kendrick9:

Messi would absolutely score 30+ plus in the Epl if he's at a team like City or present day Pool...
At the end of the day Messi and Ronaldo have been really blessed to have played in stacked teams for most of their Careers..
La Liga was basically a two team league with barca and madrid having the two best squads during Messi and Ronaldo's peak years...
Why won't they amass those stats playing when you have xavi, iniesta, Kroos, Alonso etc behind then

which good teams don't have world class midfielders in their squad. Real Madrid is called galaticos for a reason because of their ability to field world class players and midfielders.. But why didn't strikers and attackers score as much goals as messi and Ronaldo.

Xavi, iniesta and Alonso are all Spanish and world class midfielders... How many goals did Torres or villa score as the striker in the national team.

afrodoc2:


So because he feeds the poor he should live in face me i face you? Or you want him to use all his money to feed the poor so he can join the poor?

Well, I did not say so. I was only bringing out the point of context and media narrative. I never sided with daily mail.

odizeey:

Well, I did not say so. I was only bringing out the point of context and media narrative. I never sided with daily mail.

Cool. No shaking.

Expert17:


To show you how Messi struggle against EPL teams

So Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Man Utd, Tottenham and Liverpool are the ONLY teams in the EPL?

And how does posting Messi vs Ronaldo stats offer any explanation akin to what you claimed?

odizeey:


You have no point and can't prove he will score above 30 season in season out.

You think it's about the player alone?

Let him go and win world cup and Copa America na.

Playing with an EPL team is different from play against EPL teams from a different league and different conditions.

Many EPL teams presently are stacked with good players. Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester city and even Tottenham, put prime Messi in any of them and he will score 40 goals a season consistently...

Someone has scored 26 goals against your best teams and you think he will struggle against Sheffield United and co?? Be logical for once abeg

kendrick9:
Then why bringing your useless stats when you knew Diego wasn't a striker but a no 10?

Messi has been the playmaker for this Barca team, he has in fact won the award for best playmaker four times, a record he jointly holds with Xavi... and at the same time he has been the best goalscorer in the world, winning thr golden boot multiple times.

That's what Messi does that Maradona could never do in his career

Leyqute:


Agreed. Definitely. Kane, Salah did it, why won’t Messi?

But I think the more important, relevant question is: “will Messi score 30+ EPL goals every season”?

Of all players who have scored 30 goals in an EPL season, they suddenly seem to hit a dry spell the next season. Kane has been the only outstanding EPL scorer of recent TBH, and he doesn’t score 30 each season. Auba, Salah are just trying.

check precedents. Salah has never reached the 32 goal height before that magical season and probably won't do that again.

Messi scoring 30+ more than once is a norm for him. The way salah can't reach 32 goal a season is same way messi can't reach 91 goals a calendar year. That's like the height a certain player can attain.

But you see 30+ goals, na norm for peak messi. And I don't mean he'll score it once, but more than once.

You guys seem to forget how messi and Ronaldo raised the bar for goal scoring in a season.

odizeey:


I gave him two 30+

You know this thing but you no won gree

randomperson:


Many EPL teams presently are stacked with good players. Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester city and even Tottenham, put prime Messi in any of them and he will score 40 goals a season consistently...

Someone has scored 26 goals against your best teams and you think he will struggle against Sheffield United and co?? Be logical for once abeg

The thing you don't get is odds. There is a reason betting companies put odds.

Was prime Messi playing alone? Was the prime Messi not in the Argentine team when Chille won them back to back?

League is different from cup games. EPL is not favourable. The odds are much.

odizeey:

Which one is that free scoring EPL team? My point is not about the trophy. But replicating those goals that brought the trophies in an international stage.

You feel it's about the player. And I'm not even talking about who is goat or chicken.

There are factors that bring disadvantages to EPL players and coaches like Guardiola and Mourinho have talked about them.

Well. I rest my case.

what I mean by free scoring team was e.g, your team of Ferguson days, man city team and all.

Not team like Chelsea mou or small teams.

Every great players need big teams to shine consistently.

Well... It's no p sha.
Let's disagree to agree as you opined

afrodoc2:


Cool. No shaking.

BlueAngel444:
love this point

We are talking about the same Messi that complains about the recruitment of top class players because they can't plate Messi-ball

A player that walked out on Argentina because he feels he is bigger than them.

