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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by WelcomeToBiafra: 9:56am On Nov 06, 2020
dollarsplenty:
Electoral College is annti democracy, it suppresses the peoples will

Look how nigerians and Britain sycophants advising American electoral college.

Has your inec and senators implement all the protesters demands?

Re: United States Electoral College Explained by MoIbrahim: 9:57am On Nov 06, 2020
AdaugoChisom:
Is good but senators from Northern Nigeria is than senators from South

They told you something is from slavery days to ensure that voters on the atreet do not have the final power to choose, you say it is good. What is good about an election system that systematically taking away power from the common man? Abi because na America everything is perfect?

Besides, why are you people able to think only in terms of north vs South, Christian vs Muslim, ethnicity A vs ethnicity B? Why?
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Nodogragra4me(m): 9:58am On Nov 06, 2020
Zontage:
United States Electoral College Explained

As prescribed in the U.S. Constitution, American presidents are elected not directly by the people, but by the people's electors. The Electoral College was created by the framers of the U.S. Constitution as an alternative to electing the president by popular vote or by Congress. If it were by popular vote or who gets the most votes, Hillary Clinton would have won in 2016 and Joe Biden would have been declared winner by now. Biden has also received the most votes of any president in American history. Whomever reaches the 270 electoral votes will be officially declared winner. In this system, Trump still has a chance of winning.

The United States Electoral College is a name used to describe the official 538 Presidential electors who come together every four years during the presidential election to give their official votes for President and Vice President of the United States.The Constitution leaves states to decide how electors will vote. It began In 1804, 12th Amendment to the Constitution made sure that electors designate their votes for president and vice president, but the 12th Amendment leaves in place a tie breaking system established by the Constitution by which the House of Representatives breaks a tie on presidential electoral votes and the Senate.

The election of the president of the United States is a two-step process. First, voters cast ballots on Election Day in each state. In nearly every state, the candidate who gets the most votes wins the "electoral votes" for that state, and gets that number of voters (or "electors"wink in the "Electoral College." In the Electoral College system, each state gets a certain number of electors based on its total number of representatives in Congress. Each elector casts one electoral vote following the general election; there are a total of 538 electoral votes. The candidate that gets more than half (270) wins the election.

What happens if no candidate gets enough electoral votes?Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, the House of Representatives is required to go into session immediately after the counting of the electoral votes to vote for president if no candidate for the office receives a majority of the electoral votes. ... The House continues balloting until it elects a president.

Who sits on the Electoral College? The president and vice president of the United States are elected by the Electoral College, which consists of 538 electors from the fifty states and Washington, D.C. Electors are selected state-by-state, as determined by the laws of each state.

Addendum: Electoral College is a system born of compromise deeply rooted in America's slavery foundation. I will explain this in my subsequent post.

Thank you.

Source: Maria Ude Nwachi

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2862531247403118&id=100009388131283



Trump is still the president, going forward
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by mvem(m): 9:59am On Nov 06, 2020
dollarsplenty:
Electoral College is annti democracy, it suppresses the peoples will
oga it has been in place since more than 200 years of there existence. So what's your point because that's how all their president have been elected
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Nobody: 9:59am On Nov 06, 2020
AmazingELixir:
grin

Just to win California, Florida and Texas you don land 100 plus electoral votes.

It means with just 11 states out of 50 a candidate can win the US presidential election.

There is nothing democratic about the electoral college system where your vote only chooses those that will now vote on who becomes the president.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by onlyfacts: 10:02am On Nov 06, 2020
Jaykrown:
But please, I have a question to ask.. If the electoral college has the final say to elect the president, then, what’s the essence of people going out to vote when their votes will not determine who wins at end of the day? Can’t they just use the votes of 538 electoral college members and save people the stress, or is there something am missing?
The electoral college works on a state level and its a winner takes all kind of system. Take for example California, it has 55 electoral College votes. If a republican gets the highest number of votes in California, it means the electoral college of California will give all their electoral votes to the Republican presidential candidate which is 55. The Democratic candidate will only take the votes casts for him but nothing from the electoral college.

So in this case above it is still the votes of the people that the electoral college works on.

Overall a presidential candidate can still win the highest number of votes and lose at the electoral college. How is this possible?

