Ibime:



The same guy in this video is the same guy in larrides video who said none of the 13 injured he took to Hospital died.

The doctor saying he has one dead in this video is not inconsistent with what I've said about a small handful of fatalities from strays or a few seconds of errant soldier shooting. If this is the closest Hospital to the tollgate, and it stands to reason that you would rush injured victims to the closest Hospital, and you have doctors confirmation of one death so far, this is consistent with stray bullets rather than any sustained horizontal shooting. Also knowing the Theatre capacity of Hospitals in UK, much less local Nigerian hospitals, I can tell you for free that most of the injured survived without Theatre treatment which is consistent with low impact injuries. This doctor even confirms in this video that this hospital only has one theatre and it is currently occupied, and yet has a number of injured whose death should have materialised within a couple of hours if they had major impact injuries.


@ bolded, that's just it. It can't be more than that. You can't tell me Soldiers will shoot automatics consistently into a crowd and there won't be multiple fatalities running into hundreds even. A single Las Vegas gunman killed 58 and injured 850 in 9 mins of shooting from distance in his hotel room and most of those in the first couple of minutes, before everyone scampered and ducked and he started picking people out. Guy, I won't suspend logic even though my sympathies are with the protesters and for the first couple of days after the shooting, I called it a massacre on here, but none of the evidence has stacked up to being more than the usual army shooting in the air with strays and falling bullets. Everything about Lekki tollgate from every video to no of casualties is consistent with army riot behaviour of shooting in the air with a few strays. That's why we always warn about strays when going to protests.

Very well said. Well you can understand that people are soo emotionally charged right now so would give no room for objective critical analysis.

Having said that, I proudly welcome you to the club of heartless, attention-seeking, psychopathic gay bastards. (HAPGB).
Trust me, it's a fun club to be in.

I think we are giving too many credit to mendy and forgetting thiago Silva was also very fantastic for us.If any of rudiger/Christensen has paired zouma yesterday I'm sure we would have been got off guard most of the time and would have seriously exposed mendy.All in all, both players made the difference imo.

donjazet:


Very well said. Well you can understand that people are soo emotionally charged right now so would give no room for objective critical analysis.

Having said that, I proudly welcome you to the club of heartless, attention-seeking, psychopathic gay bastards. (HAPGB).
Trust me, it's a fun club to be in.

I have just a very simple question for u...will u be happy to raise ur kids in D's failed system nigeria is currently as a country in d next 20yrs?? if buhari can rule in d next 20yrs,,will u be happy to raise ur kids under d current structure of Nigeria??

popizaino:
I think we are giving too many credit to mendy and forgetting thiago Silva was also very fantastic for us.If any of rudiger/Christensen has paired zouma yesterday I'm sure we would have been got off guard most of the time and would have seriously exposed mendy.All in all, both players made the difference imo.

our defense is made of mendy(gk),chilwell thiago,,zouma,Azpi..alter any one of dem and suffer d consequences... in all Mendy and Thaigo have made a huge improvement at d defense

airmark:

I showed Ibime video of some injured people yesterday to debunk his thoughts, but mba na to dey find what is not missing again.

I do keep track of these videos methodically, and while your video was compelling, showing lots of blood on that market woman, it does not prove an imminently life threatening injury from horizontal shooting.

In larrides video where the guy gave detail of the people he took to hospital, he gave detail of a market woman selling stuff at the protest being one of the 13 he took to Hospital with no fatality among them. The market woman was in the first set of people he took to Hospital. Chances are high it's the same woman.

I put that together with A40s video of the same guy speaking to the Doctor in Hospital having arrived with his injured and on the doctor's assessment, one of the guys needed transferring to another Hospital having triaged the injured as his Hospital Theatre was occupied. He was able to accommodate the other injured people the guy brought without immediate Theatre intervention.

That's why I said your video is more compelling, without drawing definite conclusions from it. A40 and larrides videos just added more detail to your video about the same man who was rescuing the injured, likely the same woman and the doctor's assessment of the injuries.