May I hear say Messi no frustrate for EPL

When he plays like FA, EFL, UCL, EPL even if he doesn't get tired, when half of his team mates are tired, Messi will frustrate.

Where will he find tiki taka, does Pep play that anymore.

In la liga you will still find teams that want to play ball. In EPL na EPL money does club dey think about. Highest Messi would have would be 3 good season and one off one or two self, be it injuries of prolonged fatigued.

Messi is being coach by an ex EPL manager he is barely hitting the target let's not mention scoring. The moment Barca plays like an EPL team small, you see Messi goes misses.

Messi will do well but not that well.

Valverde was tiki-taka abi?

Some people's football knowledge is seriously questionable.

When messi was doing the sextuple you know how many matches he played? Messi that had to be travelling to South America to play in harsh altitudes and then go back to Spain and continue scoring??

Silva, Mata, Fabregas, Henry, Van Nistelrooy, Hleb, Song, all had more success playing in EPL than they had in La liga.

Pele, Maradona, R9, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Cruyff never even played in EPL but they are the football greats

This agenda that Messi would not have performed in England is just foolish to say the least

Jodera:
what I mean by free scoring team was e.g, your team of Ferguson days, man city team and all.

Not team like Chelsea mou or small teams.

Every great players need big teams to shine consistently.

Well... It's no p sha.
Let's disagree to agree as you opined

Yes boss. We would never know.

odizeey:


The thing you don't get is odds. There is a reason betting companies put odds.

Was prime Messi playing alone? Was the prime Messi not in the Argentine team when Chille won them back to back?

League is different from cup games. EPL is not favourable. The odds are much.

Lol... baseless excuses.

He destroyed your best teams but he will struggle against your crap teams? Where is your logic in all this?

Which of your EPL teams has been as good as real madrid that was constantly destroyed by messi.

odizeey:


The thing you don't get is odds. There is a reason betting companies put odds.

Was prime Messi playing alone? Was the prime Messi not in the Argentine team when Chille won them back to back?

League is different from cup games. EPL is not favourable. The odds are much.

you seem to forget Chile won them back to back in FINALS.

And all sef was pks if I'm not mistaken

Jodera:
check precedents. Salah has never reached the 32 goal height before that magical season and probably won't do that again.

Messi scoring 30+ more than once is a norm for him. The way salah can't reach 32 goal a season is same way messi can't reach 91 goals a calendar year. That's like the height a certain player can attain.

But you see 30+ goals, na norm for peak messi. And I don't mean he'll score it once, but more than once.

You guys seem to forget how messi and Ronaldo raised the bar for goal scoring in a season.

Nice points. But is 30+ EPL goals the same as 30+ La Liga goals?

odizeey:

Which one is that free scoring EPL team? My point is not about the trophy. But replicating those goals that brought the trophies in an international stage.

You feel it's about the player. And I'm not even talking about who is goat or chicken.

There are factors that bring disadvantages to EPL players and coaches like Guardiola and Mourinho have talked about them.

Well. I rest my case.

Messi would be coming from a superior league. So he wouldn't have any problem

Expert17:


Fvcking Coke legend


Imagine Messi taking coke join the talent wey dey him body...

And you claiming ignorance or what?
Maradona wasn't taking coke in his peak years and once more Cocaine doesn't enhance ability rather it reduces your ability to preform...
you should know this as someone who went to school and i suspect educated.
Anyone who thinks taking Cocaine propels you to peak in sports is an illiterate..
how is that even possible

Leyqute:


Nice points. But is 30+ EPL goals the same as 30+ La Liga goals?

No. Because la liga is the better league

Jodera:
you seem to forget Chile won them back to back in FINALS.

And all sef was pks if I'm not mistaken

Where was that one goal he would have brought out of his multitude of goals?

Why did it not come out those times? Against Chile and Germany.

I'm just trying to tell you that you don't determine your environment. Your environment determine how you'll turn out to be. The best you can do is to leave.

When I look back, as someone who once loved Ronaldo, I'll say he made the right choice.

Leyqute:


Nice points. But is 30+ EPL goals the same as 30+ La Liga goals?

na why I talk 30goals for EPL...
Messi at his peak deh score 40+ for la liga ooo

randomperson:


Lol... baseless excuses.

He destroyed your best teams but he will struggle against your crap teams? Where is your logic in all this?

Which of your EPL teams has been as good as real madrid that was constantly destroyed by messi.