There are 52 states in the US, and all this states have different populations and different electoral college votes assigned to them. It's just like Nigeria, we have 36 states but they don't have the same population. Lagos, Kano, rivers etc have higher populations compared to the others, win this state with a great margin and you win the election in Nigeria.

In America the objective is almost similar, win the states with the most electoral college votes by winning majority of the votes in that state. Even if those states are 22 states and combined they have electoral college votes of 270 which is needed to win the presidential election, it is more important than winning remaining 26 states that have electoral college votes combined less than 270.

Now how each states are assigned electoral college votes is fair, so cheating is out of it. Each candidate knows what has to be done to get to 270 before election, and if they fail to meet it it's their fault.

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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by onlyfacts: 10:02am On Nov 06, 2020
byrron:


There is nothing democratic about the electoral college system where your vote only chooses those that will now vote on who becomes the president.

Wrong, it isn't. The electoral college works on a state level and its a winner takes all kind of system. Take for example California, it has 55 electoral College votes. If a republican gets the highest number of votes in California, it means the electoral college of California will give all their electoral votes to the Republican presidential candidate which is 55. The Democratic candidate will only take the votes casts for him but nothing from the electoral college.

So in this case above it is still the votes of the people that the electoral college works on.

Overall a presidential candidate can still win the highest number of votes and lose at the electoral college. How is this possible?

There are 52 states in the US, and all this states have different populations and different electoral college votes assigned to them. It's just like Nigeria, we have 36 states but they don't have the same population. Lagos, Kano, rivers etc have higher populations compared to the others, win this state with a great margin and you win the election in Nigeria.

In America the objective is almost similar, win the states with the most electoral college votes by winning majority of the votes in that state. Even if those states are 22 states and combined they have electoral college votes of 270 which is needed to win the presidential election, it is more important than winning remaining 26 states that have electoral college votes combined less than 270.

Now how each states are assigned electoral college votes is fair, so cheating is out of it. Each candidate knows what has to be done to get to 270 before election, and if they fail to meet it it's their fault.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by onlyfacts: 10:04am On Nov 06, 2020
Notatribalist:
So what's the need for everybody to go out and vote?

The electoral college works on a state level and its a winner takes all kind of system. Take for example California, it has 55 electoral College votes. If a republican gets the highest number of votes in California, it means the electoral college of California will give all their electoral votes to the Republican presidential candidate which is 55. The Democratic candidate will only take the votes casts for him but nothing from the electoral college.

So in this case above it is still the votes of the people that the electoral college works on.

Overall a presidential candidate can still win the highest number of votes and lose at the electoral college. How is this possible?

There are 52 states in the US, and all this states have different populations and different electoral college votes assigned to them. It's just like Nigeria, we have 36 states but they don't have the same population. Lagos, Kano, rivers etc have higher populations compared to the others, win this state with a great margin and you win the election in Nigeria.

In America the objective is almost similar, win the states with the most electoral college votes by winning majority of the votes in that state. Even if those states are 22 states and combined they have electoral college votes of 270 which is needed to win the presidential election, it is more important than winning remaining 26 states that have electoral college votes combined less than 270.

Now how each states are assigned electoral college votes is fair, so cheating is out of it. Each candidate knows what has to be done to get to 270 before election, and if they fail to meet it it's their fault.

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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Nobody: 10:04am On Nov 06, 2020
shadeyinka:

I haven't justified the application of the American electoral college. I have only justified it's purpose in selection of a leader.

The objective question is:
Is the majority always right?

There is nothing objective about asking if the majority is always right because your idea of objectivity could be subjective.

The will of the people should be respected since that is the core tenets of a democracy.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by mvem(m): 10:04am On Nov 06, 2020
SmartPolician:
Nigeria loves adopting all the Western bullshit

But they should never bring this madness to Nigeria

People must vote to determine their leaders, not some super important personalities that are not up to 600 deciding the fate of 300 million people
this shows you don't understand it at all...no 600 is deciding the fate of America. Pls understand it well
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by onlyfacts: 10:05am On Nov 06, 2020
backnbeta:
Not good for the people undecided

Wrong, it isn't. The electoral college works on a state level and its a winner takes all kind of system. Take for example California, it has 55 electoral College votes. If a republican gets the highest number of votes in California, it means the electoral college of California will give all their electoral votes to the Republican presidential candidate which is 55. The Democratic candidate will only take the votes casts for him but nothing from the electoral college.