Ibime:



The same guy in this video is the same guy in larrides video who said none of the 13 injured he took to Hospital died.

https://twitter.com/Tutsy22/status/1320236490081865728?s=19

But it turns out he was wrong. Sanwo Olu also went from zero deaths to two deaths and we both know this lying government is downplaying this thing

Ibime:

The doctor saying he has one dead in this video is not inconsistent with what I've said about a small handful of fatalities from strays or a few seconds of errant soldier shooting. If this is the closest Hospital to the tollgate, and it stands to reason that you would rush injured victims to the closest Hospital, and you have doctors confirmation of one death so far, this is consistent with stray bullets rather than any sustained horizontal shooting. Also knowing the Theatre capacity of Hospitals in UK, much less local Nigerian hospitals, I can tell you for free that most of the injured survived without Theatre treatment which is consistent with low impact injuries. This doctor even confirms in this video that this hospital only has one theatre and it is currently occupied, and yet has a number of injured whose death should have materialised within a couple of hours within a couple of hours if they had major impact injuries.

Ibime are you telling me that all the bodies that were shot in that firestorm were recovered and taken to the hospital? Do you honestly believe that? Remember this is just one hospital. People were taken to other hospitals as well

Those bodies that were dumped in front of the soldiers where are they? Who accounts for those bodies?

You can't catch a stray to the heart from air shots. You can't have scores of injuries from air shots. That's not how ballistics work

Ibime:

@ bolded, that's just it. It can't be more than that. You can't tell me Soldiers will shoot automatics consistently into a crowd and there won't be multiple fatalities running into hundreds even. A single Las Vegas gunman killed 58 and injured 850 in 9 mins of shooting from distance in his hotel room and most of those in the first couple of minutes, before everyone scampered and ducked and he started picking people out. Guy, I won't suspend logic even though my sympathies are with the protesters and for the first couple of days after the shooting, I called it a massacre on here, but none of the evidence has stacked up to being more than the usual army shooting in the air with strays and falling bullets. Everything about Lekki tollgate from every video to no of casualties is consistent with army riot behaviour of shooting in the air with a few strays. That's why we always warn about strays when going to protests.

That is not a good example. Are you seriously comparing the Vegas shooter that used 22 Automatic rifles and fired over a 1000 rounds?

The Vegas shooter used maybe 10 times more ammunition than the Army and shot for far longer so they couldn't possibly generate the same number of casualties. Not because they didn't want to but because they didn't have that kind of ammunition. Remember it was also dark so vision is another factor compared to the Vegas shooter who was shooting in a well lit environment

Like I said before. It's a lot more plausible if you said some soldiers shot vertically while others shot horizontally. But to suggest those bullets merely rained from the sky and somehow pierced over 40-60 people. That is fantasy.

The casualty count is high enough to suggest that this was not just a crowd control effort

gensteejay:

Is everything okay with you? You and your ilk are nothing but shameless liars.

Attached to this post are the last posts of the deceased on Facebook.

Here, the guy was recording a live video at the protest ground at Lekki toll gate on Monday, October 19: https://web.facebook.com/100003938460924/videos/1814262718714993/

Link to his Fb profile for people to check themselves and go through his last posts there: https://web.facebook.com/abigailyong.za

Buhari's draconian government cut short this guy's life, and this mofo is here aiding the evil regime in lying shamelessly.

Mofo and shameless liar are 2 of the wonderful words you have used to describe people who disagree with you. Your counter argument to my question - that you did not answer - is that the guy in question was at the Lekki Toll a day before the massacre. How you think it proves anything is beyond me. I will ask again for the sake of posterity: the woman that was introduced as his mother in that video, is she in this country or outside? If you cannot answer it, should that not be sufficient reason for you to know you have not investigated properly?

Android17:


Mofo and shameless liar are 2 of the wonderful words you have used to describe people who disagree with you. Your counter argument to my question - that you did not answer - is that the guy in question was at the Lekki Toll a day before the massacre. How you think it proves anything is beyond me. I will ask again for the sake of posterity: the woman that was introduced as his mother in that video, is she in this country or outside? If you cannot answer it, should that not be sufficient reason for you to know you have not investigated properly?

The woman is not in the country, and she may not even be the real mom of the deceased, perhaps a relative or impostor.

Are you saying that guy died through road accident? Post your proofs here with dates other than what random people claim online.

In that Facebook video, the guy was showing protesters' activity at the toll gate, about 22 hours before the tragic incident.

gensteejay:

The woman is not in the country, and she may not even be the real mom of the deceased, perhaps a relative or impostor.

Are you saying that guy died through road accident? Post your proofs here with dates other than what random people claim online.

