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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Nobody: 9:17am On Nov 06, 2020
salford1:
Lol. Anything about the US elections would make FP.
I swear. Very annoying.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Omezif(m): 9:17am On Nov 06, 2020
If it's like that, why waisting time for voting ? They should not have to vote and do there election by choosing.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by dangermouse(m): 9:24am On Nov 06, 2020
dollarsplenty:
Electoral College is annti democracy, it suppresses the peoples will
The same people votes for and empowers their reps to cast a single vote on there behalf in the electoral college. How is it a fraud?
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by PervertProphet: 9:24am On Nov 06, 2020
byrron:


All northern states will have a minimum of 50 electoral college members while the other regions will have 10, 15 and 18 electoral college member's which will give the northern states the ability to decide who becomes the president of Nigeria.

The electoral college is an undemocratic antiquated system were the votes of the people doesn’t elect the president but choses those that goes on to elect the president.

Just imagine what quota system has done to Nigeria then imagine what having an electoral college will be like in Nigeria.[/i]

Just imagine Africa was the US and Nigeria and Ethiopia- two of the largest States in the US of Africa and they always vote Democrats. It would mean automatically that like forever. They would be the States determining and voting only democrats into power. This automatically doesn't reflect everyone's Choice as the Republicans would be largely disenfranchised and there would be no America as of today. The founding fathers of the United States envisaged a beautiful idea with the Electoral college vote to counter this.

Don't speak on something you don't understand the foundation of why it was set up.

I think we should do something of same nature in Nigeria and avoid how the collosal failure called Buhari was popularly forced on every other tribe in Nigeria because of the size of the North and the West.

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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Liverpoolfc(m): 9:25am On Nov 06, 2020
I will suggest Nigerian president be elected based on the number of senatorial district won by the candidates. Not this one where one state will produce unexplained 5 million votes. By use of senatorial district, it makes all states equal.We can even go by the numbers of federal constituencies won based on equity of land mass. The current electoral system in Nigeria does not make any sense.

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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Onelove508: 9:25am On Nov 06, 2020
beauty7:


It is needful for people to go out and vote because in most states, the winner of the state automatically gets all the electoral college votes.

So voting by people in most states is needed because it helps to determine who gets all the electoral college votes in those states

By answering his question you've created a room for the opposite of the question: Why need for electoral college when majority of the states(electoral college voters) will still vote for the popular voted candidate?
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Kccheechy(m): 9:29am On Nov 06, 2020
Trump will win. All that is happening now is just to expose the fraud and those behind it in the electoral system... Mind you, the Homeland Security put watermarks on valid ballots!!! So they can identify the valid ballots from the fake ones!! Trump is a genius for coming up with such an idea!!! Somewhere in Virginia, 100,000 votes belonging to Trump were discovered not to be counted. A lot would be revealed in the coming days but I'm sure Trump will win!!!

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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by dangermouse(m): 9:29am On Nov 06, 2020
Omezif:
If it's like that, why waisting time for voting ? They should not have to vote and do there election by choosing.
The electoral colldge comes in when there is no clear winner in a given presidential race. Same voters votes in there representatives who in turn casts a shngle vote on thier behalf...
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Nobody: 9:30am On Nov 06, 2020
PervertProphet:


Just imagine Africa was the US and Nigeria and Ethiopia- two of the largest States in the US of Africa and they always vote Democrats. It would mean automatically that like forever. They would be the States determining and voting only democrats into power. This automatically doesn't reflect everyone's Choice as the Republicans would be largely disenfranchised and there would be no America as of today. The founding fathers of the United States envisaged a beautiful idea with the Electoral college vote to counter this.

Don't speak on something you don't understand the foundation of why it was set up.

I think we should do something of same nature in Nigeria and avoid how the collosal failure called Buhari was popularly forced on every other tribe in Nigeria because of the size of the North and the West.

The electoral college if implemented in Nigeria will still end up producing the likes of buhari by simply allocating more electoral college votes to northern states, that's all that needs to be done to achieve the same outcome happening in Nigeria at the moment even without an electoral college.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by backbone503(m): 9:30am On Nov 06, 2020
I hope Biden finds the support and political will to fulfil his campaign promise of abolishing this electoral system.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by dazzlingd(m): 9:30am On Nov 06, 2020
byrron:


Hope you know that what works in other countries fails in Nigeria. If the electoral process that works in other climes still haven't worked in Nigeria then how will the electoral college work?

A country were a 7 year old have a PVC? A country were a blind person have a driver's license? A country where snakes and monkeys steals millions of naira? A country where someone seeking to become its president has no first school leaving certificate? A country where a SAN becomes an erand boy to someone with zero intelligence?