So in this case above it is still the votes of the people that the electoral college works on.

Overall a presidential candidate can still win the highest number of votes and lose at the electoral college. How is this possible?

There are 52 states in the US, and all this states have different populations and different electoral college votes assigned to them. It's just like Nigeria, we have 36 states but they don't have the same population. Lagos, Kano, rivers etc have higher populations compared to the others, win this state with a great margin and you win the election in Nigeria.

In America the objective is almost similar, win the states with the most electoral college votes by winning majority of the votes in that state. Even if those states are 22 states and combined they have electoral college votes of 270 which is needed to win the presidential election, it is more important than winning remaining 26 states that have electoral college votes combined less than 270.

Now how each states are assigned electoral college votes is fair, so cheating is out of it. Each candidate knows what has to be done to get to 270 before election, and if they fail to meet it it's their fault.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by backbone503(m): 10:07am On Nov 06, 2020
UyaiIncomparabl:


Face your carcass of a country and stop rooting passionately for a country that has no ties with you. cool

If you had the slightest understanding of how powerful and influential the POTUS is or can be, you probably wouldn't have spewed this trash. Trump, for example, has so far pushed policies that have negatively affected Nigeria and many other underdeveloped and developing countries. Nemesis simply has caught up with him.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by SmartPolician: 10:08am On Nov 06, 2020
mvem:
this shows you don't understand it at all...no 600 is deciding the fate of America. Pls understand it well

Ogbeni, go sleep

If you followed the last election, you wouldn't drop this comment
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Notatribalist(m): 10:09am On Nov 06, 2020
onlyfacts:


The electoral college works on a state level and its a winner takes all kind of system. Take for example California, it has 55 electoral College votes. If a republican gets the highest number of votes in California, it means the electoral college of California will give all their electoral votes to the Republican presidential candidate which is 55. The Democratic candidate will only take the votes casts for him but nothing from the electoral college.

So in this case above it is still the votes of the people that the electoral college works on.

Overall a presidential candidate can still win the highest number of votes and lose at the electoral college. How is this possible?

There are 52 states in the US, and all this states have different populations and different electoral college votes assigned to them. It's just like Nigeria, we have 36 states but they don't have the same population. Lagos, Kano, rivers etc have higher populations compared to the others, win this state with a great margin and you win the election in Nigeria.

In America the objective is almost similar, win the states with the most electoral college votes by winning majority of the votes in that state. Even if those states are 22 states and combined they have electoral college votes of 270 which is needed to win the presidential election, it is more important than winning remaining 26 states that have electoral college votes combined less than 270.

Now how each states are assigned electoral college votes is fair, so cheating is out of it. Each candidate knows what has to be done to get to 270 before election, and if they fail to meet it it's their fault.
Thank you
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by agabusta: 10:10am On Nov 06, 2020
Sunisonflex39:
Is it only me that thinks that this electoral college setting is easy vote buying.. A president can walk up to a governor or so and pay him so and so dollars to vote for him.. At least this one will be easier than going over to the citizens to share tradermoni farmermoni feedingmoni and all sort of nonsense moni we have here in Nigeria..

You obviously did not read the article. It is not the governors that tell the electors who to vote for. It is whoever wins the majority vote for that state they'll vote for. Except in the case of two states.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by UyaiIncomparabl(f): 10:10am On Nov 06, 2020
backbone503:


If you had the slightest understanding of how powerful and influential the POTUS is or can be, you probably wouldn't have spewed this trash. Trump, for example, has so far pushed policies that have negatively affected Nigeria and many other underdeveloped and developing countries. Nemesis simply has caught up with him.

And what makes you think that Biden winning the election will even change things that Trump couldn't or marred?
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by agabusta: 10:11am On Nov 06, 2020
leicestercamper:
Useless explanation from a Nigerian local champion- Maria Ude.

Electoral college is a form of allocation of numbers backed by the constitution to each state in America usually determined by the resident state population. Some states have 3, 4, 10, 20, 30, etc. depending on the residency population.

Like California has the highest electoral votes, followed by Texas. Politically, some states are more important to political parties than others.

For instance, Wyoming, DC, Delaware, North & South Carolina have the least electoral votes, so politically speaking an American politician gives more attention to California, Texas and other states with high electoral votes, than states with least electoral votes.

