCL 2 Likes |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Godx: 5:27pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
joviegghead:K |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by IKON360(m): 5:27pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
Godx:Nah, Guardiola would always been known for coaching and creating one of the greatest teams of all time AND the greatest player of all time. You can't mention Guardiola without mentioning Messi and you can't mention Messi without mentioning Guardiola. Heck Messi won 4 Ballon d'ors under Guardiola's tutelage and shattered record after record under Guardiola. Guardiola was in charge when we had the best versions of Messi |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Godx: 5:32pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
IKON360:I would rather say Guardiola brought out the best version of Barca Messi. It's refreshing to see a fellow Barca fan that's rational unlike others that are quick to tag other people posts as "trash and nonsense". |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by IKON360(m): 5:50pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
Godx:Thank you. But Barca Messi is still Argentina Messi. Argentina isn't a club, they never had the players like Barca did. But they did extremely well in 2014 World Cup, coming 2nd with Messi the best player. So I think Messi has been very crucial and influential not just in Barca but for Argentina. Remember they did his miracle to even qualify for 2018 World Cup. And there was no Xavi and Iniesta nor Guardiola. Messi has been phenomenal I tell you. Heck he has reached 3 finals with Argentina, 2 at Copa America and 1 at the world cup and he was the best player or among the best players for these tournaments. So I think Messi is that important. Of course Xavi and Iniesta elevated that Barca side but Messi was extremely crucial |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Godx: 5:56pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
IKON360:Well I disagree on the bold. Barca Messi and Argentina Messi are very different bro. Maybe due to lack of players,world class coach or proper system but Barca Messi is very distinct from the Messi I see in Argentina. Argentina have never utilized Messi properly and apart from one competition which was the Copa America he has never light up any tournament with Argentina like he does regularly in the champions league. 1 Like |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 6:02pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
People just come here to downplay Messi’s influence on our game. Heck, even the Spanish team y’all claimed to have dominated were very lucky in some games both at the World Cup and Euros..You think if they had Messi things wouldn’t have been different... I could remember in 2010 against Inter-Milan, Messi was man-marked and these same trio couldn’t do anything also...abegi! 2 Likes |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by tesppidd: 6:06pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
IKON360: ![]() Xavi and Iniesta are 2 different people. Also there is bothing like ascent of Xavi and Iniesta in world football Pique, Alba and Busquets were the only first team players in 2008 who were not at World Cup 2006 in Germany. And the only starter at Euro 2008 who was also in the starting eleven in 2006 was ........ Stop misinforming the public. Every one of Puyol, Ramos, Iniesta, Xavi, Casillas and Alonso had their first major national team role at Germany 2006. I know we are all Barca but any attempt to restrict the successes of the golden Spain generation to Xavi and Iniesta only is as false as false can be. Spain of 2008 to 2012 had a very solid team from goalkeeper to defence to midfield to attack. But Argentina! Very rich in attack, mediocre in midfield, mediocre in defence, mediocre between the sticks. Messi was playing with Otamendi and Mascherano and who in defence and midfield?? ? Banega, Biglia, Perez? Oh please!! That logic about Xavi and Iniesta winning without Messi but Messi failing without them and so they were more important than Messi in the Barca set up is so laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by tesppidd: 6:21pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
Two fun facts! 1. Messi's hattrick against Equador was the only reason we saw Argentina at World Cup 2018. 2. Before Tuesday's qualifier against Bolivia, the last time any player not named Messi scored for Argentina in a World Cup qualifier was in 2016. 2016! 2016!! 2016!!! Let that sink in. And some dude would come up here and be talking Barca Messi, Argentina Messi. Mtcheew. 4 Likes |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by IKON360(m): 6:30pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
tesppidd:This thing is simple, Spain were under performing at the national stage until Euros 2008. After then the rise of Barca as a force to be reckoned coincided with the rise of Spain in national team football. Also the success of the Spanish golden generation isn't being restricted to Xavi and Iniesta, just as the success of the Barca side of 2008/2009 isn't restricted to just Messi. And this Argentina you are ridiculing have reached 3 finals, THREE!! Two Copa America and 1 World Cup final. So don't undermine them. You don't reach finals by coincidence or luck, you play well and reach the final. Even the finals all were decided in either Extra time or penalties. Modified Argentina and Messi have lost 4 finals, Copa America 2007, World Cup 2014, Copa America 2015 and Copa America 2016. 2 Likes |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by IKON360(m): 6:36pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
Godx:Messi has lit up many tournaments with Argentina, World Cup 2014, Best player. Copa America 2015 best player but he rejected the award according to one article on telegraph. If that's not lighting up a tournament, I don't know what is |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by tesppidd: 7:01pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
IKON360:Bolded GBAM! So how then does anybody come up with such logic; Xavi and Iniesta = Trophy for Spain. Messi = No trophy for Argentina. Therefore it is proven that Xavi and Iniesta were more instrumental to Barca's success than Messi was. I mean how does someone draw such conclusion? How does someone reason like this.? |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by FirstbornWds: 7:59pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
joviegghead: Dude made it seem like Pep was in charge of the National team at that time. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by tobiboss(m): 8:01pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
TLona1:Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Bayern win this year's club world cup if there will be one, they will also have a sextuple right? |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Sommyroy10: 8:38pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
tobiboss:Yea, you are right, but there won't be club world cup. 2 Likes |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 9:13pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
Omo griezmann and koeman go enter one trouser this season. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 9:39pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
Xanslyte: Dude wanna play Messi’s position, but koeman gave him a “Go Bleep yourself” reply Such a cry baby ![]() |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by GrammarNazi1(m): 9:41pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
haymekus:The mumu wan dey drag position with Messi. No be him fault sha |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by jpmoriarti(m): 9:45pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
I hope Koeman benches Grezimann tomorrow to teach him a lesson ![]() |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 9:46pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
haymekus: ![]() |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 9:50pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
Xanslyte: Na bartomeu cause all these nonsense. After disgracing barce on TV, the mumu president still went on to sign him Anyways he has increased the hatred most barce player and fans already have on him |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 9:50pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
jpmoriarti: ![]() |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by GrammarNazi1(m): 9:52pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
jpmoriarti:We can see through your sarcasm! |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 9:52pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
You drop this type of mediocre performance, the next thing that comes to your mind is Messi should make way for you Nonsense
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