tesppidd:
What do you mean by "the midfield"?

Or are you guys telling us that a team of 11 players played football but only Xavi and Iniesta won the world cup?

You mean Xavi and Iniesta won the world cup and the euros?

Not David Villa?
Not Fernando Torres?
Not Carlos Puyol?
Not Gerald Pique?
Not Sergio Ramos?
Not the GOAT goalkeeper at the time Iker Casillas?

Wao!

The dude has no point! Even if he was working decimals all day, he'd still have no point.

As in, this thing is just so annoying.
The thrash I have been reading his baffling. Dude based his argument on the abandoned claim that Messi's success is based on his reliance on Xavi and Iniesta.

The whole world have abandoned such thinking because he's proven everyone wrong by single handedly picking barca and Argentina to levels they would have never been. All by himself.

joviegghead:


As in, this thing is just so annoying.
The thrash I have been reading his baffling. Dude based his argument on the abandoned claim that Messi's success is based on his reliance on Xavi and Iniesta.

The whole world have abandoned such thinking because he's proven everyone wrong by single handedly picking barca and Argentina to levels they would have never been. All by himself.

Na all these over-sabi people.

The success of the Barca team 2008 to 2015 was down to many individuals; most notably;

Messi
Xavi
Iniesta
Busquets
Puyol
Dani
And Pep Guordiola.

But if anybody has to pick only one individual; the most important figure and they picked anyone other than Messi,
Then that person is insane.

joviegghead:


I'll totally understand you trying to downplay Messi's influence in barca's success.
You said Messi's performances with argentina proved his over reliance on the midfield trio during Pep's era. How about his performances after that?

See bro, the midfield was important, but Messi was the man. He wasn't just the cherry on top of the cake, he was the X factor. He practically made the job of the midfield and attackers look easier.

The midfield trio thrived with Spain not because they were superhunans , but because Spain was bursting with talents. The Spanish midfield had xabi alonso and others who made things happen with or without them. Simply put, the Spanish team was complete from attack to defense.

Bro you are clouded by sentiments and it shows. Messi was the best player at Barca during Pep era no one is debating that with you but he was not the X factor. The X factor for Barca dominating teams and regarded as one of the greatest teams of all time was our Midfield trio spearheaded by Xavi. Without Messi, the trio also dominated Europe and the World. The base of our legendary team was Xavi, Iniesta and Busi. If Guardiola had that prime trio at Bayern and City he would have dominated more than he did. Check Messi performance for Argentina and Barca during Pep era and see the difference.

Godx:

Bro you are clouded by sentiments and it shows. Messi was the best player at Barca during Pep era no one is debating that with you but he was not the X factor. The X factor for Barca dominating teams was our Midfield trio spearheaded by Xavi. Without Messi, the trio also dominated Europe and the World. The base of our legendary team was the Xavi, Iniesta and Busi. If Guardiola had the prime trio at Bayern and City he would have dominated more than he did.Check Messi performance for Argentina and Barca during Pep era and see the difference.

It's your opinion. But This claim of yours has expired.

But again, it's your opinion. Take out Messi from that team and imagine what will be left.

See the thrash you're spewing. "If Guardiola had the prime trio at Bayern and City he would have dominated more than he did" . Just wow.

Just give him Messi. That's all.

IKON360:

Well you have point, because the midfield without Messi won the world cup and two Euros. And Messi without that midfield hasn't won an international trophy. Even though these were awesome players.
But I still think that Messi was instrumental in taking that midfield to the next level of excellence. If you watched some of Spain's matches in that 2010 and many of Guardiola's matches without Messi, some resolute teams have proven extremely difficult to break down. From Madrid, Athletico Madrid for Guardiola to Germany, Netherlands etc for Spain.
But I still think that Guardiola is known today, not because of his work with the best midfielders in the last 10 years but because of his work with the best player ever

Well put but at the bold bro Guardiola is well known today for creating and coaching one of the greatest teams of all time not Messi.

tesppidd:
What do you mean by "the midfield"?

Or are you guys telling us that a team of 11 players played football but only Xavi and Iniesta won the world cup?

You mean Xavi and Iniesta won the world cup and the euros?

Not David Villa?
Not Fernando Torres?
Not Carlos Puyol?
Not Gerald Pique?
Not Sergio Ramos?
Not the GOAT goalkeeper at the time Iker Casillas?

Wao!

The dude has no point! Even if he was working decimals all day, he'd still have no point.