The electoral college will just become another quota system made up with dimwitted shenanigans just like the Nigerian national assembly which currently looks like a den of idiot's.[/i]

So sad, and we will keep electing idiots...because majority are idiots
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by PervertProphet: 9:34am On Nov 06, 2020
byrron:


The electoral college if implemented in Nigeria will still end up producing the likes of buhari by simply allocating more electoral college votes to northern states, that's all that needs to be done to achieve the same outcome happening in Nigeria at the moment even without an electoral college.

That's not true.

Smaller States still have a chance of determining the Presidency. Why do you think Trump is fighting hard. If it were just like to California, etcetera. He would have long forgotten the presidency.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by oxiide22(m): 9:34am On Nov 06, 2020
angry[quote author=ipobarecriminals jpo
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by UyaiIncomparabl(f): 9:35am On Nov 06, 2020
backbone503:
I hope Biden finds the support and political will to fulfil his campaign promise of abolishing this electoral system.

Face your carcass of a country and stop rooting passionately for a country that has no ties with you. cool

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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by BabaO2: 9:36am On Nov 06, 2020
Nigeria out of envy and greed copied a useless and self destruction electoral system from America not only that they even copied wrongly.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Nobody: 9:37am On Nov 06, 2020
shadeyinka:

There is actually some sense in it.

If you were on a cruise ship, your ship captain is dead and you have to select another person to navigate you to the shores.

1. Would you advocate democracy to choose a new Captain (every passengers including the sailors have equal standing)?
2. If the general consensus was to use democracy. Would it be okay to choose by popular votes?
Dangote may be chosen as the next captain because he has been good to majority of the ship's passengers!
3. Would you rather want the sailors of the ship to vote among themselves for the choice of a new Captain?
This is one of the purpose of the electoral college system!


It was actually designed so that the ignorant majority do no ultimately select who the President would be.

Your analogy turned out to be an own goal because the ignorant minority ended up choosing an ignorant majority (electoral college members) that went on to choose an ignorant president like Trump.

The electoral college is now antiquated and should be consigned to the history books. It served its purpose then and is now outdated since it is a negation to the true definition of the word "Democracy"

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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by femi4: 9:38am On Nov 06, 2020
IamPlato:
there is no method people will not find a way to cheat.

anyway, just remember that when we vote, majority can ignorantly pick the wrong person
That's the beauty of democracy. Its not about picking the right or wrong person, its about respecting people's choice
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by henryobinna(m): 9:39am On Nov 06, 2020
Sunisonflex39:
Is it only me that thinks that this electoral college setting is easy vote buying.. A president can walk up to a governor or so and pay him so and so dollars to vote for him.. At least this one will be easier than going over to the citizens to share tradermoni farmermoni feedingmoni and all sort of nonsense moni we have here in Nigeria..
no, it's not like that.

The OP didn't explain it well for you.

For the majority of states(about 48 or so) the person who wins the popular votes automatically wins the state's total electoral votes.

Also each state is allocated a certain number of electoral votes according to their representatives or population(something along that line).

Do you know that Trump won many more states than Hillary? that's why he won the presidency. The electors cannot just go vote against the winner of the popular votes of their respective state.

To be very frank the electoral college is a very good system that makes sure a few states do not continue to dictate who becomes the president over and over.

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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by femi4: 9:41am On Nov 06, 2020
Supermugu:
angry... we know na undecided undecided undecided
Your explanation is easier to digest
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by AmazingELixir: 9:41am On Nov 06, 2020
grin

Just to win California, Florida and Texas you don land 100 plus electoral votes.

It means with just 11 states out of 50 a candidate can win the US presidential election.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by fineboynl(m): 9:42am On Nov 06, 2020
it was a time when the population was iliterate. the few educated was afraid of allowing the iliterate population to decide the future of the country. but I think that law has outlived the purpose for which it was created.

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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by henryobinna(m): 9:45am On Nov 06, 2020
Coldie:
Nigeria needs to copy this system.

With electoral college if u like have a population of 10m your state voting power is almost same with a state with a population of 3million
no, not correct. A state with a higher population will always have highet electoral votes
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Nobody: 9:45am On Nov 06, 2020
PervertProphet:


That's not true.

Smaller States still have a chance of determining the Presidency. Why do you think Trump is fighting hard. If it were just like to California, etcetera. He would have long forgotten the presidency.

This logic isn't tenable because, Trump lost California but still won other states like Florida and Texas and without an electoral college votes, the total votes of the people of Texas and Florida is larger than that of California which goes to show that every state vote matter's and having an electoral college is like beating around the bush to achieve the same purpose like winning an election by the highest number of the majority vote casted.