I hear you sir. He destroyed us.

odizeey:


These are the things. We think EPL talents are not worthy of Ballon d'Or?

The conditions are not very favourable and coaches have complained about it. And that's just one.

What about the tiki taka system?

Woo. I rest my case.

Which nonsense case are you resting?

Epl talents don't win the ballon d'or often because they are not as good as their counterparts in La liga. Of all the GOAT candidates in recent times, only CR7 and perhaps Henry have played in the premier league. And even them, they moved to the superior league at last.

Zidane, R9, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldinho have all played in la liga

Leyqute:


Nice points. But is 30+ EPL goals the same as 30+ La Liga goals?

Nice question.

randomperson:


Messi has been the playmaker for this Barca team, he has in fact won the award for best playmaker four times, a record he jointly holds with Xavi... and at the same time he has been the best goalscorer in the world, winning thr golden boot multiple times.

That's what Messi does that Maradona could never do in his career

Messi wouldn't survive the kind of tackles mardona faced...
These days just a simple duel with Messi, the referee calls it.
Maradona was literally assualted on the pitch, he rode tackles like a mo'fucker.
Go and watch the 'butcher of bilbao' and tell me with a straight face if Messi would have survived that..
That's the Calibre of things Diego faced and he still came out tops.
Messi and co are lucky they get to play the likes of elche, eibar,huesca week in week out?
why won't they pad their stats

kendrick9:
And you claiming ignorance or what?
Maradona wasn't taking coke in his peak years and once more Cocaine doesn't enhance ability rather it reduces your ability to preform...
you should know this as someone who went to school and i suspect educated.
Anyone who thinks taking Cocaine propels you to peak in sports is an illiterate..
how is that even possible

He was involved in all kind of drugs.

Drugs reduces your ability to perform....ok Mr lecturer

That's why you get fined/ban when caught.

randomperson:


Which nonsense case are you resting?

Epl talents don't win the ballon d'or often because they are not as good as their counterparts in La liga. Of all the GOAT candidates in recent times, only CR7 and perhaps Henry have played in the premier league. And even them, they moved to the superior league at last.

Zidane, R9, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldinho have all played in la liga

No be fight na. Make I no rest this case again. Okay. I'll continue later. Make I go gather points.

Expert17:

He was involved in all kind of drugs.
Drugs reduces your ability to perform....ok Mr lecturer
That's why you get fined/ban when caught.

Can you read at all? I specifically said Cocaine which Diego was caught with

odizeey:

Where was that one goal he would have brought out of his multitude of goals?

Why did it not come out those times? Against Chile and Germany.

I'm just trying to tell you that you don't determine your environment. Your environment determine how you'll turn out to be. The best you can do is to leave.

When I look back, as someone who once loved Ronaldo, I'll say he made the right choice.

Lol... He might not have one goal in that match, but that doesn't mean he didn't score Chile in friendly or qualifiers.

Now like I said, it's not about how important the goals scored or not, but does he score goals.

Scoring goals for trophy winning is another point entirely.

But consistently, does he score goals... I'll say yes he does

Melvyn11:

Sit back and relax

* 4 finals for Argentina
* 0 goals 0 assists

*Went Back to back competition with Argentina scoring 0 goals

* 0 knockout stage goals for Argentina in the world cup

* Went to straight 4 competition with Argentina scoring 0 goals in the knock out stages

*0 trophy as well.


Messi is an Argentine flop.

Messi is a big ass Fraud. 2nd biggest system player after Xavi.

E be like say Ferguson sef dey join Ole read this thread.
Or what am I seeing on front page.

kendrick9:
Messi wouldn't survive the kind of tackles mardona faced...
These days just a simple duel with Messi, the referee calls it.
Maradona was literally assualted on the pitch, he rode tackles like a mo'fucker.
Go and watch the 'butcher of bilbao' and tell me with a straight face if Messi would have survived that..
That's the Calibre of things Diego faced and he still came out tops.
Messi and co are lucky they get to play the likes of elche, eibar,huesca week in week out?
why won't they pad their stats

Messi would have survived the tackles. Messi started his football in South America where they play football like thugs... he has also faced Ramos, Pepe and the entire Atletico Madrid defence multiple times

Besides, one of Messi's greatest abilities is the ability to ride tackles

Btw, Maradona played in the 80s and 90s when football rules were already somewhat developed. I can as well say that Maradona would not have survived what Pele survived in the 70s, therefore Pele is greater