Before the ascent and after the descent of Xavi and Iniesta, what has Spain won in World football? What has Spain even done in World football? You know that Alonso, Casillas were in the national team before Xavi and Iniesta. Ramos too. And what did that Spain side win. Then 2008 things started changing and improving due to the influence of the Barca players spearheaded by Xavi and Iniesta. And by 2010, they won the world cup and to lay emphasis on their supremacy they won the Euros in 2012. Without Messi.
No one is downplaying Messi's. But Guardiola was extremely privileged to have Xavi, Iniesta and Messi when he had them.

joviegghead:


It's your opinion. But This claim of yours has expired.

But again, it's your opinion. Take out Messi from that team and imagine what will be left.

See the thrash you're spewing. "If Guardiola had the prime trio at Bayern and City he would have dominated more than he did" . Just wow.

Just give him Messi. That's all.

I am not making any claims, I am speaking facts you are just blinded by sentiments not to se it but it's ok bro. We had Messi but have been disgraced the last couple seasons in the champions league. Your theory of just give him Messi is already down in dust.

Godx:

I am not making any claims, I am speaking facts you are just blinded by sentiments not to se it but it's ok bro. We had Messi but have been disgraced the last couple seasons in the champions league. Your theory of just give him Messi is already down in dust.

Oh dear! So you're saying a Messi-included man city/Bayern team wouldn't achieve anything. Damn!

I think I know the problem. You're just another 'i-am-not-a-messi-asslicker' fan. Trying to prove nonsense.

This argument isn't an attempt to downplay Messi's importance to the team. Messi was important. But even that Barca struggled without Xavi in some matches, Xavi was the heart beat of that Barca side. Then we had the skill, dribbling and passing of Iniesta. A master at manipulating small spaces, Busquets who is invisible in matches, but the moment he is injured you just know something is missing in the team, nerves of steel. Messi was awesome but these players were key in our dominance.
And to lend credence to what Godx is saying, Guardiola has never had a midfield as good as this. Never and he may never. Of course, Messi is the cherry on top.
Also remember the number of finals Iniesta has been man of the match for us. Especially that lovely 2015 UCL

joviegghead:


Oh dear! So you're saying a Messi-included man city/Bayern team wouldn't achieve anything. Damn!

I think I know the problem. You're just another 'i-am-not-a-messi-asslicker' fan. Trying to prove nonsense.

K

Godx:

Well put but at the bold bro Guardiola is well known today for creating and coaching one of the greatest teams of all time not Messi.

Nah, Guardiola would always been known for coaching and creating one of the greatest teams of all time AND the greatest player of all time. You can't mention Guardiola without mentioning Messi and you can't mention Messi without mentioning Guardiola. Heck Messi won 4 Ballon d'ors under Guardiola's tutelage and shattered record after record under Guardiola. Guardiola was in charge when we had the best versions of Messi

IKON360:

Nah, Guardiola would always been known for coaching and creating one of the greatest teams of all time AND the greatest player of all time. You can't mention Guardiola without mentioning Messi and you can't mention Messi without mentioning Guardiola. Heck Messi won 4 Ballon d'ors under Guardiola's tutelage and shattered record after record under Guardiola. Guardiola was in charge when we had the best versions of Messi

I would rather say Guardiola brought out the best version of Barca Messi. It's refreshing to see a
fellow Barca fan that's rational unlike others that are quick to tag other people posts as "trash and nonsense".

Godx:

I would rather say Guardiola brought out the best version of Barca Messi. It's refreshing to see a
fellow Barca fan that's rational unlike others that are quick to tag other people posts as "trash and nonsense".

Thank you.
But Barca Messi is still Argentina Messi. Argentina isn't a club, they never had the players like Barca did. But they did extremely well in 2014 World Cup, coming 2nd with Messi the best player. So I think Messi has been very crucial and influential not just in Barca but for Argentina. Remember they did his miracle to even qualify for 2018 World Cup. And there was no Xavi and Iniesta nor Guardiola. Messi has been phenomenal I tell you. Heck he has reached 3 finals with Argentina, 2 at Copa America and 1 at the world cup and he was the best player or among the best players for these tournaments. So I think Messi is that important.
Of course Xavi and Iniesta elevated that Barca side but Messi was extremely crucial

IKON360:

Thank you.
But Barca Messi is still Argentina Messi. Argentina isn't a club, they never had the players like Barca did. But they did extremely well in 2014 World Cup, coming 2nd with Messi the best player. So I think Messi has been very crucial and influential not just in Barca but for Argentina.
Remember they did his miracle to even qualify for 2018 World Cup. And there was no Xavi and Iniesta nor Guardiola. Messi has been phenomenal I tell you. Heck he has reached 3 finals with Argentina, 2 at Copa America and 1 at the world cup and he was the best player or among the best players for these tournaments. So I think Messi is that important.
Of course Xavi and Iniesta elevated that Barca side but Messi was extremely crucial

Well I disagree on the bold. Barca Messi and Argentina Messi are very different bro. Maybe due to lack of players,world class coach or proper system but Barca Messi is very distinct from the Messi I see in Argentina. Argentina have never utilized Messi properly and apart from one competition which was the Copa America he has never light up any tournament with Argentina like he does regularly in the champions league.

People just come here to downplay Messi’s influence on our game. Heck, even the Spanish team y’all claimed to have dominated were very lucky in some games both at the World Cup and Euros..You think if they had Messi things wouldn’t have been different...

I could remember in 2010 against Inter-Milan, Messi was man-marked and these same trio couldn’t do anything also...abegi!

IKON360:

Before the ascent and after the descent of Xavi and Iniesta, what has Spain won in World football? What has Spain even done in World football? You know that Alonso, Casillas were in the national team before Xavi and Iniesta. Ramos too. And what did that Spain side win. Then 2008 things started changing and improving due to the influence of the Barca players spearheaded by Xavi and Iniesta. And by 2010, they won the world cup and to lay emphasis on their supremacy they won the Euros in 2012. Without Messi.
No one is downplaying Messi's. But Guardiola was extremely privileged to have Xavi, Iniesta and Messi when he had them.

Oh please stop lumping Xavi and Iniesta together like they are the same person.
Xavi and Iniesta are 2 different people.

Also there is bothing like ascent of Xavi and Iniesta in world football
Pique, Alba and Busquets were the only first team players in 2008 who were not at World Cup 2006 in Germany.

And the only starter at Euro 2008 who was also in the starting eleven in 2006 was ........

Stop misinforming the public.

Every one of Puyol, Ramos, Iniesta, Xavi, Casillas and Alonso had their first major national team role at Germany 2006.

I know we are all Barca but any attempt to restrict the successes of the golden Spain generation to Xavi and Iniesta only is as false as false can be.

Spain of 2008 to 2012 had a very solid team from goalkeeper to defence to midfield to attack.

But Argentina! Very rich in attack, mediocre in midfield, mediocre in defence, mediocre between the sticks.

Messi was playing with Otamendi and Mascherano and who in defence and midfield?? ?

Banega, Biglia, Perez?

Oh please!!

That logic about Xavi and Iniesta winning without Messi but Messi failing without them and so they were more important than Messi in the Barca set up is so laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.

Two fun facts!

1. Messi's hattrick against Equador was the only reason we saw Argentina at World Cup 2018.

2. Before Tuesday's qualifier against Bolivia, the last time any player not named Messi scored for Argentina in a World Cup qualifier was in 2016.

2016! 2016!! 2016!!! Let that sink in.


And some dude would come up here and be talking Barca Messi, Argentina Messi.

Mtcheew.

tesppidd:
Oh please stop lumping Xavi and Iniesta together like they are the same person.
Xavi and Iniesta are 2 different people.

Also Pique, Alba and Busquets were the only first team players in 2008 who were not at World Cup 2006 in Germany.

And the only starter at Euro 2008 who was also in the starting eleven in 2006 was ........

Stop misinforming the public.

Every one of Puyol, Ramos, Iniesta, Xavi, Casillas and Alonso had their first major national team role at Germany 2006.

I know we are all Barca but any attempt to restrict the successes of the golden Spain generation to Xavi and Iniesta only is as false as false can be.

Spain of 2008 to 2012 had a very solid team from goalkeeper to defence to midfield to attack.

But Argentina! Very rich in attack, mediocre in midfield, mediocre in defence, mediocre between the sticks.

Messi was playing with Otamendi and Mascherano and who in defence and midfield?? ?

Banega, Biglia, Perez?

Oh please!!

That logic about Xavi and Iniesta winning without Messi but Messi failing without them and so they were more important than Messi in the Barca set up is so laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.