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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by femi4: 9:47am On Nov 06, 2020
INSTANTCASH345:
Thanks Mrs Maria Ude, but I already knew this long time ago. I am no kid and I studied govt in college.

All I wanted to hear from you is how can a democratically elected govt try to truncate another electoral process just as a result of a massive in-mailed votes coming in after the election day which he himself had asked his supporters not to use.

Tell us how long the process will b suspended! I have been checking google for the past 1 day now and everything remains stagnant.

Up to the Americans here on NL to answer,thanks.

Due to the pandemic, some people who hardly go to polling booth were encouraged to vote using the mailing system. That's the game changer and Trump shot himself on his foot by allowing it and discouraging his supporters from using it
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Nobody: 9:47am On Nov 06, 2020
dazzlingd:


So sad, and we will keep electing idiots...because majority are idiots

Majority have always produced more idiots but the electoral college also allows the minority to produce more idiots too.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Sunisonflex39(m): 9:49am On Nov 06, 2020
IgboSomalia:


President would call Governor to direct him who to vote for. You are outstandingly ignorant. That is why you need to travel out of Nigeria. Go out and explore the world so that you won't be reasoning like this.
dash me money let me travel now.. Abeg
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Nobody: 9:50am On Nov 06, 2020
femi4:
That's the beauty of democracy. Its not about picking the right or wrong person, its about respecting people's choice

This is the truth
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by friday2011(m): 9:52am On Nov 06, 2020
leicestercamper:
Useless explanation from a Nigerian local champion- Maria Ude.

Electoral college is a form of allocation of numbers backed by the constitution to each state in America usually determined by the resident state population. Some states have 3, 4, 10, 20, 30, etc. depending on the residency population.

Like California has the highest electoral votes, followed by Texas. Politically, some states are more important to political parties than others.

For instance, Wyoming, DC, Delaware, North & South Carolina have the least electoral votes, so politically speaking an American politician gives more attention to California, Texas and other states with high electoral votes, than states with least electoral votes.

See the way the electoral votes are classified.


International champion... Bravo, you are quick to condemn someones simple and logical explanation of the Electoral College... What is the difference between what she explained and what you wrote up there?

Idiot.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by onlyfacts: 9:53am On Nov 06, 2020
dollarsplenty:
Electoral College is annti democracy, it suppresses the peoples will

Wrong, it isn't. The electoral college works on a state level and its a winner takes all kind of system. Take for example California, it has 55 electoral College votes. If a republican gets the highest number of votes in California, it means the electoral college of California will give all their electoral votes to the Republican presidential candidate which is 55. The Democratic candidate will only take the votes casts for him but nothing from the electoral college.

So in this case above it is still the votes of the people that the electoral college works on.

Overall a presidential candidate can still win the highest number of votes and lose at the electoral college. How is this possible?

There are 52 states in the US, and all this states have different populations and different electoral college votes assigned to them. It's just like Nigeria, we have 36 states but they don't have the same population. Lagos, Kano, rivers etc have higher populations compared to the others, win this state with a great margin and you win the election in Nigeria.

In America the objective is almost similar, win the states with the most electoral college votes by winning majority of the votes in that state. Even if those states are 22 states and combined they have electoral college votes of 270 which is needed to win the presidential election, it is more important than winning remaining 26 states that have electoral college votes combined less than 270.

Now how each states are assigned electoral college votes is fair, so cheating is out of it. Each candidate knows what has to be done to get to 270 before election, and if they fail to meet it it's their fault.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by shadeyinka(m): 9:54am On Nov 06, 2020
byrron:


Your analogy turned out to be an own goal because the ignorant minority ended up choosing an ignorant majority (electoral college members) that went on to choose an ignorant president like Trump.

The electoral college is now antiquated and should be consigned to the history books. It served its purpose then and is now outdated since it is a negation to the true definition of the word "Democracy"
I haven't justified the application of the American electoral college. I have only justified it's purpose in selection of a leader.

The objective question is:
Is the majority always right?
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Neddyogu(m): 9:55am On Nov 06, 2020
ventuek:
This is a case of minority deciding for majority....I wonder what led to such system.

Cos all d states don't have similar population size and so it would be easy for contestants to conveniently ignore some states and concentrate their campaigns on states with high populations. It was originally meant to give all Americans a sense of participation in choosing their president. But with time, the whole idea seems fvcked.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Jaykrown: 9:55am On Nov 06, 2020
But please, I have a question to ask.. If the electoral college has the final say to elect the president, then, what’s the essence of people going out to vote when their votes will not determine who wins at end of the day? Can’t they just use the votes of 538 electoral college members and save people the stress, or is there something am missing?

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