In that Facebook video, the guy was showing protesters' activity at the toll gate, about 22 hours before the tragic incident.

Now we are talking. I could have answered your other questions but if you remember my first post was about her not being his mum. I do not want my post to be misconstrued as one claiming that no shooting was done there or that nobody died. As a result, I will leave the issue to rest as it is. Thank you.

Android17:


Now we are talking. I could have answered your other questions but if you remember my first post was about her not being his mum. I do not want my post to be misconstrued as one claiming that no shooting was done there or that nobody died. As a result, I will leave the issue to rest as it is. Thank you.

Okay.

A40:

https://twitter.com/Tutsy22/status/1320236490081865728?s=19

But it turns out he was wrong. Sanwo Olu also went from zero deaths to two deaths and we both know this lying government is downplaying this thing

He only spoke about the 13 he took to Hospital. Fatalities may or may not come from his 13. I don't see reason for him lying about his 13 cos he confirmed fatalities from the ones he took to Hospital from Lekki-Ajah Police shootings. I have not disputed the 2 to 12 fatality figure. In a crowd of hundreds or thousands, the probability of 2 to 12 fatalities from strays is likely in a shooting incident, but does not correspond with the fatalities I'd expect from sustained and premeditated horizontal shooting from many soldiers which should number in the hundreds if I'm being frank. In a civilised society, this would be called a massacre but in Nigerian context, the number of fatalities speaks to routine army behaviour of shooting in the air with a few strays.

A40:

Ibime are you telling me that all the bodies that were shot in that firestorm were recovered and taken to the hospital? Do you honestly believe that? Remember this is just one hospital. People were taken to other hospitals as well

It is human nature to rush a gunshot victim to the closest Hospital(s). The only reason to take them further afield is if they need imminent surgery and Theatre capacity is full as we saw in your video. Of the 13 injured that guy rushed to Hospital, only one was advised for further transfer due to theatre capacity. This speaks to low velocity injuries rather than horizontal shooting.

A40:

Those bodies that were dumped in front of the soldiers where are they? Who accounts for those bodies?

The video I saw showed two injured but very much alive protesters being taken to the soldiers from the back. If the soldiers had shot horizontally, it's the people in the front that would have dropped. You can also corroborate with the video from the high-rise building, and there were no multiples of bodies with the soldiers, nor did they cart away multiple bodies. The people videoing from the high-rise have a bird's eye view of the incident and are not in danger and have no reason not to document the reality. The fact people in the front were still facing and videoing the soldiers as they took the injured to them shows they were not under horizontal attack.

A40:

You can't catch a stray to the heart from air shots. You can't have scores of injuries from air shots. That's not how ballistics work

That may be the work of a stray bullet or an errant shot, but you can catch a bullet to any part of the body depending on how dispersed the crowd is and the angle of the air-shot. This is why celebratory gunfire is banned in most cities cos bullet must land, and in a packed protest, you have high chance of bullets landing on people with low impact. Remember say na celebratory gunfire wey Okonkwo take kill pesin for Things Fall Apart that got him banished from Umuofia. Also we are talking about Nigeria here where patients often bleed out from intermediate wounds, where there is no Public health capacity and limited private health capacity. This is not the West where they can save many lives from major severity wounds with a lot of public health capacity to treat the injured in a terrorist incident. In Nigeria, you would likely die from an intermediate severity wound especially when capacity is stretched. Which leads me to deduce that we are talking mostly about minor wounds from falling bullets.

A40:

That is not a good example. Are you seriously comparing the Vegas shooter that used 22 Automatic rifles and fired over a 1000 rounds?

The Vegas shooter used maybe 10 times more ammunition than the Army and shot for far longer so they couldn't possibly generate the same number of casualties. Not because they didn't want to but because they didn't have that kind of ammunition. Remember it was also dark so vision is another factor compared to the Vegas shooter who was shooting in a well lit environment

What is there to aim for when shooting into a massed crowd? You can't miss. We have seen videos of protesters at the front taking injured protesters to the army who are 10 metres away. 5 soldiers at that range will kill far more than any single Vegas shooter shooting from hotel window. An AK-47 can dispose a 30 round clip in 3 seconds and can let off 600 rounds per minute so why won't 5 soldiers at that range do way more damage than the Vegas shooter?