This thing is simple, Spain were under performing at the national stage until Euros 2008. After then the rise of Barca as a force to be reckoned coincided with the rise of Spain in national team football.
Also the success of the Spanish golden generation isn't being restricted to Xavi and Iniesta, just as the success of the Barca side of 2008/2009 isn't restricted to just Messi.
And this Argentina you are ridiculing have reached 3 finals, THREE!! Two Copa America and 1 World Cup final. So don't undermine them. You don't reach finals by coincidence or luck, you play well and reach the final. Even the finals all were decided in either Extra time or penalties.
Modified Argentina and Messi have lost 4 finals, Copa America 2007, World Cup 2014, Copa America 2015 and Copa America 2016.

Godx:

Well I disagree on the bold. Barca Messi and Argentina Messi are very different bro. Maybe due to lack of players,world class coach or proper system but Barca Messi is very distinct from the Messi I see in Argentina. Argentina have never utilized Messi properly and apart from one competition which was the Copa America he has never light up any tournament with Argentina like he does regularly in the champions league.

Messi has lit up many tournaments with Argentina, World Cup 2014, Best player. Copa America 2015 best player but he rejected the award according to one article on telegraph. If that's not lighting up a tournament, I don't know what is

IKON360:

This thing is simple, Spain were under performing at the national stage until Euros 2008. After then the rise of Barca as a force to be reckoned coincided with the rise of Spain in national team football.
Also the success of the Spanish golden generation isn't being restricted to Xavi and Iniesta, just as the success of the Barca side of 2008/2009 isn't restricted to just Messi.
And this Argentina you are ridiculing have reached 3 finals, THREE!! Two Copa America and 1 World Cup final. So don't undermine them. You don't reach finals by coincidence or luck, you play well and reach the final. Even the finals all were decided in either Extra time or penalties.
Modified Argentina and Messi have lost 4 finals, Copa America 2007, World Cup 2014, Copa America 2015 and Copa America 2016.

Bolded GBAM!

So how then does anybody come up with such logic;

Xavi and Iniesta = Trophy for Spain.
Messi = No trophy for Argentina.

Therefore it is proven that Xavi and Iniesta were more instrumental to Barca's success than Messi was.


I mean how does someone draw such conclusion?
How does someone reason like this.?

joviegghead:


I'll totally understand you trying to downplay Messi's influence in barca's success.
You said Messi's performances with argentina proved his over reliance on the midfield trio during Pep's era. How about his performances after that?

See bro, the midfield was important, but Messi was the man. He wasn't just the cherry on top of the cake, he was the X factor. He practically made the job of the midfield and attackers look easier.

The midfield trio thrived with Spain not because they were superhunans , but because Spain was bursting with talents. The Spanish midfield had xabi alonso and others who made things happen with or without them. Simply put, the Spanish team was complete from attack to defense.

Dude made it seem like Pep was in charge of the National team at that time.

TLona1:




We are Barca, we do not want just the UCL but the Sextuple.

How many coaches in history have done that? Just one and you his name.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Bayern win this year's club world cup if there will be one, they will also have a sextuple right?

tobiboss:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Bayern win this year's club world cup if there will be one, they will also have a sextuple right?

Yea, you are right, but there won't be club world cup.

Omo griezmann and koeman go enter one trouser this season.

Xanslyte:
Omo griezmann and koeman go enter one trouser this season.

Dude wanna play Messi’s position, but koeman gave him a “Go Bleep yourself” reply


Such a cry baby

haymekus:


Dude wanna play Messi’s position, but koeman gave him a “Go Bleep yourself” reply


Such a cry baby

The mumu wan dey drag position with Messi.

No be him fault sha

I hope Koeman benches Grezimann tomorrow to teach him a lesson

haymekus:


Dude wanna play Messi’s position, but koeman gave him a “Go Bleep yourself” reply


Such a cry baby

He shouldn't have made that statement knowing fully well Messi's position is rightfully in the right side of attack. I kinda feel for him though.

Xanslyte:

He shouldn't have made that statement knowing fully well Messi's position is rightfully in the right side of attack. I kinda feel for him though.

Na bartomeu cause all these nonsense.

After disgracing barce on TV, the mumu president still went on to sign him

Anyways he has increased the hatred most barce player and fans already have on him

jpmoriarti:
I hope Koeman benches Grezimann tomorrow to teach him a lesson

. I hope the general doesn't overdeal with him.

jpmoriarti:
I hope Koeman benches Grezimann tomorrow to teach him a lesson

We can see through your sarcasm!

You drop this type of mediocre performance, the next thing that comes to your mind is Messi should make way for you


Nonsense