See the way the electoral votes are classified.

Why are you calling the OP, a local champion. Where's the difference in the info you shared??

Una too like oversabi

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Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Nobody: 10:11am On Nov 06, 2020
onlyfacts:


Wrong, it isn't. The electoral college works on a state level and its a winner takes all kind of system. Take for example California, it has 55 electoral College votes. If a republican gets the highest number of votes in California, it means the electoral college of California will give all their electoral votes to the Republican presidential candidate which is 55. The Democratic candidate will only take the votes casts for him but nothing from the electoral college.

So in this case above it is still the votes of the people that the electoral college works on.

Overall a presidential candidate can still win the highest number of votes and lose at the electoral college. How is this possible?

There are 52 states in the US, and all this states have different populations and different electoral college votes assigned to them. It's just like Nigeria, we have 36 states but they don't have the same population. Lagos, Kano, rivers etc have higher populations compared to the others, win this state with a great margin and you win the election in Nigeria.

In America the objective is almost similar, win the states with the most electoral college votes by winning majority of the votes in that state. Even if those states are 22 states and combined they have electoral college votes of 270 which is needed to win the presidential election, it is more important than winning remaining 26 states that have electoral college votes combined less than 270.

Now how each states are assigned electoral college votes is fair, so cheating is out of it. Each candidate knows what has to be done to get to 270 before election, and if they fail to meet it it's their fault.

For your information, I voted in this election and know more than enough about the electoral college and how it works here which is why I have been up all night just waiting to get the final results from Philadelphia so I can be rest assured that this divider in chief won't be in the WH come January 3 2021 but that still doesn't erase the fact the electoral college system is now primitive and the calls for it to be abolished here is getting louder.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by agabusta: 10:13am On Nov 06, 2020
ventuek:
This is a case of minority deciding for majority....I wonder what led to such system.

The majority will still decide. Since the places with high population usually have higher electoral college votes.

What it does is just to reduce to a small extent the weight of the places with higher population and seeks to give a spread.

There is also an attempt to give a spread in Nigeria's presidential electoral system with the 1/4 votes in 2/3rd states.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by pek(m): 10:14am On Nov 06, 2020
wunmi590:




Trump condemned mail voting, and all sought, forgetting that was part of what made him won win his first election .

Re: United States Electoral College Explained by onlyfacts: 10:15am On Nov 06, 2020
byrron:


For your information, I voted in this election and know more than enough about the electoral college and how it works here which is why I have been up all night just waiting to get the final results from Philadelphia so I can be rest assured that this divider in chief won't be in the WH come January 3 2021 but that still doesn't erase the fact the electoral college system is now primitive and the calls for it to be abolished here is getting louder.


Please justify your thoughts with proofs. What are wrong with it and how do you propose it be fixed
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Excelinpages(m): 10:16am On Nov 06, 2020
I just got more confused.

Thanks for sharing though
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by agabusta: 10:19am On Nov 06, 2020
Coldie:
Nigeria needs to copy this system.

With electoral college if u like have a population of 10m your state voting power is almost same with a state with a population of 3million

No sir. Read again to understand.

States with high population will still have higher electoral college. Though their influence will reduce a bit.

For example, if we are to use this system in Nigeria, Kano will have 27 electors while Ebonyi will have 9 electors.

It would make the elections too tensed at the states. As the person who wins a state will take all the electors for that state.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Cholls(m): 10:20am On Nov 06, 2020
byrron:


All northern states will have a minimum of 50 electoral college members while the other regions will have 10, 15 and 18 electoral college member's which will give the northern states the ability to decide who becomes the president of Nigeria.

The electoral college is an undemocratic antiquated system were the votes of the people doesn’t elect the president but choses those that goes on to elect the president.

Just imagine what quota system has done to Nigeria then imagine what having an electoral college will be like in Nigeria.[/i]
my brother olodo ni e o. There are more illetrate in the North than South. So, it's South that the college system of voting favor.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Adakintroy: 10:21am On Nov 06, 2020
No wonder Socrates hate democracy. Curse majority can be clueless.

Imagine the majority of people picking Buhari.

Seriously imagine it.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Tareq1105: 10:23am On Nov 06, 2020
INSTANTCASH345:
Thanks Mrs Maria Ude, but I already knew this long time ago. I am no kid and I studied govt in college.