A40:

Like I said before. It's a lot more plausible if you said some soldiers shot vertically while others shot horizontally. But to suggest those bullets were merely rained from the sky and somehow pierced over 40-60 people. That is fantasy.

The casualty count is high enough to suggest that this was not just a crowd control effort

The casualty count and severity of injuries is more consistent with stray bullets and falling bullets in a crowded area. The fatality rate is nowhere near high enough to suggest there was any sustained horizontal firing by even one soldier. It may speak to one or two seconds burst of horizontal firing by one soldier which you can call stray bullets. I'm only calling it stray cos I can't determine at this stage if it is premeditated from command, or from few seconds of errant soldier behaviour or genuine misfiring error. The initial reports of 49 deaths is what made me think it was premeditated from command but the actual numbers materialising forces me by logic to veer toward the other two possibilities.

SMH..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsQuogvFeE

Everybody just dey lie to move his own ministry.

popizaino:


Fyi,my mind is not made you i didn't just see the reason to answer that question when you wouldn't ask the same for pep guardiola .


UEFA is under fifa and this is what they have to say about him.

Don't answer the question i didn't ask you. Below was what i asked you i have retentive memory bro.

airmark:


Bring me what FIFA said about him in their best XI or UEFA in their best XI. Let's compare it with what they said about Iniesta, Xavi and Messi, i want to check something.

And i answered that Fraudiola question by telling that shameless Barca fan that since Fraudiola left Messi, Fifa had no reason to say anything about him. Let's wait for when Messi comes to help him again.

He is a certified Fraud.

Ibime:


I do keep track of these videos methodically, and while your video was compelling, showing lots of blood on that market woman, it does not prove an imminently life threatening injury from horizontal shooting.

And it proves that they are not wounds caused by bullets dropping from the sky. So if it's not vertical and not horizontal as you believe, maybe it is somewhere in the middle - diagonal.

Let's leave this issue for now. I know that if by now Lagos govt have the video absolving the Army of not killing protesters they would have showed it to the world by now.

I don tire to dey talk on this issue.

airmark:


And it proves that they are not wounds caused by bullets dropping from the sky. So if it's not vertical and not horizontal as you believe, maybe it is somewhere in the middle - diagonal.

Let's leave this issue for now. I know that if by now Lagos govt have the video absolving the Army of not killing protesters they would have showed it to the world by now.

I don tire to dey talk on this issue.

Me sef just tire mehn. Trying to address the government's gaslighting and also trying to educate fellow citizens buying into the government's propaganda is tasking.

One thing I'm taking away from all this is that Nigerians are not worth dying for. Die for a Nigerian and he will come to Ur graveside complaining why u wouldn't stay alive to give him his regular Roger he looks up to u for. Some people still insult MkO's memory till date; especially all those NADECO dem that found their way to Govt

It does not matter if the bullets fell from the sky or crawled out of the ground.

The Nigerian Army sent its soldiers to shoot bullets out of their guns at or near PEACEFUL protesters. The outcome was that at least 13 Nigerians suffered gunshot injuries and at least 2 Nigerians (according to the governor) lost their lives.

That is enough to call for justice. Even if it was the norm previously in Nigeria to use live bullets against peacefully protesting citizens we need to change the narrative.

This is actually another variant of the heavy handed SARS behavior that people were protesting about. Which sane government sends its soldiers to shoot at its own citizens?

It is inexcusable that people are suffering gunshot wounds because of peaceful protests and if one of the people that died was my relative I would find it unforgivable as well.

Having said all that people should learn to stop sharing unconfirmed news that might in the long run call into question the veracity of the protesters’ claims. The government will magnify your one piece of fake news and cast doubt on all other claims.

gensteejay:

If we don't correct their lies and deception, they would successfully distort the facts.

Already, they've successfully deceived some gullible people on Nairaland.

They are already distorting facts.

Some people have started believing their lies.

Segedinho:


Havertz is playing his 1st season and just 6 matches in a different league for crying out loud.

Kdb in Chelsea played nonsense even in his preffered wing.


What was pulisic contribution in that match


What was Werner'a contribution??


Na only Havertz play nonsense exterday


Na wao

The bolded is not true.


He was still young and developing, and he did not play nonsense.

Mourinho only wanted him to add more to his game and take less risks.

Watch how the newly found camera discovered by Agent Fashola shows Protesters shooting Soldiers.

izzou:
I'll advise us to avoid this issue, for the sake of our mental health

Today makes it 6 days since the incident happened. Yet, we are still waiting for the CCTV footage as promised.