All I wanted to hear from you is how can a democratically elected govt try to truncate another electoral process just as a result of a massive in-mailed votes coming in after the election day which he himself had asked his supporters not to use.

Tell us how long the process will b suspended! I have been checking google for the past 1 day now and everything remains stagnant.

Up to the Americans here on NL to answer,thanks.


I think this in-mailed votes is dangerous to American democracy.

I remember it was not used when Obama was elected in 2008. We all watched it live.

Obama was declared winner around 3.30 am (Nigeria) and he addressed Americans and the world before some people woke up in the morning in Nigeria.

Now, today is the 4th day and they're still counting.

American should avoid anything that might bring her electoral system into disrepute.

Also, Trump should respect the wishes of Americans.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by mollymotion(m): 10:24am On Nov 06, 2020
INSTANTCASH345:
Thanks Mrs Maria Ude, but I already knew this long time ago. I am no kid and I studied govt in college.

All I wanted to hear from you is how can a democratically elected govt try to truncate another electoral process just as a result of a massive in-mailed votes coming in after the election day which he himself had asked his supporters not to use.

Tell us how long the process will b suspended! I have been checking google for the past 1 day now and everything remains stagnant.

Up to the Americans here on NL to answer,thanks.

check now they have more updates.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by Cholls(m): 10:24am On Nov 06, 2020
agabusta:


No sir. Read again to understand.

States with high population will still have higher electoral college. Though their influence will reduce a bit.

For example, if we are to use this system in Nigeria, Kano will have 27 electors while Ebonyi will have 9 electors.

It would make the elections too tensed at the states. As the person who wins a state will take all the electors for that state.
agabusta:


No sir. Read again to understand.

States with high population will still have higher electoral college. Though their influence will reduce a bit.

For example, if we are to use this system in Nigeria, Kano will have 27 electors while Ebonyi will have 9 electors.

It would make the elections too tensed at the states. As the person who wins a state will take all the electors for that state.
agabusta:


No sir. Read again to understand.

States with high population will still have higher electoral college. Though their influence will reduce a bit.

For example, if we are to use this system in Nigeria, Kano will have 27 electors while Ebonyi will have 9 electors.

It would make the elections too tensed at the states. As the person who wins a state will take all the electors for that state.
my brother this is not true. It's like you don't know how College system of voting work.
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by heysquare(m): 10:25am On Nov 06, 2020
Sunisonflex39:
Is it only me that thinks that this electoral college setting is easy vote buying.. A president can walk up to a governor or so and pay him so and so dollars to vote for him.. At least this one will be easier than going over to the citizens to share tradermoni farmermoni feedingmoni and all sort of nonsense moni we have here in Nigeria..
It doesn't work that way if you really understand how electoral college works. The candidate that has the highest popular votes would got all votes of electoral college of that state. So no vote buying possibility in this case
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by ityP(m): 10:26am On Nov 06, 2020
ebenezer202l:
either you're a democrat satanist or an Islamic terrorist


Another hypocritical Nigerian. For your mind, Trump is more of a Christian than Biden because he snap picture with Bible. You don forget say racism, devaluation of women, untrained tongue have no place in Christianity; things that characterizes Trump. You're probably racist like him
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by agabusta: 10:26am On Nov 06, 2020
yahmohy27:

I learned he might go to jail for tax evasion.
But now he's still enjoying immunity

Are you sure the US president has immunity from criminal prosecution?
Re: United States Electoral College Explained by agabusta: 10:28am On Nov 06, 2020
Cholls:
my brother this is not true. It's like you don't know how College system of voting work.

I know sir. But you obviously don't know. Read this my previous comment on the matter for more enlightenment.

agabusta:


The US Presidential election is by what 'they' call an Electoral College and not solely through the popular votes.

Each state has electors which is arrived at by adding the number of their Representatives in the Senate and the House of Rep. An exception is their capital DC, which has 3 electors. The total number of electors is 538.

Now ideally, the popular winner of a state takes all the electors for that state except for two states which has a separate rule. A number of posts on this thread already mentioned that.

The formal process where the 538 electors cast their votes takes place next month.

But irrespective of that, if the popular winner of the different states are known/declared, it is easy to deduce the overall winner of the electoral college, even though they are yet to formally cast their vote since electors in 48 states (out of 50) are to vote for the winner of their states

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