The government would have saved us all the stress of thinking critically, or themselves of the embarrassment, but no ... Fashola had to fly in yesterday to pick a neatly found camcorder even after scavengers, and LAWMA had cleaned the toll gate for two days

The more I try to think critically, the more the government gives me a reason to think otherwise

Let's just relax. CCTV footage would clear all doubts

I think this "camera stuff" and many other stupid and unthinkable lies such as "monkey n snake swallows" are the major reasons why we are absolutely angry.

They just lie and don't care abt what your blv.

Theirs is i have said it and that is the fact ,e no concern.
me nd you.

How can an elderly man be so stupid with such a camera fallacy.

If men enter street now,them go begin shout hoodlums and thuggery.

Stupid old foools..

See as the tin dey vex me.


On the other hand,any video footage from any CCTV covering the lekki massacre should be disregarded due to the length of time.

Does it take a day to bring out CCTV coverage?

People are editing,re-editing and perfecting the clips b4 it would be sent to air..

Nonsense people

BlueRayDick:


I had to block one of such on Facebook yesterday. I just decided I was done reading his sick posts defending the most stupid acts of the government. To think he's one of the old time nairalnder I know to be very bright and sound. The things politics do to people ehn.

I have stopped reading comments concerning politics

I just stick to comments regarding other sections

Greatihex:
The bolded is not true.


He was still young and developing, and he did not play nonsense.

Mourinho only wanted him to add more to his game and take less risks.

Ok..
Kai is very old and un-developing...


I get u now

Is this true??


https://mobile.twitter.com/osas_medici/status/1317884271529545734

Segedinho:
Is this true??


https://mobile.twitter.com/osas_medici/status/1317884271529545734

Na wa for these politicians. I think most of the claims will be true.

Segedinho:
Is this true??


https://mobile.twitter.com/osas_medici/status/1317884271529545734

I knew it's only a matter of time before they drag fashola like generator

Segedinho:

Ok..
Kai is very old and un-developing...


I get u now

I no dey argue kai with you. I'm just correcting the kdb played nonsense at Chelsea talk.

gensteejay:
https://twitter.com/sam_adeyemi/status/1320428679638507520?s=21

Sam Adeyemi makes a lot sense in those tweets.

a sane person can't support loss of lives and looting of property in any FORM of protest.

A friend of mine was narrating his ordeal how his mum lost close to hundred of millions in a single day, according to him ( though he might exaggerate the figure) 156 iphones and close to 400 of other brand mainly Samsung.
[ i for say na God catch the woman b'cos she talks anyhow to anybody, no regard to anyone that is not up to her standard even to her husband, she treats her workers as if they are nobody ] nonetheless I still pity her.

If Sam Adeyemi church was among of those building that were burnt down, his narrative would be different from what is up there,
Many cars were destroyed many shops were looted if yours (who is reading this post) is among, I'm sure your narrative will also be different.

I'm not in anyway support the government but the protesters actions are excessively overboard.

MorataFC:
a sane person can't support loss of lives and looting of property in any FORM of protest.
A friend of mine was narrating his ordeal how his mum lost close to hundred of millions in a single day, according to him( though he might exaggerate the figure) 156 iphones and close 400 of other brand mainly Samsung.
[i for say na God catch the woman b'cos she talks anyhow to anybody, no regard to anyone that is not up to her standard even to her husband, she treats her workers as if they are nobody ] nonetheless I still pity her.

2)if Sam Adeyemi church was among of those building that were burnt down, his narrative would be different from what is up there,
Many cars were destroyed many shops were looted if yours (who is reading this post) is among, I'm sure your narrative will also be different.
I'm not in anyway support the government but the protesters actions are excessively overboard.

I condemn looting of property and sympathize with the affected people.

But the government is responsible for the breakdown of law and order by killing peaceful protesters at Lekki toll gate and disrupting peaceful protests using armed thugs.

If that tragic Lekki incident didn't happen, things wouldn't have degenerated to that level.

BlueMann:

Arsenal's boogeyman. Loves playing against the Gunners.

Someone said he is one goal shy of Rooney.

Actman05:

Someone said he is one goal shy of Rooney.

How?

Vardy 109 EPL goals

Rooney 208 EPL goals